Class re-spec...

[Tatate]

In vent today, Prophecy and I were discussing the changes coming with GU36. He mentioned something that would be awesome, but probably won't happen. Class Re-spec. The ability to change your class in light on the upcoming GU. It would be fair, since doing so would per-say leave you with no spells, you would have to buy them all, just like if you exiled. It would be expensive to do so, but perhaps just something to think about... Thanks, Prophecy...good idea.

[Qanil]

<p>why on earth would they allow this?  it is detrimental to revenue stream, and because so, it'll NEVER happen.  </p>

[Fonrian]

We'd have servers full of healers instead of servers full of scouts....not that different really!

[Prophecy]

<p>My main is a 70 Wizzy which is going to benefit greatly from GU36 and I still think a class respec is a valid idea.</p><p>As players, we sink alot of time and effort into our toons.....especially our 'main'. If your character gets changed, or nerfed' to the point where it isnt fun for you to play it anymore, I think you should be able to respec your class.</p><p>You'll lose all your gear and masters, so it isnt like people will abuse the option.</p><p>Like exiling, but with the option to choose any class once you choose a new home.</p><p>I love you Zatia....seriously. I'm talkin deep-seeded love here man.......</p>

[silentpsycho]

Prophecy@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>My main is a 70 Wizzy which is going to benefit greatly from GU36 and I still think a class respec is a valid idea.</p><p>As players, we sink alot of time and effort into our toons.....especially our 'main'. If your character gets changed, or nerfed' to the point where it isnt fun for you to play it anymore, I think you should be able to respec your class.</p><p>You'll lose all your gear and masters, so it isnt like people will abuse the option.</p><p>Like exiling, but with the option to choose any class once you choose a new home.</p><p>I love you Zatia....seriously. I'm talkin deep-seeded love here man.......</p></blockquote> ...like they gave Warlocks a free respec during LU13's class destruction, er, combat revamp update, right?  The /respec we all got consisted of clicking the "delete" button, hitting enter, then creating a new character with the same name.  I suspect we'll get the same loving this time around.  TBH, if this were available, I'd make my Assasin a Brigand, and maybe my Fury a Warden, but that's about it.

[AnAnimatedcorpse]

<cite>silentpsycho wrote:</cite><blockquote>Prophecy@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>My main is a 70 Wizzy which is going to benefit greatly from GU36 and I still think a class respec is a valid idea.</p><p>As players, we sink alot of time and effort into our toons.....especially our 'main'. If your character gets changed, or nerfed' to the point where it isnt fun for you to play it anymore, I think you should be able to respec your class.</p><p>You'll lose all your gear and masters, so it isnt like people will abuse the option.</p><p>Like exiling, but with the option to choose any class once you choose a new home.</p><p>I love you Zatia....seriously. I'm talkin deep-seeded love here man.......</p></blockquote> ...like they gave Warlocks a free respec during LU13's class destruction, er, combat revamp update, right?  The /respec we all got consisted of clicking the "delete" button, hitting enter, then creating a new character with the same name.  I suspect we'll get the same loving this time around.  TBH, if this were available, I'd make my Assasin a Brigand, and maybe my Fury a Warden, but that's about it.</blockquote><p>Ha. I was about to say the same thing. The current class respec button is called "Created a New Character".</p><p> I don't see the devs EVER letting us respec our class, and to put it gently.. that is the dumbest idea EVER.. like EVER-EVER. Just learn how to play the new augmented version of your class, enjoy it, I don't think they will be breaking your character or anything like that. </p><p>People will still play and be awesome at every class out there. I have be PWNED by almost every class in the game at some point and its not because I suck at PVP. Every class has the potential to be great under any circumstance- but its not like they are just completely breaking the classes anyway. Things change, and the game evolves for the better, if you can't stand your current class anymore, then reroll...</p><p>If you want a fresh class at level 70 I suggest checking out the exchange servers...</p><p>Just my thoughts on that.</p>

[Prophecy]

Cloven@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><cite>silentpsycho wrote:</cite><blockquote>Prophecy@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>My main is a 70 Wizzy which is going to benefit greatly from GU36 and I still think a class respec is a valid idea.</p><p>As players, we sink alot of time and effort into our toons.....especially our 'main'. If your character gets changed, or nerfed' to the point where it isnt fun for you to play it anymore, I think you should be able to respec your class.</p><p>You'll lose all your gear and masters, so it isnt like people will abuse the option.</p><p>Like exiling, but with the option to choose any class once you choose a new home.</p><p>I love you Zatia....seriously. I'm talkin deep-seeded love here man.......</p></blockquote> ...like they gave Warlocks a free respec during LU13's class destruction, er, combat revamp update, right?  The /respec we all got consisted of clicking the "delete" button, hitting enter, then creating a new character with the same name.  I suspect we'll get the same loving this time around.  TBH, if this were available, I'd make my Assasin a Brigand, and maybe my Fury a Warden, but that's about it.</blockquote><p>Ha. I was about to say the same thing. The current class respec button is called "Created a New Character".</p><p> I don't see the devs EVER letting us respec our class, and to put it gently.. that is the dumbest idea EVER.. like EVER-EVER. Just learn how to play the new augmented version of your class, enjoy it, I don't think they will be breaking your character or anything like that. </p><p>People will still play and be awesome at every class out there. I have be PWNED by almost every class in the game at some point and its not because I suck at PVP. Every class has the potential to be great under any circumstance- but its not like they are just completely breaking the classes anyway. Things change, and the game evolves for the better, if you can't stand your current class anymore, then reroll...</p><p>If you want a fresh class at level 70 I suggest checking out the exchange servers...</p><p>Just my thoughts on that.</p></blockquote><p> I'm curious as to why you feel it's the dumbest idea ever. Like EVER-EVER.</p><p>Aren't MMOs about enjoyment? </p><p>So according to you, a class respec in an MMO is dumber than......Skydiving with a parachute? Playing NFL football in a pink tu-tu?</p>

[AnAnimatedcorpse]

<p>Hmm you want a simile...</p><p> Respeccing a level 70 to a completely archetype is like rewarding people for giving up.</p><p>or....</p><p> Respeccing a level 70 to a completely different archetype is liking someone giving you a toon that is not yours and one that you have no idea how to play (in most cases).</p><p> Yes, MMO's are all about enjoyment, but its not about free rides to the top of a new class (again just my opinion). In life you get what you pay for, and you pay to play the game how they design it, not how you think it should be for you. Although custum tailored games would be pretty awesome! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Prophecy]

<p>I wasnt thinking about the respecc for myself..I'm happy with my Wiz and have been since day 1. Was just thinkin about options they could implement to keep players from getting frustrated from puttin time and effort into toons and then losing interest.</p><p>Maybe a respecc to level 50 so folks have to learn the new class.....</p><p>Should get some reward for making the initial grind to 70.</p>

[AnAnimatedcorpse]

And just a heads up, my post was not intended to be a personal ""diss"" against you. I always love fighting SGD, most of the ones I have fought are great PVPers.

[Harbringer Doom]

Prophecy@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>So according to you, a class respec in an MMO is dumber than......Skydiving <b>with </b>a parachute? </p></blockquote> <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  STOP THE INSANITY!!

[AnAnimatedcorpse]

Tesar@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Prophecy@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>So according to you, a class respec in an MMO is dumber than......Skydiving <b>with </b>a parachute? </p></blockquote> <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  STOP THE INSANITY!! </blockquote> Parachuting with a bag of silverware FTW!!!! ACME REPRESEEEEENT!<img src="/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[AnAnimatedcorpse]

And Jim Carrey played some awesome NFL in a pink tutu- I think I am going to watch that movie as soon as I get home.

[Prophecy]

<p>Rofl talk about a classic typo....eh without a parachute maybe?</p><p>I wont even edit that post just to remind myself before I try and get too clever, to make sure I take a second look and what I type.</p><p>Thanks for the SGD love. No 'diss' taken.</p>

[-Arctura-]

(( I dont see how it is rewarding people for giving up, if all their skills are reduced to app1 and crap like that. Its like, a second chance, if anything

[silentpsycho]

<p>Well, there is no bounds to what can be accomplished if enough people whine in unison, it seems.</p><p>/sigh</p>

[CresentBlade]

<p>I dont think so, you pick a easy mode class and now you want a easy way to change to the next easy mode class? [Removed for Content]...ummmm</p><p>NO<img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Tatate]

It was an idea, just that, an idea. If you want to think that it is a way for people to "Jump ship and find a better one" then you got it all wrong. In my opinion, the number one reason people would quit would be from getting bored with their current character, grinding them to 70 and then just being absolutely done with wanting to play that class. The idea of letting people re-spec their class, while paying a very heavy penalty, no matter what it may be, might actually help someone who has grinded to 70 and wants a change. Now, yes, if this was implemented people may take advantage of it, but people can and do take advantage of almost anything they can, it's human nature, so yes, some people may "Jump ship and find a better one" but at the same time give level 70 characters a chance to try something new without starting over and having to make the same grind again...

[Ikuri]

Hmmm ...well what I get from this thread is the following : Can you please let me switch my class to another without having to grind it all up and regear him again please. Because my class is no longer going to be ne of the overpowered class i was under the impression it was, when i chose to play the class. Thank you. ummm how about ....no ?

[Zeuhl]

Want a new class? Reroll. That simple.

[Prophecy]

<cite>Ikuri wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmmm ...well what I get from this thread is the following : Can you please let me switch my class to another without having to grind it all up and regear him again please. Because my class is no longer going to be ne of the overpowered class i was under the impression it was, when i chose to play the class. Thank you. ummm how about ....no ? </blockquote><p> You would have to regear your toon and get all of your spells again. You'd be looking at alot of time and plat to do so, especially with alot of high end items being no trade.</p><p>No one said anything about overpowered classes getting nerfed being the reason for change. Not everyone is looking for the end all be all of a toon. Perhaps someone is tired of playing their Assassin and wants to be a Defiler instead. Maybe said person has a full time job and a family and would benefit from not having to grind for another few months to a year in order to play a new class.</p><p>I'm seeing alot of folks reply with comments about easy mode classes. That isnt what the thread is about. It's about having an option, for whatever reason, to put your 'already spent' time and effort into something different.</p><p>There isnt anyone whining in unison either. There was an idea that was tossed about in ventrilo, then brought to the forums. This isnt a grass roots movement to 'stick the shaft' to the hardcore, dedicated, gaming purists.</p><p>Ima leave these forums to the knee-jerkers of the world. Peace.</p>

[Zeuhl]

Posted that way it doesnt sound all too bad, but didn't you have fun your first time through the game? Why not have a repeat performance of the fun with a new toon. Trust me I know about not having all the time in the world I'm in the service, which is one reason it took me almost a year to get my first toon to level 70. I'm not knocking the legit people who are just tired of a class and want to try a new one. What would you do if you chose a new class and didn't like it after  months? Are you gonna ask for another respec? Why not just roll a new toon and enjoy the experience of learning that new class and everything that comes with it? Make him your new main and use the resources of you other toon to help him out.

[Prophecy]

Zeuhl@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote>Posted that way it doesnt sound all too bad, but didn't you have fun your first time through the game? Why not have a repeat performance of the fun with a new toon. Trust me I know about not having all the time in the world I'm in the service, which is one reason it took me almost a year to get my first toon to level 70. I'm not knocking the legit people who are just tired of a class and want to try a new one. What would you do if you chose a new class and didn't like it after  months? Are you gonna ask for another respec? Why not just roll a new toon and enjoy the experience of learning that new class and everything that comes with it? Make him your new main and use the resources of you other toon to help him out. </blockquote><p> You can respec as many times as you want.</p><p>The point is..it isnt as easy as people think. Gear + Spells = Alot of time and money.</p><p>It isnt as simple as changin on a whim.</p>

[tiredang]

Prophecy@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Zeuhl@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote>Posted that way it doesnt sound all too bad, but didn't you have fun your first time through the game? Why not have a repeat performance of the fun with a new toon. Trust me I know about not having all the time in the world I'm in the service, which is one reason it took me almost a year to get my first toon to level 70. I'm not knocking the legit people who are just tired of a class and want to try a new one. What would you do if you chose a new class and didn't like it after  months? Are you gonna ask for another respec? Why not just roll a new toon and enjoy the experience of learning that new class and everything that comes with it? Make him your new main and use the resources of you other toon to help him out. </blockquote><p> You can respec as many times as you want.</p><p>The point is..it isnt as easy as people think. Gear + Spells = Alot of time and money.</p><p>It isnt as simple as changin on a whim.</p></blockquote>Ok, my guess is most people would not ruin their toon this way.  If someone I knew did that I honestly would be mad -- especially if they had geared up in raids I had been in.  My guess is the only people who would even consider this were the ones with a ton of pvp tokens in the bank. You can get to 30 in a matter of a couple days, 50 in a couple weeks without trying to hard.  A class change is just not necessary.

[Kaspar]

<p>Heh, nah I gotta agree that I don't think this is really a good idea, I mean, it seems fairly thought out and props for that, but I have run a couple toons to t5 and just thought, screw this, I'm bored with this class and deleted. Yeah yeah, I know not everyone is like me, but if one person is like this, I'd bet someone elses [Removed for Content] that theres others. I think if you want a new toon, then yeah, roll it, bite the bullet and feel that rosy feeling of accomplishment yet get when you finally ding 70, moments before a group of scouts go "ZOMGWTFBBQ!11!! W1zZY! FR33 TOK3N!!1! lawlz" <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Anyway, if there was going to be some form of character respeccing involved, I'd vote for race respec <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Cept you know almost everyone and his dog would at least consider going fae, arasai or kerra just for the speed boost now that the IC pvp speed is being normalised. Personally I'm just tired of staring at the back of a blue/black bald euridite head while out blue shiny whoring. Ah well, I guess I'll just invest in some froglok and ratonga bones or something and just use the illusion forms.</p><p>BTW to all you scouts out there, your anguish sustains me. <3</p>

[Legiax]

<p>lets see.... you want a quick way out.</p><p>No <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Prophecy]

Narl@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>lets see.... you want a quick way out.</p><p>No <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote><p> Nope. I love my toons. </p><p>Neither I, nor Zatia, care if such a thing is ever implemented in the game. It's just an idea that, after talking it out and thinking about the good and bad, seemed pretty valid after all was said.</p><p>I still think it's valid and if people think it's an easy way out or will be abused, they obviously havent thought about the time and money it takes to spec and gear your toon AFTER you hit 70.</p><p>I really doubt anyone would continually reroll due to the time and money they would be wasting with each respec. </p><p>I think the initial reaction to a post like this is 'OMG [Removed for Content] NO! We have to maintain the purity of the grind!'</p><p>But, after you put it all in perspective, you see it's not all positives without any negatives. At least, that's how a few of us saw it after a while.</p><p>Pish posh to the non-believers!</p>

[Qanil]

<p>Nevermind all of the things I read above.  What it comes down to is how "fair" it would be.  I mean seriously.  Some classes are just that much easier to get groups with, solo with, shoot harder to play in the traditional sense...</p><p>For me to work my tail off to get to 70 on a class like that and the have someone completely make a mockery of my accomplishments by taking the time to level up, learn my class, etc... by simply making a request to change to this other class that'd [Removed for Content] me off.  </p><p>It wouldn't be fair.  Part of the pride that comes from this game for people is the fact that they leveled THAT toon as THAT class... something that was theirs and unique.</p><p>If you want to turn into a different class, it's called the "Exchange Server"  go over there, spend a few bucks, presto! you're a different class ...</p><p>See the logic?  IMO it's a stupid idea on any other server than exchange, that'd hurt this game in so many ways.</p>

[Harbringer Doom]

Arimali@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>BTW to all you scouts out there, your anguish sustains me. <3</p></blockquote> Why am I in anguish?

[Tatate]

Narl@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>lets see.... you want a quick way out.</p><p>No <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote>Let's see.....No. I'm perfectly happy with my class, and wouldn't change even if I could. This was an idea that might provide an option for someone who doesn't have a lot of time to play and wants to enjoy their class. If someone has spent a lot of time and/ or effort into their class and doesn't have time to grind another toon up to 70, why not give them the option of changing their class, at a price of course, say, 20% taken from their levels and AA, all gear and spells gone. I didn't make this thread to be told that I'm just wanting a way out of my class, since I wouldn't change my class even if this idea was implemented.

[Xunen]

<p>/sarcasm</p><p>How about a game re-spec? You could convert your character into another SOE game.</p>