Manaburn Change

[shadowgate]

So not that I am overly surprised that it happened with Wizards being a favorite of farmers of heroic named but having Manaburn do 20% less than before really hurts! If they wanted to lesson it vs heroics that is fine but leave it alone vs epics... Wizard AA changes as part of Update #37 <p>Wizard </p> <ul>Spell Reach: Increased range by 1. Enhance: Surge of flames: Increased duration bonus from 2 to 4 seconds per rank. Fireshape: Increased duration from 25 to 30 seconds. Enhance: Frostbound Gift: Increased duration bonus from 1 to 2 seconds per rank. Iceshape: Increased duration from 20 to 24 seconds. Enhance Concussive: Also improves casting speed by 0.2 seconds per rank. Manaburn: Decreased manaburn damage/power ratio from 5:1 to 4:1.</ul>

[iceriven2]

was upset to see the nerf too, but very least all classes end abilities that do high damage were nerfed. lifeburn, aftershock vortex, all nerfed too

[Avokk]

I mean yeah plat farmers, but why [Removed for Content] every legit player over a bunch of %$!"?$&*" kers ? The tell spam block will probably reduce plat farmers a lot already Nerfing 20% of MB damage is huge I mean increase the recast by 20%, but leave our big numbers alone already

[Leucippus]

I suspect the reason this change was made was not to adjust the relative damage output between classes. Instead, I think the reason the change was made because too many wizards were taking that AA line. Each of the AA lines is supposed to be a viable choice. If one AA line is taken overwhelmingly over the others, then expect that  AA line to be changed; i.e. nerfed in some way. Notice the other three AA lines were boosted. Only the manaburn AA line was reduced. (final abilities) Can you think of any way to make wizards switch away from the manaburn AA line that does not either reduce manaburn's effectiveness or make the other AA lines overpowering? I suspect not. If you do, then suggest it. The devs might just take your suggestion. I am amazed at how many people just assume a wizard has the manaburn AA line. They are quite surprised when they ask for manaburn to be called out in chat, and the wizard's response is that spell is not known. -Leucippus

[IllusiveThoughts]

<cite>Leucippus wrote:</cite><blockquote>I suspect the reason this change was made was not to adjust the relative damage output between classes. Instead, I think the reason the change was made because too many wizards were taking that AA line. Each of the AA lines is supposed to be a viable choice. If one AA line is taken overwhelmingly over the others, then expect that  AA line to be changed; i.e. nerfed in some way. Notice the other three AA lines were boosted. Only the manaburn AA line was reduced. (final abilities) Can you think of any way to make wizards switch away from the manaburn AA line that does not either reduce manaburn's effectiveness or make the other AA lines overpowering? I suspect not. If you do, then suggest it. The devs might just take your suggestion. I am amazed at how many people just assume a wizard has the manaburn AA line. They are quite surprised when they ask for manaburn to be called out in chat, and the wizard's response is that spell is not known. -Leucippus </blockquote><p>some of the higher dps parses on RAID's were done without manaburn.  Boosting the NON manaburn lines and nerfing manaburn, only makes everyone ELSE drop manaburn and go 100% ice/80% fire build.</p><p>That makes the line choices even more out of whack.  </p>

[Aeg]

ok, lifeburn i can see, that is free damage whenever you put it up, but manaburn you need to conserve your power through a fight and then use it. even in the best of circumstances, this spell is hard to use and not worth using. manaburn should have its damage buffed to give it an edge over the obvious choices of heat and cold. manaburn is only popular with farmers and casual wizards, raiders use heat and cold and these changes only give raids more of a reason to spec out of an unpopular power line and into the already popular lines.

[sammythebull]

<p>the part that ticks me off isn't what's done to ours, its how much more seems to be improved for our brother warlocks. I don't know what alot of this means but all i know is there's alot more "increase" and "improve" here than we got, meanwhile they already slaughter us on parse. This blows (time compression was nerfed too).</p><p>Warlock</p><ul><li>Enhance: Concussive: Also improves casting speed by 0.1 seconds per rank.</li></ul><ul><li>Enhance: Nullmail: Also improves reuse speed by 20 seconds per rank. Increased duration bonus from 1 to 1.5 seconds per rank. </li><li>Enhance: Interference: Also increases detaunt amount by 7% per rank. </li><li>Enhance: Curse of Darkness: Also improves casting speed by 0.2 seconds per rank. </li><li>Enhance: Venomous Grasp: Increased trigger percent bonus from 1% to 2% per rank. </li><li>Enhance: Boon of the Dark: Increased trigger percent bonus from 1% to 2% per rank. </li><li>Enhance: Poisonous Veil: Increased trigger percent bonus from 2% to 3% per rank. </li><li>Enhance: Abhorrent Gift: Increased duration from 2 to 3 seconds per rank. </li><li>Enhance: Netherous Realm: Also improves casting speed by 0.2 seconds per rank. </li><li>Propogation: Increased bonus from 3% to 4%. </li><li>Aftershock: Reduced trigger percentage from 50% to 40%. </li><li>Enhance: Dispel Magic: Reduced point cost from 3 to 2. </li><li>Enhance: Curse of Null: Improved casting speed by 0.2 seconds per rank. Increased debuff amount from 7 to 8% per rank. </li><li>Volatility: Improved reuse speed from 10 seconds to 5 seconds. Improved casting speed from 1.5 to 1. Now targets an encounter. Casting range reduced from 50 to 35 meters. </li><li>Vacuous: Increased taunts/detaunts from 15% to 25%.</li></ul>

[Mastire]

<cite>sammythebull wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>the part that ticks me off isn't what's done to ours, its how much more seems to be improved for our brother warlocks. I don't know what alot of this means but all i know is there's alot more "increase" and "improve" here than we got, meanwhile they already slaughter us on parse. This blows (time compression was nerfed too).</p><p>Warlock</p><ul><li>Enhance: Concussive: Also improves casting speed by 0.1 seconds per rank.</li></ul><ul><li>Enhance: Nullmail: Also improves reuse speed by 20 seconds per rank. Increased duration bonus from 1 to 1.5 seconds per rank. </li><li><b>Enhance: Interference: Also increases detaunt amount by 7% per rank.</b> </li><li><b>Enhance: Curse of Darkness: Also improves casting speed by 0.2 seconds per rank.</b> </li><li>Enhance: Venomous Grasp: Increased trigger percent bonus from 1% to 2% per rank. </li><li>Enhance: Boon of the Dark: Increased trigger percent bonus from 1% to 2% per rank. </li><li>Enhance: Poisonous Veil: Increased trigger percent bonus from 2% to 3% per rank. </li><li>Enhance: Abhorrent Gift: Increased duration from 2 to 3 seconds per rank. </li><li><b>Enhance: Netherous Realm: Also improves casting speed by 0.2 seconds per rank.</b> </li><li>Propogation: Increased bonus from 3% to 4%. </li><li>Aftershock: Reduced trigger percentage from 50% to 40%. </li><li><b>Enhance: Dispel Magic: Reduced point cost from 3 to 2. </b></li><li><b>Enhance: Curse of Null: Improved casting speed by 0.2 seconds per rank. Increased debuff amount from 7 to 8% per rank. </b></li><li><b>Volatility: Improved reuse speed from 10 seconds to 5 seconds. Improved casting speed from 1.5 to 1. Now targets an encounter. Casting range reduced from 50 to 35 meters.</b> </li><li>Vacuous: Increased taunts/detaunts from 15% to 25%.</li></ul></blockquote>The changes arn't as big as you make it sound. This is just to try to make other lines mroe balenced. The ones I highlited are still useless AA's even with the change and hte other ones are not as good as the explosives line as it is. I dont' see many warlocks accualy picking any of these AA's.

[Xusil]

MB is nice if you like to lower your dps so you can see a big number every couple of minutes. Should be praising them for FG/IC buff, responsible wizards use it.

[Lornick]

<cite>sammythebull wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>the part that ticks me off isn't what's done to ours, its how much more seems to be improved for our brother warlocks. <b>I don't know what alot of this means</b> but all i know is there's alot more "increase" and "improve" here than we got, meanwhile they already slaughter us on parse. This blows (time compression was nerfed too).</p><p>Warlock</p><ul><li>Enhance: Concussive: Also improves casting speed by 0.1 seconds per rank.</li></ul><ul><li>Enhance: Nullmail: Also improves reuse speed by 20 seconds per rank. Increased duration bonus from 1 to 1.5 seconds per rank. <b><span style="color: #0033ff">This is the warlock version of "mail of frost"</span></b></li><li>Enhance: Interference: Also increases detaunt amount by 7% per rank. <b><span style="color: #0033ff">Self explanatory</span></b></li><li>Enhance: Curse of Darkness: Also improves casting speed by 0.2 seconds per rank. <b><span style="color: #0033ff">Encounter max hp/power debuff... kinda worthless </span></b></li><li>Enhance: Venomous Grasp: Increased trigger percent bonus from 1% to 2% per rank. <b><span style="color: #0033ff">This is the warlock version of phoenixblade (melee proc buff)  Kind of nice actually, though I don't suspect many will take this AA route</span></b></li><li>Enhance: Boon of the Dark: Increased trigger percent bonus from 1% to 2% per rank. <b><span style="color: #0033ff">Power proc buff with slight aggro transfer.  Not bad.</span></b></li><li>Enhance: Poisonous Veil: Increased trigger percent bonus from 2% to 3% per rank. <span style="color: #0033ff"><b>Single target buff to proc disease damage to encounter.  Warlock version of iceshield, maintained buff though.</b> </span></li><li>Enhance: Abhorrent Gift: Increased duration from 2 to 3 seconds per rank. <b><span style="color: #0033ff">Warlock version of inferno surge (grants extra damage to nukes for short duration)</span></b></li><li>Enhance: Netherous Realm: Also improves casting speed by 0.2 seconds per rank. <b><span style="color: #0033ff">Lvl 58 ancient teaching spell, procs bonus damage to nukes.. AE</span></b></li><li>Propogation: Increased bonus from 3% to 4%. </li><li>Aftershock: Reduced trigger percentage from 50% to 40%.  <b><span style="color: #0033ff">BOOOO!</span></b></li><li>Enhance: Dispel Magic: Reduced point cost from 3 to 2. <b><span style="color: #0033ff">Self explanatory</span></b></li><li>Enhance: Curse of Null: Improved casting speed by 0.2 seconds per rank. Increased debuff amount from 7 to 8% per rank. <b><span style="color: #0033ff">Encounter Str/Int debuff. Not bad.</span></b></li><li>Volatility: Improved reuse speed from 10 seconds to 5 seconds. Improved casting speed from 1.5 to 1. Now targets an encounter. Casting range reduced from 50 to 35 meters. </li><li>Vacuous: Increased taunts/detaunts from 15% to 25%.  <b><span style="color: #0033ff">This is the best thing of the bunch.  Group buff that enhances taunts and deaggro skills.</span></b></li></ul></blockquote>

[suroktheslayer5]

I must admit that Manaburn made some heroic named fights way too easy. In that respect I saw the nerf coming a long way off. However with epics I wished they kept the damage ratio the same.

[Aeg]

in practical use it dont really matter so much, its a big hit, good for farming, in raids however it has limited use and this change only hurts it over fire and ice.

[TheGReddy]

Im all for these changes. Manaburn i dont really care about aswell as the fire changes(since im not gonna get fireshape and surge of flames AA) but i think that the Ice changes will make up for the lost dps in the Wisdom changes.

[Ilivarra]

If this nerf would convince the raiding wizards still using MB that they shouldn't have been doing so in the first place it's actually going to be a good thing!