For pvp weapons.

[originator]

Should I use the batons or the fist wraps for lvl 22-24 pvp?. I was told that it'd be better than fists at that lvl. Help would be appreciated thanks in advance.

[Lildebbie]

<cite>originator wrote:</cite><blockquote>Should I use the batons or the fist wraps for lvl 22-24 pvp?. I was told that it'd be better than fists at that lvl. Help would be appreciated thanks in advance.</blockquote>well i always used no weps.  str 4/4/8 keeps your hands hitting for more than the weps you have available at that level.  just my ho

[originator]

ok... so it would be good to use fists then? i mean i see twinks with batons and stuff and im wonderin why are they using htem when it's said to use just fists until high end. they're at like 22 btw. for twinked stuff. anyone else with input would be nice. thanks.

[Lildebbie]

<cite>originator wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok... so it would be good to use fists then? i mean i see twinks with batons and stuff and im wonderin why are they using htem when it's said to use just fists until high end. they're at like 22 btw. for twinked stuff. anyone else with input would be nice. thanks.</blockquote> yeah you see that because folks don't believe that 96% double attack > additional stats and a 1.0 proc per min adornment.  i have parsed both ways and trust me even at 57 nothing does more damage.  i even tested it vs a fabled and adorned 2hander and bare-fisted i was doing over 330DPS and with the 2hndr i was doing around 180 in clefts.  (the parses were done when i was a monk with 100% haste but should still be appropriate for comparison.)

[Greeen-_-Ranger]

Lildebbie@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>originator wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok... so it would be good to use fists then? i mean i see twinks with batons and stuff and im wonderin why are they using htem when it's said to use just fists until high end. they're at like 22 btw. for twinked stuff. anyone else with input would be nice. thanks.</blockquote> yeah you see that because folks don't believe that 96% double attack > additional stats and a 1.0 proc per min adornment.  i have parsed both ways and trust me even at 57 nothing does more damage.  i even tested it vs a fabled and adorned 2hander and bare-fisted i was doing over 330DPS and with the 2hndr i was doing around 180 in clefts.  (the parses were done when i was a monk with 100% haste but should still be appropriate for comparison.)</blockquote> Not to mention chi is the bomb.  No group is going to complain if you toss out chi.

[tt66]

Lildebbie@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>originator wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok... so it would be good to use fists then? i mean i see twinks with batons and stuff and im wonderin why are they using htem when it's said to use just fists until high end. they're at like 22 btw. for twinked stuff. anyone else with input would be nice. thanks.</blockquote> yeah you see that because folks don't believe that 96% double attack > additional stats and a 1.0 proc per min adornment.  i have parsed both ways and trust me even at 57 nothing does more damage.  i even tested it vs a fabled and adorned 2hander and bare-fisted i was doing over 330DPS and with the 2hndr i was doing around 180 in clefts.  (the parses were done when i was a monk with 100% haste but should still be appropriate for comparison.)</blockquote> For what it's worth, I don't believe that 96% double attack > additional stats and a 1.0 proc per min adornment <b>at level 22</b>. As far as I can tell, going unarmed at level 22 does roughly the same damage as lvl 22 mastercrafted weapons. (Of course unarmed at level 26, say, does more damage as unarmed damage <i>scales according to level</i>). And I certainly don't believe that the difference in damage is worth 16 AA points, or half the total number available at level 22.

[Lildebbie]

<cite>tt66 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lildebbie@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>originator wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok... so it would be good to use fists then? i mean i see twinks with batons and stuff and im wonderin why are they using htem when it's said to use just fists until high end. they're at like 22 btw. for twinked stuff. anyone else with input would be nice. thanks.</blockquote> yeah you see that because folks don't believe that 96% double attack > additional stats and a 1.0 proc per min adornment.  i have parsed both ways and trust me even at 57 nothing does more damage.  i even tested it vs a fabled and adorned 2hander and bare-fisted i was doing over 330DPS and with the 2hndr i was doing around 180 in clefts.  (the parses were done when i was a monk with 100% haste but should still be appropriate for comparison.)</blockquote> For what it's worth, I don't believe that 96% double attack > additional stats and a 1.0 proc per min adornment <b>at level 22</b>. As far as I can tell, going unarmed at level 22 does roughly the same damage as lvl 22 mastercrafted weapons. (Of course unarmed at level 26, say, does more damage as unarmed damage <i>scales according to level</i>). And I certainly don't believe that the difference in damage is worth 16 AA points, or half the total number available at level 22. </blockquote>i would tell you that you are mistaken, but you wouldn't believe me.  no i never ran a parser at level 22, but i did drop my MC h2h's in favor of the str line at around that time.  i was immediately impressed.  read the others posts on both the bruiser and monk boards before you believe me.  you'll find that 96% double attack cannot be beaten for DPS until the twin calamaties are attainable.  maybe you don't think that's worth 16 AA's, but i thought so then and i still think so.

[tt66]

Lildebbie@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>tt66 wrote:</cite><blockquote>For what it's worth, I don't believe that 96% double attack > additional stats and a 1.0 proc per min adornment <b>at level 22</b>. As far as I can tell, going unarmed at level 22 does roughly the same damage as lvl 22 mastercrafted weapons. (Of course unarmed at level 26, say, does more damage as unarmed damage <i>scales according to level</i>). And I certainly don't believe that the difference in damage is worth 16 AA points, or half the total number available at level 22. </blockquote>i would tell you that you are mistaken, but you wouldn't believe me.  no i never ran a parser at level 22, but i did drop my MC h2h's in favor of the str line at around that time.  i was immediately impressed.  read the others posts on both the bruiser and monk boards before you believe me.  you'll find that 96% double attack cannot be beaten for DPS until the twin calamaties are attainable.  maybe you don't think that's worth 16 AA's, but i thought so then and i still think so. </blockquote> Well of course it's a good idea to switch to the str line around that time. unarmed is the best levelling spec bar none. That's not in debate. (Well, except for the idea that you have to wait for KOS fabled before making the switch. Personally I don't think it's worth keeping unarmed once your weapons are around 100 dps. I know others disagree). What I am saying, is that the difference in damage between MC weapons and unarmed at <b>level 22</b> (not 24, 26 or 30 but <b>22</b>) is not worth spending half your AA points on.

[Lildebbie]

<cite>tt66 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lildebbie@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>tt66 wrote:</cite><blockquote>For what it's worth, I don't believe that 96% double attack > additional stats and a 1.0 proc per min adornment <b>at level 22</b>. As far as I can tell, going unarmed at level 22 does roughly the same damage as lvl 22 mastercrafted weapons. (Of course unarmed at level 26, say, does more damage as unarmed damage <i>scales according to level</i>). And I certainly don't believe that the difference in damage is worth 16 AA points, or half the total number available at level 22. </blockquote>i would tell you that you are mistaken, but you wouldn't believe me.  no i never ran a parser at level 22, but i did drop my MC h2h's in favor of the str line at around that time.  i was immediately impressed.  read the others posts on both the bruiser and monk boards before you believe me.  you'll find that 96% double attack cannot be beaten for DPS until the twin calamaties are attainable.  maybe you don't think that's worth 16 AA's, but i thought so then and i still think so. </blockquote> Well of course it's a good idea to switch to the str line around that time. unarmed is the best levelling spec bar none. That's not in debate. (Well, except for the idea that you have to wait for KOS fabled before making the switch. Personally I don't think it's worth keeping unarmed once your weapons are around 100 dps. I know others disagree). What I am saying, is that the difference in damage between MC weapons and unarmed at <b>level 22</b> (not 24, 26 or 30 but <b>22</b>) is not worth spending half your AA points on. </blockquote><p>i understood what you were saying about it being level 22.  i just disagree with you and you disagree with me.  </p><p>originator, that's why you would see me at level 22 (spending 1/2 my AA) unarmed and you see others at 22with MC'd weps.    you asked for opinions and i gave one as did tt66.  you can do the research and decide for yourself.  i am going to work so that i can afford to keep playing this stupid, yet incredibly addictive game. </p>

[originator]

lol i loved your comment about the stupid yet highly addictive game. anyway thanks for the opinions guys. i think ill try em both out. i intend on locking at like 26 or 25 btw. so maybe fists will be worth it? i appreciate the help and any other input from anyone is great too.

[Splintered]

Lildebbie@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>tt66 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lildebbie@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>tt66 wrote:</cite><blockquote>For what it's worth, I don't believe that 96% double attack > additional stats and a 1.0 proc per min adornment <b>at level 22</b>. As far as I can tell, going unarmed at level 22 does roughly the same damage as lvl 22 mastercrafted weapons. (Of course unarmed at level 26, say, does more damage as unarmed damage <i>scales according to level</i>). And I certainly don't believe that the difference in damage is worth 16 AA points, or half the total number available at level 22. </blockquote>i would tell you that you are mistaken, but you wouldn't believe me.  no i never ran a parser at level 22, but i did drop my MC h2h's in favor of the str line at around that time.  i was immediately impressed.  read the others posts on both the bruiser and monk boards before you believe me.  you'll find that 96% double attack cannot be beaten for DPS until the twin calamaties are attainable.  maybe you don't think that's worth 16 AA's, but i thought so then and i still think so. </blockquote> Well of course it's a good idea to switch to the str line around that time. unarmed is the best levelling spec bar none. That's not in debate. (Well, except for the idea that you have to wait for KOS fabled before making the switch. Personally I don't think it's worth keeping unarmed once your weapons are around 100 dps. I know others disagree). What I am saying, is that the difference in damage between MC weapons and unarmed at <b>level 22</b> (not 24, 26 or 30 but <b>22</b>) is not worth spending half your AA points on. </blockquote><p>i understood what you were saying about it being level 22.  i just disagree with you and you disagree with me.  </p><p>originator, that's why you would see me at level 22 (spending 1/2 my AA) unarmed and you see others at 22with MC'd weps.    you asked for opinions and i gave one as did tt66.  you can do the research and decide for yourself.  i am going to work so that i can afford to keep playing this stupid, yet incredibly addictive game. </p></blockquote>no offense, but your almost lvl 60, giving pvp advice, and have less then 200 kills and almost as many deaths? Am I missing something here?

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

Someone who leveled quickly to get higher level? For leveling, unarmed is king, simple as that. Sure, right at lvl 22 you might equal your DPS on MC weapons.. but that means you had to buy MC weapons too, spending cash you could have spent elsewhere, such as on broker items or equipment later in levels, or whatnot. If you are going to level lock and twink yourself with equipment, yeah.. lvl 22 unarmed isn't going to be worth spending half your points. But if you are going to level up past that, then spending half your points on saving buttloads of cash over 50 levels and effectively having a weapon that's superior than crafted or treasured options 80-90% of your time. Especially considering the other options for your points aren't exactly that hot anyways. The only other points I'd consider weighing in the same or better is Crits.. and that can be the other half of your points, so where do you go from there? Seriously.. if you don't plan on locking in at a particular level, you are best served with unarmed.