Assassin T1 dps?

[Tass]

<p>Ok I am tired of seeing brigs making the top of the parse.  Either brigs are dps or they are debuffers.  They should not even parse anywhere near an assassin.  I rolled an assassin for PURE DPS during raids, because that is the type of class I wanted to play.  I out parse every single brig in the guild but yet raid leader always sticks me in the worse groups.  I get stuck in the off tank group for a hate transfer and even that group I usually ask for dps buff I find out that the healer in the group has put his buffs on a bruiser, brig, or sk.  When I'm not stuck in the off tank group I'm put down in another group while a brig is up in a group with a dirge!!!!  Its amazing how classes that shouldn't even get dps buffs get into good group set ups, while those that should are shuffled down to fill-in groups.</p><p> I find it amazing that if brigs wanted to DPS then maybe they should have rolled an assassin.  Most brigs I see even with a fury and dirge parse about 1600 where as I parse just below them with out the buffs, while parsing 2200 when I have the same buffs.  Now I can't blame Sony for the ignorance of healers putting aggitate or w/e on a brig or SK (especially ones that don't even break 1k dps) I can blame sony for uping the dps on certain classes.  If I played a brig, sk, or bruiser I wouldn't expect to get dps buffs over other classes since it makes more since to have the T1 dps with all the buffs.</p><p>I really hope assassin gets dps love in expansion.</p>

[CyriexVTZ]

......... I've *never* seen a brig at the top of a parse.... Swashys..sure, they can emulate T1 DPS..when they're played well and they're given a fury, chanter and a dirge to buff them and I just get a inquisitor..but even then I normally manage to keep the rogue where they should be..below us now as for your raid makeup, with the diminishing returns situation, the buff choices you describe make a some sense. A T7 Fabled equipped assassin, with adornments, quested gear and a few lucky drops, can get to around 103 DPS MOD (aka 93%) In which case, do you really need more DPS MOD compared to a brig, swashy, SK, or brawler? They'll probably all see a much larger return on DPS MOD buffs at least. For an imaginary example, you may gain 200 more DPS from 20 DPS MOD, but thanks to the diminishing returns curve the brig and brawler may see a 300 DPS improvement from that same buff. Which is better for the raid? Same goes for STR, having nosebleed STR scraping near 1000 is no where near as good as it used to be - its alot better for your raids DPS as a whole to have a bunch of folk all hanging in the 700's doing considerable DPS for their class. Now of course, Haste is another matter, we don't have much of that so we get huge bonuses from even relatively small amounts - perhaps you could point out the huge benefits of haste to your DPS to your raid leader and get yourself snuck in with a Troub or Illusionist for your troubles, hehe. I sympathise with your situation, but at the same time I understand your raid leaders requirement to get every class, not just the T1 DPSers, doing as much DPS as possible - the simple fact is we don't NEED buffs to be awesome, all the other suckers do <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> IMHO We don't need DPS love in the expansion, we just need care and attention being made to ensure we stay right where we are in the big scheme of things - The best melee DPS class in the game, even when we're not all that well buffed

[Tass]

<p>Ok freeport guild on a pvp server limited to freeport and neutral classes.</p><p>Spamming CAs or waiting for autoattacks does not seem to help me at all on parse.  I know I'm missing something.</p><p>608 str w/o rallos pet, 175 Int, 30% haste, 93 DPS mod, 404 piercing, Wurmslayer main-hand and Balanced Magnetic Dagger offhand.  Only crit gear i have is 2% cloak, 2% on boots, and Relic Hunter Solitaire (+1% crit).  Fully Mastered except 3-4 spells.  Can't get The League Quest line in Loping done no one will go into CMM even with SoD out now.  I parse 1800-2200 depending on mob, zone, and group makeup.  I would love to parse morebut unless I'm missing something I don't parse higher.  Many of the EOF raid zones I usually don't have a mana regen in group so have to use mental breach for power.  I did a percent calculation of hits versus swings is usually about 90%.</p><p>I don't think we even have a troub in the guild lol.  Usually only have one or 2 dirges on with 1 or 2 coercers.  The group i am usually in is SK, bruiser or brig or beserker, Inquisitor, and another healer depends on turn out which is usually ma or offtank group.  Usually though all I get is defiler if with a fury if I'm lucky lucky.  While the brig and 1 assassin usually  has a fury, coercer, bruiser etc in it.  If I have a fury at all agitate usually ends up on brig.  If I have a Inq usually ends up on brig, depends on which players (I have noticed some players buff brigs and some buff assassins depends on person playing and class of healer for example).  Raided other night had Inquisitor thats not usually grouped with me he had consecrated aura cast on tank and either himself and a brig/bruiser.  I also have 70 Inquisitor and wondered why he had it cast on brig not me....started arguement let it drop.  I understand what your saying, but every class is supposed to parse between certain ranges.  Part of that is group makeup and buffs and gear.  Another class should not be buffed to bring up their parse when their whole purpose is not to dps.  Assassin has little to no utility so therefore should be nothing but DPS.</p>

[CyriexVTZ]

<jumps onto his soap box> Disclaimer : The Following is my humble opinion. Being a T1 DPS class is not about being #1 on every single parse, or ever single zonewide. Nor 'Joint #1' with other T1 DPSers. Its not about doing more DPS than every other class under every single circumstance. My definition of being a T1 DPS class is: Unbuffed, you will provide your raid force with more DPS than any non-T1 DPS class. If it is your raid leaders decision to give a considerable amount of buffs to other DPS classes, and in the process you're not #1 on the parse..big deal. Let your ego slide a little and look at the big picture. The simple fact is, whatever # you are on the parse, whatever DPS you're providing the raid, you're doing so with considerable less 'drain' on your raid force than any DPSers who required 4 buffers to get them that high. That is a huge benefit for a raid force. Having two DPSers doing 2000 DPS is better than one doing 1000 and another doing 2200. If one of those DPSers (the assassin) can do that 2000 DPS self buffed, then tada, its a 'free' 2000 for the raid force to utilise, leaving the raid force room to buff the non-T1 DPSer so they can do 2000 DPS too. Accept the fact that you're a victim of your own classes success, you don't need buffs to do your job. You're there to help your raid force by providing as much DPS as you can. Your high natural DPS enables buffs to be focused on bringing up lower DPS classes to considerably higher levels. With Diminishing returns this is a very efficient way of maximizing a raids DPS and so, raiding as you are, getting the limited buffs you are, doing as much DPS as you are regardless, you're doing your bit to ensure your raids DPS is as high as possible. Forget the parse, forget the numbers, they're meaningless anyway, all that matters is you get the job done, you get the mobs dead, and your RAIDS DPS (not your own) is as high as possible. /end rant

[Siclone]

yeah my view is why are you ranting about your group set up here?  Deal with that issue with your guild.  Thats a guild issue and face the fact,  all DPS classes can or have the ability to out DPS you depending on the circumstance. there is no T1 tiers with DPS.  Rogues will and can out dps you, it just depends on things. tiers really only exist when it comes to utility (--things a toon have to offer a group or raid, or gives you flexblity and survivability that others dont have -) some have a lot ,,,,some don't have much,,,,,DPS really is not a factor in this, just look at a swahies or a necro to confirm that. 

[Jayad]

The off-tank group doesn't need a hate transfer. Sounds like something screwy is going on in your setup. But as somebody said, that's an issue with your guilds, not classes. A well-played brigand can parse pretty high, but they have to give up some common AA stuff to spec for DPS. Do you want brigands without TS? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[grish]

Hrm, our offtank often times wants hate transfer more often than not in EOF raid situations.

[Lord Montague]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......Dead horse.

[Darkfir3]

This is exactly why I miss tass being guilded<img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />