Hate cap revealed

[dizzi73]

So now that it has been revealed that the hate gained by Enraging demeanor only stacks with Dirge to 50%, where has it left you all? I havent been in the MT group once since and I wanna know how it has effected the rest of you?

[Aranieq]

Well when we don't a second hate xfer class we run the dirge and coercer in there even with the cap.  We have been playing as though there was a 50% cap for a long time now in my guild and it didn't change much for us on group make-up other than not harm linking the moderated players =p. We run the Coercer in the MT group and the Dirge in the melee dps group and swap them for their specialy abilities when needed.. ie stoneskin, parry, AoE immunity \ Thoughtsnap, power regen, coersive healing...

[Smiddy]

<p>In the Guardian forums, Jaraxx suggested putting hate gain on the hate transfer. So either your Dirge or Coercer hate gain buffs the Assassin or Swashy. Make sense?</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>zachdsmith wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In the Guardian forums, Jaraxx suggested putting hate gain on the hate transfer. So either your Dirge or Coercer hate gain buffs the Assassin or Swashy. Make sense?</p></blockquote>But do the hate gain effect come before or after the transfer? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Smiddy]

<p>Technically it shouldn't matter because hate is gained and transferred throughout a fight, presumably on multiple occasions, not just once. Seems like a viable tactic and would at least be worth a shot instead of wasting all that hate gain. </p><p> Assuming your hate transfer is putting up some decent DPS numbers, that is...</p>

[Aranieq]

this is assuming you have a dirge coercer AND a swash/assasin in the group right?

[Smiddy]

Correct, whoever has the best hate gain buff (what is the Dirge M1 hate gainer? is it 49%? vs. the Coercer which is about 47%) should buff the tank.  Dirge hate gain buffs MT, coercer hate gain buffs assassin/swashy. Then you get all the benefits of the dirge AND the coercer in the MT group (Thoughtsnap, coercive healing, etc). With a uber hate trasnfer-er you can really pile the hate on.  

[Aranieq]

from experimenting with amends and moderate.. I feel the theory of the aggro modifier works first then is is xfered and visa versa.  I do not have hard evidence to prove this other than with moderate and amends I could not pull mobs to the palidin to save my life on a Mayong event.  I had to actually drop the moderate to get it to come at all.  When moderate was dropped the mobs did go to the paladin.  I do not know a way to show any math for it other than to have others try a similar experiment.  As far as I know no one has confirmed the order things work only speculation.  The logical assumption to me is that aggrois modified before it even comes in first then it is xfered. I think the trio of xfer coercer dirge would be a good combo.  We tend to hold "ok" (cept the warlock and SK) with assassin and Coercer most fights but Would be nice to do some experimenting with the trio..

[madha]

Our mt dirg is in heaven his hate buff takes a conc slot so he can sing another song now, A resist or what ever the heck they do =P