Our DPS is actually pathetic

[Lumens]

Hiya, I'm level 65.  Well, 66 now, but 65 at the time.   I have 62 mastercrafted & very nice Jewelery, 62 minimum.  Basically i have a higher level Fury & I am twinked to Lord knows.  All spell are A3 or Master whatever.   About 50 AA, been away since I was level 47 but everything I use now is best  I can find.   And I have been reading here so my AA's are not in anything stupid, but academic to my point. So anyway, cut a long short I see my quest log is bulging at the seams so I decide to loose a few.  AA is always good.  L&L sirens looks good also... Easy.  Only need 3 items and they are well grey.  I know where some of these Sirens are, off the coast in TS & there's loads of them.  So I ride out. So I find them, there are in groups of 3 or 4.   Level is 24 or 25, standard mobs.  They cannot harm me, is true. I hit them with my level 60 A3 AoE & mostly they laugh.  takes me 2 shots to kill them.  Then finally they are gone. Imagine in reverse.   I am level 25 & I attack a level 65.  One nanosecond later I'm dead.

[Lumens]

I should add this spell was only Adept III

[EQAditu]

Well, don't use our crappiest damage spell.  We are <b>not </b>an AE class.  I do not even use Blaze of Faith while soloing really.  Maybe if there's like 4-5 mobs, I'll pull with it.  Otherwise single target is just fine.  I don't even find it worth it to use in the small gap I have in my casting chain...  the casting is too long and the damage too low.  If I have Yaulp up and multiple mobs on me, it'll just get interrupted anyhow.

[EQAditu]

<cite>Lumens wrote:</cite><blockquote>Imagine in reverse.   I am level 25 & I attack a level 65.  One nanosecond later I'm dead. </blockquote> I couldn't help but take your hypothetical situation as a challenge.  If you attack something 40 levels above you, you die in a nano-second...  but you seem to think the opposite could not happen. So I found some level 30 mobs... and attacked a few of them... <span style="font-size: xx-small">(1182243174)[Tue Jun 19 04:52:54 2007] YOUR Holy Strike hits a Krulkiel basher for 1134 divine damage. (1182243174)[Tue Jun 19 04:52:54 2007] A Krulkiel basher staggers slightly, shaking Its head. (1182243174)[Tue Jun 19 04:52:54 2007] You start fighting. (1182243174)[Tue Jun 19 04:52:54 2007] YOU critically hit a Krulkiel basher for 783 crushing damage. (1182243174)[Tue Jun 19 04:52:54 2007] A healing spell is cast on you. (1182243174)[Tue Jun 19 04:52:54 2007] YOU critically hit a Krulkiel basher for 938 crushing damage. (1182243174)[Tue Jun 19 04:52:54 2007] You have killed a Krulkiel basher. (1182243174)[Tue Jun 19 04:52:54 2007] You stop fighting. (1182243174)[Tue Jun 19 04:52:54 2007] Your faction standing with The Irontoe Brigade got better. </span> I'm really just trying to tell you that your DPS is what you make of it.  If you're getting poor DPS, find a way to improve it.  Don't just say that it's pathetic.

[LowfyrWildforge]

<p>Blaze of Faith is actually a very good spell, depending on your personal strategy for fighting.  I don't use yaulp.</p>

[EQAditu]

<cite>LowfyrWildforge wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Blaze of Faith is actually a very good spell, depending on your personal strategy for fighting.  I don't use yaulp.</p></blockquote> You have to at least admit that he is using our lowest numerical damage spell(debatable), with the slowest cast time, with the 2nd slowest recast time in order to say that our DPS is pathetic.  That's aside from the point that it's our hardest to upgrade nuke this tier.

[sfarugger]

<p>I thouht this thread was going to be on a different subject, but nonetheless...   I think the Templar DPS, considering we are primary healer roled, is fairly good.  With a good 1h or 2h crushing, and specced STR with melee crit, it's much better.</p><p>Throw in the added DPS against undead mobs, we are deadly.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Lumens]

The recast does not matter. I have 5 points in this anyway. I know the spell is not high DPS, but it should be good for clearing 'trash mobs' because it's of little use anywhere else. For level 25 mobs it should wipe them easily with one cast I think. I use it a lot, often it's because it's there to be used & everything else is down, but it's scary how little damage it does. I doubt I'll waste the mana in future. Needs 25% more damage to be viable. And did I miss something above, a post I did not understand? Did someone take on a mob 40 levels higher and live?

[Occam]

<cite>Lumens wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I hit them with my level 60 A3 AoE & mostly they laugh.  takes me 2 shots to kill them.  Then finally they are gone. Imagine in reverse.   I am level 25 & I attack a level 65.  One nanosecond later I'm dead. </p></blockquote>When I was lvl 60 I sent my templar hammer pet to attack Naggy (lvl 100^^^). My hammer parried his first attack. Then he squished my hammer. Then he squished me. Still, I technically lasted MUCH longer then a nanosecond. Hell, it took 3 attacks for an epic mob 40 lvls higher to kill me so I'm not really seeing an issue.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kendricke]

<cite>Occam wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lumens wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I hit them with my level 60 A3 AoE & mostly they laugh.  takes me 2 shots to kill them.  Then finally they are gone. Imagine in reverse.   I am level 25 & I attack a level 65.  One nanosecond later I'm dead. </p></blockquote>When I was lvl 60 I sent my templar hammer pet to attack Naggy (lvl 100^^^). My hammer parried his first attack. Then he squished my hammer. Then he squished me. Still, I technically lasted MUCH longer then a nanosecond. Hell, it took 3 attacks for an epic mob 40 lvls higher to kill me so I'm not really seeing an issue.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> Really?  At level 60, you used a level 65 spell to attack Nagafen?  It must have been pretty difficult scribing that one...</p>

[Occam]

Bah! Well it's certainly not the first time I've been confused. I know it was the week after I'd gotten the spell, so make that 65.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[LowfyrWildforge]

<p>He's probably remembering the hammer pet from EQ1, which was mid 50's, as I recall.</p><p> Let's address this in points:</p><p> 1) We are not the primary healers of anything.  Get this out of your head.   Our heals are just as good as other healers, but we work in concert with them.   Also, too many plate healers tends to spoil the soup, since our reactives don't particularly play nice with other reactives.  Our buffs and other abilities/heals do put us in the main tank group, yes indeed, but a lot of raids like to put a chain healer in there, too.  Ever had Ancestry with Blessings with Unyielding Benediction on a MT?  It's nice.</p><p> 2) The fact a Monster does more DPS than us is the worst argument I've ever heard of to increase our DPS.  The monsters necessarily HAVE to have statistical advantages on us, until processor speeds and programming increases to the point where we can give computers a comparable AI to humans.  Until then, we will always have the advantage of strategy, adaptability, and sneakiness.</p><p> 3) If you have the AA in it, Blaze of Faith is fast.  If you have it mastered, it's good damage.   If you have proc items and enough monsters in the encounter, it can do righteous amounts of damage. </p>

[Lumens]

"Really?  At level 60, you used a level 65 spell to attack Nagafen?  It must have been pretty difficult scribing that one..." Haha, [Removed for Content] right.  What a load of BS I love you Kendricke