Thanks for nothing again

[Thail]

Ya, this patch amounted to nothing and only furthered our gap to other tanks in the game and the reason to not bring us on raids also grew. If anything we got a few spells nerfed. Why dont you just come out and say it SoE. You hate raiding Brawlers.

[McDade]

<cite>Thail wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ya, this patch amounted to nothing and only furthered our gap to other tanks in the game and the reason to not bring us on raids also grew. If anything we got a few spells nerfed. Why dont you just come out and say it SoE. You hate <span style="color: #ff0000">ALL</span> Brawlers. </blockquote><p> FIXED!!</p><p>Morris</p>

[Madmoon]

<p>Whine, whine, whine - look, we're good!</p><p>"Starter - Favorable Wind: Affects all non-mount movement speed."</p><p> See?  See?  Think of it, there you are, fighting the Avatar of War, and someone needs a drink - who's going to go get it and be back before anyone else?  Or if a wizard twenty feet away needs their brow mopped, and fast, who'll do it?  Remember, we're in combat, so no one can mount up to any effect.  Brawlers, that's right.  The nurses of the raiding floor.</p><p>Well, at least they didn't touch Stone Deaf.  Yet.</p>

[Ganeden]

<cite>Thail wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ya, this patch amounted to nothing and only furthered our gap to other tanks in the game and the reason to not bring us on raids also grew. If anything we got a few spells nerfed. Why dont you just come out and say it SoE. You hate raiding Brawlers. </blockquote> It's so true, they helped out all the other tanks and once again screwed us. I truely hate whoever was in charge of brawlers for this patch, I hope him and my bruiser meet in a dark alley one night.

[luunch]

hey hey now. i know 2 reasons we are good for a raid where im always useful as a bruiser... matron... we are perfect. we sit outside of raid and clear trash <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> soloing FTW!!! and #2 i can sit outside of zone and get useful classes into the raid <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> im so proud!!!!!!!!!!

[heelena]

<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman">ARGH!! i waited for this lu so much. the test update note has been so super. but then the started to put everything away what was good - in the end we have ONE thing done better:  REUSE of CRANEFLOCK is now 3MIN - CONGRATZ SONY !!!!! WWWWOooooOOOTTT.... every post about "what brings a bruiser to a raid?" is useless... cause we are on the same as bevor lu 36.... arrrghh.... grmmll....</span></p>

[luunch]

ive seen zerker's hit almost 3k dps (and im sure well geared zerkers can pass 3k) ive seen guardians hit 2k constantly.. sk's can hit 2k.. so where in the balance are we? cant tank. we can dps but its not even on par with a plate tank... and yes i know brawlers can parse 2-2.5k but what im saying is if plate tanks can do it and tank. where do we stand? hell give us more DPS since we already cant tank worth crap

[Rezzonico]

well, in fact what devs could do is increase DPS or increase the CAs damage

[Novusod]

<cite>Ganeden wrote:</cite><blockquote> It's so true, they helped out all the other tanks and once again screwed us. I truely hate whoever was in charge of brawlers for this patch, I hope him and my bruiser meet in a dark alley one night.</blockquote> There is no bruiser dev or anyone in charge of bruisers that is what you guys are always over looked. There is no role for bruisers on raid because no one has thought of one. A Bruiser is no more a tank than troubador is high DPS scout. <- I think I will put that in my sig now.

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

All Fighters, including Brawlers, should be capable raid tanks. Just like all Healers are capable raid healers. Maybe I should start having a sig.

[ganjookie]

<cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ganeden wrote:</cite><blockquote> It's so true, they helped out all the other tanks and once again screwed us. I truely hate whoever was in charge of brawlers for this patch, I hope him and my bruiser meet in a dark alley one night.</blockquote> T<span style="color: #990000">here is no bruiser dev or anyone in charge of bruisers </span>that is what you guys are always over looked. There is no role for bruisers on raid because no one has thought of one. A Bruiser is no more a tank than troubador is high DPS scout. <- I think I will put that in my sig now. </blockquote> That is the biggest problem.  there is no direction.

[Godsgift4040]

<cite>Thail wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ya, this patch amounted to nothing and only furthered our gap to other tanks in the game and the reason to not bring us on raids also grew. If anything we got a few spells nerfed. Why dont you just come out and say it SoE. You hate raiding Brawlers. </blockquote><p> he said it nicer then i would have. [Removed for Content] are u doing soe do you even test brawlers in a raid setting? you clearly dont read pretty much ANY forums because every other class is laughing at how craptastic we are in a raid setting. it is sad you are destroying a great class and filtering players who have played bruisers for 2 years towards other classes because we hurt our guilds if we are on our mains for raids..........................</p><p>      denubis befallen</p>

[MadGiggler]

Sadly, can anyone remember the last time that Bruiser's got anything other than a "nerf"? Anyone that can dual wield wep's over 63dps (ex: Razor Gauntlets & Hand of Destruction) should not be out dps's by someone wielding ONE wep with a dmg rating of 70~80 + a shield/buckler!!!  Using 2 wep's should always out dps someone using one (of equal lvl's)  anyways....  I don’t think any amount of [Removed for Content] by us will ever change this as the above posts have suggested...there is no-one @ SOE that gives a dam about Brawlers.  In all the Ultra-Hardcore raiding guilds Brawlers are set aside for different classes... I'm a part of a guild that actually uses 2 brawlers, me the Bruiser and a monk...  we do ok...but in my opinion we should be out DPS'n all others that melee.  Well, there's my 2cp

[Thail]

Oh, yes TY I just noticed Dragg changed to up to 5 seconds. Which means we can't duel for [I cannot control my vocabulary] anymore. Thanks SOE.  So now when I duel any scout class thats already 3 times faster then me and has a snare and every attack I have knocks them 20 meters out of range of my melee. I can't even use dragg to keep them close cause it lasts 2 seconds. Devs you totally win the award of killing the fun of the  Brawler class. You are ranked #1 on the eq2players board. This is seriously getting pathetic

[Rezzonico]

<p>Ehi...who's the idiot that removed one of my replyes without sending any PVT message?</p><p>And anyway i didn't offended anyone, anything or accusing...i just showed the charchteristics of the bruisers AA lines, no more.</p><p>Who is this one that done this? come and show you, i want to report you!</p>

[ganjookie]

I think its a Guardian who is scared of us tanking in a raid.