things that scare away new players

[Polyphem]

<p>I just returned after a long break from EQ 2. I have never gotten very far with my character then (a warlock), so I decided to start over as a necro with a friend who chose a coercer (he has never played EQ 2 before).</p><p>We duoed and quested a bit in the Neriak area up to lvl 14 was quite fun, I like the new Neriak area a lot.</p><p>But then we bumped into some problems:</p><p>- Grouping: we tried to find a few people to group with. problem: there aren't any willing to group. zero, nada, nothing. Soloing/Duoing is fine but this is supposed to be a massive multiplayer game, isnt it ?</p><p>- Prices: We tried to upgrade a bit of our equipment and searched the broker. The prices for T2 and T3 equipment are a joke, if they are available at all. Don't get me, wrong, I'm not talking about master spells oder legendary armor, just the standard suff. I've seen T2 apprentice IV spells for 2 or 3 gold. Adept I 10g+. Which new player is supposed to spend 10g or more for a simple T2 adept I spell ?</p><p>I know we could craft, thing is, we aren't interested in crafting at all. We have a limited amount of time to spend with a game, and crafting is just another timesink ...</p><p>Questing: We both like questing. I even take my time to read the quest descriptions to get the story behind it. Thing is, the quest rewards rewards are rubbish, the items you get for quests of your level or slighly higher aren't worth the effort. Sure you get AA experience, but that's it.</p><p>My mate is already thinking about leaving the game again, although he likes his coercer and I can understand him ... </p><p>Any suggestions ? Most guilds don't seem to be interested in new (low level) players, just rushing from one instanced zone to the next, and i f they don't, they have no low level chars to group with, so what's the point in joining a guild ?</p><p>This isn't meant to be a whining thread, just showing some problems new players  have.</p>

[Mattax]

<p>OK, I'll try and be constructive.</p><p>The grouping issue: Where have you been looking to group? asking in level channels? /ooc channel. Are you playing on a server that is not compatable with your playing hours?</p><p>Often "23 wizard LFG" will not get you in a group.</p><p>Perhaps try "23 wizard looking to start or join a group to explore Stormhold for questing and XP".....may yield more sucess.</p><p>Prices: I have no sympathy on this. If you are not prepared to work for your gear..(craft)....than tough.</p><p>There are many different ways to make cash in this game without crafting. My wife who started to play 2 weeks ago (with assisance from me ) made 30 gold on her first day. It's called experience, so just because you haven't learned certain skills does not make the pricing system as you refer to it "a joke"</p><p>Quested gear: Is often poor. It's poor for a reason. If it was fantastic no-one would craft. There is some nice stuff out there so go do some research, find out which quests give nice gear and work on them. If the reward is pants....don't do it...easy.</p><p>There are plenty of guilds on the server I play on that have open policy to new recruits, but if you are looking for a free meal ticket they will pick up on it.</p><p>EQ2 is a complex game, I've been playing over 2 years and still learn new stuff nearly every time I log in. Don't expect to master this game in a few days.</p><p>There are answers to all your problems, you simply have to work them out .</p><p>Good luck. After all the rewards are often proportional to the effort to attain them</p>

[Wy]

That's odd... the prices on the market I can 'kinda' understand (but at level 17, I'm buying level 20 gear already, so maybe not. But in terms of skills, I'm not sure, haven't checked adept skills yet.), but questing? My girlfriend was complaining just earlier today about how quested stuff from ridiculously early in the game was still better than half of the crafted stuff and even later quest rewards we came across.

[Lithran]

<cite>Polyphem wrote:</cite><blockquote>- Grouping: we tried to find a few people to group with. problem: there aren't any willing to group. zero, nada, nothing. Soloing/Duoing is fine but this is supposed to be a massive multiplayer game, isnt it ? <span style="color: #ffff00"> <span style="color: #ccff00">Grouping at lower levels is harder yes. But once you hit level 20 and are in the Tier 3 zones (that would be Steppes or Nektulos Forest zones) it's much easier. Hang in there ;></span></span> <p>- Prices: We tried to upgrade a bit of our equipment and searched the broker. The prices for T2 and T3 equipment are a joke, if they are available at all. Don't get me, wrong, I'm not talking about master spells oder legendary armor, just the standard suff. I've seen T2 apprentice IV spells for 2 or 3 gold. Adept I 10g+. Which new player is supposed to spend 10g or more for a simple T2 adept I spell ?</p><p><span style="color: #ccff00">Price of items yes are high, especialy when your starting out. But the economy is better then some games I have played (Try playing EVE and buying a ship). Best thing I can say is sell everything you get, and also harvest. Harvest items you get good money. Collect all the shinny ? you can find and sell them. Now some of those pay AMAZING cash.</span> </p><p>I know we could craft, thing is, we aren't interested in crafting at all. We have a limited amount of time to spend with a game, and crafting is just another timesink ...</p> <span style="color: #ccff00">Crafting is a big time sink. Unless your playing a lot and have free time. Stay away from it :></span> <p>Questing: We both like questing. I even take my time to read the quest descriptions to get the story behind it. Thing is, the quest rewards rewards are rubbish, the items you get for quests of your level or slighly higher aren't worth the effort. Sure you get AA experience, but that's it.</p><p><span style="color: #ccff00">Yes, some items are crap, but some are not. But it's a 50/50 thing. </span> </p><p>My mate is already thinking about leaving the game again, although he likes his coercer and I can understand him ... </p><p>Any suggestions ? Most guilds don't seem to be interested in new (low level) players, just rushing from one instanced zone to the next, and i f they don't, they have no low level chars to group with, so what's the point in joining a guild ?</p><p>This isn't meant to be a whining thread, just showing some problems new players  have.</p><span style="color: #ccff00"> </span><p><span style="color: #ccff00">I remember when I first played, my character had no cash. No way of getting cash. Now, I am playing this new character who is an Alt and yes, I do have cash. I stuck it out. And also look for a good guild. Some guilds are family type guilds and they take on lower levels and help them out. Don't look for a guild by someone yelling in game. Look at the server forums here and see what guilds are recruiting or even post that your looking for a decent family type guild for a new player. You will be amazed at how many folks are willing to help folks out who are just starting out.</span> </p></blockquote>

[Melod]

<p>There have been a few good answers already so I won't go into too much detail on them.  So for grouping you do need to wait it out to the early 20's where grouping starts.  You might find some earlier groups but most people enjoy the places to group in the 20's more so they rush to that level.  </p><p>You seem to think all guilds don't want new players because you are in a guild like that?  There are lots of guilds that not only accept but want low level players.</p><p>Prices on the broker are just numbers.  You will have to participate in the economy to be able to buy things there.  Sell what you cannot use on the broker.</p><p>I love crafting and have several crafters so my characters usually have great gear as soon as they can use it.  It put lots of time and love into my crafters so this is a privelage I worked for.</p><p>Questing is something you either love or hate.  There are quests that give good rewards and those are the ones that I do the most.  They often take groups and some effort though.  Check out eq2i.com.</p><p>I think the bug summary is that in this game you will get back what you put into it.  You will not be lead around by the nose and may have to put in some legwork and research.</p>

[Deyaneyra]

Low level named mobs also be able to drop some nice gear, adepts or better spells. Maybe try and move to Freeport, there are great spots to kill nameds as The Sprawl, Sunken City, The Graveyard. Also some nameds to find in the Thieve's Way. If you find gear / spells there you don't need sell that and buy stuff for you. On guilds - as already said - there are some that concentrate on high level raids so they won't have much time for low levels or won't even recruit you. Not only such guilds out there, maybe try and post on your server forums, explain what exactly you are looking for. As mentoring isn't much of a problem, also high level players can group with you. Don't give up if you enjoy this game so far, it can and will go better. People around are usually helpful, there just can be times when no one wants to group. My lower level alts I also prefer to play solo to get a better feeling for them, or group with guildmates / friends. Good luck!

[Polyphem]

Melodin@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote><p>Prices on the broker are just numbers.  You will have to participate in the economy to be able to buy things there.  Sell what you cannot use on the broker.</p><p>I love crafting and have several crafters so my characters usually have great gear as soon as they can use it.  It put lots of time and love into my crafters so this is a privelage I worked for.</p></blockquote><p>We don't mind to have mediocre equipment. It's ok. that alts of lvl 70 players have better (much better equipment) than we have. I understand that crafters have better equipment than we have, they invest more time in their characters than we have. </p><p>But not even be able to buy app IV versions of our spells is absurd (T 7 app 4 / adept 1 spells seem to be just as expensive as T 2 stuff on our server). It's probably because almost all low levels are twinks, don't know.</p>

[Rokaab]

<cite>Polyphem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>We don't mind to have mediocre equipment. It's ok. that alts of lvl 70 players have better (much better equipment) than we have. I understand that crafters have better equipment than we have, they invest more time in their characters than we have. </p><p>But not even be able to buy app IV versions of our spells is absurd (T 7 app 4 / adept 1 spells seem to be just as expensive as T 2 stuff on our server). It's probably because almost all low levels are twinks, don't know.</p></blockquote>Remember one thing, you can sell any adept 1's you manage to loot on the broker, and you will be able to sell them about the same price as the ones you want to buy - so although they seem expensive - you can make it up from stuff you sell.

[Deyaneyra]

There are tons of new players starting all the time, not only twinked alts - and not all the high levels are trying to twink <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Another possibility to get some nice gear / adept 3 spells is to harvest around and look for the rares you need, and let a crafter make it for you. Not sure on other servers, but Butcherblock has a thread on its forum where crafters offer their skills to other players. Also ingame there are people LFW. Or if you are in a guild, some of the players there will have crafters willing to help out.

[Melod]

<cite>Polyphem wrote:</cite><blockquote>Melodin@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote><p>Prices on the broker are just numbers.  You will have to participate in the economy to be able to buy things there.  Sell what you cannot use on the broker.</p><p>I love crafting and have several crafters so my characters usually have great gear as soon as they can use it.  It put lots of time and love into my crafters so this is a privelage I worked for.</p></blockquote><p>We don't mind to have mediocre equipment. It's ok. that alts of lvl 70 players have better (much better equipment) than we have. I understand that crafters have better equipment than we have, they invest more time in their characters than we have. </p><p>But not even be able to buy app IV versions of our spells is absurd (T 7 app 4 / adept 1 spells seem to be just as expensive as T 2 stuff on our server). It's probably because almost all low levels are twinks, don't know.</p></blockquote><p>As I mentioned the prices on the broker are just numbers.  Those Adept 1's that drop for you that you cannot use they are worth like 5 silver to a vendor.  Sell those on the broker and you will get several gold.  All treasured items that you cannot use will also get you several gold each.  You will be forced to pay X for an item, but you can also sell a like item for X.</p><p>When I start new characters I never give them any money and force them to fend for themselves.  I actually find the lower levels most profitable and usually have several plat before I hit 20 just selling treasured junk on the broker. </p>

[Polyphem]

Melodin@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote><cite>Polyphem wrote:</cite><blockquote>Melodin@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote><p>Prices on the broker are just numbers.  You will have to participate in the economy to be able to buy things there.  Sell what you cannot use on the broker.</p><p>I love crafting and have several crafters so my characters usually have great gear as soon as they can use it.  It put lots of time and love into my crafters so this is a privelage I worked for.</p></blockquote><p>We don't mind to have mediocre equipment. It's ok. that alts of lvl 70 players have better (much better equipment) than we have. I understand that crafters have better equipment than we have, they invest more time in their characters than we have. </p><p>But not even be able to buy app IV versions of our spells is absurd (T 7 app 4 / adept 1 spells seem to be just as expensive as T 2 stuff on our server). It's probably because almost all low levels are twinks, don't know.</p></blockquote><p>As I mentioned the prices on the broker are just numbers.  Those Adept 1's that drop for you that you cannot use they are worth like 5 silver to a vendor.  Sell those on the broker and you will get several gold.  All treasured items that you cannot use will also get you several gold each.  You will be forced to pay X for an item, but you can also sell a like item for X.</p><p>When I start new characters I never give them any money and force them to fend for themselves.  I actually find the lower levels most profitable and usually have several plat before I hit 20 just selling treasured junk on the broker. </p></blockquote><p>Maybe I was just unlucky so far then. I have found 3 Adepts so far (2 bruiser and 1 berserker). None sold so far. Maybe I just have to be a bit more patient.</p><p>We will tyr to harvest a bit more for rares, maybe that helps. </p>

[Deyaneyra]

Hey Poly just noticed - you live in Germany! Nice to see neighbours in game, I am from Austria <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. So do you play on a german or european server?

[Aurumn]

As a tip for selling on the broker, I get most of my sales on the weekends (fri-sun) when most people are playing more. Try to toss as much treasured stuff on the broker before Friday night and by the end of the weekend you should have a respectable chunk of change. One of my toons made 30 gold in one Saturday night selling treasured items and adept 1's! Granted, I got a little lucky that night. Apparently a transmuter liked my prices <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Just remember to logon to your broker toon once a day to keep your stuff up for sale.

[Polyphem]

Jaidee@Butcherblock wrote: <blockquote>Hey Poly just noticed - you live in Germany! Nice to see neighbours in game, I am from Austria <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. So do you play on a german or european server? </blockquote>Actually I started on Valor, wouldn't mind to switch to another (European) server though.

[Deyaneyra]

<cite>Polyphem wrote:</cite><blockquote>Jaidee@Butcherblock wrote: <blockquote>Hey Poly just noticed - you live in Germany! Nice to see neighbours in game, I am from Austria <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. So do you play on a german or european server? </blockquote>Actually I started on Valor, wouldn't mind to switch to another (European) server though. </blockquote>Still prefer the international feeling on an US server myself - hope you can enjoy this game soon <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Polyphem]

Jaidee@Butcherblock wrote: <blockquote><cite>Polyphem wrote:</cite><blockquote>Jaidee@Butcherblock wrote: <blockquote>Hey Poly just noticed - you live in Germany! Nice to see neighbours in game, I am from Austria <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. So do you play on a german or european server? </blockquote>Actually I started on Valor, wouldn't mind to switch to another (European) server though. </blockquote>Still prefer the international feeling on an US server myself - hope you can enjoy this game soon <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Well my usual play times are about 7 p.m. to 10 p.m (GMT+1), not exactly peak times for U.S. servers.

[Khamul]

<cite>Polyphem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>T3 equipment are a joke, if they are available at all. Don't get me, wrong, I'm not talking about master spells oder legendary armor, just the standard suff. I've seen T2 apprentice IV spells for 2 or 3 gold. Adept I 10g+. Which new player is supposed to spend 10g or more for a simple T2 adept I spell ?</p></blockquote><p>If Adept I's are 10g + on your server, you may want to switch servers before you get too far. I am on Antonia Bale and all the lower level Adept I's sell for 2g40s or less most of the time. </p><p>Also, I haven't bought any crafted gear yet and am level 29 so quests do offer gear that is good enough for most purposes.</p><p>You can craft your own App IV's (and Adept III's) with just a little effort if Adept I's are too expensive. Do the tradeskill quest you get at the beginning and it will take you to level 10 in about 20 minutes. Then getting to 20 will take only a couple of hours at most (not including harvesting). Just make sure to pick the tradeskill that matches your adventure class for spells and combat arts.</p><p>Adventure Profession   Paladin-29 Artisan Profession Jeweler-28</p><p>Adventure Time Played:11 days 17 hours          Tradeskilling Time Played:4 hours 18 minutes </p>

[Finora]

<cite>Polyphem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I just returned after a long break from EQ 2. I have never gotten very far with my character then (a warlock), so I decided to start over as a necro with a friend who chose a coercer (he has never played EQ 2 before).</p><p>We duoed and quested a bit in the Neriak area up to lvl 14 was quite fun, I like the new Neriak area a lot.</p><p>But then we bumped into some problems:</p><p>- Grouping: we tried to find a few people to group with. problem: there aren't any willing to group. zero, nada, nothing. Soloing/Duoing is fine but this is supposed to be a massive multiplayer game, isnt it ?</p><p><b><span style="color: #339900">Most people don't find much need to group before level 20 or so unless they hit a dungeon like Blackburrow or Wailing Caves. Those levels generally go by pretty quickly and most of the quests and such lead you through areas that are mostly solo monsters. After 20 or so you begin to run into more herioc quests and content, and more people will be looking for groups.</span></b></p><p> - Prices: We tried to upgrade a bit of our equipment and searched the broker. The prices for T2 and T3 equipment are a joke, if they are available at all. Don't get me, wrong, I'm not talking about master spells oder legendary armor, just the standard suff. I've seen T2 apprentice IV spells for 2 or 3 gold. Adept I 10g+. Which new player is supposed to spend 10g or more for a simple T2 adept I spell ?</p><p><b><span style="color: #339900">The new players that learn about the broker early and sell all their treasured stuff hehe. Some new players I know already have made more money doing that than I ever had before level 40 or so by the time they were 20. Also if you are having poor luck (sometimes that happens) look for tradeskill folks looking for work. I know many are quite willing to make lower level spells at cost (sometimes even for free if they are feeling generous) IF the person wanting the spell brings them the raw components. And at lower levels there really isn't much difference between an apprentice 4 (playermade) and the adept 1 drops. Good way to get some gear as well.</span></b></p><p>I know we could craft, thing is, we aren't interested in crafting at all. We have a limited amount of time to spend with a game, and crafting is just another timesink ...</p><p>Questing: We both like questing. I even take my time to read the quest descriptions to get the story behind it. Thing is, the quest rewards rewards are rubbish, the items you get for quests of your level or slighly higher aren't worth the effort. Sure you get AA experience, but that's it.</p><p><b><span style="color: #339900">Most of those quest rewards are treasured, many of them (in the older areas) are droppable and also can be sold on the broker. Transmuters love that stuff. And even the no trade ones that you won't use can be sold to the vendor for extra cash. I honestly don't know which city you started out in or what level you are to get such horrible items from quests, but I must say that on most of my new alts (ESPECIALLY those I started in kelethin and neriak) I've used the quest rewards because they were actually quite good. If you run through the city quest lines (they start with the racial mentor's in Freeport and Qeynos) you end up with a set of decent starter gear. Once you get out into Commonlands and Antonica the rewards sometimes are kinda blah (really old quests) but many can still be useful if you aren't a twink.</span></b></p><p>My mate is already thinking about leaving the game again, although he likes his coercer and I can understand him ... </p><p>Any suggestions ? Most guilds don't seem to be interested in new (low level) players, just rushing from one instanced zone to the next, and i f they don't, they have no low level chars to group with, so what's the point in joining a guild ?</p><p><b><span style="color: #339900">As far as guilds go, the guild tool is useless. It pretty much only shows the guilds with the most members who are looking for more (unless they changed it recently) and those guilds will usually be the higher end guilds. Checking on your server forum here might be better. Many times guilds (particularly newer guilds starting out) will make a post there to try to recruit since the guild tool doesn't do much for them if people can't see them.  And once you start seeing the other guilds out there (not just the high end ones you can usually see on the tool) you'll see there are many guilds out there who welcome new lower level players.</span></b></p><p>This isn't meant to be a whining thread, just showing some problems new players  have.</p></blockquote>

[Dyse]

<cite>Polyphem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I just returned after a long break from EQ 2. I have never gotten very far with my character then (a warlock), so I decided to start over as a necro with a friend who chose a coercer (he has never played EQ 2 before).</p><p>We duoed and quested a bit in the Neriak area up to lvl 14 was quite fun, I like the new Neriak area a lot.</p><p>But then we bumped into some problems:</p><p>- Grouping: we tried to find a few people to group with. problem: there aren't any willing to group. zero, nada, nothing. Soloing/Duoing is fine but this is supposed to be a massive multiplayer game, isnt it ?</p><p> <span style="color: #990000"><b>If you go into wailing caves or FG/Stormhold you're more likely to get into larger groups.  For most part, the low level quests and such require 1 to 2 people max.  People rocket through those levels and generaly solo them.</b></span></p><p>- Prices: We tried to upgrade a bit of our equipment and searched the broker. The prices for T2 and T3 equipment are a joke, if they are available at all. Don't get me, wrong, I'm not talking about master spells oder legendary armor, just the standard suff. I've seen T2 apprentice IV spells for 2 or 3 gold. Adept I 10g+. Which new player is supposed to spend 10g or more for a simple T2 adept I spell ?</p><p><b><span style="color: #990000">Prices for T1-T3 can be blamed on Transmuting.  There are still many servers that people are grinding out Transmuting, so your early Adept I's and Treasured and higher armor will be higher than usual.  In T3, I'd suggest doing armor quests unless you can find someone to Mastercraft your armor.</span></b></p><p>I know we could craft, thing is, we aren't interested in crafting at all. We have a limited amount of time to spend with a game, and crafting is just another timesink ...</p><p><b><span style="color: #990000">I've crafted in the past (70 Jeweler/45 Armor/25 Wood) but really, it's not my cup of tea either. Since I have scouts and a bard, the Jeweler was a good way for me to keep their spells up.</span></b></p><p>Questing: We both like questing. I even take my time to read the quest descriptions to get the story behind it. Thing is, the quest rewards rewards are rubbish, the items you get for quests of your level or slighly higher aren't worth the effort. Sure you get AA experience, but that's it.</p><p><b><span style="color: #990000">Making new characters myself, I take them all straight to EoF and do the Quest trees over there.  I rarely hit the mainlands anymore. EoF is more profitable for 1 - 70.  Mainlands and such give about 10% of what EoF zones give.</span></b></p><p>My mate is already thinking about leaving the game again, although he likes his coercer and I can understand him ... </p><p><b><span style="color: #990000">Well, if your friend is an Insta-Gratification / Low patience type person, it's probably wise</span></b></p><p>Any suggestions ? Most guilds don't seem to be interested in new (low level) players, just rushing from one instanced zone to the next, and i f they don't, they have no low level chars to group with, so what's the point in joining a guild ?</p><p>This isn't meant to be a whining thread, just showing some problems new players  have.</p></blockquote>

[lstead]

On grouping, your first real grouping opportunities are around level 20 and they're Wailing Caves (WC) and Fallen Gate (FG) in Commonlands and Stormhold in Antonica (SH). You will frequently find people grouping here. Before then, honestly, once you know what the good quests are, people just burn through these solo. Don't worry, there will be grouping <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> One suggestion on money. Check out the shinies. The collectable things that show up as little shinies are worth quite a bit on the market. It's a way for high level players to "buy xp." On AB Apprentice IVs are pretty cheap. Even at 55th and starting to do a bit of the easier raids, I still have a significant number of App IVs in my repertoire.

[Ruut Li]

<p>If I was a lowbie and played on a server where lowbie ad1:s sell for 10gold+ I'd be jumping of joy. Excellent moneymaking opportunity.</p><p>Btw do you sell the shinies you dont need? The loot from chests and quests? Even if you think they suck they do sell. My lowbies have sold tons of "sucky" loot/gear for several gold/piece.</p><p>You said you started out in neriak and that the quest rewards are rubbish. I think those rewards are quite nice. My lowbie toons have not needed better than that.</p>

[Thormiel]

One other thing to consider is that between levels 1-20 at least, you don't really need to upgrade your skills and spells beyond the Apprentice I, because like others said, levels 1-20 goes by pretty quickly.

[SageGaspar]

The drops in Darklight Woods are actually very good -- the best you'll find in any newbie zone in the game. 1-20 you're not really expected to group much, the two real grouping possibilities are Wailing Caves and Blackburrow (to a lesser extent theres the Caves and Ruins in the cities). Adept I is no longer the gear of choice for the frugal player. Apprentice IV is almost as good and tends to be much cheaper. Sell everything treasured and collectible that you find on the broker and you will have more money than you will need by the time you hit the mid-20s. The first time I would look on the broker to upgrade gear is in the 20+ range.

[Morgane]

<cite>Polyphem wrote:</cite><blockquote>Most guilds don't seem to be interested in new (low level) players, just rushing from one instanced zone to the next, and i f they don't, they have no low level chars to group with, so what's the point in joining a guild ? <p>This isn't meant to be a whining thread, just showing some problems new players  have.</p></blockquote><p> I think a guild is the answer to most of your problems. If you press "U" on your keyboard you can bring up a list of guilds on your server... the icons will tell you which ones are willing to train and group with lower level characters. A smaller guild is probably the best way to go. I joined a guild that was just starting out when I hit my 30's and they have been great. </p><p>The trick is finding a good guild. As with most things in life, it takes a little patience and some trial and error. Stick with it... it's a great game and the right guild will make it even better for you.</p><p>Morg</p>

[StoneySilen]

As to the money issue, I created a brand new Guardian.  I did not twink him even though I could have.  He earned everything he has.  He had earned over 1pp by the time he was lvl 15 by selling shinies, adepts and Treasured on up equipment.  All the while learning Transmuting and Armorsmithing himself (both costly and you will see why below).  He has had enough money to buy Masters for almost every single one of his skills.  He is now lvl 30 Guardian/Armorsmith and approx lvl 23 Transmuter. There is a crafting school called Transmuting.  To learn transmuting you must take low level equipment (Treasured/Legendary/Fabled that is bindable), Adepts 1's or Adept 3's and "Transmute" them into other materials.  This is why low level equipment and spells are so expensive.  Take all that "junk" armor you get from quests and most all of them are Transmutable, sell them on the broker for a few gold. Unfortunately most players who are doing Transmuting have already learned it so selling the stuff is gonna be a bit harder but there is always somebody learning so you will sell it.

[Morgane]

Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>As to the money issue, I created a brand new Guardian.  I did not twink him even though I could have.  He earned everything he has.  He had earned over 1pp by the time he was lvl 15 by selling shinies, adepts and Treasured on up equipment.  All the while learning Transmuting and Armorsmithing himself (both costly and you will see why below).  He has had enough money to buy Masters for almost every single one of his skills.  He is now lvl 30 Guardian/Armorsmith and approx lvl 23 Transmuter. There is a crafting school called Transmuting.  To learn transmuting you must take low level equipment (Treasured/Legendary/Fabled that is bindable), Adepts 1's or Adept 3's and "Transmute" them into other materials.  This is why low level equipment and spells are so expensive.  Take all that "junk" armor you get from quests and most all of them are Transmutable, sell them on the broker for a few gold. Unfortunately most players who are doing Transmuting have already learned it so selling the stuff is gonna be a bit harder but there is always somebody learning so you will sell it. </blockquote><p>Yeah.... true. And harvest, harvest, harvest. It ain't fun, but I spend a few hours per week harvesting and sell the rares on the broker for some serious gold. Things like Raw Coral and Blackened Iron Clusters and such can sell for as much as 30 to 50g on the broker. </p><p>Morg </p>