Which 2 weapons do I use ( pics included )

[Nerill]

I have yet to put an adornment on the Razor Gauntlets. Which 2 out of these 3 weapons would you use when trying to maximize DPS ? What adornment should I put on the Razor Gauntlets if I am to use them ? <img src="http://members.cox.net/ezcrash1/weapons.jpg" border="0">

[Bladewind]

Which KoS AAs do yo have?  I'd probably use the razor gauntlets no matter what and then the scepter if you have the agi line or marr's fist if you do not.  Assuming you have maxx'd out crits, the razor gaunts will pump out a nice chunk of damage with that high max.

[Nerill]

My KoS AAs are typical .... 4-4-8 Wis / Int / Sta

[Timaarit]

With those 3, you will end up losing autoattack DPS. The Marr's Fist goes to 0,71 second delay with haste cap (easy to gain in raids) and CA+reuse is always 1s so your autoattack will be hitting once per second regardless of haste. The Razor Gauntlet is the best of those 3 because it scales down to 1,1s delay so in optimal timing you can use CA's without any loss in autoattack DPS. The Scepter of Destruction is by far the worst of those 3, with 125% haste its delay goes to 0,53 seconds so you end up losing half of its autoattack DPS when using CA's. Of you options, you really should go for another 2,5s delay weapon. I think Fists of Bashing are one as is the Hardshell Sharpened Baton that drops from Bonesnapper. The first is tradeable, the second is no-trade. If not, I myself used Marr's Fist and Razor Gauntlets for a while but got a noticable improvement in DPS when I got the Baton and stopped using Marr's Fist.

[Bewts]

<p>I have a simple way of looking at what weapons to use:</p><p>I take the two weapons I have with the highest max damage and use them.  I don't think procs totalling 2-3% of your damage will make up for the difference in auto attack damage on a weapon that has a 60 max damage compared to one that is 100+ max damage.  Damage rating means nothing to someone at or near max haste, so I ignore that value entirely.  Delay only factors in when I am comparing more than 2 weapons in the 100+ max damage category.</p><p>From what pics you posted, I'd go Razor Gauntlets primary, Marr's Fist Secondary and I'd keep my eyes open for a Fist of Bashing to replace Marr's Fist.</p><p>A more complicated way to check which weapon setup to use is typing the command /weaponstats</p><p>It should give you the breakdown of what your damage ranges are and your applied delays.  Fist of Bashing as an example:</p><p>Name: Fists of Bashing Base Damage: 53 - 124 <b>Actual Damage: 176 - 411</b> Actual Delay: 1.3 Proc Percent: 7.5% Procs Per Minute: 1.8</p><p>Secondary: Name: Closing Time Base Damage: 32 - 74 Actual Damage: 105 - 244 Actual Delay: 0.9 Proc Percent: 4.8% Procs Per Minute: 1.8</p><p>Ranged: Name: pristine tailored dragonhide pouch Base Damage: 62 - 186 Actual Damage: 207 - 621 Actual Delay: 1.5 Proc Percent: 8.4% Procs Per Minute: 1.8</p><p>For me, as I am not the best equipped person and just looted Fist of Bashing 2 nights ago, I compared Fist of Bashing and Closing Time with my barehands.  This is what weaponstats says my barehands do:</p><p>Name: fist Base Damage: 72 - 119 <b>Actual Damage: 225 - 375 </b>Actual Delay: 1.3 Proc Percent: 7.5% Procs Per Minute: 1.8</p><p>Now consider I will be double attacking for up to 375 max damage 96% of the time, I compare 750 max damage to the max damage of Fist of Bashing plus whatever weapon I would be using(655 right now).  Still, until I get a second weapon worth its salt, bare hands will be better for me.  It would be nice if I could use bare hands in primary and FoB in secondary until I find a better weapon than Closing Time....</p><p>It may just be wishful thinking but while using FoB and CT instead of HtH, I was parsing over 1k dps more often per encounter than I was before.  Due to my weak group I normally get into, I parse around 800-900 dps using HtH so seeing 4 figure DPS numbers was easy to notice.</p>

[RogueSpideyChick]

DEFINITELY razor gauntlets in ur primary & out of the other 2, id say marr's fist. DEFINITELY try to getta fist of bashing or the baton from the x2 crab. ive noticed a HUGE increase since i got the razor & switched out my fist of pain for the baton (which i pretty much use all the time now) & fob. & i THINK (cant remember cause it's been a while since i put it on) i have a poison dmg proc on my razor...but i cant remember. ill have to check when i get home

[Nerill]

I have Fists of Bashing, Fists of Pain and The Bonetooth Skewer all in my bags. So basically, use the <b>Razor Gauntlets & Fists of Bashing while raiding</b>. Then what ? <i>Gauntlets and Marr's Fist for solo ?</i>

[Bladewind]

<p>I solo and tank with marr's fist (vampiric adornment).  Anytime you are going to have aggro, that nice 'on deflect proc' will make life easier.  Attaching a lifetap to it makes it even better.  Pairing it up with the razor gauntles should be pretty ideal.  You lose a touch of health (~50) since the gauntlets do not have any sta on them, but the damage they put out should make up for it.</p><p>I know many people eschew tanking with dw weapons, but I just have not experienced the obscene riposte rate that people talk about.  I usually have a warden accuracy buff on me, though, so that probably mimimizes the ripostes I see relative to the average brawler tanking with dw weapons.</p>

[Deathspell]

Where do the Razor Gauntlets drop?

[Timaarit]

From Tacticians Armor in MMIS

[Junaru]

Also remember that with a 2.5s weapon at max haste you want to delay using your CA's 0.1s. If you don't you would lose 90% of your haste benefits. If you queue up your CA's you will be auto attacking every 2 seconds. because you would miss an auto attack due to the 0.1s left on the weapon delay. I also agree, FoB(off) and RG(main) would be your best combination. If you ever get the AGI line and put 5 AA into baton flurry then a 1.6s delay weapon is a very good option. This is what I run using both Twins.

[Nerill]

Thank you all for the info and help. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It's too bad that the Scepter of Destruction is not good for me in <b>either</b> a solo or raid setup. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It just looks so friggen cool ! <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Hissori]

Well, I tested this last night to a certain extent in MMIS. I do not have 2 2.5 weapons, but I do have the FOB. For reference my AA build is AGI WIS INT 448 with the extra point in baton flurry. I tried the AGI STA INT build for quite a wile, but have noticeable dps increase with the wis instead of sta lines. Crane Twirl  (ae proc) is always in my top 5 zonewide damage parse. My usual setup is Scepter of Destruction primary and Bone Skewer Secondary. Both have a delay of 1.2, roughly the same damage, and in the raid situation, my actual was .6 delay. So for the test I used FoB Primary and Scepter secondary. FoB delay is 2.5 and actual raid delay was 1.2 with haste. The proc percent on FoB was 7 percent and the Scepter was 3.5 percent. I noticed 1.2 is still really fast and was very hard to time ca's "between" hits. So I did the best I could, obviously not a master at this yet. The FoB max crit hit ended up being 2x that of the scepter. So I can see how using "two" high damage weapons would probably be best in the long run. Unfortunately the Razor Gauntlets didn't drop last night <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Now for my test, I actually showed a "lower" parse zonewide then I did with my regular setup of the BS and Scepter. Even though the FOB has a higher proc percent (2x that of the Scepter) My Crane Twirl procced far less and was down around 10th on my zonewide parse compared to the usual 5th when using Scepter in Main. So for my tests, the Scepter of Destruction and Bone Skewer did better dps zonewide and procced Crane Twirl  more often then having the slower/higher proc percent FoB in Primary. Also for reference, we use the exact same group setup/members every raid, so buffs etc are consistent as far as dps, haste, str etc. My group consists of Mystic, Dirge, Brigand, Zerker, Monk, Ranger. Edit: To answer the above post, Scepter of Destruction and Bone Skewer are GREAT for keeping aggro while tanking in regular groups as well. Most single group tanks hate me. Even without using the aggro proc.