RoK Epics: what weapon types?

[Mirander_1]

Just curious as to what people thought about this; what type of weapon do you want to see for your classes epic?  I'm not talking so much about stats and such, but rather wield type (1hand, 2hand, transforming weapon), and types of weapons (sword, axe, etc.) For me, I'd like to see the Wizard epic be a two-handed staff.  The staff is very much the iconic weapon of the Wizard (Gandalf and such), and it makes sense that epic weapons should be something that's iconic to the class.  It is possible to make the stats good enough to be worth the loss of the symbol. While Wizard is my main, here's my thoughts on some other classes: Beserker: Axe that transforms from 2handed to 1handed. Necromancer: 2handed Scythe Warden: Scimitar Fury: 2handed Staff Ranger: Bow Swashbuckler: Rapier or Saber

[Agmundr]

<p>I don't think it really matters.  Not everyone is going to be happy with what they get.  And some people will complain that it's too easy for everyone to have an epic.  I think they should give you an option between the weapon styles your class can use, whether it be a sword, staff, hammer, axe, etc. . . .  Give the player base a choice, rather than force a single weapon type on each class.  I don't really think that's too much to ask for.</p>

[Borias]

<p>I'd like to see an option for each class that turns in.  Like a Wizard would have a choice between a 1h staff, a 2h staff, a dagger, and maybe a ranged slot item.  But a scout would have a choice of a sword, a piercer, a bow, and maybe something else even as well.  And then have the option to change it later if one becomes much better down the road.</p>

[Zarafein]

I gues each of them will have a unique appeareance, so i don't think they will make every possible weapon for each class. Besides that, epics were the(or one) reason for achievement+dual wield change.

[Wildmage]

Sk's will probably get a 1 handed sword probably glowing red or black Paladins either a flaming sword or some kind of holy mace/hammer Berserkers an Axe Guardians no clue uhh giant two handed Mallet? comes with a free squished Noid pet. Brawlers is a toss up between fist/dual wieldable blunts or a 2 handed staff, leaning towards a weapon for Monks  and fist weapons for Bruisers. Swashbucklers will get a Rapier hands down Brigands I'd say a short sword Assassin's will get some form of dagger Ranger's if they Don't recieve a Bow the Devs better start screening their mail Bards will get Instrument looking weapons probably doing blunt damage Templar will get some kind of magical hammer or mace Inquisitor, a Scourge Warden Im going to say some form of a crook style staff  (more defensive of the druids so this fits) Fury Scimitar (the more aggressive of the druids so this fit) Mystic A spear Defiler I'd say some form on blunt weapon Necromancer Scythe hands down Other Mages its a toss up some will get two handed staffs, some will get wands and some will get daggers.

[Cusashorn]

<p>For the record, Gandalf used a sword, and NOBODY wants a 2 hand weapon since it means less stats.</p><p>I want Monks to recieve thier celestial fists back again. Epic armor, not weapons.</p>

[Mirander_1]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> and NOBODY wants a 2 hand weapon since it means less stats.</p></blockquote>Only because they haven't yet hit the right balance to make a 2-hander equal to having something in each hand.  If they get that right no one will have a problem with using a 2-hander.

[StoneySilen]

<cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> and NOBODY wants a 2 hand weapon since it means less stats.</p></blockquote>Only because they haven't yet hit the right balance to make a 2-hander equal to having something in each hand.  If they get that right no one will have a problem with using a 2-hander. </blockquote>Agreed, I would love to use a 2hstaff but their stats suck big time compared to a 1h and a symbol so why bother?  If they were able to make epics have proper stats that equaled a 1h and a symbol then I would have no problem using a 2h. As to Gandalf, in the movies he used a sword once with his staff in the other hand (while fighting in the White City).  The rest of the time he only used the staff.  Don't remember in the books.

[Borias]

However it ends up, it would be nice to have a 1 or 2 time turn back in option to get one of the other rewards available.

[Wildmage]

Ill have to dissagree on that there seem to be plenty of decent 2 handed staffs out there for Mages in tier 8, that have better stats than many symbols+1H items.

[StoneySilen]

<cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ill have to dissagree on that there seem to be plenty of decent 2 handed staffs out there for Mages in tier 8, that have better stats than many symbols+1H items. </blockquote>Considering Tier 8 doesn't exist yet how do you know?  As for Tier 7, I haven't seen one that yet beats a 1h with a symbol or other off hand item.

[Illmarr]

<p>Can I Dual Wield Lightsabers again? And my Warden really really wants a leafblower! </p><p>Funny someone would give Fury a scimitar when Wardens get the melee line of achievement. Let the Fury stand back and cast like Walker Bo with their crook.</p>

[Besual]

<cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sk's will probably get a 1 handed sword probably glowing red or black Paladins either a flaming sword or some kind of holy mace/hammer Berserkers an Axe Guardians no clue uhh giant two handed Mallet? comes with a free squished Noid pet. <b>If it is 2h only no (tanking) guardian will use it</b> Brawlers is a toss up between fist/dual wieldable blunts or a 2 handed staff, leaning towards a weapon for Monks  and fist weapons for Bruisers. Swashbucklers will get a Rapier hands down Brigands I'd say a short sword <b>A falchion would fit better.</b> Assassin's will get some form of dagger <b>Or a kris</b> Ranger's if they Don't recieve a Bow the Devs better start screening their mail Bards will get Instrument looking weapons probably doing blunt damage <b>I think bards can't use blunt weapons. I would bet a gnome slave that the trouba will get some kind of singing short sword. Dirge... dunno</b> Templar will get some kind of magical hammer or mace Inquisitor, a Scourge Warden Im going to say some form of a crook style staff  (more defensive of the druids so this fits) <b>How about a sickle?</b> Fury Scimitar (the more aggressive of the druids so this fit) Mystic A spear <b>Mystics shall get some kind of ugly club...</b> Defiler I'd say some form on blunt weapon <b>...and defiler a mean looking spear. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></b> Necromancer Scythe hands down Other Mages its a toss up some will get two handed staffs, some will get wands and some will get daggers. </blockquote>Some remarks in bold.

[Hella_Nervous]

Fury: Scimitar or one handed long sword....I can't stand not having a shield....plus they look cool

[Ixalmaris]

Personally I want to see much more polearms instead of just 2-handed swords.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Besual wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sk's will probably get a 1 handed sword probably glowing red or black Paladins either a flaming sword or some kind of holy mace/hammer Berserkers an Axe Guardians no clue uhh giant two handed Mallet? comes with a free squished Noid pet. <b>If it is 2h only no (tanking) guardian will use it</b> Brawlers is a toss up between fist/dual wieldable blunts or a 2 handed staff, leaning towards a weapon for Monks  and fist weapons for Bruisers. Swashbucklers will get a Rapier hands down Brigands I'd say a short sword <b>A falchion would fit better.</b> Assassin's will get some form of dagger <b>Or a kris</b> Ranger's if they Don't recieve a Bow the Devs better start screening their mail Bards will get Instrument looking weapons probably doing blunt damage <b>I think bards can't use blunt weapons. I would bet a gnome slave that the trouba will get some kind of singing short sword. Dirge... dunno</b> Templar will get some kind of magical hammer or mace Inquisitor, a Scourge Warden Im going to say some form of a crook style staff  (more defensive of the druids so this fits) <b>How about a sickle?</b> Fury Scimitar (the more aggressive of the druids so this fit) Mystic A spear <b>Mystics shall get some kind of ugly club...</b> Defiler I'd say some form on blunt weapon <b>...and defiler a mean looking spear. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></b> Necromancer Scythe hands down Other Mages its a toss up some will get two handed staffs, some will get wands and some will get daggers. </blockquote>Some remarks in bold. </blockquote>Why can't the Mystics get the Spear of Fate instead? Why do the defilers get it?

[dnice74]

Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote><cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ill have to dissagree on that there seem to be plenty of decent 2 handed staffs out there for Mages in tier 8, that have better stats than many symbols+1H items. </blockquote>Considering Tier 8 doesn't exist yet how do you know?  As for Tier 7, I haven't seen one that yet beats a 1h with a symbol or other off hand item. </blockquote> Tier 8 doesn't exist for players yet, not mobs. Watch it.

[Illmarr]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Besual wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sk's will probably get a 1 handed sword probably glowing red or black Paladins either a flaming sword or some kind of holy mace/hammer Berserkers an Axe Guardians no clue uhh giant two handed Mallet? comes with a free squished Noid pet. <b>If it is 2h only no (tanking) guardian will use it</b> Brawlers is a toss up between fist/dual wieldable blunts or a 2 handed staff, leaning towards a weapon for Monks  and fist weapons for Bruisers. Swashbucklers will get a Rapier hands down Brigands I'd say a short sword <b>A falchion would fit better.</b> Assassin's will get some form of dagger <b>Or a kris</b> Ranger's if they Don't recieve a Bow the Devs better start screening their mail Bards will get Instrument looking weapons probably doing blunt damage <b>I think bards can't use blunt weapons. I would bet a gnome slave that the trouba will get some kind of singing short sword. Dirge... dunno</b> Templar will get some kind of magical hammer or mace Inquisitor, a Scourge Warden Im going to say some form of a crook style staff  (more defensive of the druids so this fits) <b>How about a sickle?</b> Fury Scimitar (the more aggressive of the druids so this fit) Mystic A spear <b>Mystics shall get some kind of ugly club...</b> Defiler I'd say some form on blunt weapon <b>...and defiler a mean looking spear. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></b> Necromancer Scythe hands down Other Mages its a toss up some will get two handed staffs, some will get wands and some will get daggers. </blockquote>Some remarks in bold. </blockquote>Why can't the Mystics get the Spear of Fate instead? Why do the defilers get it? </blockquote> Because he's a Defiler and not a Mystic silly

[Gaealiege]

<p>No one wants a two-handed, huh?  Do you people even play in the high end?  If you see someone transmute Staff of Unending Growth you send me a video of it.  </p><p>As for you,  Cusawhatever, Gandalf used both Glamdring and a staff.</p>

[miliskel]

as a warlock i want: a scythe a dagger a sk style sword or a 2h staff with a skull on the top what i dont want: a 1h staff a 2h staff or a undead arm/hand thing ( i think they are cool in offhand but not in primary )

[Yindari]

Gandalf got a sword in <u>The Hobbit</u> and had it throughout the books.

[Wildmage]

Wreakinn@Vox wrote: <blockquote>Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote><cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ill have to dissagree on that there seem to be plenty of decent 2 handed staffs out there for Mages in tier 8, that have better stats than many symbols+1H items. </blockquote>Considering Tier 8 doesn't exist yet how do you know?  As for Tier 7, I haven't seen one that yet beats a 1h with a symbol or other off hand item. </blockquote> Tier 8 doesn't exist for players yet, not mobs. Watch it. </blockquote>I meant Tier 7 sorry, a typo.

[Wildmage]

I recently purchased the Rune-Carved Bone Staff, and frankly it was better than the current 1h/symbol I had or any 1h or symbols that I could afford on the broker so im using that now.

[Ama]

<p>For me personally I hope wardens get something similar to the EQOA druid epic 2h staff.  I would really love to further the lore around my warden if that is implemented.  SK I deffinately want something like the 2h axe or 2h sword.  Unfortunately all EQOA had were rogues which are basically Assassins, Swashys and brigands combined together.  They had some nice weapons though and wouldn't mind seein some like those implemented.  </p><p>My question is how will these things progress.  SoD in mistmoore castle was deffinately a let down for me requiring an almost ungodly zone.  Went from the catacombs to MMC with a small group.  We found a named and the [Removed for Content] thing 1 shotted me with me being in defensive mode.  Deffinately a nasty blow to my ego as a SK tank having 59% near 60% mitigation. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[TaleraRis]

I want a BOW

[BadManHip]

I'm willing bet my elf love slave that the devs forget the troub exists and forget to give them a epic weapon

[Wildmage]

<cite>TaleraRis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I want a BOW </blockquote> Give her a bow please I don't want to get shot in the tushy again!

[Sinful One]

rangers wont get a bow, check the ranger forums, people have been talking about balance alot <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and if you think its true, + alot of raiders would be VERY annoyed if the new one was better than Wuoshis <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (wish i had it) i wouldent mind some cool dual wielding swords for my ranger though, like the eq1 ones Swiftwind and earthcaller, but each with something that works for the group so i have some utilty! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Necros gotta be a Scythe come on! Warlocks some evil orb looking thing Clerics a gun, cause they cant DPS anyhow ;P

[Wildmage]

Sinful One wrote: <blockquote>rangers wont get a bow, check the ranger forums, people have been talking about balance alot <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and if you think its true, + alot of raiders would be VERY annoyed if the new one was better than Wuoshis <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (wish i had it) i wouldent mind some cool dual wielding swords for my ranger though, like the eq1 ones Swiftwind and earthcaller, but each with something that works for the group so i have some utilty! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Necros gotta be a Scythe come on! Warlocks some evil orb looking thing Clerics a gun, cause they cant DPS anyhow ;P</blockquote>Whats wrong with it being better than a next tier down raid item if people are expecting tier 7 gear not to be outclassed by HQ rewards and legendary, fabled  equipment from Kunark they need to chug some coffee and wake up thats how that game goes. P.S. BOWS!

[Gannor]

I'd like to see multiple weapon choices per prefession. Just two or three each to match their style. I won't force two handers on everyone else that hides behind a shield, but as a matter of dignity and pride, I will never... never use an axe! And I don't appreciate how suddenly everyone decides Berserkers should automatically be stuck with such barbaric means. I'm a Warrior, not a barbarian, I want an elegant weapon to match my specialization on pure speed. 150% is easy, but with an Axe, I'm not going to be able to keep a grip of the d*mn thing!

[AegisCrown]

swash should get a cutlass not a rapier or sabre

[Wildmage]

<cite>Gannor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd like to see multiple weapon choices per prefession. Just two or three each to match their style. I won't force two handers on everyone else that hides behind a shield, but as a matter of dignity and pride, I will never... never use an axe! And I don't appreciate how suddenly everyone decides Berserkers should automatically be stuck with such barbaric means. I'm a Warrior, not a barbarian, I want an elegant weapon to match my specialization on pure speed. 150% is easy, but with an Axe, I'm not going to be able to keep a grip of the d*mn thing! </blockquote> Thats so unlikely to happen its honestly not even worth contemplating at best you might get a transforming weapon similar to Wyrmslayer HQ.  and even then the only classes I see getting that would be warriors and rangers(swordbow ftw!).

[Salox]

Personally, just to keep with EQ1 tradition, I'd like Shadowknights to have a two hander. I always loved the look of the 2.0 SK epic.

[Wildmage]

Its highly likely there will be a nod towards the eq epic weapons for the classes that can be connected to EQ1 question is which epic will it be theres 3 versions of them per eq1 class currently.  Plus classes that were split will be interesting enchanters/shamans/rogue/druid/warrior/brawler.  The one class that doesn't have any eq1 connection for eq1 is Warlock so im interested in how that will turn out

[Kindayr]

<p>Guardian: Jagged Blade of War or a 1h and a Shield Berserker: The crazy axe they got for 2.0 Shadowknight: Innoruuk's Curse of course, maybe even make it a 1h Paladin: Not the Fiery Avenger for several reasons, who knows. Monk: Celestial Fists, maybe not make them gloves, but an actual weapon that goes into your Primary and Secondary that adds deflection, parry, and defense skills, mitigation buff, a dps buff, and a dmg add to bare hand attacks (don't count as weapons and allow you to use your DPS AA line Bruiser: Same thing as Monks, just different weapon name.</p><p>Troubadour: Singing Short Sword</p><p>Dirge: Vhalen's Singing Short Sword (lol i nno, bored at work)</p><p>Assassin: Can decide them or Brigand on who gets the Ragebringer <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Ranger: Give 'em a choice between a bow or Swiftwind and Earthcaller</p><p>Brigand: Maybe Ragebringer</p><p>Swashbuckler: Captain Varlos' Rapier <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i unno</p><p>Wizard: Staff of the Four</p><p>Warlock: not a clue to be honest.</p><p>Illusionist: Maybe orbs that make your hands transparent or maybe even you're entire body? i unno</p><p>Coercer: Staff of the Serpint</p><p>Necro: Scythe of the Shadowed Soul</p><p>Conjuror: Orb of Mastery</p><p>Warden: Nature Walker Scimitar</p><p>Fury: Not a clue <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Templar: Water Sprinkler of Nem Ankh</p><p>Inquisitor: Not a clue <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Mystic: Spear of Fate</p><p>Defiler: not a clue <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[AnAnimatedcorpse]

I hope berserkers get the nastiest axe imaginable. Perhaps something with +double attack, +slashing and +parry. Perhaps something like the Zek avatar axe?

[deusdivini]

They need to be the original EQ1 EPICs, period. That's really all I have to say about that. Those epics were so iconic, so rare, that when you saw them back when they FIRST became available that you knew the person weilding it worked [Removed for Content] hard to get it. None of this picking and choosing... just one epic, period. It's your class' defining weapon, period. It's not your signature weapon.

[Wildmage]

<cite>deusdivini wrote:</cite><blockquote>They need to be the original EQ1 EPICs, period. That's really all I have to say about that. Those epics were so iconic, so rare, that when you saw them back when they FIRST became available that you knew the person weilding it worked [I cannot control my vocabulary] hard to get it. None of this picking and choosing... just one epic, period. It's your class' defining weapon, period. It's not your signature weapon. </blockquote>okay then then which of the enchanter classes gets the original? which of the shamans, which of the druids?  what about bards? or Rogues?  and what about classes that don't have a direct connection like assassins, bruisers and warlocks?

[MrFurious99]

I better get a scimitar and it better blow leaves all over the place! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[KennyG]

As a wizy I want a 2h staff.  Period.  It's what you are supposed to wield for the iconic signature of the class.  It would likely need at least +100 int (after adorns) though to truely justify it's place (right now I can get 90 with adorns on 1h+secondary combo).  And if not one super sweet proc, then 2 really good ones in addition.  We are talking about a weapon that's supposed to be the be all end all for you class that you can never do better than. (unless they change the cap) 

[troodon]

SK epic should be the Greenmist, period.

[Wildmage]

<cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote>SK epic should be the Greenmist, period.</blockquote>more likely that will be an HQ.

[AnAnimatedcorpse]

Period.

[Valita]

<cite>Kindayr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Guardian: Jagged Blade of War or a 1h and a Shield Berserker: The crazy axe they got for 2.0 Shadowknight: Innoruuk's Curse of course, maybe even make it a 1h Paladin: Not the Fiery Avenger for several reasons, who knows. Monk: Celestial Fists, maybe not make them gloves, but an actual weapon that goes into your Primary and Secondary that adds deflection, parry, and defense skills, mitigation buff, a dps buff, and a dmg add to bare hand attacks (don't count as weapons and allow you to use your DPS AA line Bruiser: Same thing as Monks, just different weapon name.</p><p>Troubadour: Singing Short Sword</p><p>Dirge: Vhalen's Singing Short Sword (lol i nno, bored at work)</p><p>Assassin: Can decide them or Brigand on who gets the Ragebringer <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Ranger: Give 'em a choice between a bow or Swiftwind and Earthcaller</p><p>Brigand: Maybe Ragebringer</p><p>Swashbuckler: Captain Varlos' Rapier <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i unno</p><p>Wizard: Staff of the Four</p><p>Warlock: not a clue to be honest.</p><p><b>Illusionist: Maybe orbs that make your hands transparent or maybe even you're entire body? i unno</b></p><p><b>Coercer: Staff of the Serpint</b></p><p>Necro: Scythe of the Shadowed Soul</p><p>Conjuror: Orb of Mastery</p><p>Warden: Nature Walker Scimitar</p><p>Fury: Not a clue <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Templar: Water Sprinkler of Nem Ankh</p><p>Inquisitor: Not a clue <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Mystic: Spear of Fate</p><p>Defiler: not a clue <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote> Staff of the Serp<b>e</b>nt had a haste buff on it so it would make more sense if that were the Illusionist weapon. Your suggestion for Illusionist is a whole lot of bad. I expect to see the Illusionists to get stuck with a grand father clock they lug around on their backs. But that would only make sense for gnomes. I hate gnomes!!!

[Kri]

As a Warden I definitely want some sort of 2H Sword. It's silly that casting oriented Furies can use the Pride's Edge but not melee oriented Wardens.

[Vilayet]

<p>I'd be really surprised if they actually implement 24 separate weapons... </p><p>Betting that epics will be based on Class (read: Druid) not Sub-Class (read: Fury vs. Warden)</p><p>Maybe slightly different stats, proc's and appearance, but fundamentally the same weapon.</p><p>IMHO, epic weapons should nod to EQ1 with the same names.</p><p>-Vila </p>

[Xakkoriz]

I doubt SK will get a 1hander as some have said... both of the 2 SK epics in EQ1 were 2handers... and I honestly hope the one we get this time will be also. Hopefully it'll look similar to Innoruuk's Curse or Voice... they both looked really cool IMO.

[ke'la]

Coel@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>swash should get a cutlass not a rapier or sabre </blockquote> Sorry to break it too you but Swashbucklers have FAR more in commin with the Three Musketeers then they do with Jack Sparrow. Thats why Swashs should get a Rapier and Brigands a Cutlass, Heck even your advatar shows a Rapier as the Signiture for the Swash not the Cutlass.

[Zarafein]

<p>Have to agree, swashbucklers should get a nice rapier but not sure if a cutlass would be the best choice for brigands.</p>

[TaleraRis]

Sinful One wrote: <blockquote>rangers wont get a bow, check the ranger forums, people have been talking about balance alot <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and if you think its true, + alot of raiders would be VERY annoyed if the new one was better than Wuoshis <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (wish i had it) </blockquote> I'd rather not have all the class choices based around one playstyle's preferences, to be honest. So I could honestly care less if the raiders were annoyed there was a good weapon that would let the ranged class that relies on ranged CAs actually be able to utilize those CAs. The developers have made the majority of our attacks ranged and not able to be cast on the move. The very way they have designed our class to be so dependent on ranged combat cries out for an adequate ranged weapon.

[Talz]

<cite>TaleraRis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sinful One wrote: <blockquote>rangers wont get a bow, check the ranger forums, people have been talking about balance alot <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and if you think its true, + alot of raiders would be VERY annoyed if the new one was better than Wuoshis <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (wish i had it) </blockquote> I'd rather not have all the class choices based around one playstyle's preferences, to be honest. So I could honestly care less if the raiders were annoyed there was a good weapon that would let the ranged class that relies on ranged CAs actually be able to utilize those CAs. The developers have made the majority of our attacks ranged and not able to be cast on the move. The very way they have designed our class to be so dependent on ranged combat cries out for an adequate ranged weapon. </blockquote>The notion that a player would be "VERY annoyed" that a T8 fabled bow was better than a T7 fabled bow is complete nonsense.  You know that. <img src="/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Wildmage]

<cite>Talzar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TaleraRis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sinful One wrote: <blockquote>rangers wont get a bow, check the ranger forums, people have been talking about balance alot <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and if you think its true, + alot of raiders would be VERY annoyed if the new one was better than Wuoshis <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (wish i had it) </blockquote> I'd rather not have all the class choices based around one playstyle's preferences, to be honest. So I could honestly care less if the raiders were annoyed there was a good weapon that would let the ranged class that relies on ranged CAs actually be able to utilize those CAs. The developers have made the majority of our attacks ranged and not able to be cast on the move. The very way they have designed our class to be so dependent on ranged combat cries out for an adequate ranged weapon. </blockquote>The notion that a player would be "VERY annoyed" that a T8 fabled bow was better than a T7 fabled bow is complete nonsense.  You know that. <img src="/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>keep in mind there will be a legendary and a fabled version of each Epic weapon. Ill chime in on Brigands I honestly wouldn't mind a truncheon/blackjack/sap sneak up behind folk and clonk them on the head its the brigand way!

[Oakum]

<cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sk's will probably get a 1 handed sword probably glowing red or black Paladins either a flaming sword or some kind of holy mace/hammer Berserkers an Axe Guardians no clue uhh giant two handed Mallet? comes with a free squished Noid pet. Brawlers is a toss up between fist/dual wieldable blunts or a 2 handed staff, leaning towards a weapon for Monks  and fist weapons for Bruisers. Swashbucklers will get a Rapier hands down Brigands I'd say a short sword Assassin's will get some form of dagger Ranger's if they Don't recieve a Bow the Devs better start screening their mail Bards will get Instrument looking weapons probably doing blunt damage Templar will get some kind of magical hammer or mace Inquisitor, a Scourge Warden Im going to say some form of a crook style staff  (more defensive of the druids so this fits) Fury Scimitar (the more aggressive of the druids so this fit) Mystic A spear Defiler I'd say some form on blunt weapon Necromancer Scythe hands down Other Mages its a toss up some will get two handed staffs, some will get wands and some will get daggers. </blockquote><p>LoL, its funny that you picked a staff for a warden because it (and a warden)  "defensive". Wardens are druids which are dps/healer hybrids. Even in EQ1 the epic weapon was a scimiter. The warden is only supposed to be more defensive then a fury and not by that much. Not more defensive then a cleric or shaman. </p><p>It used to be that wardens were small fast nukers who healed a little better then a fury could while a fury was a long slow cast nuker which did a little more dps then a warden. Both druids could out dps'ed all other healers as it should be. Things have gotten out of wack since the LU 13 balancing though with the dev's efforts to make the clerics and shaman more solo friendly ect. </p><p>As far as an epic weapon I would say a scimiter if one handed although my personnal hope would be a two handed sword (epic is big right?) with str of course to support the CA line.  </p><p>I seen one post where it was said at fan faire that they would not change any EoF armor sets in which wardens sets have no str due to oversight, lack of communication, whatever. Hopefully they will fix that problem including the epic weapon stats in RoK and boost our dps to where it should be in comparison to other healers. </p><p>Clerics are the big heal healers with best mt buffs and worst dps, shaman are the healers/buffers/debuffers with second best mt buffs and medium dps and druids are healer/dps hybrids with the worst mt buffs and the best dps. The armor worn is tiered according to the dps that can be done too. The more dps a priest can do the lighter the armor. Healing is all basically equal.   </p>

[LordPazuzu]

I'd personally like to see a return fo some of the EQ1 epics...  Jagged Blade of War, Innoruuk's Curse, Water Sprinkler of Nem Ahnk, etc...

[Gutwren]

Yea... if they give me a staff.... /delete quest.