Pvp level ranges

[Jart]

<p>I would personally like to see the pvp level ranges in zones lowered. The chances of beating someone 10 levels higher are slim to none - change the ranges and pvp automatically becomes a bit more balanced in most areas.</p><p>What do you reckon folks?</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Jart wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I would personally like to see the pvp level ranges in zones lowered. The chances of beating someone 10 levels higher are slim to none - change the ranges and pvp automatically becomes a bit more balanced in most areas.</p><p>What do you reckon folks?</p></blockquote>I dont mind the 10 lvl range in t6. I dontmind the 8 lvl range in TS/Nek either, even though, 8 lvls in that tier is far more than 10 lvls in t6.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Jart wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I would personally like to see the pvp level ranges in zones lowered. The chances of beating someone 10 levels higher are slim to none - change the ranges and pvp automatically becomes a bit more balanced in most areas.</p><p>What do you reckon folks?</p></blockquote> I think it should be 10 levels in TS/NEK, and 8 levels in ant/cl like it used to be.

[Bloodfa]

I'd like 'em opened wider.  Especially in Antonica.  4 levels, what a joke.

[Rattfa]

It used to be 8 levels in t2 zones. It doesnt need to be lower.

[Bjerde]

They don't need to be lower. I thought 8 in T2 was fine, but that was changed. As you level there should be more risk as you venture out into the world, so the ten lvl range is ok imo.

[Armironhead]

god the last reduction in pvp lvls was bad enough, I certainly hope they don't do anything like it again.  However, if SOE was to reduce the lvls again I would certainly hope that they also make one of the servers ffa, so that the refuges from the lvl nerfing have some place to go.

[sprogn]

SS needs to be FFA range imo.  Get those little fame leeches off the docks...

[Vilesummon]

<cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote>SS needs to be FFA range imo.  Get those little fame leeches off the docks...</blockquote><span style="font-size: medium">Amen, the first generation of pvpers on the servers had to endure many beating on the t6 zones...and it should go back to unlimited range. 10 levels is a joke really since the resist mechanisms and such don't properly work and characters that are 20 levels lower can take out raid geared mobs. Yep, SS should go back to unlimited so we have the right of first strike.</span>

[Bozidar]

Vilesummon@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote>SS needs to be FFA range imo.  Get those little fame leeches off the docks...</blockquote><span style="font-size: medium">Amen, the first generation of pvpers on the servers had to endure many beating on the t6 zones...and it should go back to unlimited range. 10 levels is a joke really since the resist mechanisms and such don't properly work and characters that are 20 levels lower can take out raid geared mobs. Yep, SS should go back to unlimited so we have the right of first strike.</span> </blockquote>Agreed

[Cyst]

<p>A 70 farming level 60+ isn't enough, I need to farm them all!</p><p>Making SS and PoF open levels would maked 45-60 near impossible. You'd take away more than 100 quests you can do at those levels in those two zones, and make the two best T6 harvesting spots untouchable by people who NEED them. At 70 you already have your PvP gear and raid gear, so who cares right?</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>A 70 farming level 60+ isn't enough, I need to farm them all!</blockquote> folks out in SS, in a group, have a better than average chance of killing a 70 if they get the first shot in (assuming that neither side of the fight sucks).  I'm talking guys in their 40's, and it not being a tough fight.  Give the 70's first-shot back in, and make the moochers at the carpet go away..

[songsta]

Yes let soe lower them so the only people you can fight are your level!!!!! NOOO OPEN EM BACK TO 8!!!!!!

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>A 70 farming level 60+ isn't enough, I need to farm them all!</blockquote> folks out in SS, in a group, have a better than average chance of killing a 70 if they get the first shot in (assuming that neither side of the fight sucks).  I'm talking guys in their 40's, and it not being a tough fight.  Give the 70's first-shot back in, and make the moochers at the carpet go away.. </blockquote><p> And it only takes two 70s to whipe out a well geared group of 50-58s. For that matter when my group ran around at 58 we tried to gank a level 70 Warlock who whiped us and we have never lost a group on group fight against those in our range.. It was eye opening.</p><p>10 levels is fine, maybe 12, but not open.</p><p>Making SS and PoF open levels would maked 45-60 near impossible. You'd take away more than 100 quests you can do at those levels in those two zones, and make the two best T6 harvesting spots untouchable by people who NEED them. At 70 you already have your PvP gear and raid gear, so who cares right?</p>

[Siphar]

<p>Myself and a lot of older PvP'ers already had to deal with open PvP range in places like SS.</p><p>We got all our quests done, why can't you?</p><p>The point was back then, not many people farmed the grey because they didn't give tokens or infamy, just faction and a decent grp of 40's can wipe a 70 with ease depending on class configurations, gear and skill.</p>

[Amphibia]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A 70 farming level 60+ isn't enough, I need to farm them all!</p><p>Making SS and PoF open levels would maked 45-60 near impossible. You'd take away more than 100 quests you can do at those levels in those two zones, and make the two best T6 harvesting spots untouchable by people who NEED them. At 70 you already have your PvP gear and raid gear, so who cares right?</p></blockquote>Not true at all. I did all those quests while being chased around by hordes of faction hungry 70's. I was always solo too. With no evac. Back then there was XP debt as well, something lowbies nowadays don't have to worry about. It was a little more challenging than now, but impossible? Far from it.

[sprogn]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A 70 farming level 60+ isn't enough, I need to farm them all!</p><p>Making SS and PoF open levels would maked 45-60 near impossible. You'd take away more than 100 quests you can do at those levels in those two zones, and make the two best T6 harvesting spots untouchable by people who NEED them. At 70 you already have your PvP gear and raid gear, so who cares right?</p></blockquote>Not true at all. I did all those quests while being chased around by hordes of faction hungry 70's. I was always solo too. With no evac. Back then there was XP debt as well, something lowbies nowadays don't have to worry about. It was a little more challenging than now, but impossible? Far from it. </blockquote><p>Exactly.  Most 70's will ignore greys anyway - unless you're little fame ganking [Removed for Content] that have pulled x2 T5 squads on T7 squishies....</p><p>Then you're gonna get what's coming to ya =P </p>

[Bloodfa]

<cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A 70 farming level 60+ isn't enough, I need to farm them all!</p><p>Making SS and PoF open levels would maked 45-60 near impossible. You'd take away more than 100 quests you can do at those levels in those two zones, and make the two best T6 harvesting spots untouchable by people who NEED them. At 70 you already have your PvP gear and raid gear, so who cares right?</p></blockquote>Not true at all. I did all those quests while being chased around by hordes of faction hungry 70's. I was always solo too. With no evac. Back then there was XP debt as well, something lowbies nowadays don't have to worry about. It was a little more challenging than now, but impossible? Far from it. </blockquote><p>Exactly.  Most 70's will ignore greys anyway - unless you're little fame ganking [I cannot control my vocabulary] that have pulled x2 T5 squads on T7 squishies....</p><p>Then you're gonna get what's coming to ya =P </p></blockquote>Well said.  I'd be all for that.  Back to the old level ranges.  T6 <i>should</i> be a dangerous place for the 40's to be.  And it should still be dangerous for the 50's.  Put a little risk back into it, clear out the carpet-huggers, and make me <i>want</i> to bring my 37 Warden in to see if I can run the gauntlet.  I miss those "Oh, ****, here he comes .... RUN!!!!!!" days.

[Cyst]

<cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A 70 farming level 60+ isn't enough, I need to farm them all!</p><p>Making SS and PoF open levels would maked 45-60 near impossible. You'd take away more than 100 quests you can do at those levels in those two zones, and make the two best T6 harvesting spots untouchable by people who NEED them. At 70 you already have your PvP gear and raid gear, so who cares right?</p></blockquote>Not true at all. I did all those quests while being chased around by hordes of faction hungry 70's. I was always solo too. With no evac. Back then there was XP debt as well, something lowbies nowadays don't have to worry about. It was a little more challenging than now, but impossible? Far from it. </blockquote><p>Exactly.  Most 70's will ignore greys anyway - unless you're little fame ganking [I cannot control my vocabulary] that have pulled x2 T5 squads on T7 squishies....</p><p>Then you're gonna get what's coming to ya =P </p></blockquote><p>You honestly believe a 70 wouldn't kill a grey for the fame, really?</p><p>If you're attackable with fame, you will not be left alone until they can no longer get fame off you. You and I know this, so why pretend otherwise? Level 70 players are just as cheap as the lower levels you're accusing of being cheap. They still zone hope, carpet and cloud jump, and gank anyone they can easily beat for fame. The silliness doesn't change once you hit 70, it remains the same.</p><p>I've had a raid x2 group of 70s chase me a level 63 because I was a Champion, and because I could give tokens.. That's all that mattered. They even laughed when I evac'd, but latter when I caught one alone, did he fight me? No, he ran yet he was one of the people who laughed.</p><p>When I would harvest in KoS from 45+ I had many 70s Destroyer - Dreadnaught chasing me because my rank was Champion. They wasn't looking for a fight, they were trying to farm my fame, nothing else.</p><p>So don't kid yourselves. </p>

[Cyst]

Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A 70 farming level 60+ isn't enough, I need to farm them all!</p><p>Making SS and PoF open levels would maked 45-60 near impossible. You'd take away more than 100 quests you can do at those levels in those two zones, and make the two best T6 harvesting spots untouchable by people who NEED them. At 70 you already have your PvP gear and raid gear, so who cares right?</p></blockquote>Not true at all. I did all those quests while being chased around by hordes of faction hungry 70's. I was always solo too. With no evac. Back then there was XP debt as well, something lowbies nowadays don't have to worry about. It was a little more challenging than now, but impossible? Far from it. </blockquote><p>Exactly.  Most 70's will ignore greys anyway - unless you're little fame ganking [I cannot control my vocabulary] that have pulled x2 T5 squads on T7 squishies....</p><p>Then you're gonna get what's coming to ya =P </p></blockquote>Well said.  I'd be all for that.  Back to the old level ranges.  T6 <i>should</i> be a dangerous place for the 40's to be.  And it should still be dangerous for the 50's.  Put a little risk back into it, clear out the carpet-huggers, and make me <i>want</i> to bring my 37 Warden in to see if I can run the gauntlet.  I miss those "Oh, ****, here he comes .... RUN!!!!!!" days. </blockquote><p> I see level 70s hug carpets as much as a 40 or 50 would. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Dangerous? Do you honestly believe it isn't dangerous now with those your level, or within 10 levels? Seriously? Where is the sport in a level 70 killing a 50, or a 40?</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You honestly believe a 70 wouldn't kill a grey for the fame, really?</p><p>If you're attackable with fame, you will not be left alone until they can no longer get fame off you. You and I know this, so why pretend otherwise? Level 70 players are just as cheap as the lower levels you're accusing of being cheap. They still zone hope, carpet and cloud jump, and gank anyone they can easily beat for fame. The silliness doesn't change once you hit 70, it remains the same.</p><p>I've had a raid x2 group of 70s chase me a level 63 because I was a Champion, and because I could give tokens.. That's all that mattered. They even laughed when I evac'd, but latter when I caught one alone, did he fight me? No, he ran yet he was one of the people who laughed.</p><p>When I would harvest in KoS from 45+ I had many 70s Destroyer - Dreadnaught chasing me because my rank was Champion. They wasn't looking for a fight, they were trying to farm my fame, nothing else.</p><p>So don't kid yourselves. </p></blockquote> You don't get fame from a grey unless they attack first.

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You honestly believe a 70 wouldn't kill a grey for the fame, really?</p><p>If you're attackable with fame, you will not be left alone until they can no longer get fame off you. You and I know this, so why pretend otherwise? Level 70 players are just as cheap as the lower levels you're accusing of being cheap. They still zone hope, carpet and cloud jump, and gank anyone they can easily beat for fame. The silliness doesn't change once you hit 70, it remains the same.</p><p>I've had a raid x2 group of 70s chase me a level 63 because I was a Champion, and because I could give tokens.. That's all that mattered. They even laughed when I evac'd, but latter when I caught one alone, did he fight me? No, he ran yet he was one of the people who laughed.</p><p>When I would harvest in KoS from 45+ I had many 70s Destroyer - Dreadnaught chasing me because my rank was Champion. They wasn't looking for a fight, they were trying to farm my fame, nothing else.</p><p>So don't kid yourselves. </p></blockquote> You don't get fame from a grey unless they attack first.</blockquote><p> BS.. Unless it was changed in last patch you still do.. I always did.. But I've been leveling towards 70 since the patch.. 58-63 and waiting on vitality to build. As a Ranger greys never got the chance to attack me.</p><p>I've lost fame multiple times to 70s when I was 45-58. Remember that 70 Warlock who whiped our level 58 group? We were all Champions and he got Dreadnaught off us.</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> BS.. Unless it was changed in last patch you still do.. I always did.. But I've been leveling towards 70 since the patch.. 58-63 and waiting on vitality to build. As a Ranger greys never got the chance to attack me.</p><p>I've lost fame multiple times to 70s when I was 45-58. Remember that 70 Warlock who whiped our level 58 group? We were all Champions and he got Dreadnaught off us.</p></blockquote><p> Then you attacked first.</p><p>I've been jumped by reds plenty of times and lost no fame to them, despite being in their title range.  Been that way for a while.  Maybe it's different in the unlimited zones?  Dunno.</p>

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> BS.. Unless it was changed in last patch you still do.. I always did.. But I've been leveling towards 70 since the patch.. 58-63 and waiting on vitality to build. As a Ranger greys never got the chance to attack me.</p><p>I've lost fame multiple times to 70s when I was 45-58. Remember that 70 Warlock who whiped our level 58 group? We were all Champions and he got Dreadnaught off us.</p></blockquote><p> Then you attacked first.</p><p>I've been jumped by reds plenty of times and lost no fame to them, despite being in their title range.  Been that way for a while.  Maybe it's different in the unlimited zones?  Dunno.</p></blockquote>I got fame all the time killing greys in Obelisk. I killed them before they could attack.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>I got fame all the time killing greys in Obelisk. I killed them before they could attack. </blockquote> When?

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>I got fame all the time killing greys in Obelisk. I killed them before they could attack. </blockquote> When?</blockquote> Between 40-58.. I didn't level past 58 till the most recent patch. I always hung out in Obelisk for the 10 level difference and to kill the bots bringing far to many Master 1s into Freeport.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>I got fame all the time killing greys in Obelisk. I killed them before they could attack. </blockquote> When?</blockquote> Between 40-58.. I didn't level past 58 till the most recent patch. I always hung out in Obelisk for the 10 level difference and to kill the bots bringing far to many Master 1s into Freeport.</blockquote>I mean chronologically.. the date.. when?

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>I got fame all the time killing greys in Obelisk. I killed them before they could attack. </blockquote> When?</blockquote> Between 40-58.. I didn't level past 58 till the most recent patch. I always hung out in Obelisk for the 10 level difference and to kill the bots bringing far to many Master 1s into Freeport.</blockquote>I mean chronologically.. the date.. when?</blockquote>Seriously? What day did the last patch go in? Go a month back.

[ailen]

<p>Demron, when did you start this game?</p><p>Seriously the best pvp to be had was in sinking sands when it was a full open level limit range.  I levelled 2 characters to 70 through those times, when EoF didn't exist and there wasn't another zone like LFAY to go level in.  did I get griefed? You betcha.  I was 35 points of Qeynos Guard faction to any Q that can legitimately kill me over level 10.  when I hit 70 I killed many grays out there until I hit my max faction and could buy my PvP sword.  It was fun for me to get chased, but I could always say.. so and so in x location and people would come kill them, because they could.  I got chased out by 70s.. I got griefed... it's PvP afterall. It was the closest thing we had to FFA PvP on this server which a lot of people crave so desperately.  </p><p>This game is missing the component of zone control.  we kill you, make you leave, you come back with more, kill us make us leave.. the cycle goes on and on until everyone from both cities is out there fighting because they can... I miss those days... </p><p>Right now that zone is one click and people can sit there in level limit range, jumpin in on fights stealing fame taking tokens doing all the shady things that grays do.  There are entire x2 raids of level 58-59s (Semper Fi anyone?) that bring a ton of people to kill level 70s and they have no problem doing it... is it hard for them or some kind of great feat?  Nope.. the way the game works you need to run like crazy or you're gonna get killed by a group of level 45s.. because just about everything lands no matter what kind of gear you're in.</p><p>I'm noticing a trend in your posts though... you're not a carebear-bloobie-crybaby are you?  haha</p>

[Armironhead]

<cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A 70 farming level 60+ isn't enough, I need to farm them all!</p><p>Making SS and PoF open levels would maked 45-60 near impossible. You'd take away more than 100 quests you can do at those levels in those two zones, and make the two best T6 harvesting spots untouchable by people who NEED them. At 70 you already have your PvP gear and raid gear, so who cares right?</p></blockquote>Not true at all. I did all those quests while being chased around by hordes of faction hungry 70's. I was always solo too. With no evac. Back then there was XP debt as well, something lowbies nowadays don't have to worry about. It was a little more challenging than now, but impossible? Far from it. </blockquote><p>Exactly.  Most 70's will ignore greys anyway - unless you're little fame ganking [I cannot control my vocabulary] that have pulled x2 T5 squads on T7 squishies....</p><p>Then you're gonna get what's coming to ya =P </p></blockquote>/agreed -- ss and pof were much more fun when there was an element of danger -- you didnt know if some red con and his buddies were going to jump u at a moments notice and you had to always keep ur finger above the evac button.  There was an element of challenge to the zone.  Now on vox its kinda a sad and boring place.  Pre lvl change ss use to have alot of action on vox, with battles raging across the zone, but now its empty with the execption of a few farmers who I recurrently see in POF.  All of the serious upper lvl action has gravatated to BS which I think is a reflection of the fact that people want unlimited zones.

[Bozidar]

So it seems i was wrong, and I apologize.  If you're grey to someone but in the zone limit to them, you can still get fame it seems.  At least, that's what he's saying, and I have no cause to doubt him.

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Demron, when did you start this game?</p><p>Seriously the best pvp to be had was in sinking sands when it was a full open level limit range.  I levelled 2 characters to 70 through those times, when EoF didn't exist and there wasn't another zone like LFAY to go level in.  did I get griefed? You betcha.  I was 35 points of Qeynos Guard faction to any Q that can legitimately kill me over level 10.  when I hit 70 I killed many grays out there until I hit my max faction and could buy my PvP sword.  It was fun for me to get chased, but I could always say.. so and so in x location and people would come kill them, because they could.  I got chased out by 70s.. I got griefed... it's PvP afterall. It was the closest thing we had to FFA PvP on this server which a lot of people crave so desperately.  </p><p>This game is missing the component of zone control.  we kill you, make you leave, you come back with more, kill us make us leave.. the cycle goes on and on until everyone from both cities is out there fighting because they can... I miss those days... </p><p>Right now that zone is one click and people can sit there in level limit range, jumpin in on fights stealing fame taking tokens doing all the shady things that grays do.  There are entire x2 raids of level 58-59s (Semper Fi anyone?) that bring a ton of people to kill level 70s and they have no problem doing it... is it hard for them or some kind of great feat?  Nope.. the way the game works you need to run like crazy or you're gonna get killed by a group of level 45s.. because just about everything lands no matter what kind of gear you're in.</p><p>I'm noticing a trend in your posts though... you're not a carebear-bloobie-crybaby are you?  haha</p></blockquote><p>You don't have level 40-59s who can't raid up and protect you 70s? lol</p><p>I'm the crybaby? Do you realize what you're whining about here, really? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> You're wanting a change because god forbid a bunch of greys gank you, yet you have the nerve to call me names? Dude I've got more PvP experience spread over multiple games than I'm sure you do. I fought the best, and was the best. I was new once, like maybe 15 years ago to PvP.</p><p>On a personal note, I could care less.. I've been fighting 70s solo since I was 45, got Destroyer from a level 70 Wizard at 47. Been running in KoS, Shimmering Citadel, and Loping Plains grabbing blinkies for as long as I can remember. But I'm not so delusional as to believe the average player is like me, and know other people need to be given a sporting chance. </p>

[ailen]

<p>dude you're less than average if you had to wait to 45 to get destroyer.</p><p>pretty sad actually.</p>

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>dude you're less than average if you had to wait to 45 to get destroyer.</p><p>pretty sad actually.</p></blockquote><p> Not really considering I spent most of that time questing and catching up with friends, harvesting for rares, and helping my wife catch up to me. I'm sure you're all that and a box of rocks because your twinked out 16 has destroyer. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I'm sure I suck at PvP because I quested to 58, getting 88 AAs while I was playing catch up to friends who quested to 58 getting 100 AAs while attaining the rank of Champion with enough kills to get the PvP belt, while twinking out my wife twice till she chose the character she wanted and watching her attain the rank Champion as she was catching up with me and our friends. ALL ON A LOWER POPULATED SERVER THAN THE ONE YOU'RE ON!</p><p>You're so cool einstein! <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>P.S. We're probably some of the greys who ganked you, making you afraid to hold Sinking Sands and cry for a nerf to greys! <img src="/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[ailen]

<p>Hey thanks.  I am cool</p><p>but seriously... you're pretty bad if you just got champion at 58...  pretty bad indeed.</p>

[Amphibia]

I don't think greys lose any fame at all to reds unless they fight back. About Sinking Sands being an open PvP zone: We used to joke about it and call it "the trial of fire" for PvP'ers. If you managed to get through it, then you were concidered "worthy" enough to become a part of the tier 7 community, hehe. Back then there was XP debt too, and I always had TONS of it. But honestly, it was one of the must fun times I've ever had in this game, and I'm glad I rolled a PvP toon early enough to not miss out on it. Red cons were scary as hell to us lowbies then, as they should be. Level locking was out of the question, all we wanted was to level up as fast as possible so we could go and kick their butts! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But then they changed it all with EoF.... and when I leveled my second toon, SS had become this dull place with no sense of danger at all.... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Hey thanks.  I am cool</p><p>but seriously... you're pretty bad if you just got champion at 58...  pretty bad indeed.</p></blockquote><p> Yeah I know.. That's why my Warlock hit Destroyer by 18, twice solo. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Bozidar]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Hey thanks.  I am cool</p><p>but seriously... you're pretty bad if you just got champion at 58...  pretty bad indeed.</p></blockquote> yeah, imo you don't get to start bragging about titles below dread unless you're like level 15 or so, and aren't a hook-shot ranger.  Then you never get to brag. (and by brag i mean mention it as if it's some kind of accomplishment)

[Cyst]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think greys lose any fame at all to reds unless they fight back. About tier 6 being an open PvP zone: We used to joke about it and call it "the trial of fire" for PvP'ers. If you managed to get through it, then you were concidered "worthy" enough to become a part of the tier 7 community, hehe. Back then there was XP debt too, and I always had TONS of it. But honestly, it was one of the must fun times I've ever had in this game, and I'm glad I rolled a PvP toon early enough to not miss out on it. Red cons were scary as hell to us lowbies then, as they should be. Level locking was out of the question, all we wanted was to level up as fast as possible so we could go and kick their butts! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But then they changed it all with EoF.... and when I leveled my second toon, SS had become this dull place with no sense of danger at all.... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> Back then there wasn't EoF, PvP and awesome Raid gear.</p><p>The average 70 today is twice as geared as the average 70 then. The EoF gear is remarkable in comparison.</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Yeah I know.. That's why my Warlock hit Destroyer by 18, twice solo. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote> hehe, you hit it twice.. that's funny <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ailen]

<p>destroyer, what an amazing title.  bots have slayer these days.... that's only 1 level lower.</p><p>Honestly... you think I'm crying about some grays in SS, I'm not.  I'm simply implying that they should put it back to the way it was, because the way it was, was fun and not some carebear bloobie crybaby level range hugging fame leaching noobie safe haven that it is today.</p><p>the OP wants level limit ranges even lower, and you're not flaming him... but you're flaming 70s for wanting something BACK to the way it used to be?   </p><p>grats champion whatever class you are.. probably a swashbuckler.. which would be even more pathetic.</p>

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Hey thanks.  I am cool</p><p>but seriously... you're pretty bad if you just got champion at 58...  pretty bad indeed.</p></blockquote> yeah, imo you don't get to start bragging about titles below dread unless you're like level 15 or so, and aren't a hook-shot ranger.  Then you never get to brag. (and by brag i mean mention it as if it's some kind of accomplishment)</blockquote> You shouldn't be bragging about fame period considering how easy it is to farm it. More Dreadnaughts run from fights than unranked players or Hunters. I have yet to meet a Dreadnaught who doesn't run in a gank group, or hugs the carpets/clouds so that they can flee at a moments notice.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>You shouldn't be bragging about fame period <span style="color: #990000">(and yet you do) </span>considering how easy it is to farm it. More Dreadnaughts run from fights than unranked players or Hunters. I have yet to meet a Dreadnaught who doesn't run in a gank group, or hugs the carpets/clouds so that they can flee at a moments notice.</blockquote><p>OMG, really!?!? Players with high titles in GROUPS?!?!</p><p>What's this game coming tooooooooooooooooooooo........???????????????</p><p>/sobs uncontrolably </p>

[ailen]

<p>you're the one that brought fame into this.  you started the brag... now didn't you?</p>

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>destroyer, what an amazing title.  bots have slayer these days.... that's only 1 level lower.</p><p>Honestly... you think I'm crying about some grays in SS, I'm not.  I'm simply implying that they should put it back to the way it was, because the way it was, was fun and not some carebear bloobie crybaby level range hugging fame leaching noobie safe haven that it is today.</p><p>the OP wants level limit ranges even lower, and you're not flaming him... but you're flaming 70s for wanting something BACK to the way it used to be?   </p><p>grats champion whatever class you are.. probably a swashbuckler.. which would be even more pathetic.</p></blockquote><p> Says the guy with Brigand and Assassin in his classes he played pre-nerf. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>You are complaining about getting ganked by greys. Did you not say you couldn't control Sinking Sands without being ganked by greys? I could go back and pull your exact words, but you are wanting it changed back, which is a nerf to greys. <img src="/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>you're the one that brought fame into this.  you started the brag... now didn't you?</p></blockquote> No, I wasn't bragging. Reading is your friend.. I pointed out that people go after greys for their fame. Sixth grade edumacation?

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Says the guy with Brigand and Assassin in his classes he played pre-nerf. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <p>You are complaining about getting ganked by greys. Did you not say you couldn't control Sinking Sands without being ganked by greys? I could go back and pull your exact words, but you are wanting it changed back, which is a nerf to greys. <img src="/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote> I'm wanting it changed back -- and i'm a Grey.  I think SS should be dangerous, and exciting.  I think that reds, currently, are way too vulnerable to attacks well outside the normal level ranges.  It should be fixed..

[Amphibia]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think greys lose any fame at all to reds unless they fight back. About tier 6 being an open PvP zone: We used to joke about it and call it "the trial of fire" for PvP'ers. If you managed to get through it, then you were concidered "worthy" enough to become a part of the tier 7 community, hehe. Back then there was XP debt too, and I always had TONS of it. But honestly, it was one of the must fun times I've ever had in this game, and I'm glad I rolled a PvP toon early enough to not miss out on it. Red cons were scary as hell to us lowbies then, as they should be. Level locking was out of the question, all we wanted was to level up as fast as possible so we could go and kick their butts! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But then they changed it all with EoF.... and when I leveled my second toon, SS had become this dull place with no sense of danger at all.... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> Back then there wasn't EoF, PvP and awesome Raid gear.</p><p>The average 70 today is twice as geared as the average 70 then. The EoF gear is remarkable in comparison.</p></blockquote>Not very relevant. Game mechanics were also different, it was a helluva lot harder to even hit a red con then.

[ailen]

<p>Don't pretend to know me... remember, you brought fame into this... you're the one bragging and now trying to derail the topic with insinuations of things you don't know anything about... huh?</p><p>LOL.  </p>

[ailen]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>you're the one that brought fame into this.  you started the brag... now didn't you?</p></blockquote> No, I wasn't bragging. Reading is your friend.. I pointed out that people go after greys for their fame. Sixth grade edumacation?</blockquote><p> Ok, I'll play your game since you brought it up with my class choices.. give me your main's name, so I can look him up and laugh.</p><p>go ahead, be a big mouth and let me know.</p>

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Don't pretend to know me... remember, you brought fame into this... you're the one bragging and now trying to derail the topic with insinuations of things you don't know anything about... huh?</p><p>LOL.  </p></blockquote><p> Fame was relevant to the discussion, but you can read, and knew that.</p>

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>you're the one that brought fame into this.  you started the brag... now didn't you?</p></blockquote> No, I wasn't bragging. Reading is your friend.. I pointed out that people go after greys for their fame. Sixth grade edumacation?</blockquote><p> Ok, I'll play your game since you brought it up with my class choices.. give me your main's name, so I can look him up and laugh.</p><p>go ahead, be a big mouth and let me know.</p></blockquote><p>You know my main, IF YOU COULD READ, or had any sense! Instead you want to try and insult like it means something. </p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Don't pretend to know me... remember, you brought fame into this... you're the one bragging and now trying to derail the topic with insinuations of things you don't know anything about... huh?</p><p>LOL.  </p></blockquote><p> Fame was relevant to the discussion, but you can read, and knew that.</p></blockquote>You bragged about how you made desty at lvl 47 offf of a 70.  He made fun of you for making desty at lvl 47, and you went on to brag about your fame.  It happened, and it's ok.  Sometimes when you're wrong it's ok to admit it, learn from it, and move on <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  If the best and the brightest can do it, so can you.

[ailen]

<p><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/signature?characterId=612135122" border="0"></p><p>BUAHHAHAHAHA.</p><p>I don't even know how to respond to this.</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You know my main, IF YOU COULD READ, or had any sense! Instead you want to try and insult like it means something. </p></blockquote><p> I think he's saying this is his main:</p><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=612135122" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...terId=612135122</a></p><p><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/signature?characterId=612135122" border="0"></p>

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/signature?characterId=612135122" border="0"></p><p>BUAHHAHAHAHA.</p><p>I don't even know how to respond to this.</p></blockquote><p>Created December 06, 2006.</p><ul><li>Level 63</li><li>93 AAs</li><li>Weaponsmith 45</li><li>Tinkerer 200 AFTER GETTING TO 160 TRANSMUTING!</li><li>Helped his wife level a Mystic to 47</li><li>Then helped his wife get a Warden to 62</li><li>While working a full time job.</li><li>Also raising 4 kids and spending time with them.</li></ul><p>Go play with your mom Maliak. </p>

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Don't pretend to know me... remember, you brought fame into this... you're the one bragging and now trying to derail the topic with insinuations of things you don't know anything about... huh?</p><p>LOL.  </p></blockquote><p> Fame was relevant to the discussion, but you can read, and knew that.</p></blockquote>You bragged about how you made desty at lvl 47 offf of a 70.  He made fun of you for making desty at lvl 47, and you went on to brag about your fame.  It happened, and it's ok.  Sometimes when you're wrong it's ok to admit it, learn from it, and move on <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  If the best and the brightest can do it, so can you. </blockquote>I wasn't bragging but making the point that Sinking Sands being an unlimited zone wouldn't bother me. Had you read my previous posts, you'd understand this.

[Bozidar]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/signature?characterId=612135122" border="0"></p><p>BUAHHAHAHAHA.</p><p>I don't even know how to respond to this.</p></blockquote><p>I am having a little problem processing that with this quote:</p><p>Demron wrote: </p><blockquote><p>Dude I've got more PvP experience spread over multiple games than I'm sure you do. I fought the best, and was the best. I was new once, like maybe 15 years ago to PvP.</p></blockquote><p>Demron - I'm sure you were very helpful.  It's just not impressive, is all we're saying.  It's -- quite literally -- nothing to brag about.</p>

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p><img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>When was the last time you started out new without the help of your high level character? I did December 06, 2006. When did you? I think I understand the state of the game TODAY better as a new player than you. </p>

[ailen]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote></blockquote><p>Created December 06, 2006.</p><ul><li>Level 63</li><li>93 AAs</li><li>Weaponsmith 45</li><li>Tinkerer 200 AFTER GETTING TO 160 TRANSMUTING!</li><li><b>Helped his wife level a Mystic to 47</b></li><li><b>Then helped his wife get a Warden to 62</b></li><li><b>While working a full time job.</b></li><li><b>Also raising 4 kids and spending time with them.</b></li></ul><p>Go play with your mom Maliak. </p></blockquote><p>I particularly like those addtions.. they aren't relevant in any way, but somehow .. for some reason you thought you'd give me your life story.  guess you lose at the forums too.</p><p>those are what I call excuses.  you want to speak to me like you're an authority in a game that you know very little to nothing about. brag to me about your title which sucks for your class and your level.. I call u on it, and yout give me excuses.</p><p>don't brag and boast and I won't point all that out. </p>

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p><img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cyst]

Way to quote me out of context without quoting what I responded to.. /golf clap

[ailen]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Way to quote me out of context without quoting what I responded to.. /golf clap</blockquote><p> quote you out of context? I quoted the whole post?  and you say I need edjumacation.</p>

[Cyst]

<p>Maliak</p><p>How about you and I draw up on Vox together and measure our accomplishments?</p><p>You're bragging like your massive amount of time matters, it doesn't. You've been here much longer than I have, much. And I seriously doubt I put half the time into the game as you do. Laugh all you want, but you havn't a leg to stand on and your accomplishments only require one thing, TIME!</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><p>When was the last time you started out new without the help of your high level character? I did December 06, 2006. When did you? I think I understand the state of the game TODAY better as a new player than you. </p></blockquote> </blockquote></blockquote><p>That would be the creation of this character:</p><p><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/signature?characterId=829554120" border="0"></p><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=829554120" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...terId=829554120</a></p><p>Created: Apr 5, 2007</p><p>Still think you understand the state of the game today as a new player better than I do?</p>

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Way to quote me out of context without quoting what I responded to.. /golf clap</blockquote><p> quote you out of context? I quoted the whole post?  and you say I need edjumacation.</p></blockquote> I was talking to Bozidar, your e-knight.

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><p>When was the last time you started out new without the help of your high level character? I did December 06, 2006. When did you? I think I understand the state of the game TODAY better as a new player than you. </p></blockquote> </blockquote></blockquote><p>That would be the creation of this character:</p><p><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/signature?characterId=829554120" border="0"></p><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=829554120" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...terId=829554120</a></p><p>Created: Apr 5, 2007</p><p>Still think you understand the state of the game today as a new player better than I do?</p></blockquote> Did you twink him or start out fresh, with no outside help?

[ailen]

<p>I'm not bragging at all.  I'm speaking to the noob that was bragging about his... that's YOU if you're not sure about it.</p><p>pretty funny actually...  I'm picking on you, not your ability to play the game, you're too dense to even realize it.</p>

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>I'm not bragging at all.  I'm speaking to the noob that was bragging about his... that's YOU if you're not sure about it.</p><p>pretty funny actually...  I'm picking on you, not your ability to play the game, you're too dense to even realize it.</p></blockquote> And I'm picking on you, and your whine that you can't control a zone because greys gank you. All you're poking fun at is that I have spent less time than you at this game. You win, you're a loser who's only life is EQ2. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The fact that you think the time you spend or spent in this game matters is hilarious.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did you twink him or start out fresh, with no outside help?</blockquote><p> I left vox in april and created that toon on Naggy.  No outside help.  Harvesting, crafting, farming, and defending Freeports homelands from the gankers who come to feast on the easy prey -- and go home with their heads quite literally in their hand.</p><p>edit: I twinked the living hell out of him, but i did it myself.</p>

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did you twink him or start out fresh, with no outside help?</blockquote> I left vox in april and created that toon on Naggy.  No outside help.  Harvesting, crafting, farming, and defending Freeports homelands from the gankers who come to feast on the easy prey -- and go home with their heads quite literally in their hand.</blockquote> You must spend 10+ hours a day in the game to do that dude. Or naggy is so overpopulated you can't spit without hitting an enemy. I've gone 5 hours without finding a fight, 10 hours without finding someone who would STAY AND FIGHT on Venekor. So I was reduced to farming bots and being bored.

[ailen]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: And I'm picking on you, and your whine that you can't control a zone because greys gank you. All you're poking fun at is that I have spent less time than you at this game. <b>You win, you're a loser who's only life is EQ2. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The fact that you think the time you spend or spent in this game matters is hilarious.</b></blockquote><p>Yep!  I actually win. The fact that you took this to insults outside of game is what is really cracking me up.  You have no basis for being an authority on this game, and you know nothing of my personal life.... your insinuations couldn't be anything further from the truth which in turn.. makes you look dumber and dumber with each successive post.</p><p>thanks for owning yourself on the forums... I don't even have to do the work </p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote> And I'm picking on you, and your whine that you can't control a zone because greys gank you. All you're poking fun at is that I have spent less time than you at this game. You win, you're a loser who's only life is EQ2. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The fact that you think the time you spend or spent in this game matters is hilarious.</blockquote><p> You should learn to seperate legitimate gripes about certain zones from whines.  SS is a great T7 pvp zone, because aggro is low and it's a nice big zone with some hot spots to hunt 60's.  The fact that greys hang around at.. what was the level you said you locked at before? 58? Hmm... yeah.. greys hang around at 58 and try to get a hit in and hide behind a rock to steal fame, faction, and tokens is pathetic.</p><p>It's the lose, in pvp.  If reds want to come down to zones that are inappropriate for their level (such as 35's that hang around in ant/cl), then they deserve to get jumped and ganked.  But SS is just 1 tier below 70, and the antics that folks get subjected to are just stupid.</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>You must spend 10+ hours a day in the game to do that dude. Or naggy is so overpopulated you can't spit without hitting an enemy. I've gone 5 hours without finding a fight, 10 hours without finding someone who would STAY AND FIGHT on Venekor. So I was reduced to farming bots and being bored.</blockquote><p> I spent quite a few days getting ready in the begining, yes.  I stayed under level 10 while i harvested my rares, crafted up, and when i went out to get my teens levels i was ready for pvp.</p><p>and Venekor isn't that bad.. you should see what it's like on vox.</p>

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: And I'm picking on you, and your whine that you can't control a zone because greys gank you. All you're poking fun at is that I have spent less time than you at this game. <b>You win, you're a loser who's only life is EQ2. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The fact that you think the time you spend or spent in this game matters is hilarious.</b></blockquote><p>Yep!  I actually win. The fact that you took this to insults outside of game is what is really cracking me up.  You have no basis for being an authority on this game, and you know nothing of my personal life.... your insinuations couldn't be anything further from the truth which in turn.. makes you look dumber and dumber with each successive post.</p><p>thanks for owning yourself on the forums... I don't even have to do the work </p></blockquote><p>You do realize you threw the first insult right?</p><p>Go read my sticky and understand I do understand this game. I could write a manual from 1-70 on how to compete, how to get the most AAs, and many other things.</p>

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>You must spend 10+ hours a day in the game to do that dude. Or naggy is so overpopulated you can't spit without hitting an enemy. I've gone 5 hours without finding a fight, 10 hours without finding someone who would STAY AND FIGHT on Venekor. So I was reduced to farming bots and being bored.</blockquote><p> I spent quite a few days getting ready in the begining, yes.  I stayed under level 10 while i harvested my rares, crafted up, and when i went out to get my teens levels i was ready for pvp.</p><p>and Venekor isn't that bad.. you should see what it's like on vox.</p></blockquote><p> Trust me, and read my sticky.. I know how to start out.</p><p>And Venekor is worse than you think, much, much worse. 40-60 you could go days with zero kills.</p>

[ailen]

<p>how can you write a manual if you have never done it? </p><p>oh that's right, those who can't, teach.</p>

[Cyst]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>how can you write a manual if you have never done it? </p><p>oh that's right, those who can't, teach.</p></blockquote> You really crack me up. Do you always go to insults?

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Trust me, and read my sticky.. I know how to start out. <p>And Venekor is worse than you think, much, much worse. 40-60 you could go days with zero kills.</p></blockquote><p>You asked me a question, i answered it.  And I knew how to do it long before you created a sticky.</p><p>As for venekor.. i've never been there for more time than it took me to realize i was on the wrong server and re-roll.  I do see the server loads, and i know that venekor is consistently higher than vox. </p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>how can you write a manual if you have never done it? </p><p>oh that's right, those who can't, teach.</p></blockquote> You really crack me up. Do you always go to insults?</blockquote> he cracks me up too, that was a good one, imo <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cyst]

<p>Maliak</p><p>I'm not the one getting ganked by greys and whining about it. I don't need the zone opened up so I can kill greys and feel good about myself. I don't need the zone to be unlimited PvP to control it. I might make a character on Naggy so I can watch you run from greys and carpet, or cloud away protecting your title while having fraps up. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I bet with time I could catch one of your characters being a coward.</p>

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Trust me, and read my sticky.. I know how to start out. <p>And Venekor is worse than you think, much, much worse. 40-60 you could go days with zero kills.</p></blockquote><p>You asked me a question, i answered it.  And I knew how to do it long before you created a sticky.</p><p>As for venekor.. i've never been there for more time than it took me to realize i was on the wrong server and re-roll.  I do see the server loads, and i know that venekor is consistently higher than vox. </p></blockquote>But still not nearly as good as Naggy.

[ailen]

<p>coward?</p><p>define coward in an MMO?  </p><p>so now we've gone from me being a momma's boy, loser in real life who plays eq2 because it's all I have, to being a coward.</p><p>GG, this is getting better and better.</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>But still not nearly as good as Naggy. </blockquote>Nothing really is..

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>But still not nearly as good as Naggy. </blockquote>Nothing really is.. </blockquote><p> Now you see my point. I'm sure if I was on Naggy I'd have three times the kills I have. Instead I cringe and go harvest for rares and blinkies watching my plat amount go up, and up, and up wishing there were more fights. Hell sometimes just one fight.</p>

[Cyst]

<p>Back on topic.</p><p>The PvP levels are fine how they are on the current servers. They don't need to be lowered, or highered. </p><p>Soon a level 80 is going to have Loping Plains, Kingdom of Sky, Kaladim, et cetera that is unlimited player versus player to fight greys in if they so desire. If you want an open PvP server, a different ruleset, fine, but there is a thread about it, and I would join you in that ruleset. But the current ruleset works for a lot of different players, for various reasons. Some change is good, but repeated change is bad.</p>

[Bozidar]

<p>Ant/CL should be 8 levels again, EL/Zek should be 10/12 levels, Feerrott should be 12/14.</p><p>IMO</p>

[Cyst]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ant/CL should be 8 levels again, EL/Zek should be 10/12 levels, Feerrott should be 12/14.</p><p>IMO</p></blockquote><p> Ant and CL I don't agree with.. There is already problems with new players being able to handle those zones. That would only compound that problem when 18s can kill 10s.</p><p>Maybe on a new ruleset, but currently, no.</p>

[Bloodfa]

Actually, with the way it's been in Antonica lately, the 8 level difference would work out nicely.  The same guys would be reaping the tokens, and I'm sure more would be there, but the higher level defenders could actually do something.  The OOC healing on the gate-campers is a bit much.  And I'm sure it's just as bad in CL.  10's are going to get whacked in 2 shots by a 14 just as soundly as by an 18.  But the 18 is going to have to face a 26, potentially.

[Bozidar]

Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Actually, with the way it's been in Antonica lately, the 8 level difference would work out nicely.  The same guys would be reaping the tokens, and I'm sure more would be there, but the higher level defenders could actually do something.  The OOC healing on the gate-campers is a bit much.  And I'm sure it's just as bad in CL.  10's are going to get whacked in 2 shots by a 14 just as soundly as by an 18.  But the 18 is going to have to face a 26, potentially.</blockquote> Exactamnudo.  And those 14's are going to have to face 22's.. and trust me -- they don't want to.

[Bloodfa]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Actually, with the way it's been in Antonica lately, the 8 level difference would work out nicely.  The same guys would be reaping the tokens, and I'm sure more would be there, but the higher level defenders could actually do something.  The OOC healing on the gate-campers is a bit much.  And I'm sure it's just as bad in CL.  10's are going to get whacked in 2 shots by a 14 just as soundly as by an 18.  But the 18 is going to have to face a 26, potentially.</blockquote> Exactamnudo.  And those 14's are going to have to face 22's.. and trust me -- they don't want to.</blockquote> They open it up like that, the price of my Pristine Imbued Steel Rapier's just went up.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bozidar]

Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Actually, with the way it's been in Antonica lately, the 8 level difference would work out nicely.  The same guys would be reaping the tokens, and I'm sure more would be there, but the higher level defenders could actually do something.  The OOC healing on the gate-campers is a bit much.  And I'm sure it's just as bad in CL.  10's are going to get whacked in 2 shots by a 14 just as soundly as by an 18.  But the 18 is going to have to face a 26, potentially.</blockquote> Exactamnudo.  And those 14's are going to have to face 22's.. and trust me -- they don't want to.</blockquote> They open it up like that, the price of my Pristine Imbued Steel Rapier's just went up.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>bah, rapiers are crap, don't need them for AA trees anymore.  pvp blade ftw!!!

[Bloodfa]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Actually, with the way it's been in Antonica lately, the 8 level difference would work out nicely.  The same guys would be reaping the tokens, and I'm sure more would be there, but the higher level defenders could actually do something.  The OOC healing on the gate-campers is a bit much.  And I'm sure it's just as bad in CL.  10's are going to get whacked in 2 shots by a 14 just as soundly as by an 18.  But the 18 is going to have to face a 26, potentially.</blockquote> Exactamnudo.  And those 14's are going to have to face 22's.. and trust me -- they don't want to.</blockquote> They open it up like that, the price of my Pristine Imbued Steel Rapier's just went up.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>bah, rapiers are crap, don't need them for AA trees anymore.  pvp blade ftw!!! </blockquote>Yeah, but they look the part.  What can I say, I'm old-school. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cyst]

<p>This is why they need "different" rulesets, not the same ruleset for every PvP server. And roleplay isn't a PvP ruleset.</p><p>Some people like a sporting chance. What is a sporting chance? Like all sports you have different levels of competition. Freshman don't play with Varsity for a reason, and levels within the game duplicate this in some ways. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting a sporting chance. But others like to feel the pain, and dish the pain therefore they ask for more open PvP rulesets. These are the people who can spend a lot of time playing, they know they have the time advantage needed to suceed in a PvP atmosphere, which is ok, but opens up a much different element.</p><p>If I were to propose anything to SoE, it would be to open up another server transfer "off" of Venekor, completely whiping the Venekor database to make a new, free for all type of server. One that takes all player feedback to shape.</p><p>But I don't like change, especially constant changes so leave the old rulesets alone.</p>