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ailees

07-10-2007, 06:28 PM

I did not change AAs since last patch. I'm on AGILITY and WISDOM, with manaburn. My DPS went down dramatically. I was not sure, but here is an example. in Mistmoore inner sanctum ; my guild is a good casual raiding one, ; we cleaned all but last one. Of course I have never been THE high end wizard with 2K average, full temporal set and so on. But I was always in the top 3 of the guild, even 1st, and never with a difference greater than 100. LOOK now : Allies: (01:00:24) 18793,65 [Ailees-Manaburn-67379] Necro 1659,20 SK 1659,16 Brigand 1505,74 warlock 1377,20 ranger 1352,99 troubadour 1273,04 brigand 1147,43 troubadour 1136,84 ranger 1069,85 (I know he's not very good DPS wise) Ailees 1035,81 10th !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with an average that I was able to do one year ago. 600 down, 1/3 less than the necro and SK in which range I was 1 month ago. (troubadour in group, no VIM, no TC). Well, now what did YOU do to not loose DPS too much ? (NO, i will never have a full temporal set). BTW against a chaplain, I chained FUSION+IN+Firestorm and got .. 1600 ! [I cannot control my vocabulary] is that ? I don't really know what to do. Was speaking with a friend wizzy in the raid, who had same problem and had no idea as well. Not fun for us.Then if you did something to fix more or less ... I'd like to know.

IllusiveThoughts

07-10-2007, 06:38 PM

playing vg spoil your timing? I know when I go back and play my eq2 wiz i feel a bit cumbersome.

Dextera

07-10-2007, 06:54 PM

First off, chaining Fusion, Nova, and Firestorm does not yield great DPS. In fact, Firestorm is the 2nd to last DPS efficient spell you have. Make a DPS efficiency chart going by (Average Dmg / Cast Time + Recovery.) That's your first step. Also, make sure your Troubadour spec'd down the Don't Kill the Messenger AA Line, that is the primary reason he helps boost DPS (+Crit/Casting Speed.)With just a Troubador, Wizards should generally aim for the 1.5k-2.5k single target mark. Short duration fights (<1m) will yeild lower DPS if you spec'd AGI/WIS, but higher DPS if you spec'd AGI/STR. Your EoF AA build will also affect your DPS.

IllusiveThoughts

07-10-2007, 07:11 PM

Dextera@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>First off, chaining Fusion, Nova, and Firestorm does not yield great DPS. In fact, Firestorm is the 2nd to last DPS efficient spell you have. Make a DPS efficiency chart going by (Average Dmg / Cast Time + Recovery.) That's your first step. Also, make sure your Troubadour spec'd down the Don't Kill the Messenger AA Line, that is the primary reason he helps boost DPS (+Crit/Casting Speed.)With just a Troubador, Wizards should generally aim for the 1.5k-2.5k single target mark. Short duration fights (<1m) will yeild lower DPS if you spec'd AGI/WIS, but higher DPS if you spec'd AGI/STR. Your EoF AA build will also affect your DPS.</blockquote> alies has been around a while bud.secondly, fusion/firestorm/icenova is a high dps combo on a short ae fight, alies didn't give specifics as to what fight they used it on.

Dextera

07-11-2007, 12:18 AM

She asked for help, I'm helping. Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion.(No wonder you don't post on the 'other' forum Illusive, they'd rip you apart.)

ailees

07-11-2007, 02:29 AM

Please.. stop that. Will give no aid to me... Yes, I am a rather well trained wizard, have been playing for a long time, and roaming in here for a long while. I'm not uber in terms of equipment, but I think I play my little wiz rather well (of course I can be wrong, but I worked a lot with some people here to have the best AA list and spell chaining ; I've been parsing for 2 years now to look at results and modify my way). I never met a wizard who can overdps me in a RAID situation (with same equipment of course, Illusive, Fomka and others can do it with all fingers in their pocket, we don't play same game ... lol). This to mean that the problem is NOT with spell chaining : I have been playing that way for a long time, and I was in the top DPS of my raids. Going suddenly to 10th (TEN, do you understand ? [Removed for Content] is that ? people that I was beating by 30 or 50% are doing more damages now ?) My AAs (100) Agility : 4 4 6 8 1 Wisdom 4 7 4 8 1 wizard : FIRE sunstrike 3 irra 3 incap 1 Firestorm 3 fiery 1 bol 5 inferno 1 (error... thought I had enough points to go to fireshape) SHIELD Fortify 5 Vital 5 Accord 3 Vitalic 3 Cardinal 4 Manastorm ICE Rending 3 IN 5 ST 4 That's why I don't udnerztand what's occuring;;;; P.S. Of course, Illusive, when I compare my vanguard Sorcerer, only level 34, and her DPS, blam, blaam, blaaaaam ... Chaos volley 16 K ! Mimic boom 7K I cry when I come back to EQ2. But in EQ2 I have a nice top raiding family guild who will soon clean MIS and that stupid splitting worm in the green land. I'd like to have 5 pieces of set before next expansion. BTW, grats me, got gloves yesterday, even if my DPS was ridiculous.

IllusiveThoughts

07-11-2007, 02:33 AM

Dextera@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>She asked for help, I'm helping. Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion.(No wonder you don't post on the 'other' forum Illusive, they'd rip you apart.)</blockquote>you implied that ice nova / fusion / firestorm isn't good dps. I rebuttled on how it can be, and also informed you that aliees has been around longer than you have, and you mock me? I dont post on eequeeflames nor do I have any desire to.

Mareth

07-11-2007, 03:21 AM

<cite>ailees wrote:</cite><blockquote>P.S. Of course, Illusive, when I compare my vanguard Sorcerer, only level 34, and her DPS, blam, blaam, blaaaaam ... Chaos volley 16 K ! Mimic boom 7K I cry when I come back to EQ2. But in EQ2 I have a nice top raiding family guild who will soon clean MIS and that stupid splitting worm in the green land. I'd like to have 5 pieces of set before next expansion. BTW, grats me, got gloves yesterday, even if my DPS was ridiculous. </blockquote>Have you played vanguard enough that you might've temporarily lost the touch a bit at eq2? Because the wis lin in the previous patch suffered a 3.7% reduction to brainstorm (before factoring items), which isn't enough to justify the loss of dps you're seeing.

Dextera

07-11-2007, 03:24 AM

<cite>ailees wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please.. stop that. Will give no aid to me... Yes, I am a rather well trained wizard, have been playing for a long time, and roaming in here for a long while. I'm not uber in terms of equipment, but I think I play my little wiz rather well (of course I can be wrong, but I worked a lot with some people here to have the best AA list and spell chaining ; I've been parsing for 2 years now to look at results and modify my way). I never met a wizard who can overdps me in a RAID situation (with same equipment of course, Illusive, Fomka and others can do it with all fingers in their pocket, we don't play same game ... lol). This to mean that the problem is NOT with spell chaining : I have been playing that way for a long time, and I was in the top DPS of my raids. Going suddenly to 10th (TEN, do you understand ? [I cannot control my vocabulary] is that ? people that I was beating by 30 or 50% are doing more damages now ?) </blockquote> Haha. This is the primary reason these boards give such bad advice. You have the arrogance, but you're doing something wrong obviously, because you're parsing 1k as a Wizard. Most likely, it IS your spell chaining (and to a lesser extent you AAs, Power line sucks, but that's an entirely different issue.) Wizards are entirely capable of doing much better than what's displayed. For example, I'm in KoS/EoF Legendary gear and with just Syn/Troub I can hit upwards of nearly 3k on single target target trash in EH (I still have the parses.) The problem seems to be with your methods, not the class. Unfortunately, you'll get no more help from me, as you obviously believe you need no improving. I'd much rather give advice to those who wish to receive it.Yes Illusive, Ailees signed up earlier than I. Doesn't mean either of us played the entire time. I wonder how much that one extra month really matters.

Rigormortises

07-11-2007, 04:12 AM

You can throw 3k dps parses at me all you want. Most of those numbers are crap. You cant look at other peoples parses unless you know the zone wide dps of the raid as a whole. A good wizard will probably be around 7-10% of the zone wide parse with proper buffs. Id say even completely buffed out maybe reach 12% of the zone wide raid dps. In her case she wasnt close to that, id say something wrong with what you were casting and grp set up and so on...

Aurorelle

07-11-2007, 05:14 AM

Well, looked at logically, we assume you were doing the exact same thing you were doing on previous raids. We can also assume your gear has not changed dramatically since last time. So we can elminate those factors.We know the partch reduced the dps of those who take the Wis line by about 4%. Far too little to account for your much larger drop.So from you, we can expect a 4% drop. The rest has to be from other sources.Possibles are other classes. Were there classes not present who normally are? Or who were not performing as usual? If you did not have a troub and normally do, that will make a difference. If the mobs were not getting debuffs to resistances that they normally do, that would affect it too.Were you experiencing more lag than usual? If so, that can have a big effect. Lag directly reduces your dps by making you cast more slowly.Were you fighing mobs you had not fought before? If so, they may have been more resistant to heat/cold than ones you normally fight. I would imagine some of these things have to be the answer.

ailees

07-11-2007, 09:50 AM

DEXTERA : instead of insulting me, show me a parse, of course in the same zone (Mistmoor inner sanctum) zone wide of course. Don't speak about 3K, of course, but even 1500... I want to see. For others, who try to help, I thank you. This gave me some good thoughts. I read carefully what you said. No, first of all I don't think it is a Vanguard problem, and me mixing 2 games. I don't play vanguard a lot, and i am never in a raid. Group technics and solo are different from raid... I had the idea of taking back some old parses (January) and compare. Yes, 6 months ago, in the same zone, I was already not better ! With only a singer, I've always been less than 1.2 K average. Laggy zone also can explain a bit. Same month, but in another zone, easier : Freethinker hideout. Our guild cleans it. I don't take into account the 2 last mobs (in January first one wiped us, now they don't, but DPS is low) I had a DPS around 1500/1600 (with only singer, 300 more with TC). I'll parse again next time I go there. My hypothesis is that mobs in inner sanctum are much more resistant than those in FTH, fights are also much longer (or so short...) and then a standard wizard is more in trouble than meleers.

Dextera

07-11-2007, 12:35 PM

Here's the most recent parse of MMIS, not my best run =(. It's excluding Sanctum Chaperons, but I can add them if you wish (the DPS numbers are skewed by the 10-15s fights, and they respawn.)Zone: Mistmoore's Inner SanctumBuffs: Synergism/Troub/Templar (Warlocks have TC)Gear: <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=791499104" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">EQ2Players</a>[Name] [Damage] |[ExtDPS][Crits]|[Dmg%] Allies: (35:38) 52647664 | 24624.73 Warlock 5098836 | 2385 (2038) | 9% Warlock 4738458 | 2216 (500) | 9% Ranger 4700307 | 2198 (1354) | 8% Dextera 4286866 | 2005 (509) | 8% Illusionist 4074564 | 1906 (1177) | 7% Assassin 3825381 | 1789 (1540) | 7% Wizard 3615950 | 1691 (321) | 6% Illusionist 3298620 | 1543 (1207) | 6% Brigand 3141045 | 1469 (680) | 5% Bruiser 2346481 | 1098 (787) | 4% Enyti (Reflect High): (03:10) 4983435 | 26228.61 Illusionist 425021 | 2237 (130) | 8% Warlock 420052 | 2211 (173) | 8% Assassin 388140 | 2043 (146) | 7% Ranger 385958 | 2031 (107) | 7% Brigand 384221 | 2022 (108) | 7% Wizard 367241 | 1933 (23) | 7% Warlock 363074 | 1911 (48) | 7% Dextera 354818 | 1867 (71) | 7% Berzerker 344483 | 1813 (115) | 6% Illusionist 262615 | 1382 (92) | 5%D'Lizta Viswin: (02:30) 5081496 | 33876.64 Warlock 467342 | 3116 (156) | 9% Illusionist 402952 | 2686 (70) | 7% Warlock 395684 | 2638 (30) | 7% Dextera 381514 | 2543 (40) | 7% Ranger 376082 | 2507 (82) | 7% Assassin 337463 | 2250 (74) | 6% Wizard 321568 | 2144 (20) | 6% Illusionist 301949 | 2013 (62) | 5% Bruiser 270060 | 1800 (89) | 5% Brigand 266929 | 1780 (48) | 5%V'Tekla K'Zalk: (02:50) 5702558 | 33544.46 Warlock 539805 | 3175 (210) | 9% Warlock 499554 | 2939 (62) | 8% Ranger 475619 | 2798 (129) | 8% Assassin 401411 | 2361 (152) | 7% Brigand 392483 | 2309 (100) | 6% Illusionist 387817 | 2281 (110) | 6% Berzerker 385685 | 2269 (143) | 6% Dextera 363497 | 2138 (67) | 6% Wizard 341393 | 2008 (40) | 5% Illusionist 332093 | 1953 (154) | 5%D'Lizta Cheroon (Reflect High): (03:26) 5488678 | 26644.07 Warlock 546740 | 2654 (212) | 9% Illusionist 480387 | 2332 (120) | 8% Ranger 461999 | 2243 (130) | 8% Assassin 423961 | 2058 (143) | 7% Dextera 423448 | 2056 (44) | 7% Warlock 420656 | 2042 (41) | 7% Brigand 364265 | 1768 (83) | 6% Bruiser 333916 | 1621 (92) | 6% Wizard 320266 | 1555 (38) | 5% Guardian 282240 | 1370 (0) | 5%Tactian's Armor (Stun AoE): (03:48) 4923676 | 21595.07 Warlock 503123 | 2207 (44) | 10% Ranger 495694 | 2174 (133) | 10% Assassin 461315 | 2023 (273) | 9% Dextera 431134 | 1891 (40) | 8% Illusionist 418040 | 1834 (85) | 8% Warlock 381133 | 1672 (125) | 7% Wizard 316944 | 1390 (21) | 6% Brigand 296926 | 1302 (40) | 6% Bruiser 294692 | 1293 (114) | 5% Illusionist 294196 | 1290 (84) | 5%Mayong Mistmoore: (04:55) 5859151 | 19861.53 Warlock 693244 | 2350 (297) | 11% Dextera 632338 | 2144 (58) | 10% Warlock 622990 | 2112 (66) | 10% Ranger 609801 | 2067 (186) | 10% Illusionist 521157 | 1767 (173) | 8% Wizard 493284 | 1672 (41) | 8% Illusionist 409625 | 1389 (129) | 6% Assassin 274245 | 930 (85) | 4% Troubador 183074 | 621 (13) | 3% Dirge 176199 | 597 (6) | 3%I have a recent FTH parse in another post as well.

ailees

07-11-2007, 02:13 PM

rofl, we are not in the same kind of game hun... our BEST dpser is at 1600... we are not able (right now) to kill mayong. Then how do you want to compare ? and what help can you bring ?

SacDaddy420

07-11-2007, 05:30 PM

Dex, is that Rokkstar? jesus christ....I think I need to talk to some people..... and ailees....relax hun, maybe you just had a bad night. happens.

duuf

07-11-2007, 05:59 PM

Dirt naps have any impact? The new agro transfer nerfs seem to have made our tank group work harder to hold agro. Seems like my dirge is rezzing squishes nearly every time the spells refresh.

Darien al'Staff

07-12-2007, 01:14 PM

<cite>ailees wrote:</cite><blockquote> My AAs (100) Agility : 4 4 6 8 1 Wisdom 4 7 4 8 1 wizard : FIRE sunstrike 3 irra 3 incap 1 Firestorm 3 fiery 1 bol 5 inferno 1 (error... thought I had enough points to go to fireshape) SHIELD Fortify 5 Vital 5 Accord 3 Vitalic 3 Cardinal 4 Manastorm ICE Rending 3 IN 5 ST 4 That's why I don't udnerztand what's occuring;;;; P.S. Of course, Illusive, when I compare my vanguard Sorcerer, only level 34, and her DPS, blam, blaam, blaaaaam ... Chaos volley 16 K ! Mimic boom 7K I cry when I come back to EQ2. But in EQ2 I have a nice top raiding family guild who will soon clean MIS and that stupid splitting worm in the green land. I'd like to have 5 pieces of set before next expansion. BTW, grats me, got gloves yesterday, even if my DPS was ridiculous. </blockquote> A couple things: 1. prepatch I was agi/wis. Post patch, I'm still agi/wis <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I noticed little to any change. 2. I would tweak with your spell-rotation a tad. I know it's the most ego-intensive part of our game, but every once in a while we need to let our pride go <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I don't know what your rotations are, but look at them a bit. Then again, it could truly have nothing to do with your rotation. 3. Your AAs are tweaked ALL too hell <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> a. TOO MANY IN YOUR FIRE TREE 1. 3 points in firestorm really isn't worth it. 2. I would DEFIANTLY have 5 points in irradiate. 3. Fireshape and Infernosurge are NOT worth it. b. NOT ENOUGH IN YOUR ICE TREE! 1. 5 pts in Frigid Gift and Iceshape are ABSOLUTE MUSTS NO MATTER WHAT!!! 2. 5 points in Fusion is defiantly worth looking into. 3. IMO, 5 points in Glacial Winds is also worth looking into. c. I would ditch manaburn <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 1. IMO, manaburn is just not worth it. d. Missing some info...you seem to have about 10 aa pts un-accounted for. Where are they? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

iceriven2

07-12-2007, 01:35 PM

<cite>duuf wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dirt naps have any impact? The new agro transfer nerfs seem to have made our tank group work harder to hold agro. Seems like my dirge is rezzing squishes nearly every time the spells refresh. </blockquote>They never nerfed the agro transfers. they ended up changing them back before the update went live

ailees

07-12-2007, 02:34 PM

Beeglin@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote> 3. Your AAs are tweaked ALL too hell <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0"> a. TOO MANY IN YOUR FIRE TREE 1. 3 points in firestorm really isn't worth it. 2. I would DEFIANTLY have 5 points in irradiate. 3. Fireshape and Infernosurge are NOT worth it. b. NOT ENOUGH IN YOUR ICE TREE! 1. 5 pts in Frigid Gift and Iceshape are ABSOLUTE MUSTS NO MATTER WHAT!!! 2. 5 points in Fusion is defiantly worth looking into. 3. IMO, 5 points in Glacial Winds is also worth looking into. c. I would ditch manaburn <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0"> 1. IMO, manaburn is just not worth it. d. Missing some info...you seem to have about 10 aa pts un-accounted for. Where are they? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0"> </blockquote> ROFL, some months ago I was more or less that way. I changed to test manaburn, because it is so fun. But I think you are right, manaburn is a no way in terms of DPS (let's say at my level, i met some guys in the channel who regen so fast that they can almost chain manaburn with a standard rotation). Was too lazy to think a lot about it, but I guess I'll have to do. Maybe somethg like Ice RI 5 IN 5 EF 5 ST 4 IW 5 F 5 IS 1 Fire S 3 Ir 5 IC 5 Fs 3 FC 1 BoL 5 (still 3 in Firestorm... yes, testing)

Bright_Morn

07-12-2007, 04:53 PM

This is what I run with currently, and it works well for me. KoS: Agi - 4 4 6 8 2 Wis - 4 7 4 8 2 EoF: -Fire Sunstrike - 3 Irradiate - 5 Incapacitate - 3 Firestorm - 1 Fiery Confulsions - 5 Ball of Lava - 5 -Ice Rending Icicles - 5 IceNova - 5 Electrifying Flash - 5 Surging Tempest - 1 Glacial Wind - 1 Frigid Gift - 5 IceShape - 1

Darien al'Staff

07-12-2007, 05:15 PM

<cite>Bright_Morn wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is what I run with currently, and it works well for me. KoS: Agi - 4 4 6 8 2 Wis - 4 7 4 8 2 EoF: -Fire Sunstrike - 3 Irradiate - 5 Incapacitate - 3 Firestorm - 1 Fiery Confulsions - 5 Ball of Lava - 5 -Ice Rending Icicles - 5 IceNova - 5 Electrifying Flash - 5 Surging Tempest - 1 Glacial Wind - 1 Frigid Gift - 5 IceShape - 1 </blockquote>Don't underestimate 4 pts in surging tempest.

Bright_Morn

07-12-2007, 05:19 PM

Beeglin@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>Don't underestimate 4 pts in surging tempest. </blockquote>When they fix the spell to work properly I will consider it. (IE no spell mods effect it, ticks use up FHS, ect).

Ran

07-16-2007, 04:11 AM

@Dexteria i'm wonder about what you spec'd for in KoS also in EoF and what spell order on single and encounter Mobs you're using.