Please, 1 new char slot for rok

[lancekortesoja]

I really want to make a new guy, but my slots a full

[Cusashorn]

And you absolutely cannot sacrifice a character at all?

[Nere]

No. I can't. I have invested considerable time, coin and effort in every single one of them. And I don't feel like I should have to delete one of my characters in order to enjoy the new content I'm buying.

[StoneySilen]

You got 3 options: Play on the Test Server (get whole new set of slots) Play on the Euro Servers (get whole new set of slots) Pay for Station Access I doubt they will raise the number of characters for RoK because they just upped it by one a few months ago.

[ke'la]

Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>You got 3 options: Play on the Test Server (get whole new set of slots) Play on the Euro Servers (get whole new set of slots) Pay for Station Access I doubt they will raise the number of characters for RoK because they just upped it by one a few months ago. </blockquote> Accuall its 1 for standared accounts totaling 7 and 2 for all access totaling 12.

[Korpo]

<cite>Nere wrote:</cite><blockquote>No. I can't. I have invested considerable time, coin and effort in every single one of them. And I don't feel like I should have to delete one of my characters in order to enjoy the new content I'm buying.</blockquote>You don't have to: you are welcome to upgrade your account to the fancy version (if you don't already have it), or you are welcome to buy a second account.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Korpo wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nere wrote:</cite><blockquote>No. I can't. I have invested considerable time, coin and effort in every single one of them. And I don't feel like I should have to delete one of my characters in order to enjoy the new content I'm buying.</blockquote>You don't have to: you are welcome to upgrade your account to the fancy version (if you don't already have it), or you are welcome to buy a second account. </blockquote>Meh, you can have 21 toons on a normal account if you spread em out over US/EU/Test. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Should be enough. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> That being said... Why not another method of payment. Charge 1$/toon you have. No high range limit. Some people would prolly be coughing up 20-30$ <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (I know I'd pay 12$)

[Ama]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Korpo wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nere wrote:</cite><blockquote>No. I can't. I have invested considerable time, coin and effort in every single one of them. And I don't feel like I should have to delete one of my characters in order to enjoy the new content I'm buying.</blockquote>You don't have to: you are welcome to upgrade your account to the fancy version (if you don't already have it), or you are welcome to buy a second account. </blockquote>Meh, you can have 21 toons on a normal account if you spread em out over US/EU/Test. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Should be enough. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> That being said... Why not another method of payment. Charge 1$/toon you have. No high range limit. Some people would prolly be coughing up 20-30$ <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (I know I'd pay 12$) </blockquote>*shrug* Would probably be more like $5 for an extra toon but I do agree that those wanting an extra toon will pay that amount.  Could make it a special offer where you purchase "Character Slots" from the station access.  Pay a one time charge of like $5 per toon or pay $1 extra on your account for a year for each toon. 

[Cusashorn]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Korpo wrote: Meh, you can have 21 toons on a normal account if you spread em out over US/EU/Test. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Should be enough. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> That being said... Why not another method of payment. Charge 1$/toon you have. No high range limit. Some people would prolly be coughing up 20-30$ <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (I know I'd pay 12$) </blockquote>Ahh yes, the Final Fantasy 11 method.

[Darq]

why would anyone be against an extra slot? I have 2 accounts and i still don't have all the race/class combinations i would like to play, on 1 server. beats me

[dieschatten]

Why you need all Class / race combos? 7 Slots is more than enough.

[lancekortesoja]

Yes 7 is not enough i need my snarak wizard

[Darq]

<cite>dieschatten wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why you need all Class / race combos? 7 Slots is more than enough. </blockquote> why not? even 14 isn't enough for instance i would like to have an ogre melee inquisitor, next to my dark elf hybrid inquisitor on a pvp server then, i don't have a defiler on a pvp server,but all scout all tank classes. also i'd like to play an ogre wizard specced in warding and an erudite wizard specced manaburn. i can think of more examples. and since all pvp servers were merged into us servers i don't have 1 or more alternate region options. and excuuuuuse me if i'm not going to buy a 3rd account just for the 1-2 slots. also i'd of course like to create a RoK char when it's released, who wouldn't? and no i wouldn't want to delete one of the other chars i spent time into building it. now please answer, why not?

[Galithdor]

Hmm...i wouldnt mind more slots but we already got new ones not long ago.

[Lord Montague]

<p>It's the classic "give an inch, take a mile."</p>

[Darq]

Seirrah@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><p>It's the classic "give an inch, take a mile."</p></blockquote> no it's not

[grish]

/disagree. You just got new slots, and half of the point in limiting slots is so people will buy more accounts, and have to pay monthly fees. Sony is running a business, not a soup kitchen. Chances are if you have 7 slots filled with level 70s thats one thing, but to claim you spent lots of time and money in all 7 slots is a pretty bold statement specially since that other slot is new. I mean in reality your account prolly has 7 toons all ranging from level 20-40 who havent had anything other than the few days it takes to level up invested. If you want a slot, man up and delete something.

[lancekortesoja]

How about like what guild wars does, it gives 2 new slots per exp pack, and you can buy them to, but I mean 1 slot per pack is enough for me

[Methriln]

Well seeing as how guild wars is free to play thats prob why they sell slots.

[Nere]

I understand it's a business. It's a service oriented entertainment business. They earn their money through the software sales and subsciption fees for that. Part of their business model is "if it's not fun we don't want it to be part of the game". Many people DO have 7 slots with lvl 70's .. or will in November. When it becomes fun to delete characters let me know. As far as I'm concerned the extra slot given last time was long over due. We should get a new slot with every expansion that introduces a new race .. because people will want to create a character to play that race .. and more than likely will need a slot to do so. That's enabling people to have fun and to enjoy the content they are purchasing. The people who come on here arguing against getting another slot with RoK blow my mind. Why do you NOT want another slot?

[Kneemin]

/agree, who the hell would want to NOT give us another slot, right now I have all 7 filled and i just had to delete one b/c he was behind (pre-EoF) and made a new char, but I really loved having an SK so I want another one, and I figure since there is a new race coming anyway..... when in rome.. make one. BUT, im out of slots and like alot of people who play MMOs I can afford $13 a month to play, but there is no way in hell I can afford $30 a month just to have some xtra slots (station access). just my 2cp GIVE US A/SOME SLOT(S)!! ... plS?

[Lightstrider]

<p>It seems strange to me that anyone would object to adding slots, except for Sony.  Anyone who doesn't want an additional slot would simply not use it, so no skin off their nose.  Anyone who wants them will use them and be pleased customers (oh, hey...that sounds like good business, when you consider how many altaholics there are, myself included).  I was thrilled they added a slot with Neriak, but I still think 7 is skimpy--we at least had 8 in EQ1, and that was per server.  It would be nice to have at least 8, even if they feel they can't do it per server.  </p><p>My personal theory is that they will eventually do so, but maybe not with ROK.  After all, we begged and begged before EOF came out so we could try a Fae, but we didn't get a slot.  It was only after more begging and pleading and the addition of a new race with Neriak that we finally got another slot.  Maybe SOE will hold that 8th slot for a future free content addition, and so maybe we could look for that sometime next June, a year after the last slot addition.  That's what I'm thinking, anyway...I would be shocked (pleased, but shocked) if we got two new slots within the same year.  But then again, I am shocked we are getting two new races in the same year (OK, not really...those evil Fae are pretty much just that, evil Fae.  Nice wings, though).</p>

[Josgar]

<cite>Lightstrider wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It seems strange to me that anyone would object to adding slots, except for Sony.  Anyone who doesn't want an additional slot would simply not use it, so no skin off their nose.  Anyone who wants them will use them and be pleased customers (oh, hey...that sounds like good business, when you consider how many altaholics there are, myself included).  I was thrilled they added a slot with Neriak, but I still think 7 is skimpy--we at least had 8 in EQ1, and that was per server.  It would be nice to have at least 8, even if they feel they can't do it per server.  </p><p>My personal theory is that they will eventually do so, but maybe not with ROK.  After all, we begged and begged before EOF came out so we could try a Fae, but we didn't get a slot.  It was only after more begging and pleading and the addition of a new race with Neriak that we finally got another slot.  Maybe SOE will hold that 8th slot for a future free content addition, and so maybe we could look for that sometime next June, a year after the last slot addition.  That's what I'm thinking, anyway...I would be shocked (pleased, but shocked) if we got two new slots within the same year.  But then again, I am shocked we are getting two new races in the same year (OK, not really...those evil Fae are pretty much just that, evil Fae.  Nice wings, though).</p></blockquote><p>I disagree/ do agree its sort of weird.</p><p>On the one hand, I beleive everyone here should have saved their slot... we knew ROK and Sarnak were coming out for a long time (Yeah a weird lifes lesson type thing)</p><p>On the other hand, they are adding a new race... maybe their should be a new slot.</p><p>So Josgari s on the fence.</p>

[Syndic]

I don't think anyone is saying they don't want another slot, I think they are just pointing out that with players receiving more slots just recently that getting more that closely is not likely to happen.  You never know Sony could surprise us, one would hope that with the cheap cost of storage space that it is being considered, the only thing working against us is that Sony is trying to sell Station Access with the benefit of extra slots so they will take that into consideration.

[Besual]

I don't want / need a new slot. If SOE adds a new slot they might increase the monthly fee as well. I would have to pay more for something I don't want.

[Lightstrider]

These are the type of comments to which I am referring. The monthly fee is not going to go up because of an added character slot, because EQ2 must have a monthly fee that is competitive with the other games out there. Therefore, unless everyone is raising prices, you are not likely to see an increase in monthly fee. By your argument, I should be against introducing game additions like Neriak--after all, adding content might lead to an increased fee, but I have no characters who will be going to Neriak, so why should I pay for it? That said, the point is that many games offer more slots for the same price. Sony seems stingy in comparison. Therefore, those of us who want more slots are completely justified in expecting similar treatment in order to retain our business. If you don't want/need a slot, that's fine, but I believe if you took a vote of all the subscribers, you would find that most would like to see the slots increased. I read an article on MMORPG.com about how Sony has been working to improve game performance on little things in the background, to improve fps and the like. Seems like they could also work on ways to improve server storage to allow for more slots.

[lilmohi]

I would of course love another character slot, however i'm with the others and doubt very much that they will give us one.  Especially considering this expansion isn't focused on lower end content.<img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Syva]

So when exactly does it end?

[wutru]

<p>And this is why WoW has 9 million subscribers, because they don't nickel and dime their customers.  You can have <span style="font-size: medium"><b>10 slots per server</b></span> <b><span style="font-size: medium">in WoW</span></b>.  I forgot the actual number of servers, but i think it's up to around 5+ servers.  That's around 50 characters total, which is very nice.</p><p>It just astonishes me that anyone would be against more slots.  Some of you need to stop defending SOE for every little thing.</p>

[Finora]

<p>I'm of a mind they should have had at LEAST 10 slots per account from the get go. Something like WOW has would be wonderful. I doubt even the most insane alters of us out there would hit the 50 characater mark.</p><p>More slots = more people making more alts = more people spending MORE time in their game which they have to pay every month to play. </p><p>Station Access USED to be a bit of a deal even if you didn't play other games and just got it for the extra slots. Since the double price raise it is no longer an option for many people. It certainly isn't really a deal anymore unless you play at least one of SOE's other games. Some folks who play do have budgets that don't include enough disposible income to cover multiple accounts (which All Access is equal to these days with less benefit).</p>

[erin]

I understand the many business reasons SOE might be against giving away free slots.  It baffles me why any players are against it.  I'm confused. If you don't want the slot, you don't use it, how is that hurting you?  So why would you want to take additional enjoyment (and possible longevity of the game) away from other players?  It makes no sense.

[Apostate]

I think EQ2 made enough progress since launch that it is now in the position to steal away some of the 8.5 million wow players who, like myself, grew tired of its simplicity. This is one issue however that just boggles my mind. I had entire servers full of characters on wow, I'd say more than 25 characters total, from 1 to 70 and all levels between. Once you max out on a game it's alt time, and I don't know how I'll feel in a few months when I've hit the cap here in EQ2. I've already created and deleted a number of characters because I'm filled up and I've only been playing for two weeks. Some people like to try class/race combos AND NOT DELETE THEM! What a concept...Esp since this game has more combos than wow - in one faction alone. IMO, if SOE wants EQ2 to really push through to the next level on their subscriber base they are going to have to stop with this nickel and dime BS - $ for extra characters, $ for advent packs, $ for xpacs...get your hands off my wallet already. I don't like a number of things about this game at the moment, but I think it is better than banging my head against a wall in Azeroth for now. I like what you've done with the place, but for goodness sake if you want me to stay ease up on the frikken extortion and let me wig out on alts till I figure out what I want to do. And for you folks defending SOE on this - they won't lose any money by letting us do this, it's not like our toons take up vast terabytes on their server. This is purely and simply a money grab. I realize you're defensive about *your* game and all, but try to be objective and call a spade a spade here.

[boon515]

<cite>Darq wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dieschatten wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why you need all Class / race combos? 7 Slots is more than enough. </blockquote> why not? even 14 isn't enough for instance i would like to have an ogre melee inquisitor, next to my dark elf hybrid inquisitor on a pvp server then, i don't have a defiler on a pvp server,but all scout all tank classes. also i'd like to play an ogre wizard specced in warding and an erudite wizard specced manaburn. i can think of more examples. and since all pvp servers were merged into us servers i don't have 1 or more alternate region options. and excuuuuuse me if i'm not going to buy a 3rd account just for the 1-2 slots. also i'd of course like to create a RoK char when it's released, who wouldn't? and no i wouldn't want to delete one of the other chars i spent time into building it. now please answer, why not? </blockquote>Dude, honestly.......YES, i agree. Especially with the ogre wizard specced for warding LOL. nice

[Araxes]

1 new slot? How about 10. Considering there are 24 classes and 18 races, 7 slots is absurd. I understand there may be database limitations - but really, this should be a higher priority.  It really limits players in experiencing the various classes.

[ke'la]

<cite>Apostate wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think EQ2 made enough progress since launch that it is now in the position to steal away some of the 8.5 million wow players who, like myself, grew tired of its simplicity. This is one issue however that just boggles my mind. I had entire servers full of characters on wow, I'd say more than 25 characters total, from 1 to 70 and all levels between. Once you max out on a game it's alt time, and I don't know how I'll feel in a few months when I've hit the cap here in EQ2. I've already created and deleted a number of characters because I'm filled up and I've only been playing for two weeks. Some people like to try class/race combos AND NOT DELETE THEM! What a concept...Esp since this game has more combos than wow - in one faction alone. IMO, if SOE wants EQ2 to really push through to the next level on their subscriber base they are going to have to stop with this nickel and dime BS - $ for extra characters, <span style="color: #ff0000">no its for being able to play ALL SoE Titles including the Upcoming Pirats of the Burning Seas and Agency, the extra slots are a bonus</span>, $ for advent packs, <span style="color: #cc0000">They already deturmined this was a bad Idea and are not doing it anymore </span>$ for xpacs <span style="color: #cc3300">name one MMO that does not charge for Expaintions packs, heck here if you compair WoW to SoE then SoE wins because they give you ALL thier Xpacs AND the Base game for $40.00, WoW makes you spend $20 for the Base game and $40 for the xpac(and I seriously doupt in about 3 years when the next WoW expaintion comes out that they will included the current one in it)</span>...get your hands off my wallet already. I don't like a number of things about this game at the moment, but I think it is better than banging my head against a wall in Azeroth for now. I like what you've done with the place, but for goodness sake if you want me to stay ease up on the frikken extortion and let me wig out on alts till I figure out what I want to do. And for you folks defending SOE on this - they won't lose any money by letting us do this, it's not like our toons take up vast terabytes on their server. This is purely and simply a money grab. I realize you're defensive about *your* game and all, but try to be objective and call a spade a spade here. </blockquote>First off I also would love to see an addtional Caractor Slot in RoK, but like others have said its probly not going to happen. For 2 reasons 1st they just added a new slot, 2nd there are HUGE database issues with adding slots that is why it took them 2 years or so to add the slots they just added. Remember people that the game was DESIGNED to only have 4 slots per account, they then added 4 more as a bonus to station access people, they then added 2 MORE slots to all accounts so now it was 6 slots + 4 for all access(btw even if you don't have all access the now 5 all access slots are still reserved in the database for you) they then just added 1 more slot to all accounts and one to all access, so now agame that was DESIGNED around 4 slots per acount now has 3 times that amount of slots reserved for people on all accounts, yes even if you don't have station all access you ARE taking Database Resources on the slots you don't have access to... how do I know this, simple create an Sign up for all access for a month, create an 8th toon, then cancle that account, now /log <8th toon name> guess what happens YOU LOG INTO THAT TOON. Please be aware that this IS an EULA violation so if you do it just do it the once, to verify my claim and then delete this 8th toon so you don't get banned.

[Besual]

<cite>Lightstrider wrote:</cite><blockquote>These are the type of comments to which I am referring. The monthly fee is not going to go up because of an added character slot, because EQ2 must have a monthly fee that is competitive with the other games out there. Therefore, unless everyone is raising prices, you are not likely to see an increase in monthly fee. By your argument, I should be against introducing game additions like Neriak--after all, adding content might lead to an increased fee, but I have no characters who will be going to Neriak, so why should I pay for it? That said, the point is that many games offer more slots for the same price. Sony seems stingy in comparison. Therefore, those of us who want more slots are completely justified in expecting similar treatment in order to retain our business. If you don't want/need a slot, that's fine, but I believe if you took a vote of all the subscribers, you would find that most would like to see the slots increased. I read an article on MMORPG.com about how Sony has been working to improve game performance on little things in the background, to improve fps and the like. Seems like they could also work on ways to improve server storage to allow for more slots.</blockquote> People will leave the game because they have done all content and are bored. Not because they have all 7 slots filled. I've visited Neriak / Darkwood once and was done with this new stuff. And I really don't care about the arsefey. A new T7 instance (best with a choice for solo / group / raid) would be much better.

[Vatec]

ke'la wrote: <blockquote>First off I also would love to see an addtional Caractor Slot in RoK, but like others have said its probly not going to happen. For 2 reasons 1st they just added a new slot, 2nd <span style="color: #cc0000">there are HUGE database issues with adding slots</span> that is why it took them 2 years or so to add the slots they just added. Remember people that the game was DESIGNED to only have 4 slots per account, they then added 4 more as a bonus to station access people, they then added 2 MORE slots to all accounts so now it was 6 slots + 4 for all access(btw even if you don't have all access the now 5 all access slots are still reserved in the database for you) they then just added 1 more slot to all accounts and one to all access, so now agame that was DESIGNED around 4 slots per acount now has 3 times that amount of slots reserved for people on all accounts, yes even if you don't have station all access you ARE taking Database Resources on the slots you don't have access to... how do I know this, simple create an Sign up for all access for a month, create an 8th toon, then cancle that account, now /log <8th toon name> guess what happens YOU LOG INTO THAT TOON. Please be aware that this IS an EULA violation so if you do it just do it the once, to verify my claim and then delete this 8th toon so you don't get banned. </blockquote>Not if the database was designed properly in the first place.  Might it create =performance= issues?  Sure.  But so would adding 2 million subscribers.  If the database can't scale to add new subscribers, then SOE is already screwed.  If it =can=, then adding more character slots becomes trivial in comparison. Fact is, Asheron's Call had 7 slots per server and 8(?) servers.  And a =lot= more storage space on each character. EQ1 has multiple slots per server. WoW has multiple slots per server. It obviously =can= be done.  And it's really not that much to ask.  People who want multiple accounts usually want them for two-boxing, transferring lore items between characters, etc.  Getting additional slots is almost a side effect. As for the players who don't want more slots:  /boggle.  Why would you not want more slots?  Why would you not want other players to have more slots?  Why would you =care= if it doesn't affect you directly (or indirectly, for that matter).

[Jal]

So for those of us who dont want an extra slot as a freebie with the new expansion, can we get a reduced subscription plan?  Or maybe free 50 plat? I pay for station access and have only used 6 of my slots, if you're that desperate for a new slot then delete or pay up.  I dont want another slot touted as a freebie for everyone from the exp pack because for those of us who dont use them its wasted.  The best idea for a new slot is a vet reward that way its a choice to stay with the game and earn it or not.

[Faelgalad]

<p>Versatility and freedom to choose is the sign of the strong. </p><p>Blizzard: Sony = 1:0</p><p>And to the Station Access, no Vanguard in, so no way I buy Station Access. </p>

[SageGaspar]

Asarla@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>So for those of us who dont want an extra slot as a freebie with the new expansion, can we get a reduced subscription plan?  Or maybe free 50 plat? I pay for station access and have only used 6 of my slots, if you're that desperate for a new slot then delete or pay up.  I dont want another slot touted as a freebie for everyone from the exp pack because for those of us who dont use them its wasted.  The best idea for a new slot is a vet reward that way its a choice to stay with the game and earn it or not. </blockquote>For those of us that don't want a 1-20 newbie zone can we get a free 50 pp or maybe a reduced subscription plan? Ooh let's have a pay per zone and character model!!!

[Khurghan]

I could be wrong but last time I checked I'm pretty sure its actually cheaper to pay for a second EQ2 account than go with station access.

[Finora]

<cite>Khurghan wrote:</cite><blockquote>I could be wrong but last time I checked I'm pretty sure its actually cheaper to pay for a second EQ2 account than go with station access. </blockquote><p> Well, 14.99 x2 per month or 29.99 per month, comes out about the same. Except you get 14 characater slots with 2 accounts and only 12 with station access.</p><p>And honestly what is up with the people arguing against more slots? How is it going to effect you at all if you don't use it? It won't is the answer. Just like it doesn't affect people who only play 1 character that we have 7 slots available now. </p>

[Drax]

Again the Point is WE PAY for more slots. It does'nt matter if we use them or not Why should you get the same for less money? screw that. We PAY we get the privilages it's the way the world works damnit

[Apostate]

Drax Eq wrote: <blockquote>Again the Point is WE PAY for more slots. It does'nt matter if we use them or not Why should you get the same for less money? screw that. We PAY we get the privilages it's the way the world works damnit</blockquote> Yep. That's why this game has probably about 1/100 of the subscriber base of the game that gives it you for free...and to the person who quoted wow's expansion, note that expansion is singular and that EQ2 and wow came out at roughly the same time yet EQ has what, 3, 4 expacs during that time? Each at $40? Come on man, SOE loves the money and you love to give it to them. Wow has had content patches bigger than some of these expacs - for free(2.9 patch anyone?) I'm obviously very borderline on this game. I rolled my human monk in Qeynos in March of 99 and played for about four years so I'm familiar with this company, and when wow came out I literally *fled*. The problem is, wow burns out quicker because it is a much more simple game than EQ1 or EQ2. If you read the blizzard boards right now people are going crazy because they can't figure out what to do with themselves after making x amount of 70 chars and grinding through the raiding or pvp scenes. EQ2 is in a really good position to grab up these dissatisfied customers, but they have really got to rethink their avarice and knock off things like character caps and [Removed for Content] their $30 a month plan with extras for any one game. $15 a month is enough to get full feature access for any one game, Jack. I think that's cool if there are folks who actually play more than one game actively and don't mind coughing up that cash, but I don't think it's cool to offer value added crap like character slots to the deal at the expense of the average customer. While I'm on my 30-story soapbox - I appreciate that this game is complex and that there is a lot to it but for goodness sake, give us newbs better documentation out of the gate rather than having to hunt through the boards and various fan sites. I understand that it has changed significantly since launch with the updates, fundamentally in many cases, but things like the crafting system should not be as difficult to get info on as they are. I don't like resorting to zone chat or hunting on fan sites - that info should be readily available through your already robust tutorial system. Ok that's enough for now. I like your game and I want to like it more, and I think there is a very large population of gamers out there who share my point of view so I may seem like I'm just griping but I think this game could go a lot farther than it has with a few relatively minor tweaks. And if not, that's cool too because there are a few games coming down the pike(AOC, Warhammer) which I and the rest of the dissatisfied herd will gladly give our money to if they pan out.

[Besual]

I think the easiest way would add an option to buy more character slots: 2$ / month for each additional character slot. If you get 7 extra slots this way you pay almost the same as for station access or a for a 2nd account.

[Kalem]

<cite>Vatec wrote:</cite><blockquote>ke'la wrote: <blockquote>First off I also would love to see an addtional Caractor Slot in RoK, but like others have said its probly not going to happen. For 2 reasons 1st they just added a new slot, 2nd <span style="color: #cc0000">there are HUGE database issues with adding slots</span> that is why it took them 2 years or so to add the slots they just added. Remember people that the game was DESIGNED to only have 4 slots per account, they then added 4 more as a bonus to station access people, they then added 2 MORE slots to all accounts so now it was 6 slots + 4 for all access(btw even if you don't have all access the now 5 all access slots are still reserved in the database for you) they then just added 1 more slot to all accounts and one to all access, so now agame that was DESIGNED around 4 slots per acount now has 3 times that amount of slots reserved for people on all accounts, yes even if you don't have station all access you ARE taking Database Resources on the slots you don't have access to... how do I know this, simple create an Sign up for all access for a month, create an 8th toon, then cancle that account, now /log <8th toon name> guess what happens YOU LOG INTO THAT TOON. Please be aware that this IS an EULA violation so if you do it just do it the once, to verify my claim and then delete this 8th toon so you don't get banned. </blockquote>Not if the database was designed properly in the first place.  Might it create =performance= issues?  Sure.  But so would adding 2 million subscribers.  If the database can't scale to add new subscribers, then SOE is already screwed.  If it =can=, then adding more character slots becomes trivial in comparison. Fact is, Asheron's Call had 7 slots per server and 8(?) servers.  And a =lot= more storage space on each character. EQ1 has multiple slots per server. WoW has multiple slots per server. It obviously =can= be done.  And it's really not that much to ask.  People who want multiple accounts usually want them for two-boxing, transferring lore items between characters, etc.  Getting additional slots is almost a side effect. As for the players who don't want more slots:  /boggle.  Why would you not want more slots?  Why would you not want other players to have more slots?  Why would you =care= if it doesn't affect you directly (or indirectly, for that matter). </blockquote><p> I agree Vatec.  More slots is not a database issue.  It takes up space, people tend to abandon characters they're bored with, and don't delete them.  Then people cancel their accounts and move on to other games, and SOE has to store those dozens of alts someone created on a single account, just in case that person returns.  They won't delete them (although the could) because they don't want the backlash that would cause in the community.</p><p>Can it be done?  Of course.  They did it with EQ.</p><p>I do hope they give us at least 1 more character slot with the Kunark expansion.  Unlike EOF, and the Neriak update, they're introducing a race from EQ.  One which many have always wished they could play as.  Throw in the fact that the new race is in one of our beloved EQ cotenants, and well...you're going to see lots of alts...much like the froglok craze when they first came out in EQ.</p>

[SageGaspar]

Well see, now they're training you to pay for something that in my opinion should be free. If it becomes the industry standard that you pay $2 per character slot or whatever, soon enough every game that launches will be charging $2 per character slot because they can. Just like most new major MMOs have very similar monthly fees regardless of how much development or server maintenance work is going into them. Just like almost all new games come out with similar prices regardless of how much money went into development and promotion. So really, let's not have the players endorsing additional fees just because they don't feel like they need a feature. As nice as it sounds to be able to pick and choose what you'd like, the reality is as soon as they can get away with it they'll bone you with these extra fees on top of regular subscription, and they'll have the support of fans thinking that they're getting a deal for not getting the additional features.

[Besual]

You mean the character slots should be free as the 17" wheels, HIFI sound system, the navigation system or the metalic color on cars? You pay the monthly fee each month and get the basic set (aka 7 char slots). If you want more you can buy the bonus package(s) (aka aditional character slots). Nothing wrong here.

[SageGaspar]

<cite>Besual wrote:</cite><blockquote>You mean the character slots should be free as the 17" wheels, HIFI sound system, the navigation system or the metalic color on cars? You pay the monthly fee each month and get the basic set (aka 7 char slots). If you want more you can buy the bonus package(s) (aka aditional character slots). Nothing wrong here. </blockquote>Nope, I'm saying character slots should be free like a plastic fork at a drive through window (i.e. additional character slots). No wait, they should be free like rolls of toilet paper in a hotel room (i.e. additional character slots). Free as in beer? FREEEEBIIIIIRD! Oh I'm sorry, was there a point in there? I'm saying that in a game with diverse races, four starting areas, and 24 character classes, with a new race and starting area on the way, something like twelve character slots would be good as a "basic package". It allows you to experience all the content that you paid for fully. It's not like putting BERSERKER in olde english on the front of your chestplate.

[lancekortesoja]

Just to let you know, I have wiped one of my guys, heres the real question now... ASSASSIN OR WIZARD

[Syndic]

What I love the best is the OP's signature says "countless other alts"  yet here we are arguing about more character slots <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I don't mind another character slot, but as I said early doubt it will happen.  That is just the pessimist in me though. Admitted though EQ2 seems to store alot more about the character than WoW does, = more space required.  Although space really shouldn't be an issue since storage is really quite cheap these days.  I'm not a big Alt player but when I originally heard the char limits of 4 for EQ2 thought it wasn't too bad until I heard that it was NOT per server but per account.  At 7 it is getting better but I still think with 432 class/race combinations 7 doesn't cut it (unless it was 7 per server)

[Spartanspy]

<p>we will always need new slots. Despite of the game name is everquest there is an end for our characters. At end-game we go raids and all other stuff comes boring for our mains. After we finish all HQ,signature, got 100 aa and level cap; the only thing we can do for fun is new characters. Unless they give us unlimited progress for our characters every player looks like to have more than one main character.</p><p>So slots available are never enough and we will need a new slot with every new playable race or class came to the game.</p>

[ke'la]

<cite>Kalem wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vatec wrote:</cite><blockquote>ke'la wrote: <blockquote>First off I also would love to see an addtional Caractor Slot in RoK, but like others have said its probly not going to happen. For 2 reasons 1st they just added a new slot, 2nd <span style="color: #cc0000">there are HUGE database issues with adding slots</span> that is why it took them 2 years or so to add the slots they just added. Remember people that the game was DESIGNED to only have 4 slots per account, they then added 4 more as a bonus to station access people, they then added 2 MORE slots to all accounts so now it was 6 slots + 4 for all access(btw even if you don't have all access the now 5 all access slots are still reserved in the database for you) they then just added 1 more slot to all accounts and one to all access, so now agame that was DESIGNED around 4 slots per acount now has 3 times that amount of slots reserved for people on all accounts, yes even if you don't have station all access you ARE taking Database Resources on the slots you don't have access to... how do I know this, simple create an Sign up for all access for a month, create an 8th toon, then cancle that account, now /log <8th toon name> guess what happens YOU LOG INTO THAT TOON. Please be aware that this IS an EULA violation so if you do it just do it the once, to verify my claim and then delete this 8th toon so you don't get banned. </blockquote>Not if the database was designed properly in the first place.  Might it create =performance= issues?  Sure.  But so would adding 2 million subscribers.  If the database can't scale to add new subscribers, then SOE is already screwed.  If it =can=, then adding more character slots becomes trivial in comparison. Fact is, Asheron's Call had 7 slots per server and 8(?) servers.  And a =lot= more storage space on each character. EQ1 has multiple slots per server. WoW has multiple slots per server. It obviously =can= be done.  And it's really not that much to ask.  People who want multiple accounts usually want them for two-boxing, transferring lore items between characters, etc.  Getting additional slots is almost a side effect. As for the players who don't want more slots:  /boggle.  Why would you not want more slots?  Why would you not want other players to have more slots?  Why would you =care= if it doesn't affect you directly (or indirectly, for that matter). </blockquote><p> I agree Vatec.  More slots is not a database issue.  It takes up space, people tend to abandon characters they're bored with, and don't delete them.  Then people cancel their accounts and move on to other games, and SOE has to store those dozens of alts someone created on a single account, just in case that person returns.  They won't delete them (although the could) because they don't want the backlash that would cause in the community.</p><p>Can it be done?  Of course.  They did it with EQ.</p><p>I do hope they give us at least 1 more character slot with the Kunark expansion.  Unlike EOF, and the Neriak update, they're introducing a race from EQ.  One which many have always wished they could play as.  Throw in the fact that the new race is in one of our beloved EQ cotenants, and well...you're going to see lots of alts...much like the froglok craze when they first came out in EQ.</p></blockquote>I am so glad you guys know so much more about how EQ2 is design then it's Senior Producer, who has stated REPEATEDLY that the reason we have trouble giving more slots is because of Technical issues it take alot of time to work them out and as such when they can do it they will add more slots. What you guys again don't seem to realize is WoW was DESIGNED with 10 players per Server In mind on the otherhand EQ2 was DESIGNED to allow 4 slots per Account PERIOD. There is a HUGE differance there, basicly what you are asking is for SoE to turn a Mini Cooper into a Van, and then claiming that its very easy and will cause no problems what so ever. BTW, last I checked WoW has not added a single Caractor slot, while SoE has added 8 total you can't tell me that adding 8 caractor slots to a game does not cause technical issues.

[SageGaspar]

ke'la wrote: <blockquote>I am so glad you guys know so much more about how EQ2 is design then it's Senior Producer, who has stated REPEATEDLY that the reason we have trouble giving more slots is because of Technical issues it take alot of time to work them out and as such when they can do it they will add more slots. What you guys again don't seem to realize is WoW was DESIGNED with 10 players per Server In mind on the otherhand EQ2 was DESIGNED to allow 4 slots per Account PERIOD. There is a HUGE differance there, basicly what you are asking is for SoE to turn a Mini Cooper into a Van, and then claiming that its very easy and will cause no problems what so ever. BTW, last I checked WoW has not added a single Caractor slot, while SoE has added 8 total you can't tell me that adding 8 caractor slots to a game does not cause technical issues. </blockquote>Conveniently enough if you pay them $15 extra per month they turn your mini cooper into a van instantly! Funny how waving some money at them resolves the technical issues on a case-by-case basis. I'm actually one of the few SoE fans and I wouldn't drop station access even if they did increase slots in EQ2. Having said that I'm just curious why anyone would argue so vehemently against adding more character slots for some theoretical technical issue that may or may not cause it to be problematic for the people that we pay to code the game. Some people draw the line at abortion or biological warfare. For others, it's extra character slots; no further. So I salute you, brave car analogists! Pop your clutch, shift to second gear, and climb up that long, lonesome hill towards fewer character slots! May your rear spoiler never fail to keep your Camry firmly on the ground as you corner your way to freedom from alts. May your running lights illuminate the rest of us in our quest for true forum enlightenment.

[ke'la]

<cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote>ke'la wrote: <blockquote>I am so glad you guys know so much more about how EQ2 is design then it's Senior Producer, who has stated REPEATEDLY that the reason we have trouble giving more slots is because of Technical issues it take alot of time to work them out and as such when they can do it they will add more slots. What you guys again don't seem to realize is WoW was DESIGNED with 10 players per Server In mind on the otherhand EQ2 was DESIGNED to allow 4 slots per Account PERIOD. There is a HUGE differance there, basicly what you are asking is for SoE to turn a Mini Cooper into a Van, and then claiming that its very easy and will cause no problems what so ever. BTW, last I checked WoW has not added a single Caractor slot, while SoE has added 8 total you can't tell me that adding 8 caractor slots to a game does not cause technical issues. </blockquote>Conveniently enough if you pay them $15 extra per month they turn your mini cooper into a van instantly! Funny how waving some money at them resolves the technical issues on a case-by-case basis. I'm actually one of the few SoE fans and I wouldn't drop station access even if they did increase slots in EQ2. Having said that I'm just curious why anyone would argue so vehemently against adding more character slots for some theoretical technical issue that may or may not cause it to be problematic for the people that we pay to code the game. Some people draw the line at abortion or biological warfare. For others, it's extra character slots; no further. So I salute you, brave car analogists! Pop your clutch, shift to second gear, and climb up that long, lonesome hill towards fewer character slots! May your rear spoiler never fail to keep your Camry firmly on the ground as you corner your way to freedom from alts. May your running lights illuminate the rest of us in our quest for true forum enlightenment. </blockquote><p>Oviously you are being willfully ignorant as if you had read my previous post you would have seen two VERY importiant pieces of information.</p><p>First, I WANT MORE SLOTS TOO!!!</p><p>Second, even if you don't pay the extra 15$ you are using the resouces of 12 caractor slot, thats way people can exploit and log into thiere 12th toon even if they don't have station all access.</p><p>Like I said befor I am QUOTING THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE GAME when I say that there are technical issues with adding slots and that have been working to overcome those issues, and like I said befor name me another game that has tripled the number of caractors available to players, that has not has technical problems as a result. The game was DESIGNED for 4 slots, in now allows 12 Slots, it was Designed to be a Mini Cooper, it is now a Van, and people think that SoE can snap thier fingers and turn it into a Bus but they can't. Once the technical Issues are over come with adding more slots I am shure SoE will add them as ~8 slots is the norm for MMOs though I would like to see eventually a base of 10 and having 15 with all access(no I was not a fan of them adding 1 for everyone and one for all access IMO it should have been 2 for everyone and 0 for all access, and yes I am an All Access Subcriber) </p>

[Dragowulf]

Well what we currently have seems to be enough but if you not satisfied get station players or get a new account.  They just added a slot so I wouldn't be looking forward to another slot anytime soon. I am definitely for a new slot, but I think what it is now is a lot.  If I run out of Character Slots I will probably get a 2nd account and pay $30 than invest time in asking for one when it happend recently. Hey it's like your friend giving you some of his food, but what he gives you is little and you say "that's it?" and throw a fit.  And he replies "some is better than none!" <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Example: Id rather have 7 or 8 slots than 5 or 6 slots that's for sure! And I'd rather have some more than none. But I'm all for new slots but I'm not going to complain with what we got. drago.

[Jeger_Wulf]

<p>> Like I said befor I am QUOTING THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE GAME when > I say that there are technical issues with adding slots and that have been > working to overcome those issues</p><p>The technical issues can not have to do with storage - it's way too cheap. It would have been stupid to hard-code four characters into the game anywhere, but assuming they did, they undoubtably fixed it on the way to seven. The only issue I can see that I might call "technical" is displaying the characters on the character select screen. </p><p>Probably the issue, then, is re-coding the launcher. It's not as simple as you might think - especially if you allow a large number of toons per server. It's very doable, though.</p>

[Vonotar]

<cite>Jeger_Wulf wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>> Like I said befor I am QUOTING THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE GAME when > I say that there are technical issues with adding slots and that have been > working to overcome those issues</p><p>The technical issues can not have to do with storage - it's way too cheap. It would have been stupid to hard-code four characters into the game anywhere, but assuming they did, they undoubtably fixed it on the way to seven. The only issue I can see that I might call "technical" is displaying the characters on the character select screen. </p><p>Probably the issue, then, is re-coding the launcher. It's not as simple as you might think - especially if you allow a large number of toons per server. It's very doable, though.</p></blockquote> It has been stated that the launcher is the issue as apparently this belongs to a different division of SoE.

[Finora]

<hr /> <i>Since we're getting a new race, will we get another character slot? </i>Scott Hartsman says they'd like to, but that decision involves the Station and it gets into lawyers and contracts. It's not that it's impossible, but it's time consuming and prohibitive <hr />I still want more char slots though =p. Bring on the lawyers! Gimme more room!

[Leatherneck]

<cite>Darq wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seirrah@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><p>It's the classic "give an inch, take a mile."</p></blockquote> no it's not </blockquote><p> Actually that's exactly what it is.</p><p>"You guys get 4 character slots".</p><p>later...</p><p>"We want more slots!!!!!!!!!!!"</p><p>"Ok, you get 6 slots."</p><p>later...</p><p>"We want more slots OMG you're so stingy!!!!!!!"</p><p>"Ok, you get 7 slots."</p><p>later...</p><p>"OMG WE NEED 8 SLOTS.  SOE JUST WANTS OUR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"</p>

[rumblepants]

They gave us the extra slot just players can create Arasai, correct? I don't see why another one won't happen for the Sarnak race.

[lancekortesoja]

I don't understand why your yelling at blah blah lag, we do play 15 dolalrs a much

[Lightstrider]

I'm not holding my breath.  They didn't give us a new slot when they introduced the Fae, so it's not like it's automatic.  Wish they would, though.

[Dendro]

<cite>Finora wrote:</cite><blockquote><hr /> <i>Since we're getting a new race, will we get another character slot? </i>Scott Hartsman says they'd like to, but that decision involves the Station and it gets into lawyers and contracts. It's not that it's impossible, but it's time consuming and prohibitive <hr />I still want more char slots though =p. Bring on the lawyers! Gimme more room!</blockquote> Agreed--this is not at all a technical issue, its a marketing issue.  Each alt takes what, 10kB? 20kB? Even if it took 1MB per alt, you can sign up for an email account that has a couple GB of storage space, enough to store a thousand alts, for free as long as the email provider is in business.

[Darq]

<cite>Apostate wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think EQ2 made enough progress since launch that it is now in the position to steal away some of the 8.5 million wow players who, like myself, grew tired of its simplicity. This is one issue however that just boggles my mind. I had entire servers full of characters on wow, I'd say more than 25 characters total, from 1 to 70 and all levels between. Once you max out on a game it's alt time, and I don't know how I'll feel in a few months when I've hit the cap here in EQ2. I've already created and deleted a number of characters because I'm filled up and I've only been playing for two weeks. Some people like to try class/race combos AND NOT DELETE THEM! What a concept...Esp since this game has more combos than wow - in one faction alone. IMO, if SOE wants EQ2 to really push through to the next level on their subscriber base they are going to have to stop with this nickel and dime BS - $ for extra characters, $ for advent packs, $ for xpacs...get your hands off my wallet already. I don't like a number of things about this game at the moment, but I think it is better than banging my head against a wall in Azeroth for now. I like what you've done with the place, but for goodness sake if you want me to stay ease up on the frikken extortion and let me wig out on alts till I figure out what I want to do. And for you folks defending SOE on this - they won't lose any money by letting us do this, it's not like our toons take up vast terabytes on their server. This is purely and simply a money grab. I realize you're defensive about *your* game and all, but try to be objective and call a spade a spade here. </blockquote> heh you don't know who you're subscribed to <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ke'la]

<cite>rumblepants79 wrote:</cite><blockquote>They gave us the extra slot just players can create Arasai, correct? I don't see why another one won't happen for the Sarnak race.</blockquote>They didn't give us a New slot for the Fae though so I don't see why they will give it to us either.

[ke'la]

<cite>Dendro wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Finora wrote:</cite><blockquote><hr /><i>Since we're getting a new race, will we get another character slot? </i>Scott Hartsman says they'd like to, but that decision involves the Station and it gets into lawyers and contracts. It's not that it's impossible, but it's time consuming and prohibitive <hr />I still want more char slots though =p. Bring on the lawyers! Gimme more room!</blockquote> Agreed--this is not at all a technical issue, its a marketing issue.  Each alt takes what, 10kB? 20kB? Even if it took 1MB per alt, you can sign up for an email account that has a couple GB of storage space, enough to store a thousand alts, for free as long as the email provider is in business. </blockquote> You know there is FAR more Technology involved in even a single player game then just STORAGE. What your saying is "Storage is Cheap" so I should be able to play Crysis on my 486 because I have enough STORAGE to hold it. Granted that is an extreem exsample but you should get my point. "Techical" issues could mean ANYTHING that has to do with the game.

[cronar]

<p>My disgruntled friends loved to call them $oE. I am like the lone survivor of my eq1 pack. Most have left soe games for greener pastuers in their eyes.</p><p>I agree that soe is in business to make money, but you make more money with good customer service and granting such simple requests.</p><p>It would have been an entirely different argument had soe not started out with eq1 that let you play 8 characters per server with no limit. People have been with soe a long time and they know when soe is not making any sense.</p><p>It is impossible to appease all people all the time, but in a case such as this with character slot, it should be a rather easy solution. Open up more leniancy with the slots, because extra slots should NOT be a selling point fo station access. Multiple game access is the lone selling point for it.</p><p>Smed knows I'm right. He just won't admit it. </p><p>as a side note, if you were willing to part with an extra 15 bucks and DONT play any other games, get an extra normal subscription, as others have mentioned. You pay the same price as a station account but end up with 2 additional character slots.</p>

[ke'la]

Danger@Guk wrote: <blockquote><p>My disgruntled friends loved to call them $oE. I am like the lone survivor of my eq1 pack. Most have left soe games for greener pastuers in their eyes.</p><p>I agree that soe is in business to make money, but you make more money with good customer service and granting such simple requests.</p><p>It would have been an entirely different argument had soe not started out with eq1 that let you play 8 characters per server with no limit. People have been with soe a long time and they know when soe is not making any sense.</p><p><span style="color: #cc0000">Well consitering SWG sold so well at launch, with only 1 slot per server, and it came out after EQ1 they could have been going by that as the exsample. The fact remains that EQ2 was designed to have 4 slots per account, they have sence added 8 available slots a 300% increase in the number of slots that are required to be available per acount. Again even though you "can't" access that slot still takes system resources of a full slot. </span></p><p>It is impossible to appease all people all the time, but in a case such as this with character slot, it should be a rather easy solution. Open up more leniancy with the slots, because extra slots should NOT be a selling point fo station access. Multiple game access is the lone selling point for it.</p><p><span style="color: #cc0000">I have said it many times the Devs of EQ2 WANT to add slots, many of them have maxed out thier available Caractor Slots too. But for Technical reasons they can't. When they can solve those issues then they will add slots again.</span></p><p>Smed knows I'm right. He just won't admit it. </p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">as a side note, if you were willing to part with an extra 15 bucks and DONT play any other games, get an extra normal subscription, as others have mentioned. You pay the same price as a station account but end up with 2 additional character slots.</span></p></blockquote><span style="color: #0000ff">Not only that but it also gives you the ablity to Hydra or 2 Box depending on what you want to call it, so 2 more slots then All Access, the ablity to "2-box" (even if its only to have Druid/Sorc Ports) defintly makes having 2 Accounts the way to go if you don't play other SoE games.</span>

[Dendro]

ke'la wrote: <blockquote><span style="color: #cc0000">I have said it many times the Devs of EQ2 WANT to add slots, many of them have maxed out thier available Caractor Slots too. But for Technical reasons they can't. When they can solve those issues then they will add slots again.</span> </blockquote> No, it is <i>not </i>a technical limitation, it is a marketing limitation.

[Lightstrider]

<p>I thought SWG was stingy when they came out with so few slots, but it is also true that they had fewer races to pick from, and their progression system was different, so you could argue that there was less of a crying need for slots than in a game with vast races and character classes.  Trust me, I in no way mean to defent SWG on any grounds, but there it is.  </p><p>I know the devs have made claims that there are technical issues.  And I am not a programmer, so I don't KNOW if their argument holds water or not.  But I don't believe it.  Feels...manipulative.  Maybe I do them a disservice, but that's how I feel about it.</p>

[ke'la]

<cite>Dendro wrote:</cite><blockquote>ke'la wrote: <blockquote><span style="color: #cc0000">I have said it many times the Devs of EQ2 WANT to add slots, many of them have maxed out thier available Caractor Slots too. But for Technical reasons they can't. When they can solve those issues then they will add slots again.</span> </blockquote> No, it is <i>not </i>a technical limitation, it is a marketing limitation. </blockquote> You know with the number of posters that know every inch of the code in the game, its a wonder that SoE has to pay people to Devlope the game for them, seeing as there is such a glut of experts on the programing this game. You know I find it odd that SoE now offers only one less caractor per server as WoW for free and 12 total(and like I said befor even if you don't have all access YOU ARE USING THE RESOURCES OF 12 SLOTS) and has NEVER increased the number of slots available Per Server yet they are not trying to cheat thier players, same with every other MMO with an 8 Caractor Per Server limit, and don't give me the but I can create on other servers stuff because you can do the same with EQ2, just change shards. Also who says it has anything to do with the playablity of the game itself it could be an Issue with the launcher (wich the EQ2 Dev team has little control over).

[ke'la]

<cite>Lightstrider wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I thought SWG was stingy when they came out with so few slots, but it is also true that they had fewer races to pick from, and their progression system was different, so you could argue that there was less of a crying need for slots than in a game with vast races and character classes.  Trust me, I in no way mean to defent SWG on any grounds, but there it is.  </p><p>I know the devs have made claims that there are technical issues.  And I am not a programmer, so I don't KNOW if their argument holds water or not.  But I don't believe it.  Feels...manipulative.  Maybe I do them a disservice, but that's how I feel about it.</p></blockquote>You know SWG added 2 Races with thier Jump to Lightspeed addtion, these two races had major bonuses to the two new proffestions in the game "Pilot and Shipwright" that no current caractor had, yet they did not add a slot per server for that again for Technical Reasons. Being that there was a MAJOR outcry over that I would say that whatever the Technical Limitation is in the SoE systems that limit adding caractor slots it is real and a major issue with all the dev teams.

[Nolrog]

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote>Danger@Guk wrote:<blockquote><p>My disgruntled friends loved to call them $oE. I am like the lone survivor of my eq1 pack. Most have left soe games for greener pastuers in their eyes.</p><p>I agree that soe is in business to make money, but you make more money with good customer service and granting such simple requests.</p><p>It would have been an entirely different argument had soe not started out with eq1 that let you play 8 characters per server with no limit. People have been with soe a long time and they know when soe is not making any sense.</p><p><span style="color: #cc0000;">Well consitering SWG sold so well at launch, with only 1 slot per server, and it came out after EQ1 they could have been going by that as the exsample. The fact remains that EQ2 was <b>designed to have 4 slots per account, they have sence added 8 available slots a 300% increase in the number of slots that are required to be available per acount.</b> Again even though you "can't" access that slot still takes system resources of a full slot. </span></p></blockquote><span style="color: #0000ff;">Not only that but it also gives you the ablity to Hydra or 2 Box depending on what you want to call it, so 2 more slots then All Access, the ablity to "2-box" (even if its only to have Druid/Sorc Ports) defintly makes having 2 Accounts the way to go if you don't play other SoE games.</span></blockquote><p>Quoting is a bit messed up, so I'm not entirely sure who I'm replying to.  </p><p>Technically speaking, it's a 200% increase in the number of character slots.  If you had 4 and now you had 12 you can have either 300% of the character slots you did originally, or a 200% increase (which both mean the same thing.)</p>

[Lightstrider]

<p>Maybe it is a real limitation...again, I do not know, I make no claims to being a programmer.  But it still feels wrong to me.  And if it is a real limitation...why?  Why design the game in such a way that you will appear stingier than other games?  True, you can play on Test or on Euro...if you have insane hard drive space, since you have to basically download the entire game again in order to do that.  I don't have that space.  If I played WOW, I could have characters on multiple servers without having to waste that space--I played it on a 15 day trial, and I had characters on multiple servers no problem.  The same was true of EQ1--I had characters across multiple servers without an additional impact to hard drive space.  When you put out a game with the slot limitations SOE has, you cannot help but appear stingy by comparison.  Maybe it is a real issue, but to most people, they won't see that--they just see less slots.  And in business, appearances can be everything.  Which is why it doesn't make sense to me to have created the difficulty in the first place.</p><p>Maybe because the graphics are better they encounter different limitations.  So I wonder:  are there games with equivalently complex graphics that offer more character slots?  I only play EQ2, so I don't know the answer.</p>

[Myst]

<p>Id agree the slots arent enough for people who like to experiment with characters, besides deleting them all the time.</p><p> It was good to see they added 1-2 slots for account/station access acounts but really when they keep adding playable races and classes as the game improves some kind of change is required.</p><p>I dont mind removing a low level one, but Id think ppl with a bunch of high levels would appreciate the room for more.  I have 3 accounts but I dont pay for the other 2 all the time, Its been wasteful for me.</p><p> I say keep the conversation going in various places.  The ppl upstairs will hear about it enough times to make a reasonable argument.</p>

[DerykRenaln]

<p>Here's my vote for an additional character slot! What with the amount of quests I've completed for alot of my toons; and especially the special holiday events and such...I'd sure be hard pressed to delete a toon and would not at all on the latter.We (us altaholics, in truth) REALLY could use another slot and it would not hurt anything and would not have to force SOE to raise the price of subscription; which the very idea whomever first suggested it...is just ludicrous.Just my two-coppers worth.<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Gungo]

Few thing sreally fast for the umptinth billion time.1) you just got a character slot less then 3 months ago, seriously2) you get plenty of slots, including EU server, and test3) To many character per server region causes database issues.... How? well remeber the lag after the borker multi account fix, it only effected multiple account servers. and the game producer said tii does =p4) Station pass is now what 4 free slots? pick up the station pass make 4 new characters. Cancel it the next month and use /camp (character name) and you can get 4 more character instead of paying for them through station access.5) These threads are annoying when they happen everytime SOE already just gave us a free slot. Not that i dont think 8 is a good number, but i know when we get 8 another annoying thread will pop up saying we need 10 or 12 or 24 or 36, etc. 6) Even after given 15 options some [Removed for Content] is just goign to cry he doesnt like the 15 options he is given and he wants it his way or he will leave.7) Don't you think these stupid lists are annoying?8.) this is how i feel everytime i see these annoying threads9) If you don't like this list you don't have to read it.10) o yes i knew that one was coming.

[Wingrider01]

<cite>Vatec wrote:</cite><blockquote>ke'la wrote:<blockquote>First off I also would love to see an addtional Caractor Slot in RoK, but like others have said its probly not going to happen. For 2 reasons 1st they just added a new slot, 2nd <span style="color: #cc0000;">there are HUGE database issues with adding slots</span> that is why it took them 2 years or so to add the slots they just added. Remember people that the game was DESIGNED to only have 4 slots per account, they then added 4 more as a bonus to station access people, they then added 2 MORE slots to all accounts so now it was 6 slots + 4 for all access(btw even if you don't have all access the now 5 all access slots are still reserved in the database for you) they then just added 1 more slot to all accounts and one to all access, so now agame that was DESIGNED around 4 slots per acount now has 3 times that amount of slots reserved for people on all accounts, yes even if you don't have station all access you ARE taking Database Resources on the slots you don't have access to... how do I know this, simple create an Sign up for all access for a month, create an 8th toon, then cancle that account, now /log <8th toon name> guess what happens YOU LOG INTO THAT TOON. Please be aware that this IS an EULA violation so if you do it just do it the once, to verify my claim and then delete this 8th toon so you don't get banned.</blockquote>Not if the database was designed properly in the first place.  Might it create =performance= issues?  Sure.  But so would adding 2 million subscribers.  If the database can't scale to add new subscribers, then SOE is already screwed.  If it =can=, then adding more character slots becomes trivial in comparison.Fact is, Asheron's Call had 7 slots per server and 8(?) servers.  And a =lot= more storage space on each character.EQ1 has multiple slots per server.WoW has multiple slots per server.It obviously =can= be done.  And it's really not that much to ask.  People who want multiple accounts usually want them for two-boxing, transferring lore items between characters, etc.  Getting additional slots is almost a side effect.As for the players who don't want more slots:  /boggle.  Why would you not want more slots?  Why would you not want other players to have more slots?  Why would you =care= if it doesn't affect you directly (or indirectly, for that matter).</blockquote><p>1. EQ1 utilized a flat file technology for it;s information</p><p>2. This is not WoW/Asherons call/ LOTR/ any other game you want to name - who cares if they gives you 6000 characters per account, if you want that then play the game</p><p>3. Yes it can be done, they have done it before, they may do it again, but this is no requirement to have it down. Personally I would love to see another 2 slots added to regualr accounts, that means as a station access subscriber we will see 4 slots. </p><p>Glad to know that you understand the underlying structure of the data warehouse that the game uses to make the flat statement that it can be trival to add more slots.</p>

[donmalkav2]

<p>would love extra slots slots too and i wish it was like EQ I but it is not <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>but i saw someone say it is better to have 2 accounts rather that station if you dont play other games, but it is not cause then when new stuff comes out you get stuck paying for the new stuff for 2 accounts not 1, that is why i cant get RoK for my 2nd account, only for my station account and GFs account. will have to wait til later for back up account</p>

[Gladiia]

Something or other to do with the laucher.  They are supposedly working on a change that will allow more slots in a simple manner.  Somthing along those lines.  That's what I read anyway.  Do I believe it?  Hell, why not.  They may be a greedy company (what company isn't...honestly now), but they don't hate us. 

[Bronadui]

<span style="color: #009900;">Yep yep, new character slot to try out a Sarnak would be super handy.There are 24 classes in the game and a regular account has 7 slots;So lots of fun still to be had with an 8th slot <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span>

[erogoeller]

<cite>Gungo@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Few thing sreally fast for the umptinth billion time.1) you just got a character slot less then 3 months ago, seriously2) you get plenty of slots, including EU server, and test3) To many character per server region causes database issues.... How? well remeber the lag after the borker multi account fix, it only effected multiple account servers. and the game producer said tii does =p4) Station pass is now what 4 free slots? pick up the station pass make 4 new characters. Cancel it the next month and use /camp (character name) and you can get 4 more character instead of paying for them through station access.5) These threads are annoying when they happen everytime SOE already just gave us a free slot. Not that i dont think 8 is a good number, but i know when we get 8 another annoying thread will pop up saying we need 10 or 12 or 24 or 36, etc. 6) Even after given 15 options some [Removed for Content] is just goign to cry he doesnt like the 15 options he is given and he wants it his way or he will leave.7) Don't you think these stupid lists are annoying?8.) this is how i feel everytime i see these annoying threads9) If you don't like this list you don't have to read it.10) o yes i knew that one was coming.</blockquote><p>These threads are annoying ?</p><p>why do you read them then ?</p><p>And yes I whant a new char slot for rok, cant delete any toon and I whant to check out the lower lvl stuff.</p>

[baddog]

for those saying we can't have more slots because of a 'data base issue'  ... funny how it miraculously disappears , when you upgrade to station access <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />

[Wingrider01]

<cite>baddog wrote:</cite><blockquote>for those saying we can't have more slots because of a 'data base issue'  ... funny how it miraculously disappears , when you upgrade to station access <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />"></blockquote>Probably because it was pre-allocated when it was in the planning stages, it has always been a advertised perk of station access.

[Gladiia]

<cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>baddog wrote:</cite><blockquote>for those saying we can't have more slots because of a 'data base issue'  ... funny how it miraculously disappears , when you upgrade to station access <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />"></blockquote>Probably because it was pre-allocated when it was in the planning stages, it has always been a advertised perk of station access. </blockquote>The last 'official' response I read buried in the forums somewhere is that one day there will be plenty more slots - I think I read that right.

[Ookami-san]

<cite>dieschatten wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why you need all Class / race combos?7 Slots is more than enough. </blockquote>What an absurd comment!<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  You need a minimum of 9 slots if you plan to have one of each tradeskiller... which I do.  To think people would never need more than 7 is extremely short sighted and narrow minded.  I've had to spread my tradeskillers across two accounts.... which is nice because I can two box now... but it's REALLY hard to two box tradeskilling.

[Gladiia]

<cite>Ookami-san wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dieschatten wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why you need all Class / race combos?7 Slots is more than enough. </blockquote>What an absurd comment!<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  You need a minimum of 9 slots if you plan to have one of each tradeskiller... which I do.  To think people would never need more than 7 is extremely short sighted and narrow minded.  I've had to spread my tradeskillers across two accounts.... which is nice because I can two box now... ***but it's REALLY hard to two box tradeskilling.***</blockquote>rofl

[Gungo]

<cite>erogoeller wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gungo@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Few thing sreally fast for the umptinth billion time.1) you just got a character slot less then 3 months ago, seriously2) you get plenty of slots, including EU server, and test3) To many character per server region causes database issues.... How? well remeber the lag after the borker multi account fix, it only effected multiple account servers. and the game producer said tii does =p4) Station pass is now what 4 free slots? pick up the station pass make 4 new characters. Cancel it the next month and use /camp (character name) and you can get 4 more character instead of paying for them through station access.5) These threads are annoying when they happen everytime SOE already just gave us a free slot. Not that i dont think 8 is a good number, but i know when we get 8 another annoying thread will pop up saying we need 10 or 12 or 24 or 36, etc. 6) Even after given 15 options some [Removed for Content] is just goign to cry he doesnt like the 15 options he is given and he wants it his way or he will leave.7) Don't you think these stupid lists are annoying?8.) this is how i feel everytime i see these annoying threads9) If you don't like this list you don't have to read it.10) o yes i knew that one was coming.</blockquote><p>These threads are annoying ?</p><p>why do you read them then ?</p><p>And yes I whant a new char slot for rok, cant delete any toon and I whant to check out the lower lvl stuff.</p></blockquote>I guess you missed number 9 on the list.If my list is annoying you why do you read it?