Fire scroll bearers

[yellowbelly08]

<p>K so Onyx has got hold of Firescrolls or something from EH. Which in pvp hit me for 2k instant <with high heat reasist> then tick at similar insane lvls. Just like the old god abilities that one shotted us these need to be toned down in pvp quickly pls. I am not knocking Onyx for using them tbh they are using something in the game and show brains but when Brokensword can kill me in 3 secs before evac with it its gotta be changed.</p><p>Galoro</p>

[Ibunubi]

Well, it could hit you for twice as much with its PvE value.

[songsta]

HAHA what are these items you speak of and where can i aquire them...and whats the recast lol

[yellowbelly08]

<p>What is its pve value Pett?. Whatever it is im guessing its not changed for pvp. The logs dont lie it seriously hit me for v near 2k with high heat resist.</p><p>Galoro</p>

[Ibunubi]

<p>Um, try this...</p><p>aITEM -372298567 -1577475185:Scroll of Fire Seeds/a</p><p>I don't remember what it is. I think 10 minute recast. If it hits for that much in PvP, then it should be reduced a bit in damage. Anyone that raids should be able to get them by now.</p>

[Pherra]

It's nerfed for PvP damage, and it's on a timer, it's nowhere near like god abilities that everyone can get. Please don't complain about something that exiles can get while you are sporting a full set of gear that equals what it takes most of us months to get through hard-core raiding.

[EQ2Playa432]

<cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's nerfed for PvP damage, and it's on a timer, it's nowhere near like god abilities that everyone can get. </blockquote>BARELY nerfed for pvp damage. 2.5k with 1k every 3 seconds is way overpowered in pvp.

[Simera]

Kalian@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's nerfed for PvP damage, and it's on a timer, it's nowhere near like god abilities that everyone can get. </blockquote>BARELY nerfed for pvp damage. 2.5k with 1k every 3 seconds is way overpowered in pvp. </blockquote> Specially when two or three people hit you with it at the same time..cause it stacks. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Pherra]

Kalian@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's nerfed for PvP damage, and it's on a timer, it's nowhere near like god abilities that everyone can get. </blockquote>BARELY nerfed for pvp damage. 2.5k with 1k every 3 seconds is way overpowered in pvp. </blockquote> So is PvP gear, exiles finally get something (that everyone can get remind you), and the factions come flying out of the works crying up a storm.

[EQ2Playa432]

This is an item that does a guaranteed ~8k in 18 seconds. With a 0.5 second cast and nothing else that you need to do to maintain the damage, it's more overpowered the pvp gear...

[Pherra]

Kalian@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>This is an item that does a guaranteed ~8k in 18 seconds. With a 0.5 second cast and nothing else that you need to do to maintain the damage, it's more overpowered the pvp gear... </blockquote> Guess what, PvP gear has no recast timer ^_^ Go raid a zone and you can nuke your way to complete bliss, you won't accomplish anything by complaining on the forums.

[Simera]

<p>I fail to see what this has to do with faction? As you said it's a spell anyone can get. It's just a bit overpowered in pvp atm. You sound like bitter over pvp gear..I'll hasten to point out..it's no one in this thread's fault. </p>

[Pherra]

Safia@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>I fail to see what this has to do with faction? As you said it's a spell anyone can get. It's just a bit overpowered in pvp atm. You sound like bitter over pvp gear..I'll hasten to point out..it's no one in this thread's fault. </p></blockquote> It has nothing to do with faction, maybe if you actually had a brain you'd be able to figure out what I meant. Anybody can get this item, all you have to do is raid for it, if you don't want to raid that's your fault. Same premise with PvP gear, if you don't want to be on a faction, you don't get the gear. All it takes to balance out the playing field is a trip to Emerald Halls.

[EQ2Playa432]

It's true it's not our faults, but we are being blamed for whining about it. I know exiles need some pvp incentives, and hell why not give them pvp gear with double the tokens and money needed? Bottomline, that item needs to be nerfed more in pvp.

[Simera]

<p>You go ahead and keep it Pherra..obviously you need it very badly. *smile*</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

Seriously Though, Is exiling that bad that you guys complain about PvP Gear like mad. I mean Exile guilds are the only ones on PvP servers that can get the full raid gear at this point in time. I mean you are PvE guilds more or less...So why would you get PvP gear. I mean tell me which Q or Freep only guild that can kill avatars or kill all of EH. It can't be done with just one side at this point. I would gladly forfeit my way to get PvP gear If I could do all the raid zones that a blue server guild can. Sorry You can't have every.

[CresentBlade]

<cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>Kalian@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's nerfed for PvP damage, and it's on a timer, it's nowhere near like god abilities that everyone can get. </blockquote>BARELY nerfed for pvp damage. 2.5k with 1k every 3 seconds is way overpowered in pvp. </blockquote> So is PvP gear, exiles finally get something (that everyone can get remind you), and the factions come flying out of the works crying up a storm. </blockquote>Everyone can get PvP gear they just have to pick a side, if you chose not to pick a side then it is your fault you do not get PvP armor. /boggle

[Pherra]

Safia@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>You go ahead and keep it Pherra..obviously you need it very badly. *smile*</p></blockquote> Obviously not, this is just another case of someone complaining about stuff to carebear up the PvP some more, you are in just some noob guild who couldn't PvP their way out of a wet paper bag though *smile* And to the dude above me, this isn't above PvP gear, please read the subject, thanks!

[Back]

<cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>Safia@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>You go ahead and keep it Pherra..obviously you need it very badly. *smile*</p></blockquote> Obviously not, this is just another case of someone complaining about stuff to carebear up the PvP some more, you are in just some noob guild who couldn't PvP their way out of a wet paper bag though *smile* And to the dude above me, this isn't above PvP gear, please read the subject, thanks! </blockquote><p>Well... If we are some noob guild that can't pvp our way out of a wet paper bag.... Why did your WHOLE x4 evac from our guild last night (Need i mention you abandoned some to die)? And umm... Why did you group of 6 zone hop today from our group of 5 until you had a group of Church of Steel join in to help you? Hrrm? </p><p>    This is about an Item that doesn't scale in PVP, not about guilds, But if you want to bring them into it... Well *snicker* I can do that. </p>

[EQ2Playa432]

Backed@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>Safia@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>You go ahead and keep it Pherra..obviously you need it very badly. *smile*</p></blockquote> Obviously not, this is just another case of someone complaining about stuff to carebear up the PvP some more, you are in just some noob guild who couldn't PvP their way out of a wet paper bag though *smile* And to the dude above me, this isn't above PvP gear, please read the subject, thanks! </blockquote><p>    This is about an Item that doesn't scale in PVP </p></blockquote>Before they flame ya, it  is scaled in pvp but barely.

[Pherra]

Backed@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>Safia@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>You go ahead and keep it Pherra..obviously you need it very badly. *smile*</p></blockquote> Obviously not, this is just another case of someone complaining about stuff to carebear up the PvP some more, you are in just some noob guild who couldn't PvP their way out of a wet paper bag though *smile* And to the dude above me, this isn't above PvP gear, please read the subject, thanks! </blockquote><p>Well... If we are some noob guild that can't pvp our way out of a wet paper bag.... Why did your WHOLE x4 evac from our guild last night (Need i mention you abandoned some to die)? And umm... Why did you group of 6 zone hop today from our group of 5 until you had a group of Church of Steel join in to help you? Hrrm? </p><p>    This is about an Item that doesn't scale in PVP, not about guilds, But if you want to bring them into it... Well *snicker* I can do that. </p></blockquote> What guild am I in excatly? And who even said I was exile? Sorry, but you're guild is horrible, which is why you justify nerfing all items you can't obtain *snicker* The Kelian dude is right, they are scaled by the way!

[Dalwar]

Just nerf the items that make people more lame in pvp there where before ;/

[eu]

Its a DOT a very long ticking DOT its not garunteed to do hardly any damage if you cure it. I got the first ones on the server and tested it on Loli a conjuror. I hit him and let it tick the full duration which is like 18 seconds and it took about half his health. I am sure if I had really high int it would affect it though. It isn't a one shot by any means . Look it up, read it and you will see that it is easily counterable.

[jam3]

the same 3 people use this item from onyx raabe, odawnus and sonne. really could careless about the people using just the fact that it can kill anyone pretty fast and should be scaled smaller then it already is in pvp.

[xfbishop]

<cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>Backed@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>Safia@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>You go ahead and keep it Pherra..obviously you need it very badly. *smile*</p></blockquote> Obviously not, this is just another case of someone complaining about stuff to carebear up the PvP some more, you are in just some noob guild who couldn't PvP their way out of a wet paper bag though *smile* And to the dude above me, this isn't above PvP gear, please read the subject, thanks! </blockquote><p>Well... If we are some noob guild that can't pvp our way out of a wet paper bag.... Why did your WHOLE x4 evac from our guild last night (Need i mention you abandoned some to die)? And umm... Why did you group of 6 zone hop today from our group of 5 until you had a group of Church of Steel join in to help you? Hrrm? </p><p>    This is about an Item that doesn't scale in PVP, not about guilds, But if you want to bring them into it... Well *snicker* I can do that. </p></blockquote> What guild am I in excatly? And who even said I was exile? Sorry, but you're guild is horrible, which is why you justify nerfing all items you can't obtain *snicker* The Kelian dude is right, they are scaled by the way! </blockquote><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=356549120" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">um, maybe this?</a></p><p> if you are gonna talk [Removed for Content] you could at least not do it anon...</p>

[Amphibia]

<cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>Backed@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Pherra wrote:</cite><blockquote>Safia@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>You go ahead and keep it Pherra..obviously you need it very badly. *smile*</p></blockquote> Obviously not, this is just another case of someone complaining about stuff to carebear up the PvP some more, you are in just some noob guild who couldn't PvP their way out of a wet paper bag though *smile* And to the dude above me, this isn't above PvP gear, please read the subject, thanks! </blockquote><p>Well... If we are some noob guild that can't pvp our way out of a wet paper bag.... Why did your WHOLE x4 evac from our guild last night (Need i mention you abandoned some to die)? And umm... Why did you group of 6 zone hop today from our group of 5 until you had a group of Church of Steel join in to help you? Hrrm? </p><p>    This is about an Item that doesn't scale in PVP, not about guilds, But if you want to bring them into it... Well *snicker* I can do that. </p></blockquote> What guild am I in excatly? And who even said I was exile? Sorry, but you're guild is horrible, which is why you justify nerfing all items you can't obtain *snicker* The Kelian dude is right, they are scaled by the way! </blockquote> Flaming another guild while posting anonymously. Way to go. /clap And what does guilds have to do with this anyway? The discussion is about weither or not a particular item is overpowered in PvP. If it is, then it doesn't really matter who has it. May I suggest you have your own brain checked before worrying about others?

[Norrsken]

Wow. The argument "Everyone can get it." isnt very valid if an item is overpowered. Why not just hand out items readily available that will oneshot anyone, and then we can see who's the fastest to press it? Comeon. the fire scroll need a fix.

[Vilesummon]

<span style="font-size: medium">As it was pointed out, they can be pulled from raid zone BUT as we all know, exiles have a decided advantage in raid zones. They are nothing more than PVE guilds in that respect, so don't act like all things are equal. It doesn't mean that the single alignment guilds won't be able to get them, but it isn't ezmode for them like the exiles. Exiles can get the raid set gear instead of the pvp gear since they are so worried about it...and again, can do it easier because of all classes. All that being said, even if they were easy to get hold of; the damage will have to be scaled especially since SOE took a nerf bat to the healers cures. I would suspect they can be cured, but that is hell of a hard hit and with the cure timers messed up; it is too much (especially if 3 people run them at same time). </span>

[Roald]

<p>If an item is overpowered in PvP, it needs to be changed.</p><p>Its nothing to do with PvP gear (which, may I add, exiles made the choice to give up), if an item is overpowered, its overpowered and should be fixed, regardless of other items.</p>

[Odawnus Haste]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Wow. The argument "Everyone can get it." isnt very valid if an item is overpowered. Why not just hand out items readily available that will oneshot anyone, and then we can see who's the fastest to press it? Comeon. the fire scroll need a fix. </blockquote> Why are you even complaining, I doubt anyone has decided to waste a scroll on you. If anything needs to be nerfed it should be the DOT other than at it just a mediocre god ability. Not that we really rely on the DOT to begin with.

[ailen]

Vilesummon@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><span style="font-size: x-small">As it was pointed out, they can be pulled from raid zone BUT as we all know, exiles have a decided advantage in raid zones. They are nothing more than PVE guilds in that respect, so don't act like all things are equal. It doesn't mean that the single alignment guilds won't be able to get them, but it isn't ezmode for them like the exiles. <span style="color: #ffcc00"><b>Exiles can get the raid set gear instead of the pvp gear since they are so worried about it...and again, can do it easier because of all classes. </b> </span> All that being said, even if they were easy to get hold of; the damage will have to be scaled especially since SOE took a nerf bat to the healers cures. I would suspect they can be cured, but that is hell of a hard hit and with the cure timers messed up; it is too much (especially if 3 people run them at same time). </span></blockquote><p>When will you people understand that you're WRONG about your statements.  You are so so wrong.  I can't even begin to tell you how stupid of a statement that is coming from the mis-informed of this server.</p><p>EoF raid gear is VERY VERY hard to get.  PvP gear is so easy its almost a joke.  I was in exile for 7 months.  I got 2 EoF pieces for my berserker.  I have been in Freeport for 3 weeks and have enough tokens to buy two PvP set pieces.   You want to tell me that it is EASIER TO GET raid gear than PvP gear?  You're OUT OF YOUR MIND...   I have inspected a few people around Freeport, some have a lot of pieces some have almost NONE... it is up to YOU .. how quickly you get a pvp item, when indeed it's up to 23 other people and the luck of the draw to get an EoF set piece.</p><p>so stupid people, get off the bandwagon and "THINK"... I am proving this wrong day in and day out and nobody seems to listen.</p><p>The people that have that item described in this thread don't even need that item to whip most on this server.  The probably use it as a joke.  Does it need toned down? Yah, probably, but c'mon... comparing the EASE of attaining PvP gear vs how hard it is to get EoF set pieces can't even be a close argument.  It's  JOKE compared to raiding to get these PvP items.  a JOKE.  I have gotten more than 300 tokens across 4 toons in 3 weeks in freeport.   I suffered night in and night out in raid zones in exile to get gear... and I do mean suffered sometimes, because I didn't go to Exile to RAID.. I went there to PvP.</p><p>what gives?   state your opinions but at least found them on something more than a stupid assumption.  you're wrong . flat wrong, and I'm calling you on it.</p>

[Amphibia]

Maybe it would have been better if exiles also had PvP gear. Twice or three times the amount of tokens though, due to having a lot more targets. Heck, why not? Then they would come out of the cave more too. And there would be more PvP. Everybody wins! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> As for the firescrolls, I have no idea how often they drop. But I'm thinking maybe it will be a bit like the volatile fluid. I carried that on my alt for months before using it. Finally I threw it at some little runner that had decided to chicken out, and killed him with it. On my main I still have the thing, have had it for like 6 months... But, if this firescroll drops every time from certain mobs and also does as much damage as people here say, then maybe someone should have a look at it. I believe it also has 5 charges... is that correct?

[ailen]

<p>if we could have gotten pvp gear in exile I would NEVER have come back.</p><p>I miss the Exile PvP... more targets, more fun...  people make stupid assumptions that all that were there, were there to raid.</p><p>that's complete crap.</p>

[Sonne]

Omg someone give Galoro a tampon..... Fireseeds are a heat based spell in pvp they can crit for up to 2419 dmg and can tick for 968 every 3 seconds for 18 seconds usually i find they hit for around 1.9k and tick for about 700 it can add up to alot yeah but they can easily be avoided by using a cure potion, potions that ward vs heat, evac, get heals, wards, bolster, pop your pvp belt (which if you want to make a post complaining about items that are unfair make one about the pvp belt), locket, smoke bomb, run away from the players you know have fireseeds, pop the mithaniel marr miricle that procs a stone skin... Last night afew of us triple firescrolled Kriptick the 70 ranger he survived and managed to get all our fame so im pritty sure u can do the same. Tell me if 3 rangers focus aim and triple auto attack and that kills you will you make a post about it??? <img src="/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Dak]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Vilesummon@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><span style="font-size: x-small">As it was pointed out, they can be pulled from raid zone BUT as we all know, exiles have a decided advantage in raid zones. They are nothing more than PVE guilds in that respect, so don't act like all things are equal. It doesn't mean that the single alignment guilds won't be able to get them, but it isn't ezmode for them like the exiles. <span style="color: #ffcc00"><b>Exiles can get the raid set gear instead of the pvp gear since they are so worried about it...and again, can do it easier because of all classes. </b> </span> All that being said, even if they were easy to get hold of; the damage will have to be scaled especially since SOE took a nerf bat to the healers cures. I would suspect they can be cured, but that is hell of a hard hit and with the cure timers messed up; it is too much (especially if 3 people run them at same time). </span></blockquote><p>When will you people understand that you're WRONG about your statements.  You are so so wrong.  I can't even begin to tell you how stupid of a statement that is coming from the mis-informed of this server.</p><p>EoF raid gear is VERY VERY hard to get.  PvP gear is so easy its almost a joke.  I was in exile for 7 months.  I got 2 EoF pieces for my berserker.  I have been in Freeport for 3 weeks and have enough tokens to buy two PvP set pieces.   You want to tell me that it is EASIER TO GET raid gear than PvP gear?  You're OUT OF YOUR MIND...   I have inspected a few people around Freeport, some have a lot of pieces some have almost NONE... it is up to YOU .. how quickly you get a pvp item, when indeed it's up to 23 other people and the luck of the draw to get an EoF set piece.</p><p>so stupid people, get off the bandwagon and "THINK"... I am proving this wrong day in and day out and nobody seems to listen.</p><p>The people that have that item described in this thread don't even need that item to whip most on this server.  The probably use it as a joke.  Does it need toned down? Yah, probably, but c'mon... comparing the EASE of attaining PvP gear vs how hard it is to get EoF set pieces can't even be a close argument.  It's  JOKE compared to raiding to get these PvP items.  a JOKE.  I have gotten more than 300 tokens across 4 toons in 3 weeks in freeport.   I suffered night in and night out in raid zones in exile to get gear... and I do mean suffered sometimes, because I didn't go to Exile to RAID.. I went there to PvP.</p><p>what gives?   state your opinions but at least found them on something more than a stupid assumption.  you're wrong . flat wrong, and I'm calling you on it.</p></blockquote> True that.

[Notsovilepriest]

The statement Vilesummon made was saying that we get PvP gear for sticking to one side, and since exiles have an easier time raiding high end content its the price you are going to pay. I don't want to here it's not easier to get the gear for exiles. PvP gear < Raid Gear. I want you to list any non-Exile Guild on a PvP server to clear all of EH. Also same thing for Avatars. You guys pick up better gear than the meager PvP gear that Exiles love to cry Oh, So Much about. Its decent to hold people over till they can get the raid gear. Exile = Easy Mode Raiding. Fact!

[Borias]

<p>Not always.  I would say PvP gear = raid gear.  It is extremely hard to get a 30 haste item outside of pvp gear.  Some classes prefer pvp gear, especially like swash or rangers, when you can get a nice 7 piece bonus a lot easier with pvp gear.  Some of the focus's are just plain better.  I really wouldn't use more than 3 pieces of PvE on my dirge if I could use pvp as well.</p><p>Why not just charge 2x or 2.5x tokens for exile pvp armor and call it a day?  People that have never raided EH, or never played in exile really don't know how hard it is to get a set of pve gear.  Sure we might be able to kill Enynti faster than a city guild, but we have gotten 6 warden shoulders in a row.  You don't get duplicate pvp armor.  The RNG doesn't come into play when you choose what you get.</p><p>It was stated earlier, but if pvp armor gets more exiles out pvping, isn't that good for everyone in the long run?  As long as exiles can't farm tokens of each other, I don't think it would be a problem.</p>

[eu]

Notsovilepriest@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>The statement Vilesummon made was saying that we get PvP gear for sticking to one side, and since exiles have an easier time raiding high end content its the price you are going to pay. I don't want to here it's not easier to get the gear for exiles. PvP gear < Raid Gear. I want you to list any non-Exile Guild on a PvP server to clear all of EH. Also same thing for Avatars. You guys pick up better gear than the meager PvP gear that Exiles love to cry Oh, So Much about. Its decent to hold people over till they can get the raid gear. Exile = Easy Mode Raiding. Fact! </blockquote><p> If it is such easy mode, please explain to me the difference in numbers.</p><p> How many pvpers have full pvp sets? I dont know but I bet its in the hundreds. </p><p>How many pvpers have full Eof raid sets? I know for a fact this number is 0</p><p> I am exile and dont care if I ever get pvp gear but look at the FACTS! It isn't easier to get the full raid set. If it was someone would have it by now.</p>

[Vilesummon]

<cite>euar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Notsovilepriest@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>The statement Vilesummon made was saying that we get PvP gear for sticking to one side, and since exiles have an easier time raiding high end content its the price you are going to pay. I don't want to here it's not easier to get the gear for exiles. PvP gear < Raid Gear. I want you to list any non-Exile Guild on a PvP server to clear all of EH. Also same thing for Avatars. You guys pick up better gear than the meager PvP gear that Exiles love to cry Oh, So Much about. Its decent to hold people over till they can get the raid gear. Exile = Easy Mode Raiding. Fact! </blockquote><p> If it is such easy mode, please explain to me the difference in numbers.</p><p> How many pvpers have full pvp sets? I dont know but I bet its in the hundreds. </p><p>How many pvpers have full Eof raid sets? I know for a fact this number is 0</p><p> I am exile and dont care if I ever get pvp gear but look at the FACTS! It isn't easier to get the full raid set. If it was someone would have it by now.</p></blockquote><span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #cc0000">Difference in numbers is this...just follow the line of thought...LOCKOUT TIMERS and pvp you can get tokens at any time. I know that people can get the raid gear, don't try to tell me we can't. Had I raided this week (and I am casual raider) the 2nd piece of my eof raid gear dropped already and I would have had it. Given the fact that single alignment guilds are able to go into the zones and have success in obtaining the pieces, I know that exiles can do it also. Fact of the matter is this, if exiles are not getting the eof raid gear it is because they don't have a set raid force and have some sort of ladder like we do. You are splitting the gear among the people, but just like the phenomenon of RELIC rotting; it will happen with eof raid stuff too. Raid content is easier for exiles; if you can't see that I am sorry. Along Borias' thought of why not let exiles have pvp gear at 2 or 2.5x the cost; I agree, it could be set up at 2x the cost (since 2x the targets) BUT to keep it all in balance, you would need to allow all the classes in all the factions. I have made others posts about that issue, in war, you can't tell me that the Queen wouldn't think about having assassins and Lucan wouldn't use anything at his disposal so I don't want to hear the lore arguments. I actually think PVP gear for exiles and allowing all classes for all alignments would serve on another end too....it would end some of the cries for nerfing specific classes since we all would have them. I think Freeps would complain less about rangers this and Qs would talk less about Brigand that if they were allowed to mix them in their groups too. As that stands now though, the fire scroll damage is a bit much for pvp; no matter who has it. </span></span>

[Yage]

All raid zones and contesteds should be removed from pvp servers and replaced with city based PVP raids.   Rename the servers pvp servers or raid servers and pick what you want to do, raiding kills pvp. 

[Odawnus Haste]

All I see is alot of people complaining about something that has never been used on them. There are a few but alot of you guys are just [Removed for Content] for no reason.

[Norrsken]

Odawnus Haste wrote: <blockquote>All I see is alot of people complaining about something that has never been used on them. There are a few but alot of you guys are just [Removed for Content] for no reason.</blockquote>Even if it hasnt been used on someone, its still terribly [Removed for Content] up to have items nuke for more than the hard hitters do innate in pvp.

[ailen]

Notsovilepriest@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>The statement Vilesummon made was saying that we get PvP gear for sticking to one side, and since exiles have an easier time raiding high end content its the price you are going to pay. I don't want to here it's not easier to get the gear for exiles. PvP gear < Raid Gear. I want you to list any non-Exile Guild on a PvP server to clear all of EH. Also same thing for Avatars. You guys pick up better gear than the meager PvP gear that Exiles love to cry Oh, So Much about. Its decent to hold people over till they can get the raid gear. <b>Exile = Easy Mode Raiding. Fact! </b></blockquote><p>It is NOT easier to get gear for exiles than it is for people in the city.  I want to know why it is you don't want to hear it. do you have ANY EXPERIENCE on the matter?   I will contest that some items for EoF set are better for some classes than PvP gear.  that's not something I will dispute, but WHAT GOOD IS AN ITEM IF YOU CAN'T GET IT!?  I mean, last time I checked gear I can't get in my inventory does me NO GOOD.</p><p>ROK will be out in November.  That means in 6 months time, for you to have any validity WHATSOEVER in your argument every exile should have a full set of eof gear.  that's not gonig to happen.  not ever.  I will have all 4 of my 70s in full PvP gear by then, and I'll have only been at it for 6 months...   I wear gear, that gear is SUPERIOR to gear that I can't wear because I don't have it.</p><p>Does this make sense?  No, because you're being ignorant.</p><p>and for that last statement.  Exile = Easy Mode Rading?  none of the EoF content was designed to be EASY even with all classes.  It's still difficult in any regards, and the lockout timers tick just the same for them as any other faction.   Yay a guild can get 1 item for a class, that may or may not be in the zone at the time, or even NEED the piece in a week.  Week after week, when in PvP merchants will always give you the item you want regardless.</p><p>anyways I'm done talking down to you, you're not interested in reason, you're just another sheep that got on the bandwagon with everyone else.</p><p>speak from experience like me, or [Removed for Content] </p>

[Odawnus Haste]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Odawnus Haste wrote: <blockquote>All I see is alot of people complaining about something that has never been used on them. There are a few but alot of you guys are just [Removed for Content] for no reason.</blockquote>Even if it hasnt been used on someone, its still terribly [I cannot control my vocabulary] up to have items nuke for more than the hard hitters do innate in pvp. </blockquote> NO, because you only speculate what it does, you have no idea. My sniper shot says it does 3369 but 98% of the time it doesnt even come close to doing 2k. Just like the fire scroll unless you get a lucky crit it hits for under 2k, most of the time being around 1600. If you say 1600 is alot then I can auto attack someone alot more than that and im not talking about lucky crits.

[Norrsken]

Odawnus Haste wrote: <blockquote>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Odawnus Haste wrote: <blockquote>All I see is alot of people complaining about something that has never been used on them. There are a few but alot of you guys are just [Removed for Content] for no reason.</blockquote>Even if it hasnt been used on someone, its still terribly [I cannot control my vocabulary] up to have items nuke for more than the hard hitters do innate in pvp. </blockquote> NO, because you only speculate what it does, you have no idea. My sniper shot says it does 3369 but 98% of the time it doesnt even come close to doing 2k. Just like the fire scroll unless you get a lucky crit it hits for under 2k, most of the time being around 1600. If you say 1600 is alot then I can auto attack someone alot more than that and im not talking about lucky crits.</blockquote>1600 + 700 5 times in fast succession?

[Notsovilepriest]

Just because something that you need doesn't drop doesn't mean exiled guilds don't have capability to clear that alignment guilds cannot to complete the set of raid gear that alignment guilds can only start at this point in time. THat is like saying any ranger that clears deathtoll should have Bazkul and whomever clears HoS should have Sarnak. Just because what you want to drop doesn't mean that it's not easier to get the raid gear and to fight all of the raid zones.

[ailen]

Notsovilepriest@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Just because something that you need doesn't drop doesn't mean exiled guilds don't have capability to clear that alignment guilds cannot to complete the set of raid gear that alignment guilds can only start at this point in time. THat is like saying any ranger that clears deathtoll should have Bazkul and whomever clears HoS should have Sarnak. <b>Just because what you want to drop doesn't mean that it's not easier to get the raid gear and to fight all of the raid zones. </b></blockquote><p> You make absolutely NO SENSE...</p><p>imagine for a moment.. you can get 1 EoF Set piece every 4 runs.  Even if it were "easy" to do, as you are "imagining" it to be.  that means.. 1 piece that you can use, and you can get in a MONTH.  So.. in 7 MONTHS you'll have a full set.  in 6 months the cap will be 80 and that gear will suck to high heaven compared.  Of course it doesn't work like this.  24 classes.. you have  a 1 in 24 chance of getting an item to drop if you're not playing a class that's duplicated.  by this math you can really only hope to get an item what... 1/12 of the time? if Multiple items drop.. which of course they don't always drop... and you can't guarantee that the item that drops the people on the raid can even use?</p><p>I can get a full set, through good pvp in 2 months.  do the math you misinformed troll... Do you finally see how stupid you are being?</p><p>Just because I sit in an instance for 3 hours one night, or 2 days on a weekend, and I have to hope and dream something drops in there that i can use, then hope there's no competition for it and that it will be given to me, MEANS IT IS HARDER to get that gear. INFINITELY harder.</p><p>like I said before.. if I don't have the gear in my bag to equip it doesn't mean any of it is any better...  PvP gear is a JOKE to get, and utter joke...  </p>

[Odawnus Haste]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Odawnus Haste wrote: <blockquote>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Odawnus Haste wrote: <blockquote>All I see is alot of people complaining about something that has never been used on them. There are a few but alot of you guys are just [Removed for Content] for no reason.</blockquote>Even if it hasnt been used on someone, its still terribly [I cannot control my vocabulary] up to have items nuke for more than the hard hitters do innate in pvp. </blockquote> NO, because you only speculate what it does, you have no idea. My sniper shot says it does 3369 but 98% of the time it doesnt even come close to doing 2k. Just like the fire scroll unless you get a lucky crit it hits for under 2k, most of the time being around 1600. If you say 1600 is alot then I can auto attack someone alot more than that and im not talking about lucky crits.</blockquote>1600 + 700 5 times in fast succession? </blockquote>Like I said in an earlier post if anything should be nerf the DOT should be. If you are going to let the DOT tick for 18seconds either you are cheap or you are just too lazy to cure yourself. You should also look at the people that have the fire scrolls for the most part we are pretty geared out so you would be getting hit for more than the normal player would if they had them.

[eu]

Vilesummon@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><cite>euar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Notsovilepriest@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>The statement Vilesummon made was saying that we get PvP gear for sticking to one side, and since exiles have an easier time raiding high end content its the price you are going to pay. I don't want to here it's not easier to get the gear for exiles. PvP gear < Raid Gear. I want you to list any non-Exile Guild on a PvP server to clear all of EH. Also same thing for Avatars. You guys pick up better gear than the meager PvP gear that Exiles love to cry Oh, So Much about. Its decent to hold people over till they can get the raid gear. Exile = Easy Mode Raiding. Fact! </blockquote><p> If it is such easy mode, please explain to me the difference in numbers.</p><p> How many pvpers have full pvp sets? I dont know but I bet its in the hundreds. </p><p>How many pvpers have full Eof raid sets? I know for a fact this number is 0</p><p> I am exile and dont care if I ever get pvp gear but look at the FACTS! It isn't easier to get the full raid set. If it was someone would have it by now.</p></blockquote><span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #cc0000">Difference in numbers is this...just follow the line of thought...LOCKOUT TIMERS and pvp you can get tokens at any time. I know that people can get the raid gear, don't try to tell me we can't. Had I raided this week (and I am casual raider) the 2nd piece of my eof raid gear dropped already and I would have had it. Given the fact that single alignment guilds are able to go into the zones and have success in obtaining the pieces, I know that exiles can do it also. Fact of the matter is this, if exiles are not getting the eof raid gear it is because they don't have a set raid force and have some sort of ladder like we do. You are splitting the gear among the people, but just like the phenomenon of RELIC rotting; it will happen with eof raid stuff too. Raid content is easier for exiles; if you can't see that I am sorry. Along Borias' thought of why not let exiles have pvp gear at 2 or 2.5x the cost; I agree, it could be set up at 2x the cost (since 2x the targets) BUT to keep it all in balance, you would need to allow all the classes in all the factions. I have made others posts about that issue, in war, you can't tell me that the Queen wouldn't think about having assassins and Lucan wouldn't use anything at his disposal so I don't want to hear the lore arguments. I actually think PVP gear for exiles and allowing all classes for all alignments would serve on another end too....it would end some of the cries for nerfing specific classes since we all would have them. I think Freeps would complain less about rangers this and Qs would talk less about Brigand that if they were allowed to mix them in their groups too. As that stands now though, the fire scroll damage is a bit much for pvp; no matter who has it. </span></span></blockquote>Um read the argument 1 more time. Nobody is saying it isnt easier to raid in exile. I and everyone on all pvp servers will prolly agree with this. The fact of the matter still remains that if you want a full set of gear the quicker route would be to pvp and stay faction based. It is far easier to get. If this were untrue at least 1 person worldwide in pvp would surely have the full raid set no?

[ailen]

I can solo entire groups of bots for tokens.. i can't solo Woushi

[eu]

Notsovilepriest@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Just because something that you need doesn't drop doesn't mean exiled guilds don't have capability to clear that alignment guilds cannot to complete the set of raid gear that alignment guilds can only start at this point in time. THat is like saying any ranger that clears deathtoll should have Bazkul and whomever clears HoS should have Sarnak. Just because what you want to drop doesn't mean that it's not easier to get the raid gear and to fight all of the raid zones. </blockquote> Ding ding ding! You are absolutely correct further illustrating the point that it is easier to get pvp gear. Now if you turn in your tokens and get back a random class no trade piece of loot then I will agree with you that pve gear is easier to get.

[KannaWhoopass]

<p>Not that this is part of the OP thread </p><p>But please be clear that it is easy for a scout or bruiser to get PvP gear. </p><p>For the rest who are in groups to PvP and cant solo groups of bots our chances of getting a token is 1 in 6 most times </p><p>factor in  a 75% chance of getting a token in a chest at all ... fuzzy math = 1 in 8 chance to get a token. </p><p>if you need i dunno 1100 token for the full set .... thats 8800 PvP kills for those who group for tokens... </p><p>vs the 1300 ish kills for a solo killer ..... </p><p>List for me how many guardians ... zerkres .. shamen .. and clerics .. are in full PvP gear ? how many kills do they have ?</p><p>I dont know a cleric in full PvP gear ... i may know 1 who could be but he is exile.. </p><p>if you got 50 kills a day in a group ... would be 5 and a bit months of PvP to get the set.. </p><p>I have 4 pieces of my class specific set ...   i have 1 PvP piece ... im a healer .. </p>

[ailen]

<p>MY sk has 28 tokens in 2 days of PvP. 28 tokes in 2 days.  I do not have track.  I do not have burst dps, no roots, ..  but I seemingly have figured out where to go look for people to kill and to get tokens.</p><p>I roll in groups all the time, I get half of my tokens from groups. I'm an SK.  </p><p>My berserker has 39 tokens in 4 days of play.  39 tokens.  no track, no evac, nothing.  100pct grouping</p><p>my brigand has 81 tokens.. thats in like 1 week of soloing.. not heavy.. as you can see I have other toons, but I can get tokens at will.</p><p>my dirge, who is quite possibly the most underpowered class on the server, has 58 tokens.  yah you heard it.  1.5 weeks ago he didn't have any.  some solo, some in group.</p><p>DO YOU SEE A TREND?</p><p>Just because you don't PvP a lot that's your fault.  Your fault completely and something you have 100pct control over.  Raiding takes 23 other people, and the moon and the stars to alignt up perfectly to get your gear.</p><p>think before you speak.</p>

[Raa]

I say leave firescrolls as is but once the noob guilds figure out how to kill tender then nerf em.

[Vilesummon]

As I said, give exiles PVP gear...go back, read it, I said that...but in turn, put the city guilds in ezmode by giving them all the classes so they can do the same as ANY PVE guild can. I also said the damage on the item in question needs scaled down. At this time, the precious exiles that can't see that they can get raid gear EASIER than one alignment would then not have anything to complain about...and the fact that all 3 alignments would have equal gear and raid capabilities would fix a lot of the other balance issues. My guess is, however, most exiles want PVP gear but do NOT want the cities to have all the classes. Wonder why?

[Raa]

I have no problems with cities getting all 24 classes, it wont help them really most dont have the dedication or motivation to learn encounters or to execute them. Hell imo give cities a horde bonus like in C&C Generals like the chineses had, most the cities run in hordes anyways why not reward em for it.

[Spider]

<cite>Raabe wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have no problems with cities getting all 24 classes, it wont help them really most dont have the dedication or motivation to learn encounters or to execute them. Hell imo give cities a horde bonus like in C&C Generals like the chineses had, most the cities run in hordes anyways why not reward em for it. </blockquote> DING DING DING DING !!! we have a winner .... whats that you say ?? .... what did you win ?? OH yes you sir have won the award for DUMBEST POST EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! factions are irrelevent to players raiding ability u simpering bafoon get a clue and pull your cranium out of your posterior on my server alone my fp raid guild guild has accomplished nearly everything the hard core raiding exile guilds have with half the classes so of us simply done feel like going easymode for raiding

[Borias]

Vilesummon@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>As I said, give exiles PVP gear...go back, read it, I said that...but in turn, put the city guilds in ezmode by giving them all the classes so they can do the same as ANY PVE guild can. I also said the damage on the item in question needs scaled down. At this time, the precious exiles that can't see that they can get raid gear EASIER than one alignment would then not have anything to complain about...and the fact that all 3 alignments would have equal gear and raid capabilities would fix a lot of the other balance issues. My guess is, however, most exiles want PVP gear but do NOT want the cities to have all the classes. Wonder why?</blockquote><p> Easier is not always the truth.  Take a nice easy couple mobs.  Enynti and V'tekla in MMiS.  Basically any guild that can field a good tank and either aoe blocks, spike dps, signets, or great power regen can take both of these without any issue.  Both of these drop EoF fabled.  You don't need an "ezmode" alignment to kill them.  Basically, there are a few mobs only that exiles seem to be killing that city groups can't.  Predominately(not exclusively) the higher mobs in EH, and maybe one or 2 in MMiS/FTH.  That means really only legs, chest pieces, and a couple assorted pieces are hard for cities to get.  By blanketing eof loot as its own thing, and not looking at the whole of it, you really lose a lot arguement wise.  What about those city folk that have pvp and pve armor and can mix/match?  Cleary that is an advantage that exiles do not have.  Every piece of pvp gear has an effect.  Good ones too.  City factions have an advantage that isn't as obvious.  They can gear up with wonderful items without even stepping inside a raid zone.  7 pieces of armor?  Check.  A few weapons?  Check.  Bow/throwing sack?  Check.  All without a raid, or even having to do more than kill people.</p><p>If you toss both sides all classes, you better give exiles a lot to compensate.  Basically everything you get but take for granted.  At that point, why even go exile?  To kill more people?  Please.  If you could have all classes in either city, there is 0 advantage left to being an exile.  Oh you can kill both sides, and your friends.  However, if there are exiles, both cities can kill 2 factions still.  Without making them all equal, there would no longer be any point to sit in the middle.  There are guilds on Nagafen that went from Exile to Freeport simply because of the gear.  Obviously the ease of getting PvE gear was not all that easy after all.</p><p>You are a Qeynosian.  You have not been in Exile.  You do not know what it is like.  You keep posting about how easy it is, but you haven't been there to experience it.  You just post about how easy it is, and how you deserve more.  You know what?  Give exiles pvp armor.  Let qeynosians buy signets of dispatch.  Let freeportians buy signets of, well, whatever it is they're missing.  You mention over and over about how easy it is for exiles to get pve raid armor.  Why is it then, if it is soooo easy, have I not seen 1 piece of bard loot drop?  Or maybe more caster loot, or tank stuff?  The RNG.  It [Removed for Content] us just as much as anything.  It was said earlier, and I laughed- if you unlocked a random piece of gear for 100 tokens instead of what you wanted, maybe then you'd feel it more.  Or you unlocked those druid shoulders for the 7th time in a row.  </p><p>Don't forget this: You in a town have access to all pvp armor, and a fairly decent chunk of pve armor, and raid loot as well.  If an exile guild can kill say, 7? more raid mobs than you, does that make it fair in your eyes?  You want fair?  You get pvp armor and weapons, and exiles get raid items.  Add more pvp weapons and jewelry, and make it so you can't also wear gear from raid zones.  Does that sound fair to you?</p>

[Raa]

<cite>Spider wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raabe wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have no problems with cities getting all 24 classes, it wont help them really most dont have the dedication or motivation to learn encounters or to execute them. Hell imo give cities a horde bonus like in C&C Generals like the chineses had, most the cities run in hordes anyways why not reward em for it. </blockquote> DING DING DING DING !!! we have a winner .... whats that you say ?? .... what did you win ?? OH yes you sir have won the award for DUMBEST POST EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! factions are irrelevent to players raiding ability u simpering bafoon get a clue and pull your cranium out of your posterior on my server alone my fp raid guild guild has accomplished nearly everything the hard core raiding exile guilds have with half the classes so of us simply done feel like going easymode for raiding </blockquote>Grats I pretty sure when I was in Qeynos my Qeynos guild did more then your fp guild did but thats a mute point, Im refering to the guilds who are still struggling to clear DT or havent cleared Clockwork Menace or havent cleared Freethinkers hideout. If they were to get access to all 24 guilds it wouldn't improve them that much in raiding.

[Raa]

O and Grats on 147 members 107 unique in your guild of uberness im sure that would get like a +10 to rezerging horde bonus.

[Simera]

I was under the impression that the entire idea of exile faction was that it was supposed to be more difficult and pose a greater challenge to pvpers?

[yellowbelly08]

<p>Bah the old chestnut of exiles wanting pvp gear..lolz. There is A massive advantage to raiding in exile and non scouts actually have a greater chance of eof set gear than pvp gear. The dps boost in raids from having brigand, inquisitor and coercer is imense and many eof zones require v quick burning so q guilds are finding certain areas very hard. In fact a templar in tnw was putting out 1.6 k dps due to the fp buffs [Removed for Content].... And you guts also get the likes of templar and illusioinist thus making raid content trivial to say the least. To call us q guilds that cant cl;ear eh etc noobs is pure arrogance showing you dont know what the hell your on about Raabe, as persevering q guilds such as ours actually doing things not thought possible with the classes available are the pros and you merely bluebie wannabes. The eof full set owns the pvp full set by a distance. The only advantage in being q is arguably the pvp belt. O and get rid of your fricking fire seeds already, you lame [Removed for Content].</p><p>Galoro </p>

[Vilesummon]

<cite>Raabe wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have no problems with cities getting all 24 classes, it wont help them really most dont have the dedication or motivation to learn encounters or to execute them. Hell imo give cities a horde bonus like in C&C Generals like the chineses had, most the cities run in hordes anyways why not reward em for it. </blockquote> I don't know who you are or what server you are playing on, but seriously to question the dedication and motivation of the city factions on Venekor would be a dumb statement. I am sure the exiles that are on our server will tell you; the city guilds move out when when they want for raids. The guild I personally belong to raids 4-5 times per week and have also tried to host some pvp events. We are still trying to work out some of the pvp things to best reflect the needs of all the players since we do have a EURO side that we need to factor into our hosting. Granted, most pvp encounters on VENE are actually group vs group, but that is our preference since a lot of people have some trouble with lag when it is x4 vs x4. We have had x2 vs x2s and had fun with that too, but seriously that was a dumb blanket statement.

[Odawnus Haste]

<cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Bah the old chestnut of exiles wanting pvp gear..lolz. There is A massive advantage to raiding in exile and non scouts actually have a greater chance of eof set gear than pvp gear. The dps boost in raids from having brigand, inquisitor and coercer is imense and many eof zones require v quick burning so q guilds are finding certain areas very hard. In fact a templar in tnw was putting out 1.6 k dps due to the fp buffs [Removed for Content].... And you guts also get the likes of templar and illusioinist thus making raid content trivial to say the least. To call us q guilds that cant cl;ear eh etc noobs is pure arrogance showing you dont know what the hell your on about Raabe, as persevering q guilds such as ours actually doing things not thought possible with the classes available are the pros and you merely bluebie wannabes. The eof full set owns the pvp full set by a distance. The only advantage in being q is arguably the pvp belt. O and get rid of your fricking fire seeds already, you lame [Removed for Content].</p><p>Galoro </p></blockquote> Some classes pvp set is better imo. Especially since almost every piece if not all gives you procs and special stats. EoF set is just chest and legs. Killing tender is not clearing EH its a mob on the first floor you have to kill to get to the 2nd floor. Since your putting words in his mouth then all guilds are noob since onyx is the ONLY pvp guild that has cleared EH. Fire Seeds is a spell, we dont ask you not to use Rain of arrows do we?

[Norrsken]

Odawnus Haste wrote: <blockquote><cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Bah the old chestnut of exiles wanting pvp gear..lolz. There is A massive advantage to raiding in exile and non scouts actually have a greater chance of eof set gear than pvp gear. The dps boost in raids from having brigand, inquisitor and coercer is imense and many eof zones require v quick burning so q guilds are finding certain areas very hard. In fact a templar in tnw was putting out 1.6 k dps due to the fp buffs [Removed for Content].... And you guts also get the likes of templar and illusioinist thus making raid content trivial to say the least. To call us q guilds that cant cl;ear eh etc noobs is pure arrogance showing you dont know what the hell your on about Raabe, as persevering q guilds such as ours actually doing things not thought possible with the classes available are the pros and you merely bluebie wannabes. The eof full set owns the pvp full set by a distance. The only advantage in being q is arguably the pvp belt. O and get rid of your fricking fire seeds already, you lame [Removed for Content].</p><p>Galoro </p></blockquote> Some classes pvp set is better imo. Especially since almost every piece if not all gives you procs and special stats. EoF set is just chest and legs. Killing tender is not clearing EH its a mob on the first floor you have to kill to get to the 2nd floor. Since your putting words in his mouth then all guilds are noob since onyx is the ONLY pvp guild that has cleared EH. Fire Seeds is a spell, we dont ask you not to use Rain of arrows do we?</blockquote>Isnt fire seeds a clicky item, not a spell?

[Raa]

You people have no idea what your talking about you see something that someone says omg it owned my face its gotta need a nerf item must not scale in pvp, its a clicky item etc etc. The Fireseeds is a Recipe you get from killing Tender the frist floor boss of EH, not that difficult of a mob. He drops multiple recipies trash on the first floor also drops from time to time items that are used in the combines of those recipies. The Result of the fireseeds combine is a scroll that you scribe into your Knowledge book. It goes under the Spell tab, It is a spell and Spell crit and spell mod any +spell dmg effects Fireseeds its an actual spell, You get 10 uses of the spell, at which point it is no longer use able untill you rescribe another scroll of the fireseeds.

[Odawnus Haste]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Odawnus Haste wrote: <blockquote><cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Bah the old chestnut of exiles wanting pvp gear..lolz. There is A massive advantage to raiding in exile and non scouts actually have a greater chance of eof set gear than pvp gear. The dps boost in raids from having brigand, inquisitor and coercer is imense and many eof zones require v quick burning so q guilds are finding certain areas very hard. In fact a templar in tnw was putting out 1.6 k dps due to the fp buffs [Removed for Content].... And you guts also get the likes of templar and illusioinist thus making raid content trivial to say the least. To call us q guilds that cant cl;ear eh etc noobs is pure arrogance showing you dont know what the hell your on about Raabe, as persevering q guilds such as ours actually doing things not thought possible with the classes available are the pros and you merely bluebie wannabes. The eof full set owns the pvp full set by a distance. The only advantage in being q is arguably the pvp belt. O and get rid of your fricking fire seeds already, you lame [Removed for Content].</p><p>Galoro </p></blockquote> Some classes pvp set is better imo. Especially since almost every piece if not all gives you procs and special stats. EoF set is just chest and legs. Killing tender is not clearing EH its a mob on the first floor you have to kill to get to the 2nd floor. Since your putting words in his mouth then all guilds are noob since onyx is the ONLY pvp guild that has cleared EH. Fire Seeds is a spell, we dont ask you not to use Rain of arrows do we?</blockquote>Isnt fire seeds a clicky item, not a spell? </blockquote>Spell not clicky item. Fire Seeds Adept III, will post pic when i get home if you don't belive.

[Sonne]

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[Borias]

Vilesummon@Venekor wrote: <blockquote> I don't know who you are or what server you are playing on, but seriously to question the dedication and motivation of the city factions on Venekor would be a dumb statement. I am sure the exiles that are on our server will tell you; the city guilds move out when when they want for raids. The guild I personally belong to raids 4-5 times per week and have also tried to host some pvp events. We are still trying to work out some of the pvp things to best reflect the needs of all the players since we do have a EURO side that we need to factor into our hosting. Granted, most pvp encounters on VENE are actually group vs group, but that is our preference since a lot of people have some trouble with lag when it is x4 vs x4. We have had x2 vs x2s and had fun with that too, but seriously that was a dumb blanket statement.</blockquote><p> I question the motivation of your cities faction on my server.  I see you guys run out to your instances, then maybe toss out a group afterwards.  The pvp "events" failed badly because they were set on bad timeslots.(1pm on a saturday in the beginning of summer)  </p><p>Day after day after day we got out and look for pvp.  For qeynos we see the euros up and out during their good time.  Then in the evening it tapers off a lot.  I see a heck of a lot more of freeport these days.  Maybe 3x freeps to q's that will fight.  It's like pve with a dash of pvp over there in q-town.</p>

[Memmoch]

Notsovilepriest@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>The statement Vilesummon made was saying that we get PvP gear for sticking to one side, and since exiles have an easier time raiding high end content its the price you are going to pay. I don't want to here it's not easier to get the gear for exiles. PvP gear < Raid Gear. I want you to list any non-Exile Guild on a PvP server to clear all of EH. Also same thing for Avatars. You guys pick up better gear than the meager PvP gear that Exiles love to cry Oh, So Much about. Its decent to hold people over till they can get the raid gear. Exile = Easy Mode Raiding. Fact! </blockquote> This just makes me laugh, name 2 guilds on any faction that has cleared Avatars and all of EH.  You can't, there's only one guild on this server to date that has cleared all of EH and killed Avatars and that is Onyx.  We're the cream of the crop and for you to say that all of exiled can do it cause we can do it is just being a R-[Removed for Content].  On a side note, I'd take a full set of Defiler PVP set gear over EoF Set gear any day of the week thank you.

[Spider]

<cite>Memmoch wrote:</cite><blockquote>Notsovilepriest@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>The statement Vilesummon made was saying that we get PvP gear for sticking to one side, and since exiles have an easier time raiding high end content its the price you are going to pay. I don't want to here it's not easier to get the gear for exiles. PvP gear < Raid Gear. I want you to list any non-Exile Guild on a PvP server to clear all of EH. Also same thing for Avatars. You guys pick up better gear than the meager PvP gear that Exiles love to cry Oh, So Much about. Its decent to hold people over till they can get the raid gear. Exile = Easy Mode Raiding. Fact! </blockquote> This just makes me laugh, name 2 guilds on any faction that has cleared Avatars and all of EH.  You can't, there's only one guild on this server to date that has cleared all of EH and killed Avatars and that is Onyx.  We're the cream of the crop and for you to say that all of exiled can do it cause we can do it is just being a R-[I cannot control my vocabulary].  On a side note, I'd take a full set of Defiler PVP set gear over EoF Set gear any day of the week thank you. </blockquote><p>jsut because you have some slacker exile guilds on your server doesnt mean its not easier for exiles</p><p>and just because  faction cities dont have all the classes doesnt mean raiding is immpossible either jsut a bit more difficult  </p><p>in the end though the exiles KNEW  b4 going exiles what the down sides to exile were  and they knew that staying exile was going to be a long harsh road with lots of extra costs and loss of many things . Primarly because exile was NEVER ment to bea permanent faction its jsut turned into one on pvp servers due to somewhat easier raiding ( note somewhat not the ubar easymode some claim ) in the end everyone tends to exagerate there side of things a bit too much </p><p>and yes this item is a bit overpowered  in pvp </p><p>NOT because exiles can get it easier But because its simply overpowered in pvp and not well thought out  for pvp  it happens  esspecialy when pvp isnt the main focus of the game </p><p>so yes it should be toned down ( but not too much&nbsp<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> for pvp </p><p>but it should remain quite effective none the less  just not too over powering </p><p>in the end all good raid guilds will be able to attain it after all </p><p>i wouldnt want to work my tail off to get it and have it made worthless </p><p>at the same time i wouldnt want to earn somethign that totaly unbalanced the game and made pvp unchalanging either </p>

[Kasai]

Honestly, the people who don't want them to be nerfed are only saying it because they are one of the only guilds on the server that has spent enough time in EH learning strats and raiding to acutally kill the mob and get the item.  The fact that everyone can get it only makes the point stronger that it needs ot be nerfed.  Just because everyone can get somethin doesn't make it ok to overpower the item.  I mean, if everyone had access to an instant kill infinate ranger item with an instant cast time and instant recast time, it would still be overpowered and would still be needing a change.  I personanly don't care because i have stone skin and a cure but the item is definately overpowered and needs to be toned down.

[Raa]

In order to obtain Firescrolls it takes 24 people a minimum of 1-6weeks+ to get this item, should something that takes that long to aquire really suck [Removed for Content]? The Dots the only thing that needs nerfing, Last I checked TNW/Kracken have yet to get them with as long as they have been going into eh.

[Vilesummon]

Borias@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Vilesummon@Venekor wrote: <blockquote> I don't know who you are or what server you are playing on, but seriously to question the dedication and motivation of the city factions on Venekor would be a dumb statement. I am sure the exiles that are on our server will tell you; the city guilds move out when when they want for raids. The guild I personally belong to raids 4-5 times per week and have also tried to host some pvp events. We are still trying to work out some of the pvp things to best reflect the needs of all the players since we do have a EURO side that we need to factor into our hosting. Granted, most pvp encounters on VENE are actually group vs group, but that is our preference since a lot of people have some trouble with lag when it is x4 vs x4. We have had x2 vs x2s and had fun with that too, but seriously that was a dumb blanket statement.</blockquote><p> I question the motivation of your cities faction on my server.  I see you guys run out to your instances, then maybe toss out a group afterwards.  The pvp "events" failed badly because they were set on bad timeslots.(1pm on a saturday in the beginning of summer)  </p><p>Day after day after day we got out and look for pvp.  For qeynos we see the euros up and out during their good time.  Then in the evening it tapers off a lot.  I see a heck of a lot more of freeport these days.  Maybe 3x freeps to q's that will fight.  It's like pve with a dash of pvp over there in q-town.</p></blockquote> Tell you what Borias, you worry about the city faction motivations...and then knock the ATTEMPT at our guild for hosting an event at a time that isn't convenient for everyone. First off, at least we tried to do something. Second, given the fact that Weylon had given advance notice in threads on the forums...maybe, just maybe, you should have given more input AT THAT TIME instead of complaining about it after the fact. Sure we have some people running instances for the characters that are up in the 70 area now so that they can get the experience of the zones and also the gear from those zones so they can raid if they choose. Ironically, I specifically want to point out that it is ironic that you criticize people for doing something that some of us helped you and your precious exile-to-be buds do before you actually left the cities. Yeah, I was there with a few of SoS members in OOB because they needed that gear to survive the initial stages of exile since they were losing pvp gear. I also know for a fact that we do a lot more than run the instances. There were 4 of us that were out pvping for several hours at a time and then when the more of the guild showed up, we had 2 separate groups flying everywhere looking for pvp. Didn't realize we had to coordinate our schedule to yours...I must have missed that memo. Sorry man, people have things to do at different times and if they don't match up personally with your convenience....well, what can you do? It is ironic that during our time out we did see some people from guilds like Pie, Voices, Dauntless, but didn't see any SoS at that time. Does that mean we should make a big production out of the fact that you didn't have people out there? No, it means that it was a down time for you guys...life goes on. I am sure the Freep guilds will tell you that they have seen us out there and maybe you just need to set your alarms for a different time. I don't appreciate the fact that you take a shot at Weylon and his attempt to set an event that didn't work as well as he planned, but at least the Freep side were grateful that he tried and offered something constructive in the discussion...ie Abysses telling us what worked better for them. As for the OP, after seeing the damage on those things, I think it will end up scaled down a bit because the tick damage is high, but again, it is something SOE will have to toy around with too because we all know what skills read vs. what they do (after factoring in resists and such) can be two majorly different things.

[Borias]

<p>Wow your 119 account guild really had 2 groups out pvping at once?  I tip my hat sir, you clearly are filling the server with pvp action.  Do you want a cookie for mentioning one time that you went out to pvp and did not see us?  Should I go ahead and start sending you PM's every time I go pvp and find everyone but you guys?  Your mailbox would get filled up.</p><p>You can criticize us all you want, I personally probably helped more GW over the months than most of your guild did for us.  I don't go around waving that flag though.  And it doesn't matter that you put the time out early- people aren't likely to change work schedules or skip plans in the summer for it.  You want to talk about pvp events?  How about the majority of contested mob fights?  I've seen GW at one, for 2 fights.  I've seen no other Q's.  However, the freeps seem to come out like a swarm to fight/protect the mob.  Hours and hours of raid pvp.  You want an event?  Why don't you spread the word you're going to try a contested, when loot is involved some people come out at all costs to stop you.</p>

[Spider]

<cite>Raabe wrote:</cite><blockquote>In order to obtain Firescrolls it takes 24 people a minimum of 1-6weeks+ to get this item, should something that takes that long to aquire really suck [I cannot control my vocabulary]? The Dots the only thing that needs nerfing, Last I checked TNW/Kracken have yet to get them with as long as they have been going into eh. </blockquote> no ones saying it should be nerf to suckage jsut toned down to a reasonable level for pvp

[Odawnus Haste]

<cite>Spider wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raabe wrote:</cite><blockquote>In order to obtain Firescrolls it takes 24 people a minimum of 1-6weeks+ to get this item, should something that takes that long to aquire really suck [I cannot control my vocabulary]? The Dots the only thing that needs nerfing, Last I checked TNW/Kracken have yet to get them with as long as they have been going into eh. </blockquote> no ones saying it should be nerf to suckage jsut toned down to a reasonable level for pvp</blockquote><p>It doesnt one shot people. God abilities do more damage, it not easy to get, so why should it suck? Lvl req 65, it is reasonable for pvp. You just want it nerfed to suckage.</p>

[Spider]

Odawnus Haste wrote: <blockquote><cite>Spider wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raabe wrote:</cite><blockquote>In order to obtain Firescrolls it takes 24 people a minimum of 1-6weeks+ to get this item, should something that takes that long to aquire really suck [I cannot control my vocabulary]? The Dots the only thing that needs nerfing, Last I checked TNW/Kracken have yet to get them with as long as they have been going into eh. </blockquote> no ones saying it should be nerf to suckage jsut toned down to a reasonable level for pvp</blockquote><p>It doesnt one shot people. God abilities do more damage, it not easy to get, so why should it suck? Lvl req 65, it is reasonable for pvp. You just want it nerfed to suckage.</p></blockquote> /sigh wow your jsut here to troll and obviously havent read anything else in this post so why dont you  take a step bakc and jstu breath alittle ok chief ?

[Odawnus Haste]

<cite>Spider wrote:</cite><blockquote>Odawnus Haste wrote: <blockquote><cite>Spider wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raabe wrote:</cite><blockquote>In order to obtain Firescrolls it takes 24 people a minimum of 1-6weeks+ to get this item, should something that takes that long to aquire really suck [I cannot control my vocabulary]? The Dots the only thing that needs nerfing, Last I checked TNW/Kracken have yet to get them with as long as they have been going into eh. </blockquote> no ones saying it should be nerf to suckage jsut toned down to a reasonable level for pvp</blockquote><p>It doesnt one shot people. God abilities do more damage, it not easy to get, so why should it suck? Lvl req 65, it is reasonable for pvp. You just want it nerfed to suckage.</p></blockquote> /sigh wow your jsut here to troll and obviously havent read anything else in this post so why dont you  take a step bakc and jstu breath alittle ok chief ? </blockquote><p>Obviously you haven't read teh thread. So wont you put down teh bottle of lotion and pay attention more. </p>