Can Mystics appear on the OTHER parse?

[Mörk]

<p>My main is a raiding 70 Swash, so i'm used to being in the top 10 on most fights.</p><p>My new toon, destined to be my main one day <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> is a li'l 16 Mystic with which I solo pvp most of the time. Most of my solo DPS comes from reactive stuff- buckler & legs imbues, shoulder & buckler spiked straps- while I simply concentrate on roots, debuffs and wards. Obviously, with my eye on T7 in the future, I have an idea of gear to get to give the desired effect- Tunic of Shadowed Songs, Signet of Light from Darkness etc. but I will probably want to raid at some point.</p><p>Given that some of the AA lines I like best involve making a melee mystic, would I be able (with right gear choices, and given us having enough other healers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) to get any big hits in T7?</p><p>--</p><p>Rahael / Chesty La'Rue, Purity Nagafen</p>

[Korpo]

The mystic in my old guild would usually be in the top 5 or so on everything but the named fights, where he actually had to throw a heal.

[Karlen]

>>>Given that some of the AA lines I like best involve making a melee mystic, would I be able (with right gear choices, and given us having enough other healers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) to get any big hits in T7?<<< I just reactivated my retired 60 mystic and quickly ran through enough AAs to buy all the CA AAs and got melee crits up to 50%. Using an ebony bo staff, I'm getting lots of hits from CAs in the 300-600 range and my AoE CA regularly does a little over 1000.  I certainly mow through mobs a lot quicker than paladin ever did.  I expect once I get my melee crit percentage to 100%, then I will see even more good sized hits.

[rvbarton]

Rahael@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>I simply concentrate on roots, debuffs and wards. </p></blockquote>What root?

[Karlen]

Mystics get a root in the AGI AA line, just before the 100% melee crit AA.  It doesn't last long though -- 8 sec?

[zaun2]

Karlen@Befallen wrote: <blockquote>Mystics get a root in the AGI AA line, just before the 100% melee crit AA.  It doesn't last long though -- 8 sec? </blockquote> It used to be the spear-only root.  I personally just use it as another strike to fire off on a mob that I'm beating on. All and all, I'm happy with the melee/CA mystic.  I've outparsed a number of DPS classes slacking on the job with him, while keeping everyone healed.

[Mörk]

<p>8 seconds may not seem long, but in PvP it can be a lifetime <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>--</p><p>Chesty La'Rue, 18 Mystic</p>

[Ordate]

<p>Any class can technically appear on a dps parse.  I think you are asking "Do mystics put out the dps to show up regularly on the top 10 highest dps'ers."  The answer to this is no.  You can splotch up there when other classes are slacking.  But you will not be up there consistently.  This is for 2 main reasons.</p><p>1)  We will likely not be getting the buffs true dps classes will be recieveing.  We might or might not be in a group with a dirge.  An illusionist is not likely to put illusionary arm on us.  We have a chance at time compression but it isn't always set to us. etc.  Group set up/buffs play a large part of someones potential dps.  As we are first and foremost healers we are generally not considered for dps buffs or if we are it is more of an after thought.  Aka well its better on you then on the wizard.</p><p>2)  We don't have the tools to be high dps on our own.  While we have improved in dps by a boat load we are not a wizard, ranger, swash, assasin, etc.  We don't have 15 ca's that do 1k+ damage.  We don't have manaburn, nukes, a pet that does god awful dps on its own, decap, hurricane, poisons, etc.  We have 4-6 CA's when we spec that way and 100% crits and some double attack.  That is great but it will only take us so far.</p><p>Ordate</p>

[Finora]

<p>I 'can' and have been in the top 10 on raids even as one of the MT healers. Usually only when we don't have a full raid force and/or and unusually high showing of priests/fighters. When we have our full set of real DPSers I won't make the parse, which is just fine with me. </p><p>It's usually my thing to announce at the beginning of the raid that I do NOT want to see myself on the parse and we'll all make fun of dpsers who get out parsed by me on fights (particularly when I 'm still top or second in the heal parse). <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Korpo]

<cite>Ordate wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Any class can technically appear on a dps parse.  I think you are asking "Do mystics put out the dps to show up regularly on the top 10 highest dps'ers."  The answer to this is no.  You can splotch up there when other classes are slacking.  But you will not be up there consistently.  This is for 2 main reasons.</p><p>1)  We will likely not be getting the buffs true dps classes will be recieveing.  We might or might not be in a group with a dirge.  An illusionist is not likely to put illusionary arm on us.  We have a chance at time compression but it isn't always set to us. etc.  Group set up/buffs play a large part of someones potential dps.  As we are first and foremost healers we are generally not considered for dps buffs or if we are it is more of an after thought.  Aka well its better on you then on the wizard.</p><p>2)  We don't have the tools to be high dps on our own.  While we have improved in dps by a boat load we are not a wizard, ranger, swash, assasin, etc.  We don't have 15 ca's that do 1k+ damage.  We don't have manaburn, nukes, a pet that does god awful dps on its own, decap, hurricane, poisons, etc.  We have 4-6 CA's when we spec that way and 100% crits and some double attack.  That is great but it will only take us so far.</p><p>Ordate</p></blockquote>Like I said, the mystic in my old guild would regularly be in the top few, and this was a guild where you needed to do 2k to <i>make</i> the parse. You don't need bunches of single target buffs to do a ton of damage if you have 100% crits, a weapon that hits like a truck, double attack, rage, bear claws, 1k STR, etc. Of course, if you happen to get DPS and/or haste from a chanter, DPS and tombs and chimes from a dirge, procs from a sorc or conjy, or any of the other things out there, you'll just be putting up even bigger numbers.

[Inphina]

<cite>rvbarton wrote:</cite><blockquote>Rahael@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>I simply concentrate on roots, debuffs and wards. </p></blockquote>What root? </blockquote>He probably means the DD/Slow spell Mystic has. Or it could be Phalanx, the AGI AA spear skill that roots target.

[Karlen]

>>>Or it could be Phalanx, the AGI AA spear skill that roots target.<<< If it used to require a spear, it doesn't any longer.  I just got that AA this past week and it works just fine with my 2H staff.

[Ordate]

<cite>Korpo wrote:</cite><blockquote>Like I said, the mystic in my old guild would regularly be in the top few, and this was a guild where you needed to do 2k to <i>make</i> the parse. You don't need bunches of single target buffs to do a ton of damage if you have 100% crits, a weapon that hits like a truck, double attack, rage, bear claws, 1k STR, etc. Of course, if you happen to get DPS and/or haste from a chanter, DPS and tombs and chimes from a dirge, procs from a sorc or conjy, or any of the other things out there, you'll just be putting up even bigger numbers. </blockquote><p> I've been thinking about how to reply to this as I have felt since reading it it is troll bait or someone going omg look at their class they need a nerf/charm needs to cost less then 3 slots..  If mystics in normal situations could consitently place number 5 or better in a raid parse don't you think they would do something about it?  We are not meant to be a "top dps class".  The AAs have given us the ability to do some decent dps.  However if we consistently threaten high rankings in a parse, we would be nerfed to hell and not much could be done about it.  To quote from lockeye over on a different site...</p><p>"I see the actual DPS averages across all classes, servers, group sizes, etc. on daily reports. No matter how players will try to exaggerate their posts on the message boards repetitively to attempt convincing me otherwise, I know where Assassins actually perform in relation to all other classes. There is not enough justification to warrant Assassins their own achievement revamp as a <i>priority</i> before any other class that do not like their achievements, than to evaluate across all achievements for all classes when that time becomes available."</p><p><a href="http://www.eq2flames.com/assassins/4185-rate-assassin-eof-aas-current-state-assassin.html#post84469" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a></p><p>While this applies to the assasins it surely applies to us and other battle priest builds as well.</p><p>Edit decided to remove direct refrence to source because of the sites nature, PM me if you want a link.</p>

[Sandain666]

Rahael@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Given that some of the AA lines I like best involve making a melee mystic, would I be able (with right gear choices, and given us having enough other healers <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) to get any big hits in T7?</p><p>--</p><p>Rahael / Chesty La'Rue, Purity Nagafen</p></blockquote>By big hits do you mean just very high damage for a few swings or dominating overall zonewide DPS parses? Yes you can make big melee hits as a mystic. My highest hit with the Blackscale Maul has been 3519. But don't  think you will be racking up those type of numbers on a constant basis throughout a raid. I can also do decently on a parse when fighting raid trash. (I am usually in the OT group and rarley need to heal on raid trash).  I can go from 600 to 1300 on a trash fight depending on procs and buffs.  My armour and weapons are a mix between Fabled and Legendary with some Mastercrafted throw in for procs.  I have started to notice alot of people inquiring about Mystics and their melee potential. I hope people are realizing the Melee skills are a very small part of what a Mystic does. Melee Mystic is a nice side dish to add some variety to our days but not at the cost of learning your real role as a healer/debuffer.

[Korpo]

<cite>Ordate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Korpo wrote:</cite><blockquote>Like I said, the mystic in my old guild would regularly be in the top few, and this was a guild where you needed to do 2k to <i>make</i> the parse. You don't need bunches of single target buffs to do a ton of damage if you have 100% crits, a weapon that hits like a truck, double attack, rage, bear claws, 1k STR, etc. Of course, if you happen to get DPS and/or haste from a chanter, DPS and tombs and chimes from a dirge, procs from a sorc or conjy, or any of the other things out there, you'll just be putting up even bigger numbers. </blockquote><p> I've been thinking about how to reply to this as I have felt since reading it it is troll bait or someone going omg look at their class they need a nerf/charm needs to cost less then 3 slots..  If mystics in normal situations could consitently place number 5 or better in a raid parse don't you think they would do something about it?  We are not meant to be a "top dps class".  The AAs have given us the ability to do some decent dps.  However if we consistently threaten high rankings in a parse, we would be nerfed to hell and not much could be done about it.  To quote from lockeye over on a different site...</p><p>"I see the actual DPS averages across all classes, servers, group sizes, etc. on daily reports. No matter how players will try to exaggerate their posts on the message boards repetitively to attempt convincing me otherwise, I know where Assassins actually perform in relation to all other classes. There is not enough justification to warrant Assassins their own achievement revamp as a <i>priority</i> before any other class that do not like their achievements, than to evaluate across all achievements for all classes when that time becomes available."</p><p><a href="http://www.eq2flames.com/assassins/4185-rate-assassin-eof-aas-current-state-assassin.html#post84469" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a></p><p>While this applies to the assasins it surely applies to us and other battle priest builds as well.</p><p>Edit decided to remove direct refrence to source because of the sites nature, PM me if you want a link.</p></blockquote><p>Believe it or don't. However, a mystic with a good weapon, CAs, 100% crits, a few buffs, blah blah blah is an offensive weapon to be reckoned with.</p><p>Keep in mind that we're not talking "DPS averages across all classes", we're talking about a mystic in a <i>real</i> raid guild with <i>real </i>gear. </p>

[Ordate]

<cite>Korpo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Believe it or don't. However, a mystic with a good weapon, CAs, 100% crits, a few buffs, blah blah blah is an offensive weapon to be reckoned with.</p><p>Keep in mind that we're not talking "DPS averages across all classes", we're talking about a mystic in a <i>real</i> raid guild with <i>real </i>gear. </p></blockquote><p> So is it a mystic with buffs or without?  I mentioned that buffs were neccsary, then you said no they werent.  Now you say they are.</p><p>And do you really think they just look at the average?  I'm not one to say that SOE looks at all things and is on the ball with everything, but I imagine balance is something they are very very concerned with and would devote many hours to it.  If they see a mystic consistently out parsing MOST of the other dps classes consistently as your statements would suggest, the nerf bat would swing heavily.  They would not have retracted the small reduction in crit hits, they would have made it larger.  Rangers are an excellent example of a class that gets looked at at its highest teir of performance and gets nerfed.  A lot of "ok" raiding guild rangers don't put out the dps that would make SOE sweat yet they are getting nerfed yet again in gu38.</p>

[Korpo]

<cite>Ordate wrote:</cite><blockquote>So is it a mystic with buffs or without?  I mentioned that buffs were neccsary, then you said no they werent.  Now you say they are. <p>And do you really think they just look at the average?  I'm not one to say that SOE looks at all things and is on the ball with everything, but I imagine balance is something they are very very concerned with and would devote many hours to it.  If they see a mystic consistently out parsing MOST of the other dps classes consistently as your statements would suggest, the nerf bat would swing heavily.  They would not have retracted the small reduction in crit hits, they would have made it larger.  Rangers are an excellent example of a class that gets looked at at its highest teir of performance and gets nerfed.  A lot of "ok" raiding guild rangers don't put out the dps that would make SOE sweat yet they are getting nerfed yet again in gu38.</p></blockquote><p>I explained, quite clearly, that mystics have a lot of tools at their disposal to up their DPS (claws, rage, double attack, etc.) and that a bunch of <i>single target</i> buffs are not strictly necessary to crank a mystic's DPS through the roof, given those tools. I also explained, quite clearly, that a bunch of single or group buffs will of course drive a mystic's DPS even higher. You should go back and read and understand the posts you're referring to, as apparently you haven't yet.</p><p>Of course they only look at the average. The average zerk doesn't do 4k DPS on a regular basis, so they don't balance the zerk class around those few that have spent years learning and outfitting their class to the best of their ability. If they nerfed a class based on what the top top top people could do with it, the average person would be doing 30 DPS because their class was balanced to keep that 4k zerker at only 1.5k. Lockeye's post was quite clear about how they balance things, you should go back and read and understand the post you're referring to, as apparently you haven't yet. </p>