Witch Root do U find most useful

[Skivley101]

remember we can have 4 with the druid wis line

[Zahrim-Dk]

<p>Nether one, I have always found our roots being a total waste of power. We hardly have enough power to root and shoot something to kill it  and when we do it takes forever. </p><p> Now with my CAs I kill almost twice as fast <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Skivley101]

<cite>Zahrim-Dk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Nether one, I have always found our roots being a total waste of power. We hardly have enough power to root and shoot something to kill it  and when we do it takes forever. </p><p> Now with my CAs I kill almost twice as fast <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote><p> so you never find the Aoe/Deagro useful ? </p><p>And with the second ability on the wis line ... you get another mele attack that acts like your deagro</p><p>I aggree the slow proccess of rooting and debuffing(hex dolls) Is definately not needed some times , or all the time if you just keep to the safe play all the time <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I like to ride the line of death ....cuz thats where you find it really matters</p>

[Skivley101]

Im gona take down those Statues outside of Mistmore ... SolO! ... Maybe with 400+ ordination?

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>Single target, for sure.  Second place is Hierophantic Grasp (2nd in WIS line...and REEEEELY useful for PvP).</p><p>I'm kind of wondering why Warden Roots and root portions of spells (like Sylph) don't work on Epics.  Argueably, roots are Druid defining (/rp on).   I can see not having them work *ALL* the time.  Back when they did, it was pretty overpowered, but 'small percent of chance to..." would be kind of cool.</p>

[Zahrim-Dk]

No I never deaggro, I like to tank and I am fairly good at it.

[Skivley101]

<cite>Zahrim-Dk wrote:</cite><blockquote>No I never deaggro, I like to tank and I am fairly good at it.</blockquote><p>LOL ....roll a zerker</p><p>PS: i did take down that stone Gargoyle ....with the help of my root(390 ordination skill)</p><p>The group encounter is the best root in my opinion ... im thinking of changing my AA pts & take the enhance bracken(witch i have master II) ...then with maybe 400 ordination i will be able to root like the pigs <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Lilj]

I don't have the roots in the wisdom line, so I just have the two from our spells. I use both pretty much equal. Both as root/double root combo or as a control tool when I duo with my partner. So I find both equally useful <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Edit: this is extremely embarrassing, but...if we have two spells roots, and one in the wisdom line, what is the 4th root? (sylph perhaps?). I personally don't count sylph as a root, since it can be cast too seldom to work for me as a root tool, but I wonder if this is the 4th root?

[Skivley101]

<cite>Liljna wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't have the roots in the wisdom line, so I just have the two from our spells. I use both pretty much equal. Both as root/double root combo or as a control tool when I duo with my partner. So I find both equally useful <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Edit: this is extremely embarrassing, but...if we have two spells roots, and one in the wisdom line, what is the 4th root? (sylph perhaps?). I personally don't count sylph as a root, since it can be cast too seldom to work for me as a root tool, but I wonder if this is the 4th root? </blockquote><p> Yes Sylph is the 3rd root i was talking aobut ... the wis line is 4th</p><p>The main 2 (single/group) are the mainstay of warden rooting  ... But when we need the AoE ... becuz of multiple mobs caught our tail , The Aoe is invaluable ....you will have time to root 2 separate encounters if your main 2 are up. (and this is pretty much solo/small group)</p><p>Actually ive just started using my wis line root and found out how useful it is ... plus it has the dispell root effects  ... 77 lvls rank 4 lvl 70</p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

Skivley101 wrote <blockquote><p>Actually ive just started using my wis line root and found out how useful it is ... plus it has the dispell root effects  ... 77 lvls rank 4 lvl 70</p></blockquote>Awesome for PvP  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It's an AoE root and group root dispel - so use it with care in a packed dungeon.  The AoE effect is similar to Sylph.  

[Veedublya]

<p>I am constantly farming Bonemire and ToS and love both the roots, sylph is a great backup if the other 2 break. Wardens are great farmers, sure it takes a little longer than a wizard but If you have the right gear solo'ing with roots does not take forever and wont suck up your power.</p><p>Btw Skiv, your roots are based off of Subjuagtion, not ordination</p>

[Skivley101]

<cite>Veedublya wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I am constantly farming Bonemire and ToS and love both the roots, sylph is a great backup if the other 2 break. Wardens are great farmers, sure it takes a little longer than a wizard but If you have the right gear solo'ing with roots does not take forever and wont suck up your power.</p><p>Btw Skiv, your roots are based off of Subjuagtion, not ordination</p></blockquote><p> you never looked at the skill required for Bracken? it is ordination becuz of the debuff component attatched.</p><p>I thought if it was using two diff skills ....it would say so?</p><p>PS: I find it easier to get my ordination skill higher than subjugation ... and that root definateley works better than the single target...I use it on single targets just as much.</p>

[ganjookie]

<span style="font-family: times new roman,times"><b><span style="font-size: xx-large">Which</span></b></span>

[Lilj]

<cite>Skivley101 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Veedublya wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I am constantly farming Bonemire and ToS and love both the roots, sylph is a great backup if the other 2 break. Wardens are great farmers, sure it takes a little longer than a wizard but If you have the right gear solo'ing with roots does not take forever and wont suck up your power.</p><p>Btw Skiv, your roots are based off of Subjuagtion, not ordination</p></blockquote><p> you never looked at the skill required for Bracken? it is ordination becuz of the debuff component attatched.</p><p>I thought if it was using two diff skills ....it would say so?</p><p>PS: I find it easier to get my ordination skill higher than subjugation ... and that root definateley works better than the single target...I use it on single targets just as much.</p></blockquote>Skiv is quite right, Bracken is based on ordination. Both the description on it says ordination and the skill up you get from casting it is ordination.

[Veedublya]

<p>I stand corrected... Normally roots are based off subjugation, i didnt think some lame AGI debuff would totally change the skill requirement.</p><p>Speaking of which, why would an agi debuff be put on a root? doesnt that seem kinda rediculous? i think something more useful like a cold or heat debuff would be more useful</p>

[Skivley101]

Kithian@Permafrost wrote: <blockquote><span style="font-family: times new roman,times"><b><span style="font-size: xx-large">Which</span></b></span> </blockquote> You left the "T" out

[Leemeg]

I don't have the Wis one, never had either, so I can't say about that one. I do like the bracken best, since I find that most reliable (resists less than the single target one). About the deaggro/root thingy, its very nice if you need a 30ish seconds break, or a root that will not resists or break.

[Skivley101]

Creub@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>I don't have the Wis one, never had either, so I can't say about that one. I do like the bracken best, since I find that most reliable (resists less than the single target one). About the deaggro/root thingy, its very nice if you need a 30ish seconds break, or a root that will not resists or break. </blockquote><p> Here Here !!! Bracken is King ...or Queen ... witch ever you prefer.</p><p>Now im off to root some orange cons to test out my my new AA build <img src="/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<cite>Veedublya wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I stand corrected... Normally roots are based off subjugation, i didnt think some lame AGI debuff would totally change the skill requirement.</p><p>Speaking of which, why would an agi debuff be put on a root? doesnt that seem kinda rediculous? i think something more useful like a cold or heat debuff would be more useful</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, but...the agi debuff is a slow - so that kind of goes with root.  They aren't immobilized anymore, but they are slowed.  Makes perfect sense to me.   But then, I think Verdurous Journey in M1 casts faster with a wider range....so....</p>

[Veedublya]

an AGI debuff wouldnt slow the mob down but would decrease its avoidence

[Skivley101]

<p>Ya the snare is whats slowing their movement speed ... the agi decrease as far as i know would only effect avoidance and a scouts pwr pool.</p><p>But the whole reduceing their avoidance would seem counter productive since hitting them easier would brk the root/debuff sooner.</p><p>Im not totally sure but it looks like the debuff is only in effect when the root is also ... <img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ... so meh , I still like this root the best.</p><p>I went and tried some solo in Unrest .... Those Cucey's are under conned i think.  Had no trouble keeping them rooted ... just couldnt do enough dmg at range .... and they hit way to hard.   Not sure what kind of dmg their doing , maybe i had the wrong resist?</p>

[Veedublya]

<cite>Skivley101 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>But the whole reduceing their avoidance would seem counter productive since hitting them easier would brk the root/debuff sooner.</p></blockquote><p> Thats only true if you are melee'ing the mob, decreasing the mobs avoidence does not make it easier for nukes to land, only makes it easier to connect with melee attacks.</p><p>Thats why the AGI debuff is pointless, if you plan on rooting the mob you arent gonna run up and hit the dang thing, your gonna sit back and nuke it. The AGI debuff has no use for us at all, a heat/cold debuff would be more fitting.</p>

[Skivley101]

<cite>Veedublya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Skivley101 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>But the whole reduceing their avoidance would seem counter productive since hitting them easier would brk the root/debuff sooner.</p></blockquote><p> Thats only true if you are melee'ing the mob, decreasing the mobs avoidence does not make it easier for nukes to land, only makes it easier to connect with melee attacks.</p><p>Thats why the AGI debuff is pointless, if you plan on rooting the mob you arent gonna run up and hit the dang thing, your gonna sit back and nuke it. The AGI debuff has no use for us at all, a heat/cold debuff would be more fitting.</p></blockquote><p>Well ya ...i would imagine us nuking them depends on their heat/cold resist ..... But being able to hit them easier mele is even more counter productive becuz you wouldnt want to mele hit them if your rooting them like you said  .... well i dont know ?  maybe you could want  their avoidance down for a few mele hits ... in some rare circumstance?  ***shrug***</p><p>But yes i aggree ...it has always seemed like a pointless debuff ... I get more use out of wis,str,sta hex dolls IMO.</p>

[Veedublya]

<p>Im not against the idea of an AGI debuff at all, but to put it on a root is silly.</p><p>Instead set the AGI debuff aside and on its own, so we can: </p><p>1) cast it on epic mobs, since epic are immune to our roots we cannot cast this debuff on em</p><p>2) would last longer, if it had the same duration of 36 seconds it would be nice to last that long, instead of the 5% chance to break when target is damaged </p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<cite>Veedublya wrote:</cite><blockquote>an AGI debuff wouldnt slow the mob down but would decrease its avoidence</blockquote><p> Yeah, yeah..w/e.../rolls eyes.   I did mean the snare - and was thinking that when you were discussing it.     </p><p>No..really!</p>

[Skivley101]

Arielle Nightshade wrote: <blockquote><cite>Veedublya wrote:</cite><blockquote>an AGI debuff wouldnt slow the mob down but would decrease its avoidence</blockquote><p> Yeah, yeah..w/e.../rolls eyes.   I did mean the snare - and was thinking that when you were discussing it.     </p><p>No..really!</p></blockquote><p>I could see how some one could confuse Agi decrease with slowing the mob ... especially with the seems to me method <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>It is slowing their Dodging dipping ducking diveing & Dodgeing <img src="/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   ... and spelling</p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

Exactly...and it's WHICH!!!!!

[Skivley101]

Arielle Nightshade wrote: <blockquote>Exactly...and it's WHICH!!!!!</blockquote> But I luv the evil cackleing i hear in my head everytime i read the word "Witch"

[luwegeeeee]

For PvP i find the aoe deagrro root most useful For soloing i naturally find the single most important (usually stacked with ae root)

[StaticLex]

The AE deaggro root is fantastic, used it quite a few times to help the group wipe out a huge/bad pull.

[xandez]

<cite>Zahrim-Dk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Nether one, I have always found our roots being a total waste of power. We hardly have enough power to root and shoot something to kill it  and when we do it takes forever. </p><p> Now with my CAs I kill almost twice as fast <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></p></blockquote>bingo... this is how i feel also++Xan

[GinFan]

<p>I love aa enhanced bracken.  I use it even though I don't need to because it makes me happy to do so <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </p>

[ganjookie]

<cite>Skivley101 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Kithian@Permafrost wrote: <blockquote><span style="font-family: times new roman,times;"><b><span style="font-size: xx-large;">Which</span></b></span> </blockquote> You left the "T" out</blockquote>I know Im late on the response here but....GRRRRRR

[Arielle Nightshade]

WHICH!