LU36 Raid Items - Hrm...

[Myrddhinn]

<p>Well, it's been a while since i posted here...</p><p> But this time, i feel enough annoyed by the new Tunarian raid itemization / SoD reward to post. As with the Fascination set, i really believe now the class designers do not know at all what is a Troubadour in raid nowadays...</p><p> First, you can find some of these new items here : <a href="http://eq2.xanadu-community.com/eq2_loot.php?BrowseNPC=1&exp_id=7&pack_id=17&zone_id=94" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.xanadu-community.com/eq2...&zone_id=94</a></p><p>You will easily notice that the most unfair categorization is back : I mean the class restriction making Bards (and especially Troubadours) oriented towards the "All Fighters, All Scouts" items...</p><p>We can improve our dps, if only the devs get our point : Mental damage (75% at least), Combat Arts and Autoattacks (25% at best). We are spellcasters ! We need +Int, +Bolts of Energy, +Spells Damages... (And +Mental Adorns are put on Symbols, which of course we cannot equip...)</p><p>We do not care for another meleer dagger, or nice jewelry with plenty of +Agi... We do not care for +Range Critics...</p><p>We certainly do not care at all with this wonderful desaggro procs ! </p><p>I want to drag your attention towards the very nice "Mages only" set formed by the Ring of Tunarian Grace and the Crystal Gift. Do you read the focus ? +10% base spell damage proc... And now just let your eyes go down the list to read the Wrath description... </p><p>This is UNFAIR to us. If items, forbidden to troubs, emulate a Troubadour in a group. These procs are pasted from Aria and Precision !!! </p><p> It is hard enough to play a "support-only" class. I just cannot understand why are the devs killing our class, batch after batch. </p>

[mirage06]

Fascination set is generally crap indeed, the spell crits are nice however, also the added proc chance for aria from the bp is nice. Agreed on the need of int (together with str) but the last thing I'd personally want is BoE or any other + spell damage since it's crap generally. Lucanic/Soulfire Sabre are both very nice! Some even say too nice... Troubs are spellcasters and melee both. The dagger called Wrath is roughly equal to Griz walking stick...

[Trabbart]

<p>I agree 100% with OP. </p><p>Troubs fall between the design gaps because of our dual nature. Our design focus is much more oriented towards spellcasting than mellee. Yet all troub/scout items are mellee focused.</p><p>Those items are GREAT for Dirges but are in conflict with the troub's design. </p><p>Troubadors are just forgotten when design/gameplay comes to mind. Even the rehashed AA's are mellee favourable. The dev responsible for troubadors should wake up. Sadly i think we have noone that takes our interests at heart in the dev's team. We'll allways be the lil bit of brocolli on the plate.</p>

[Rogotop]

<p>Hrmm, we get all of 3 spells that do DD (aside from when aria procs) How are we focused towards spell casting?  The preponderance of our damage is from Combat arts, then casting, and finally melee. Actually, it Might be a good thing to to eq2flames' troubie forum, and ask some of the folks there to post some ZW parses. I think some of you might be surprised with the composition of a raiding troubs dps.</p><p>The +mental, +spell damage items are not as nice as they appear.  That damage is normalized to a 3 second casting time.  Take a look at the "casting" times on our combat arts and spells... yeah exactly.  (for example, say you had a +10 to mental item, on an ability which takes 1 second to cast, that +10 is suddenly 3.3)</p><p> What would be nice would some symbols that are bard only, with much higher +mental modifiers to compensate for the normalization.  </p>

[mirage06]

With decent weapons, most damage will come from melee, no question about that. Even probably if you cast precision every time it's up. Of course not if you slack and do not even go into melee range to try to hit the side of the barn <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[RanmaBoyType]

<p>to argue this, in every parse i have ever ran for every raid zone i have done (including labs, lyceum, DT, freethinkers) peircing has been my highest solo contributor to my damage, however over the entire scheme of the damage, spell damage combined greatly beats out peircing.</p>

[Zeral498]

Now if only they would take out the daze/root from Maestro....<img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Canuckian]

<p>Definately agree with the OP on this one.  Have been banging my drum about this very issue for a long time.  As "hybrids" we are the red-headed step-children of Norrath.  Most gear is 'itemized' with specific archetypes in mind with some rare exceptions.  Troubadors get the short end of the stick as gear that would be viewed as most favorable to us is typically itemized as "mage" and those items that are "scout" oriented will typically have an added effect, etc. that makes them more desireable to non-bard scouts, i.e. deaggro proc, etc.  As a member of a high-end raiding guild I don't know how many times I have seen either the scouts or mages [Removed for Content] when a bard bids on an item that they see as within their exclusive realm.  It is pretty disheartening to see many drops that would be of the utmost benefit to a Troubador that cannot be equipped due to narrow-minded archetype restrictions.  I would like to see the 'hey day' of DoF when there was an item specifically itemized for bards: Bangle of Melodic Speed.  The Devs really need to take a look at the hybrid classes and ensure that there is appropriate itemization for them.  But, of course, we Troubs have seen a distinct lack of Dev attention other than the string of nerfs since inception of this game.  </p><p>Bard revamp?....still waiting on that one...the supposed 'revamp' was a cruel joke with the exception of the melee damage increase.  </p><p>Troubador EoF set armor?......(3) and (7) effects utterly useless in a raiding environment.  </p><p>Why is there such a disparity between the Dirges and Troubador?   Arguably their best set armor effect is useable with 3 pieces......ours 5 pieces.</p><p>Why are Dirges not prevented from casting when they use their Cacophony of Blades?  It's hardly a fair tradeoff to be rooted and dazed when I use Precision of the Maestro, while not enjoying a casting speed bonus ala the haste buff they enjoy with theirs.</p><p> Where is the raid utility with my charm and mez abilities?....Dirges counterpart abilities to rez and heal are indisputable raiding benefits.</p><p> Bards don't get the stances that other scouts enjoy...so why the concentration cost for our self buff?</p><p>We are a buffing/utility class.....so why the same restriction of concentration slots as every other class?   We should have to ability to go beyond 5 concentration, or at the very least have the concentration cost removed from far more of our abilities.</p><p>Please Devs....it's been approaching 3 years that the Troubadors have been subjected to a lack of attention....exercise some serious thought and peruse the myriad of great idea posted on your forums that will improve/fix this class.</p>

[mirage06]

<cite>RanmaBoyType wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>to argue this, in every parse i have ever ran for every raid zone i have done (including labs, lyceum, DT, freethinkers) peircing has been my highest solo contributor to my damage, however over the entire scheme of the damage, spell damage combined greatly beats out peircing.</p></blockquote>Bah, that's what I meant <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> crappy wording I suppose <img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[RanmaBoyType]

<p>but i still agree.. [Removed for Content] is up with trouby armor...</p><p>i look at other class armor and i cannot find a single set that gets shafted as much as we do on that set.  Great - lets increase the damage of an ability we can only use out of stealth, and lets not give troubs any attack to put them into stealth durning combat, UNLESS they go down a specific AA line, which then stops the reuse timer of their other aa line abilities.</p><p>i cannot believe the devs even get paid.</p>

[Spider]

<cite>RanmaBoyType wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>but i still agree.. [I cannot control my vocabulary] is up with trouby armor...</p><p>i look at other class armor and i cannot find a single set that gets shafted as much as we do on that set.  Great - lets increase the damage of an ability we can only use out of stealth, and lets not give troubs any attack to put them into stealth durning combat, UNLESS they go down a specific AA line, which then stops the reuse timer of their other aa line abilities.</p><p>i cannot believe the devs even get paid.</p></blockquote><p> id ahve to disagree on that one</p><p>there is indeed another class that gets totaly [Removed for Content] ith there armor as well </p><p>Inquisitor armor </p><p>as inquis always has been but now even more so with eof inquis IS a melee plate cleric the primrary stats and focus needed for inquis  ? wis and str </p><p>yet all the eof armor total neglects str most of the sets have 16 -28 str TOTAL for the whole set </p><p>so troubs arnt the only ones taking a hit in the eof azrmor department /sigh </p><p>unfortunatly in this case i play both classes</p>

[Rogotop]

I think what people are getting at when they look at our set armor is that... 3 set - clara's bonus - meh. you use this once per fight if you care about your dps. 5 set - 6% boost to spell crits - this is ok, np 7 set - dove song??? hold the mother [Removed for Content] phone. ???????????????????????????????????????

[bochup]

Btw,why all the other class fabled set r having 8% critical.while trouby set r only given 6% only?We r [Removed for Content] special ?