Arasai/Fae Wing Movement = Discomfort for some

[Faerless]

<p>Hello all,</p><p>I'm starting this thread to discuss problems that have been reported to me from people who have difficulty playing EQII as either an Arasai or Fae.</p><p>It seems that the constant movement of the wings seems to have some negative side effects for some folks.</p><p>From several reports the constant rhythmic movement of the wings seems to draw the eye away from general game play in so distracting a way as to hinder playability.</p><p>Problems reported include (Nausea), (Vertigo) and (Tiredness).</p><p>If you've experienced these or any other issues related to Arasai/Fae wing movement please post your experiences below. Maybe we can encourage the developers to add a /halt wing or /hide wing option to make these races playable for people who experience the above listed issues.</p><p>Thank you for your time and consideration,</p><p>Faerless</p>

[Princess Ariel]

<span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="color: #ffffff"><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Arial">I<span style="color: #99ffff"> am so glad you posted this, I have those problems.  I would love to play the fae but after a bit or if I am in a group with a bunch of fae I get a headache, get sick to my stomach (so sick I have to throw up) and I start seeing flashing lights.  When I close my eyes I see nothing but the wings flapping over and over again.  I would love for soe to fix this problem with a hide wing option or a still wing option and have sent numerous feed backs with no luck.  I know some would just say don't play the race, but it not only bothers me when my own character is a fae but when I am grouped with them as well. I am getting to the point that I am thinking I may have to quit the game.  I have tried turning off the atomspheric effect, specular lighting, enabled bloom, I have tried playing in 1st person and playing in 3rd person as far out as I can with no luck.  SOE please, please, please, help.</span></span></span><span style="color: #99ffff"> </span></span><p><span style="color: #99ffff">Thank You for your time and this post</span></p><p><span style="color: #99ffff">Ariel</span></p>

[sfarugger]

<p>Funny you guys brought this up, cause I noticed it last night in a certain "forced" view, like up against a rock or something... It's quite uncomfortable to look at.</p><p>I'd definetely second a "hide wing" or some type of command to stop that movement.</p>

[Dead Knight]

Removing flapping of wings would kill the immersion for alot of players. If the race makes you sick to the point where you're throwing up and experiencing weird stuff like that, then I'm sorry to say it but you really shouldn't be playing it.

[sfarugger]

<p>hmm...</p><p>Could easily just toggle it, then we wouldn't have to worry about who likes it or not   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Siogai]

Make it a client-side thing.  Either you see Fae-wings or you don't, doesn't affect other players. Personally, I'd prefer a /hide Fae so I don't have to see the little buggers at all, including those blasphemous Arasai.

[redde]

Princess Ariel wrote: <blockquote><p><span style="font-size: large"><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: Arial">I am so glad you posted this, I have those problems.  I would love to play the fae but after a bit or if I am in a group with a bunch of fae I get a headache, get sick to my stomach (so sick I have to throw up) and I start seeing flashing lights.  When I close my eyes I see nothing but the wings flapping over and over again.  I would love for soe to fix this problem with a hide wing option or a still wing option and have sent numerous feed backs with no luck.  I know some would just say don't play the race, but it not only bothers me when my own character is a fae but when I am grouped with them as well. I am getting to the point that I am thinking I may have to quit the game.  I have tried turning off the atomspheric effect, specular lighting, enabled bloom, I have tried playing in 1st person and playing in 3rd person as far out as I can with no luck.  SOE please, please, please, help.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: large"><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: Arial">Thank You for your time and this post</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: large"><span style="font-family: Arial"><span style="color: #0000ff">Ariel</span></span></p></blockquote>your font colour on a black background makes me much more dizzy than playing my fae for hours on end.

[DanaDark]

<p>[Removed for Content]...</p><p>If Fae bother you.. DONT PLAY A FAE... DUH >< My God ><</p><p>Is this what the human species has been brought down to?! Utter stupidity?!</p><p>UGH... just UGHHHH... I swear... ><</p>

[Emerix]

They have a valid point there . Those things are everywhere and that movement can cause some discomfort . client sided hiding them sure wouldnt hurt .

[Kenozh]

wow could the ignorant people please stay out of these threads? just the idea of this being a serverside option is so far behind the moon that you should hit your head against the wall for the next 10 minutes Dead Knight. it has already been said that it's not only happening when one plays a fae but also when you're in a group with a fae, so [Removed for Content] DanaDark... seriously personally i have no problem at all with the wing movement but i see the problem for some people and and option for stopping or hiding the wings is hardly much work for soe.

[DanaDark]

<p>Fine, a more potent response.</p><p>To the OP, if you are unable to focus correctly with just a mild stimulus such as flapping wings on your screen, I would suggest first and foremost you NEVER breed, for if wings prevent your ability to focus, heavan forbid you raise a child, would require more focus than you could ever possibly render in your entire life.</p><p>To the princess whom gets physically ill when seeing a winged creature... try a MUD if graphics are preventing you from playing the game. As well, technically I might suggest you get some motion sickness meds since it most likely involves the same mechanics. </p><p>This is the very first complaint I've heard about Fae. Heck, this entire thread is so utterly ridiculous that I view it as a joke.</p><p>As for Mummel, seriously, I stand by everything I say.</p>

[Princess Ariel]

<p>I am not asking for them to turn off the wings compelety what I am requesting is an option to turn off the wings that I see on my screen.  Just like the ability to turn on and off the soga models. </p>

[Maldach]

If using giant blue text was an effort to simulate the discomfort one feels when playing a fairy, you were successful. I fully endorse this idea and or subject matter.

[StarryEyedElf]

DanaDark, there is a fine line between being emphatic/ heated and flaming. I'm sorry, but you sprinted over that line. Disagree respectfully. Some people have reported feelings of vertigo and nausea while playing video games before. It isn't as uncommon as you made it in your post.

[Faerless]

<p>Yes, please forgive my technical omission. I definately meant a client side option such as Soga Models where those who utilize the option are the ones effected. This would provide people who desire to see wings to see them and those who do not, not.</p><p>One comment I'd also like to add, to those who have nothing 'constructive' to add, please keep your negative personal comments to yourselves. Nothing is gained by verbally assaulting those who are mearly bringing an issue to light, DanaDark. </p><p>Thank you again for your time and consideration,</p><p>Faerless</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<cite>DanaDark wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>[I cannot control my vocabulary]...</p><p>If Fae bother you.. DONT PLAY A FAE... DUH >< My God ><</p><p>Is this what the human species has been brought down to?! Utter stupidity?!</p><p>UGH... just UGHHHH... I swear... ><</p></blockquote> No, it's just you. If you actually bothered to bust out a little good ole fashioned reading comprehension you would see that even grouping with a fairy for extended periods of time makes them sick. Doesn't really matter if you're a fae or not if there are 400 other fairies flapping around you.

[Miss_Jackie]

*sigh* I don't know if anyone EVER took the time to actually read EVERYTHING that comes with your video game box, but inside, there is a warning against people who have had problems with computer games/other console games. And if you do, to consult a doctor first. Does anyone NOT read these things before they start playing?!? My guess is that they'd rather start playing than to actually sit down and read.

[Grimwell]

I'd like to second Starry's point. If you can't contribute to the discussion without running right into the land of flames, please don't comment here.

[KerowynnKaotic]

<p>I have a similar issue with riding Carpets & other mounts.   </p><p>Though, I have no problem viewing people on Horses and Wargs, I can't take looking at someone on a Carpet for more than a few moments with out feeling nauseous. </p><p>I have requested a /hide_mount function numerous times to no avail. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p>As to /hide_wings .. how about a /stop_wing function, instead?  </p><p>Losing the Visual Wing would be rather silly looking but maybe a client side "static" wing could be used for those people that find the movement discomforting?   </p><p>Could be toggled on and off depending on the situation. </p><p>*shrug*</p>

[Emerix]

Now if they actually put it in the command should totally be /cut_wings *grin*

[rvbarton]

I would love to play a fae or arasei, but I feel like I'd go into epileptic shock from the wing fluttering..  I'd like to see a toggle also...

[Valita]

I'm not sure what's up with the hatefulness. That's just inappropriate and as the mods said crosses the line. I believe the wing effect is a particle effect so turning down particles can stop the fluttering but will obviously turn off the particles (clothing, spells, and so forth). You will still see wings but they wont be fluttering. Its a work around perhaps. EDIT: Ok I just tried to do this again and it doesn't seem to work anymore. Sorry. I see no problem with a client side alternative that allows the individual to become more comfortable playing the game. It doesn't hurt anyone. Yes there is a warning on the box and when you start the game the first time that some people can feel ill. It's happened to me a time or two (not sure why but the Frostfel maze had me in a cold sweat). There is no reason to be vindictive towards someone who feels this. That's not what these forums are about. Personally I don't care for the constant hovering. I'd love to be able to have my fae/arasai do the slow strut! LOL! But they only touch the ground when they emote. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It would be nice if we had a /no fly command (this would help classes with safefall too. Oops got off subject... es tut mir leid!

[selch]

<p>Do yourself a favor and don't play characters that can physically harm you.</p><p>For example for my own:</p><p>I can't stand fast action FPS games due to my astigmats.. solution: I don't play them</p><p>I can't stand blobbing for same reason.. solution: I don't use my warg </p><p>I can't stand wing flapping, I don't play a Fae or Arasai. </p><p>Why would you play a race that has nothing but wings and what would be meaning of it, if you cut wings?  If it is for character traits, do yourself a favor and ask for better traits for other races... Noone can want more than me to cut Arasai's or Fae's wings by my own hands but this is where they would die... I'd respect them to get burried with their limbs.</p>

[cerialxthrilla]

<cite>selch wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Do yourself a favor and don't play characters that can physically harm you.</p><p>For example for my own:</p><p>I can't stand fast action FPS games due to my astigmats.. solution: I don't play them</p><p>I can't stand blobbing for same reason.. solution: I don't use my warg </p><p>I can't stand wing flapping, I don't play a Fae or Arasai. </p><p>Why would you play a race that has nothing but wings and what would be meaning of it, if you cut wings?  If it is for character traits, do yourself a favor and ask for better traits for other races... Noone can want more than me to cut Arasai's or Fae's wings by my own hands but this is where they would die... I'd respect them to get burried with their limbs.</p></blockquote>if you read any of the other posts, this is also happening when other Fae are on screen. Atleast be decent enough to read the posts before you start bashing people.. How would it affect you if some people turned off wings on their game? It wouldn't affect you in the least.

[Allisia]

While the fae and arasai models don't bother me, I see no reason why the devs shouldn't respect this request. I know I would hate to have to give up the game over such a easily corrected issue.

[Rastaah]

<p>Maybe just like hide helm/cloak they can add a feature to stop wing movement. I like the wings moving, but.....now that you all said this, so weird because I do get REALLY bad eye fatigue when playing winged charaters lol. JUst never realized that was what it was.</p><p>So now I know.</p>

[Targ]

<p>The Arasai/Fae wing movement for me is uncomfortable to watch for long periods. If a client side options to stop the flapping could be created, I would definatly turn it on.  The flapping for me just causes eye strain. I have not played the Arasai/Fae much because of this issue. And I don't like to group with them either.  </p><p>Most of the other partical effects are not a problem, except there is one buff that has a little fire ball circling over the tanks head I don't know what the buff is called but I don't care for it.</p><p>I would like to point out that the view when riding a Warg gives me motion sickness, I had to sell them and buy horses.  All the other mounts are not a problem for me.  And this is not a big deal because the horse is faster anyway. </p><p>I do think it would be good if the game can be made more enjoyable to more people if the changes does not impact the play for anybody else.</p>

[Faerless]

<p>Some interesting technical information regarding the 'sickness' being reported.  </p><p><b>Simulation sickness</b></p><i><p>Simulation sickness, or simulator sickness, is a condition where a person exhibits symptoms similar to motion sickness caused by playing computer/simulation/video games.</p></i><p>The most common theory for the cause of simulation sickness is that the illusion of motion created by the virtual world, combined with the absence of motion detected by the inner ear, causes the<u> </u>area postrema in the brain to infer that one is hallucinating and further conclude that the hallucination is due to poison ingestion. The brain responds by inducing nausea and vomiting, to clear the supposed toxin. According to this theory, simulation sickness is just another a form of motion sickness.</p><p>The symptoms are often described as quite similar to that of motion sickness. Some can range from headache, drowsiness, nausea, dizziness, vomiting and sweating. A research done at the University of Minnesota had students play Halo for less than an hour, and found that up to 50 percent felt sick afterwards.</p><p>In a study conducted by U.S. Army Research Institute for the Behavioral and Social Sciences in a report published May 1995 titled "Technical Report 1027 - Simulator Sickness in Virtual Environments", out of 742 pilot exposures from 11 military flight simulators, "approximately half of the pilots (334) reported post-effects of some kind: 250 (34%) reported that symptoms dissipated in less than 1 hour, 44 (6%) reported that symptoms lasted longer than 4 hours, and 28 (4%) reported that symptoms lasted longer than 6 hours. There were also 4 (1%) reported cases of spontaneously occurring flashbacks".</p><p>Below is a link to an even more in depth study of the nature and causes of Simulation Sickness.  </p><p><a href="http://www.hitl.washington.edu/publications/r-96-3/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.hitl.washington.edu/publ...cations/r-96-3/</a></p><p>Thank you for your time and consideration of this issue,</p><p>Faerless</p>

[Image_Vain]

I agree and ask for a /Hide wings. However, the entire "wing hurting my eyes thing", I don't have that problem, but respect other players "problems" to yeah, please add this.

[selch]

<cite>cerialxthrilla wrote:</cite><blockquote>if you read any of the other posts, this is also happening when other Fae are on screen. Atleast be decent enough to read the posts before you start bashing people.. How would it affect you if some people turned off wings on their game? It wouldn't affect you in the least. </blockquote><p> I don't read other posts to reply to original post, sorry... </p><p>This has nothing to do with simulation sickness, because I have simulation sickness and noone forcing you to play with Fae...  It does not happen when seeing other ones that is not far as your own avatar.</p>

[Jal]

/hideotherplayers That then covers ugly armour, mounts, pets, and wings flapping. But lets not get silly, if people are honestly feeling ill due to this then a fix client side only is hardly a big thing to ask although im curious why people rolled these races when they experienced this issue.

[Krelor]

<p>I see nothing wrong with a client side option as mentioned by a few in this thread already, similar to that for other graphical effects such as cloth simulation, water movement etc etc.</p><p>That option being to show or not show fae/arasai wing *movement*</p><p>Fae/arasai without their wings may as well be another elf like race (I won't go into the 'they may as well be the same anyway' debate).</p><p>Some folks in this thread obviously enjoy seeing the fae/arasai in game and want to play them. Just because they suffer from problems stemming from the wing movement doesn't mean they suffer problems with the game environment *as a whole* nor is it a reason for slamming them for failing to observe the health warnings.</p><p>If it was made client side as per the options mentiond in my first paragraph - it would significantly help those who suffer from issues stemming from the *wing movement* AND allow them to continue to enjoy the game. </p><p>Client side changes have no impact on those who like to see such movement - they could continue to keep such an option enabled of course were it to appear.</p><p>edit: without, not 'with'</p>

[Princess Ariel]

<p>I guess I need to clarify myself although I thought I basically said it in my original post: I created a fae, it makes me sick so I <b>don't</b> play it <b>BUT</b> would love to play one. </p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- </p><p>Furthermore (which I didn't say in my orignial post), I don't think it is fair that I have to avoid groups/guild groups/raids with fae/arasia (when there are so many it is getting harder and harder to avoid everyday).  I as well don't think it is fair that I have to question leaving a game I have played for 3 years and that I absolutely love (and after paying soe around $750.00).  I am <b>not</b> asking for soe to get rid of the wings nor am I asking soe to get rid of the fae, I would never do that.  I understand why people love them.  I am asking for a <b>client</b> <b>side option</b> to either halt wings or hide wings.  It would not affect other players that choose to not use this option.   They would still see the wings and/or see the movement.  Just like the soga models,  I keep mine off or normal view but I have a friend that plays all characters in soga model.  He see's what he see's and I see what I see.  Personally I would like a stop movement option.  There are so many characters with beautiful wings out there.  </p><p>I don't think it is fair for people to be attacking anyone else or me for something they and I can not control.   I never had a problem with the game before the introduction of the fae/arasai, other then with the droag shape shift form (once again because of the wings flapping).  As for simulation sickness I play with a friend that has very minor epilepsy she cannot play in Barren Sky because of the brightness of the colors will set off seizures, (which most of the time she just avoids or has her boyfriend play her character when she has something to do there) so to me it proves that this a form of simulation sickness.  Thanks Faerless for putting out the link it was very informative and interesting.  </p><p>I really appreciate all those with postive and supportive feedback, THANK YOU.</p><p>Ariel </p>

[littleman17]

<p>For all you people who are bashing this thread just because they don't have this problem... *circle slap* I don't have this problem, but it is obvious that several people do, and SOE cannot afford to lose anymore people just because people think the solution should be "don't play that race or play with them".</p><p>Sure, the not playing the race is an option, but not playing with people of that race simply is not. The Fae and Arasai are EVERYWHERE! The other day, my Ranger (Wood Elf) was in the SoS with a group of me and five fae/arasai. Granted, I hardly even notice when they are there because they are so short (goes for halflings, gnomes and ratonga as well) and I am so engrossed in killing stuff.</p><p>But still, please but this feature in for those who have this problem. Make it like a /wingsstatic or just /wing for short. Typing that code would make all wings on characters simply not flutter, but rather sit there like cloaks.</p><p>That brings up another question... do you guys get this feeling when you see cloaks in motion?</p>

[Princess Ariel]

<p>Sometimes yes sometimes no.  If I am up close to my character (but not all the way in) it can start to bother me so I usually will turn it off.    I also think it doesn't bother me as much because it doesn't continueously do it,  and doesn't take up as much visual area.</p>

[Dead Knight]

While several people do have this problem, and the obvious solution would be not to play the race while SoE thinks of some sort of fix.. would you really still be willing to play the race if the whole point of them was... gimped? I don't really see the point of a winged creature flying without wings flapping or without any wings at all. Do you also experience this watching Droags ETC in KoS?

[Sylaz]

I honestly think that adding a client side option is more akin to applying a band-aid to an axe wound. If you're getting physically sick while playing any sort of video game, you should speak with a doctor and figure out if there's a way you can fix the problem. There are motion sickness remedies you can buy, and while this seems like a hassle that may not be the problem. Someone mentioned seeing lights while watching this, and that sounds like epilepsy, which is much more serious than just motion sickness, and you really should get some sort of help for that.

[Faerless]

<p>It was stated above by Princess Areil that the Droag wings also seem to produce this effect as well, although to a lesser extent.</p><p>I believe that the way most who suffer from this problem are working around it, they are simply not playing the races.  However that does not address the issue of being unable to avoid seeing others in the game who play the races.  The Fae/Arasai are everywhere.  Whether in groups or the general population, seeing them is unavoidable.</p><p>Additionally, were the 'whole point' of the Fae/Arasai simply to introduce winged races who 'fly', as opposed to introducing an interesting new pair of like-looking races with unique stats and physical appearance from other races in the game, I think Sony would have granted them actual 'flight'.  They did not.  They granted them the ability to 'hover'.  Were flight an attribute that the Fae/Arasai currently possess they would not immediately fall victim to gravity the moment they hover over a body of water.  *SPLASH*</p><p>What Sony did in fact do was introduce a new set of races that demonstrate a repeating movement charactistic that none of the other races demonstrate and is uncomfortable for some to visually encounter whether as a player or as an observer.  Whether they play the races or not, watching the movement of the wings seems to have a negative effect on their enjoyment of the EverQuest II experience.  </p><p>It has also been stated by other participants in this thread that their symptoms did not manafest until the introduction of the wing-flapping animation of the Fae/Arasai.  These are likely long time players who genuinely enjoy the game and have experienced no discomfort until the introduction of a race with a new visual animation.</p><p> After having recently done considerable research into this particular problem and it's symptoms my recommentations for addressing the issue are as follows.  </p><p>The later option would provide players with the ability to adjust the speed at which they see the movement of the Fae/Arasai wing animation.  It's entirely possible that the current speed of the animation is the culprit.</p><p>Persona / Options = < checkbox for Hide Wing > (Hides all Fae/Arasai wings seen by player)</p><p>Persona / Options = < checkbox for Stop Wing > (Halts flapping animation of all Fae/Arasai wings seen by player)</p><p>Options / Display = < slider for Fae/Arasai Wing Speed > (Adjusts speed of wing movement for all Fae/Arasai wing animation seen by player - stop/slower/faster)</p><p>Thank you again for your time and consideration of this issue, Faerless</p>

[Siogai]

Simple fix... Pin the Fae and Arasai to a wall. Viola!  No more flapping about, stealing our oxygen.

[Guy De Alsace]

<p>I wonder if this is similar to the vertigo people feel when being in precipitous places in games. First time I felt it was at the top of the lookout tower in Zek. Passes after a while but its interesting how the brain works at sorting out what you see and what actually is real. </p><p>With me, its repeated regular sounds such as clocks ticking that makes me want to go into a berserk frenzy. Thankfully theres a volume control so its not game breaking! I have digital clocks only in my house.</p><p>Oh and windchimes....nnnnnngghhhh GAAAHH!!!</p>

[Dead Knight]

<cite>Faerless wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It was stated above by Princess Areil that the Droag wings also seem to produce this effect as well, although to a lesser extent.</p><p>I believe that the way most who suffer from this problem are working around it, they are simply not playing the races.  However that does not address the issue of being unable to avoid seeing others in the game who play the races.  The Fae/Arasai are everywhere.  Whether in groups or the general population, seeing them is unavoidable.</p><p>Additionally, were the 'whole point' of the Fae/Arasai simply to introduce winged races who 'fly', as opposed to introducing an interesting new pair of like-looking races with unique stats and physical appearance from other races in the game, I think Sony would have granted them actual 'flight'.  They did not.  They granted them the ability to 'hover'.  Were flight an attribute that the Fae/Arasai currently possess they would not immediately fall victim to gravity the moment they hover over a body of water.  *SPLASH*</p><p>What Sony did in fact do was introduce a new set of races that demonstrate a repeating movement charactistic that none of the other races demonstrate and is uncomfortable for some to visually encounter whether as a player or as an observer.  Whether they play the races or not, watching the movement of the wings seems to have a negative effect on their enjoyment of the EverQuest II experience.  </p><p>It has also been stated by other participants in this thread that their symptoms did not manafest until the introduction of the wing-flapping animation of the Fae/Arasai.  These are likely long time players who genuinely enjoy the game and have experienced no discomfort until the introduction of a race with a new visual animation.</p><p> After having recently done considerable research into this particular problem and it's symptoms my recommentations for addressing the issue are as follows.  </p><p>The later option would provide players with the ability to adjust the speed at which they see the movement of the Fae/Arasai wing animation.  It's entirely possible that the current speed of the animation is the culprit.</p><p>Persona / Options = < checkbox for Hide Wing > (Hides all Fae/Arasai wings seen by player)</p><p>Persona / Options = < checkbox for Stop Wing > (Halts flapping animation of all Fae/Arasai wings seen by player)</p><p>Options / Display = < slider for Fae/Arasai Wing Speed > (Adjusts speed of wing movement for all Fae/Arasai wing animation seen by player - stop/slower/faster)</p><p>Thank you again for your time and consideration of this issue, Faerless</p></blockquote> Their purpose was indeed to fly, as is clearly displayed on the EoF art. The reason why they do not actually fly and just hover is because the game has no Y-axis.

[The_Cheeseman]

EQ2 has an axis for all 3 dimensions, that's why /locs show 3 numbers. This is evident simply by finding a flying MOB in the game and testing the range of your spells/combat arts as it gets higher up. MOBs have been designed in such a way as to bypass limitations imposed on players by zone geometry and altitude in order to prevent exploitation. The reason fae don't fly is because the development team intentionally did not include flight for PC's, as a design choice, to avoid the complication it would impose on zone design.

[tantric]

<p>I guess I'll pit my 2 coppers in. I recently created an arisai and while I do not get the upset stomach I do find myself getting Migrains after prolonged play on this character. I also find the Flapping of the wings a draw to the eye. I find myself being hypnotized by the wing motion and frequently get lost or into trouble since I do not pay attention to my surroundings. It's embarassing to be a scout and get loast all the time! I think that the Stop wing motion option would be a great client side option with minimal effort to impliment and impact to others would be nothing. </p><p>If for some reason SOE cannot impliment this, I can offer another solution that would be rather fun. We can hire an army of Trolls and Ogres to go out and Pluck the right wing from all of these annoying yet tasty little bugs! This way we can laugh as they fly in circles. Those that don't want the uni-wing option can opt to be covered in Honey and dry roasted by my wizard.</p>

[Slask]

<blockquote>What Sony did in fact do was introduce a new set of races that demonstrate a repeating movement charactistic that none of the other races demonstrate and is uncomfortable for some to visually encounter whether as a player or as an observer. </blockquote><p> Actually that is wrong, there is a race that had been available since the game went live that has this: Iksar.</p><p>Iksar tails are constantly moving back and forth (with the exception of when they are fighting I think), so I wonder if folks that have this problem with fae wings get the same thing with Iksar tails?</p><p> Edit:  I have noticed that Fae wings fluttering are hypnoizing...but then I remember how much my main (a Iksar bruiser) would like to have them for a snack....</p>

[Alxandra]

<p>I wouldn't be surprised at all that SOE is either working on a fix to this problem or is in testing to find out how severe it is.  </p><p>I occasionally get some motion sickness in game.  For me, it is rare.  Faes used to bother me a tad.  They dont anymore.  I guess I have learned to position their wings in my camera view so it doesnt bother me.</p><p> I raid a lot, and we have a fae healer, and it's not uncommon for us to be instructed to clump up together somewhere.  I used to have trouble with her wings obstructing my view and that was actually more problematic for me than the repetitive motion, but, as I said, Ive gotten quite good at positioning my camera cause it doesnt bother me anymore.  </p><p>I expect that SOE will likely create an option to stop wing movement.  This will make game play more comfortable for a lot of people.  In my case, however, I would feel horrible cutting the fae wings, and will just continue to play as is, but just making sure that i dont leave my camera in a position where i can see the wings afluttering.</p><p> PS Valita... grins thanks for the memories.... I got sick to the stomach just remembering the Frostfell maze.   GAG</p>

[Ruut Li]

When I used the fun, bright colors for the winged races I experienced nausea, which was surprising since Im usually not very sensitive to those things. Thankfully it stopped when I switched to more neutral colors and I could keep on playing my winged cuties.

[Faerless]

<p>That's a good point about the brighter colors having more of a draw upon the eye.</p><p>The Iksar tails don't seem to have the same effect, on me at least.  Possibly due to the position of the tail being lower in the character frame and relative slowness of the swishing movement compared to the Arasai/Fae wing movement.</p><p>Faerless</p>

[Winter]

<span style="font-size: medium; color: #ff66ff; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">Hmm... They don't bother me at all, I love the wing animations... but I guess I could see how they could cause one discomfort... I wonder if there would be a way for them to make wings still. I personally don't agree with an option to turn wings themselves off as they are integral to the characters, but I can agree with the option to turn the animation off.</span>

[Seraki]

<p>My fey and arasai only flutter their wings when they jump or are in combat.   Other than that is a slow gentil movement.  </p><p> I do have problems with the crafting tables for some reason but I have not been able to pin down exactly what it is.   </p><p>I would be sad if my little fey bugs lost their flutter .. its so cute <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Siogai]

Much like using Original vs SOGA models, if someone turned off the Fae/Arasai wings in their display options, you'd never know it.  You'd be a little, floating elfing thing to them. ... if they implement such an option, that is.

[Magik01]

<span style="color: #996666">I am playing an arasai now and don't have a problem at all with motion sickness and fae/arasai wings, either on my own character or grouped with several others of them.  (Now the carpet mount..bleh..that's another story.)   I think an option to turn off the 'movement' off the wings would be fine, but not an option to get rid of the wings entirely.  Then you still have the actual race there and not some miniature wingless elf-like-thingy floating about looking ridiculous.  That would be about as odd as turning off other random body parts of the races.</span>

[Skywarrior]

<p>When I log into EQ2 I have the option to go into my control panel and turn all of my graphics down to extreme performance quality.  Know what that does?  It makes every single character ugly as sin, for starters.  It smudges all the colors and makes everything muddy.  Looks worse than EQ1 when it first came out.  I can also select whether I want that barbarian standing in the corner to look like a distinguished nobleman or a punk rocker by simply changing the model I view.  And guess what?  Not another player in the game is affected by any of those changes in my viewing pleasure.</p><p>I really don't understand the really vicious attitudes displayed by some in this thread for folks asking for a simple graphic adjustment feature that would have absolutely zero effect on anyone else's gameplay.  Frankly, SOE could implement an option to make all characters look like cube monsters if the player so chose and it would still have zero effect on anyone else's gameplay.  It has zero effect on anyone else's 'immersion' (as if that were a significant factor in a game where the vast majority only want to know what is the fastest, best, most damage, easiest to play, most needed, etc etc.).</p><p>My wife cannot play a Fae although she loves their looks and would like to.  The wings bother her.  It's a problem.  It's a fairly common problem.  It should be addressed.  Addressing the problem will enable more players to play the game comfortably and <b>will not interfere in any way with the visual enjoyment of any other player</b>.  </p><p>People ask for changes on these boards all the time that, if implemented, would affect all other players, sometimes dramatically, without getting the kind of drival that some on this thread have dished out.  It's totally unnecessary since the fix for the problem does not in any way affect any other player other than the one who chooses to implement the feature.  Have I said that in enough ways to get that through?  </p>

[Josgar]

<p>Remove wings= please no</p><p>Having a way for the animations on them to be turned off= yes</p><p>Chopping off a fae's wings would be like chopping off legs of other races.</p>

[Off]

LOL The Frostfell maze made me so ill that I actually did develop severe headaches and vomiting from "motion sickness"  There are caves in Enchanted Lands which have the same effect on me.  Solution?  I don't go to those places.  I have both a Fae and an Arasai, and yes, the flapping does give me those same ill feelings.  I choose to play those toons in first person view - therefore I do not see the wing flapping.  However, when I'm in an area where there are many Fae/Arasai around me, I can't toggle them to first person view.  Therefore, I have the same motion sickness feelings.  Result?  I stay away from those areas to the best of my ability. By doing so I'm still trying to enjoy the game, but also trying to alleviate the sicknesses.  It's taking away from some of the content for me, but no, I'm not going to stop playing this game.  Why should I?  I've never had any issues prior to the examples I've cited above.  I've spoken with doctors and no, I am not having seizures (obviously).  It's not a health hazard, but it is very uncomfortable at times.  I think a toggle to cease the fluttering of wings is a very reasonable request, and it is NOT hurting anyone's gameplay.  At the same time, it allows paying customers like myself to continue playing a game we love.  I think the OP's idea is a really good one.

[Devilsbane]

<p><b>Fae wing crunchies +5 Agi, yummy!</b></p><p>Anyway, anyone playing a Fae/Arasai have illusions turned off? There are dozens of spells and items that can be used to alleviate your discomfort. </p>

[Skywarrior]

<cite>Josgar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Remove wings= please no</p><p>Having a way for the animations on them to be turned off= yes</p><p>Chopping off a fae's wings would be like chopping off legs of other races.</p></blockquote><p>And for me to choose not to see the wings (or my wife to so choose actually) would affect your gameplay how, exactly?  I'm really curious.  I understand that you would never choose to do so on your computer due to the reason you stated.  I'm curious to know why you believe your gameplay would be affected by how something looks on someone else's screen.</p><p>Edit:  After I posted this I got to thinking that it's possible some folks are thinking about the Hide Helmet, Hide Cloak, and even the Hide Illusions commands, where the setting actually does affect what others are seeing.  I would be against that as well.  If an option were to be implemented to hide the wings it should be client-specific, something set in the Game Options and not in the Persona Options (which affect how others see you).</p>

[Winter]

<span style="font-size: small; color: #ff66ff; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">In EoF beta, when the illusionist personae didn't have wings yet, they looked ridiculous. The wings are tooootally a necessary part of the Fae. As I said before though, I could see turning the animation off for people who prefer that.</span>

[feldon30]

I can't believe some of the reasons people are coming up with why this shouldn't be a client-side option. I think it could appear as a Performance option "Still Wings". I have never experienced motion sickness in a game and that Frostfell Maze was something else! White on white is just rough!! Some of the mean and shallow arguments posited in this thread could just as easily be put forward on other features already in the game. Some rhetoricals (which are COUNTER to my actual beliefs, just making a point): <b> Why do you want to hide your cowl/headcovering?</b> If you really care to see your character's face and/or hair, don't wear a head covering. You can make up the plusses with other equipment. <b> Why should we have a Changing Room?</b> If people want to see how some piece of armor, etc. looks, they can buy it, or research the web. If you don't have the money, raid more you lazy slob. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <b> Did we REALLY need money to automatically change from copper to silver, silver to gold, gold to plat?</b> Isn't that actually very UNrealistic? As a Ranger, I have never gotten anywhere near my weight carrying limit. So what if mages can't carry a sack of flour without being <i>burdened</i>? If people didn't like having to change their money all the time, they can just play Scout and Fighter classes. We can go on and on with rhetorical reasons why something shouldn't be added. I turn off <b>flora </b>(grass, flowers, bushes) not for performance but because it makes it easier to see gathering nodes (sandwashed rock, ?'s, !'s, etc.). While turning off particle effects was put in there for performance reasons, I'm sure some people turn it off because it's distracting in battle. If there are enough requests for the fae/arasai wing "freeze", just do a straight up-and-down vote on whether it should be added or not as a client side feature. I can't believe people are downright attacking people for a feature request. It's not a "nanny state" thing.

[Faerless]

<p>My thanks to everyone who has considered this thread and posted constructive input.  It surely proves that this is an issue worth looking into.  </p><p>It is my sincere hope that the developers will review this and take action for the benefit of those affected.</p><p> Faerless</p>

[ke'la]

If the Wing Animation is causing problems with people's eyes I would support giving them a /stopanimation command, this could also stop the other caractor animations too, such as the Carpet bobing/animation, the Warg Bobbing, the Cape Fluttering and so forth, I say it should stop all of these is because if the Fae wings are causeing a problem these other things are probibly are also causeing the same problem just to a lesser and less notacable extent. I would NOT support a /hidewing client side or not, as the Fae/Arasai wings are the difinitive caractoristic of the caractor. Giving people the ablity to remove the wings completely would be like giving people the ablity to make Gnomes Tall or to turn DE's skin White.

[Fasci]

I completely agree with you Allena. Having the ability to "remove" or hide our wings is grotesque. But surely there should be a way for us to stop moving them. Personally, I would love to be able to walk on the ground. We do have feet. We could then fold our wings as we do when we sit. I do often have a problem seeing past my wings when using 3rd person view, especially up close. This particularly becomes an issue in tight spaces, dungeons, especially, when there is a wall or other obstacle close behind my character. I often use 1st person view in those situations. Alternately, there are several illusion options available. Enchanters, naturally, have it easier here; but some of the collections offer an illusion, don't they? I forget what they're called. And many folks have shapeshifting abilities or totems. I sometimes play my fae dirge with his orc illusion turned on. That not only hides my wings, but also makes me taller. For those of you non-fae characters who complain about our wings, try playing a fae caster who can't see past the group's butts! <img src="/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I inevitable get stuck behind some ogre or kerra and have to dodge around trying to see my target!  (All part of playing the class!)

[Rast]

Guy De Alsace wrote: <blockquote><p>I wonder if this is similar to the vertigo people feel when being in precipitous places in games. First time I felt it was at the top of the lookout tower in Zek. Passes after a while but its interesting how the brain works at sorting out what you see and what actually is real. </p><p>With me, its repeated regular sounds such as clocks ticking that makes me want to go into a berserk frenzy. Thankfully theres a volume control so its not game breaking! I have digital clocks only in my house.</p><p>Oh and windchimes....nnnnnngghhhh GAAAHH!!!</p></blockquote><p> Possible Guy.  I get that same feeling on places like the chain to Hoo'loh, the drop down to do the SoD quests in New Tunaria (water tight case), one of the steps in the Call to Ro series that I helped a friend with (where you had to climb a huge pillar in PoF past the giant fields) but I normally chaulk that upto my own personal fear of heights.  I find in these situations, it will take me far longer to traverse the area than others, but it is doable by me.  I know of another who sufferes from similiar experiences as well.</p><p>The Arasai/Fae wings don't bother me.  I do have issues with the frogloks hopping however, but I can pretty much ignore them <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I've had similiar impacts from things like the frostfell maze thing this past christmas, I literally was ill (as was my wife) after doing it (and yes, it was the only time we did it)</p>

[SageGaspar]

Can't see why not to do it. I know frogloks have a walking animation too, can speed that up a little bit and let people toggle that if they're having problems. It might look silly, but then again so does my froglok when he's got a bunch of speed decreasing effects stacked on him and hops backwards slooooooowly <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Chay]

Jalathan@Lucan DLere wrote:<blockquote><p>I've had similiar impacts from things like the frostfell maze thing this past christmas, I literally was ill (as was my wife) after doing it (and yes, it was the only time we did it)</p></blockquote> OMG! I had that too. It was the only time I've ever felt ill while playing this game. I was breaking out in a cold sweat and felt like I was going to puke or parts of me were going to fall off. I have no idea why that zone did that to me. I blamed it on them making me play a gnome (one of the races I absolutely H A T E).

[Off]

I hate how that happened to me, and to be honest, (I forgot to add this in my last post) the Neriak tradeskil area does that to me from time to time also...which is bothersome cause I really love that area). It's due to our eyes seeing movement but our bodies aren't moving...this throws our equilibrium off balance and makes us sick.  I would have to pay for medication like Dramamine or motion sickness bracelets just to play games I love and have played for years.  The meds are not expensive, but it's the principle of the matter IMHO. 

[Amethest]

my my seems to me a couple people need to chill out and get some self control. Why would you feel you have to be so hateful to someone that is expressing a real and legitimate problem for some people. I mean telling a person not to have children sheesh . tacky is as tacky does and I havent seen a flame that ugly since I left wow.

[transcendant]

<p>I would say, rather than turn off the wings entirely, make it an option that stops their motion. The wings of a fae/arasai are part of their total appearance just like their hair is, plus it would be silly for little faes to be floating around unsupported.</p><p> And of course, I posted without reading the entire thread, so my thoughts are totally redundant and add absolutely nothing to the discussion.<img src="/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Faerless]

<p>Arasai/Fae wing movement speed is already variable to a small degree.  For example, an Arasai/Fae that is standing still flaps its wings at a much slower speed than an Arasai/Fae that is in battle.</p><p>I believe putting a slider to adjust wing flapping speed into Options/Display/Animation ( or another appropriete location in setup ) would go a long way toward resolving this issue for those affected by allowing them to set the speed to a more comfortable level.</p><p>Faerless</p>

[Thay]

<p>You guys should move to a game that does not have fae-folk if they make you sick to your stomach or causes you other, health-related issues.</p><p>This is not a flame directed to you...but a serious suggestion to go elsewhere so that your health does not suffer more than it currently does.</p><p>If you are a hard core player that plays for several hours a day its already bad enough on your health; so to make it worse (by continuing to play when the fae make you nauseous) you're doing yourself a disservice and could be causing irreperable harm to your body you won't even notice until later on.</p><p>Have you tried dramamine? Changing lighting conditions in the room you play? maybe changing (higher) refresh rates (if you play on a CRT)</p>

[Galithdor]

Well if its about the in-combat and moement of the wings while moving i guess they could slow down the wings..lol

[CrypticFirefly]

<p>While I personally think adding a "stop animations" performance setting would be the best solution to the problem, it would not bother me if the solution was to give a client-side "hide wing" option.  </p><p>But I agree that this is probably a problem that SOE should address.  I myself don't have an issue with it, but I can easily believe that many do.  In fact, I'd be surprised if they don't do something about it, seizure warning notwithstanding, because it obviously is a serious health issue (and potentially could cost them players).</p>

[Faerless]

<p>At Fan Faire I brought a pair of 'strap-on' wings and wore / flapped them while chatting with people.  I tried several different flap speeds and tilts.  Several different people informed me just how annoying it was to have wings flapping in their faces while trying to hold a serious conversation.  One guy even threatened to rip them off and stuff them into a rather uncomfortable sounding location on my body.  </p><p>Does this prove my point?  I don't know.  It was an interesting test though.</p><p>Faerless</p>

[Josgar]

<p>I dont think it causes nauseia like it does in game... it probabbly just annoyed the heck out of people <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Im all for a stop wing animation... but it would have to be off by default... and they should not make a remove wing toggle... that just defeats the purpose of playing a fae no?</p>

[Faerless]

<p>Perhaps another solution would be a client-side opacity slider to make them variably transparant.  This might also help with the issue of wings hindering visibility in close quarters.</p><p>Faerless</p>

[Wy]

The only time I have problems with fae wings is when I fall off a cliff and then my girlfriend touches down oh so nimbly next to me, and then I have exp debt and she doesn't and our %s are all messed up again. ._.

[Sapphirius]

<p>I play a Fae and two Arasai. If I could change races, my human warden would so be a Fae. Why? Because I have got to be the world's clumsiest player. I've died more from falling damage than anything else. Their wings do not bother me at all, but that does not mean that they don't bother other people.</p><p>I spend most of my online time on my monk (a wood elf) and my warden (a human), and I've got to say that, even as a 70 monk/70 warden, it is impossible to stay away from Fae. You get into a group that picks up a 6th after 30 minutes of blasting channels for a back-up healer (or whatever), and it happens to be a Fae. What do you do? Do you tell that person, "I'm sorry, but you can join us in Unrest because you have wings."? Do you just leave the group and say, "I'm sorry, but I can't play with you because you have wings."? Then your group is blasting for another 30 mintues to either replace that Fae or replace you.</p><p>Not grouping with Fae is just not much of an option. They're darned near impossible to avoid, and in fact, I have been asked to <i><b>leave</b></i> groups in the past while on my Arasai inquisitor because of this problem.</p><p>I would fully support a /stopwings command to stop the animation of Fae/Arasai wings. I wouldn't support a /hidewing command though. Yes, it's not really hurting <i>my</i> game play to have the wings hidden, but it is hurting an integral part of my character's identity on your screen. a /hidewing would be tantamount to me having a /hidehead option for everyone else that would removed their hair, eye color, and individual faces.</p><p>So, ummmm, devs. Why don't we have a /stopwings command yet? The Fae have been around for some time, so this problem isn't exactly new.</p>

[Lenanu]

Some of you seem to be missing a point here. Not playing the fairy races isn't going to solve the problem for alot of people as they are often GROUPED with the fairies as well. It doesn't matter if they play as one or grouped with one the problem of the wings will remain the same.

[Laiyo]

I find it discomforting as well.  Another troublesome thing, I find, is just how much screen is obscured by the wings. I would like to see a client side wing fade or similar option that could be based on camera position. I know the camera can be pulled back further, etc, but that strikes me as an inelegant solution, but certainly a workable one. First person view I find to be somewhat cramped as it limits what I can see to the sides and immediately behind the character, also I do enjoy seeing the casting effects and such. I do agree that any wing removal, transparency, or animation adjustments should be kept client side. I hope this is something that is looked into, they're fun characters.

[Kimage]

<cite>DanaDark wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>[I cannot control my vocabulary]...</p><p>If Fae bother you.. DONT PLAY A FAE... DUH >< My God ><</p><p>Is this what the human species has been brought down to?! Utter stupidity?!</p><p>UGH... just UGHHHH... I swear... ><</p></blockquote><p>   While this makes perfect since for those who are playing the race and having problems this doesn't apply to some people. I for one dont play a fae - but you may group with fae during a raid, a pug ( though I really stay away from those ) or whatever.</p><p>Thanks for being insensitive jerkoff.</p><p>  Solution: can we have an option to hide wings - like we have the option for everything to be in soga or everything to be in default models, etc. ( yes I know you can change which models for which races ). That would allow those who love thier "flies" to keep thier wings and as one said keep thier identity while allowing other players who are expiernecing problems to avoid that. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> ( PS please excuse my spelling .... I know it sucks )</p>

[Frobus]

I find this thread interesting.  It seems odd that someone playing a 3d video game would suddenly get motion sickness just from flapping wings.  That doesn't make much sense.  Scientifically, I wonder what's going on. At any rate, I don't have this problem, but I'm interested in what SOE chooses to do with it.

[Faerless]

<p>I agree.  It'll be very intersting to see what, if any, action the developers take to address this issue.  </p><p>I'd 'imagine' nothing'll be done until at least the skeletal revamp goes live.</p><p>Still, it'd be very nice if a Dev would post a thought on this thread to let us know.  Even if it's just to say that there's not a Hotdogs chance at a Snausage Festival that anything's going to be done.</p><p>Keeping hope alive, </p><p>Faerless</p>

[Katsi]

I find it interesting to note how often those who have never experienced game triggered motion sensitivity, and know no one who has, arbitrarily decide that it must not exist.I first suffered the sensations while trying to play Doom.  (Yes, the original.)  I couldn't play for more than 5 minutes without getting a headache and nausea.  If I tried to push it to an hour, I'd be spending the next few hours wishing I hadn't, curled up in bed with the lights out and a cold pack, or curled around the toilet praying I wouldn't need to move again.Since then, I will not play first person view games.  Some are better than others, but almost all trigger the sensation eventually.  In addition, in this game, the Frostfell maze triggered it, and so does riding my carpet, unless I'm zoomed almost all the way out.However, I am very lucky that the winged ones do not, as I like my Fae and my Arasai very much.Just because it doesn't happen to you, does not mean that it doesn't happen, and that it is not an issue that should concern game designers.  It does happen, and it does concern game designers.Please stop hassling these people who do have this serious issue.  It is not fair that they should be punished, not just by their inability to play a game they enjoy, but also by the harassment of those who don't believe that their condition exists.  Disbelief won't make it go away and teasing won't cure it.The ideas that people have come up with in this thread, for example, to stop the wing motion, are possibilities that may work.  In addition, the respect that is being shown to those who do not have the problem by making it affect only the player and not everyone else is thoughtful of their part.If you cannot support them, please, at least try and come up with workable solutions on your own.  Hurtful and insulting comments only aggravate the situation.- Katsi

[Birn]

I agree that there should be an option to stop the wing animation. There are some other things in the game that could case motion sickness aswell like riding a warg or a horse but there is a solution that might help alot. If you could have the camera at a fixed height behind the char (would still follow the char normally) instead of just letting the camera bounce up and down with youe char it would reduce the amount of stuff that moves in the screen alot and possibly help those who suffer from motion sickness.

[Argul]

<cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>Removing flapping of wings would kill the immersion for alot of players. If the race makes you sick to the point where you're throwing up and experiencing weird stuff like that, then I'm sorry to say it but you really shouldn't be playing it.</blockquote>You said it a lot nicer then I would have, but thats true.

[q149]

<p>It's amazing how stupid and whiney people are</p>

[Wargod1968]

<p>Patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I move my arm like this."</p><p>Doctor: "Then don't move your arm like that."</p>

[mellowknees72]

<cite>Magik01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #996666;">I am playing an arasai now and don't have a problem at all with motion sickness and fae/arasai wings, either on my own character or grouped with several others of them.  (Now the carpet mount..bleh..that's another story.)   I think an option to turn off the 'movement' off the wings would be fine, but not an option to get rid of the wings entirely.  Then you still have the actual race there and not some miniature wingless elf-like-thingy floating about looking ridiculous.  That would be about as odd as turning off other random body parts of the races.</span> </blockquote><p>Oooh!  I want to be able to /hide heads!</p><p>Okay, seriously though, yes, this definitely should be a client-side option.  Although I very rarely get motion sick, I know several people who suffer from severe motion sickness and/or simulation sickness, and it's not something that the person can control.  It severely impacts life activities for these people.</p><p>Having a way to toggle off wing movement for the client would be immensely helpful for these folks, and I think it's a great idea.  Why people are angry about the suggestion is completely beyond me, since a CLIENT-SIDE option would not affect everyone - only the people who chose to use it.</p>

[Tiernu]

<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: georgia,palatino;"><i><b>     Funny as this may seem to some, I, too, have had this problem. However, not only with fae but the froglok   hopping and with heights inside lavastorm  on the red crystal pathways high over the lava, I simply can't   look down. I think this is silly but so help me it does affect me in a queasy kinda way. My guild leader   chuckled at first when I kept hesitating to follow them all onto those pathways.  He  asked what was up,  I said,, OMG I will fall!!  OK, go ahead and laugh, but I really feel as if I will fall from a vast height.  Now   to SOE , I say this,, EQ2 is awesome in its realism, I simply Love that. I would not change it.  I have  learned to grit my teeth and walk those pathways, altho, I do it as seldom as possible. As for the froglok,  the hopping only bothered me when I made one, and used 3rd person view, I ,no longer, have a froglok.  As for the Fae, the wee folk need their lil wings, so make a /hide wingmovement option please.   Another thing I simply can't do is ride the griffon in first person,, OMG,, Talk about fall off!!  LOL, sorry  some of my lil quirks.  But I love EQ2 and am addicted so I will continue to play. </b></i></span></span><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Faerless]

<p>My thanks again to all those who have supported this thread and have offered constructive feedback.  Hopefully the devs can/will find a means of addressing this in the near future.</p><p>/bows gracelessly</p><p>Faerless</p>

[Kimage]

<p>I also have to commend SOE on thier reality of the game. Things like th Sol Eye bridges scare me also - talk about vertigo - or lookin over the fall in TT... /shudder.... </p><p>though they have the movement of snakes down so well on the Naga that I can't even fight them or look at them. I am soo incrediably terrified of snakes that when we do Courts or Shimmering Citadel that I go first person and look down so I dont have to look at them at all... DT - water snakes - yea um look at the wall... </p><p>Wargs give me motion sickness - so after awhile I couldn't get used to it- I sold it and went back to my horse. Besides - all that drool spraying back in my face was GROSS and I had to jump in the harbor to take a bath every time I could get home. I twas also costing me a fortune in dry cleaning bills. /sigh</p><p>I have found ways to deal with my issues - but yea the fae are an issue that really needs to be taken a look at. </p>

[Magic]

<p>I don't suffer from this wing problem but would strongly suggest that SOE put this feature into the game.  Like the SOGA models where we can select to see them or not, the game should have the client side option to turn off wing movement, hide wings, or replace them with a wingless model.  Those of us who enjoy looking at colorful wings, such as myself, will be able to see them while those who don't want to see them would have the option to not see them.</p><p>I suspect that the problem is not the wing movement itself but rather with their reflectivity as with the opalescent wings.  The light that shines off of them acts like a flashing light which bothers some people.  Maybe if the wings could be made dull like flat paint, it might help.</p><p>But then again, when I play around a crowd of winged PC's and NPC's, I find that their wings block my view of what's beyond them.  I would make use of an option to completely hide all Fae/Arasai wings in such cases.</p><p>So to be clear, I vote that SOE should add something to help with the wing issue.</p>

[Journee]

<p>LOL After 7 pages of posting I am not sure that SoE even needs any more /feedback from people on this issue but I will add my 2 coppers worth as well.  Sometimes I have the problem (ie. when in kelethin/Neriak at the bank where there are numerous fae/arasai) when it becomes a problem I log to another character or stop playing for a bit and just leave the computer for a hour or 2 but I am in favor of the /wing_hault etc.. where it would simply make the wings fold up as when the fae/arasai are kneeling.  People still get to see what they look like and it doesn't effect you unless you turn it on.</p><p>Ok 2 copper down now <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>~journee</p>

[Heavens Angelgrl]

<p>I dislike fae wings in a raid situation.  A person sees movement out of the corner of their eye it is reaction to look at it.  That is annoying when I'm already haveing to look at diffrent things, like raid window, tank health, and looking to cure things on group members.  I don't need that kind of distraction.</p><p>A really nice solution to this would be to fix the illusions.  Nothing like a big [Removed for Content] troll with fae wings bigger then I am blocking my entire view.  How is that "realistic"?  </p>

[Youngone31]

The only problem I have with the fae/arasai wings is that in narrow places, they block my view. There should be a /wing_fold command were the wings would fold as if sitting. The fae/arasai should not be hovering in this state. A bird can not fly with its wings folded so a fae/arasai should not either. Second, please fix the illusion for fae/arasai. I was so dissapointed when I used my mask from Nek castle only to change into a DE with wings...

[Faerless]

<p>Agreed, the issue where the wings are still visible when using an illusion can get a bit troublesome as well.  </p><p>As an Arasai Coercer I have the option of wearing a Troll illusion (for example) but sadly it does nothing to help with the wing issue as I simply become a huge winged troll.  : /</p><p>I'd still like to hear 'some' form of reply from SOE development as to whether they are looking at this issue at all.  Yes?  No?  Maybe?  Anything?</p><p>Faerless </p>

[Banshee505]

I'm sure a slow down of wing speed....say by about about one flap every 2.5 seconds would solve this for most people. So a speed bar? Just my thoughts. Your REAL problem is me chasing you around for cuddles! Your so cute!

[DngrMou]

<cite>Kalyria@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>They have a valid point there . Those things are everywhere and that movement can cause some discomfort . client sided hiding them sure wouldnt hurt .</blockquote><p>The problem comes in when you have devs spending their time coding in these client side changes.  Fae, and Arasai wing flapping today, then the way gnolls run....it looks really goofy, and makes my head hurt.  So that's next...then there's the silly frogs in town.  So on, and so on, and so on.  </p><p>If this, or any other game is making someone physically ill, they should not be playing it.  </p><p>And here are some tips that might help:</p><p>Eliminate some of the other flashy/sparkly eye candy in your settings.</p><p>Eliminate florescent lighting sources near your computer, (go natural, and incandescent).</p><p>Place lights so that they illuminate your computer from behind you.</p><p>Get a cheap pair of light polarized sunglasses, and wear them when you play.</p><p>If you require prescription glasses, then wear them when you play.</p><p>Adjust ambient sound volume lower, background music higher.</p><p>Focus your attention away from fae/arasai, to other parts of the screen.  Turn your char, and adjust your zoom settings to place those toons outside your field of view.</p>

[Roux]

<blockquote><cite>Kalyria@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite> <p>If this, or any other game is making someone physically ill, they should not be playing it. </p></blockquote><p><b>Amen!!</b>   </p><p>I stand firm against any more concessions being given to the small yet vocal minority who are always complaining about something or other. They already caused the demise of the horse rearing animation, the howling of the wolf in illusion form and the roar of the Tiger in illusion form. Two very cool little touches that the devs put in to add to the fun and fluff. Now they want to remove the wing animation from the fae?! BAH! Most all video games coming out these days have this, or a similar warning packaged with them....</p><p><i>EPILEPSY WARNING</i></p><p align="left"><i>Please read before using this video game. Some people are susceptible to epileptic seizuresor loss of consciousness when exposed to certain flashing lights or light patterns in everyday life. Such people may have a seizure while watching certain monitor images or playing certain video games. This may happen even if the person has no medical history of epilepsy or has never had any epileptic seizures. If you or anyone in your family has ever had symptoms related to epilepsy (seizures or loss of consciousness) when exposed to flashing lights, consult your doctor prior to playing. We advise you should the stop playing if you experience the following symptoms:dizziness, blurred vision, eye or muscle twitches, loss of consciousness, disorientation, any involuntary movement or convulsion,while playing a video game, IMMEDIATELY discontinue use and consult your doctor.</i></p><p>I'm sorry but if a slight flutter of wings on the Fae makes you physically ill, stop playing immediately. It may save your health, and it will definitely ensure my happiness!</p>

[Cica]

<p>/agree woth Roux11</p><p>not sure what eq2 is rated, but pretty sure its not rated E (for everyone) is it ?</p><p>and you can get vampire illusion from bloodlines = no wings </p>

[Faerless]

<p>I think some of you may have misplaced the point here.  It's not necessarily the self-winged toons that are bothering folks.  Now, if you could cast Vampire Illusion over all Fae/Arasai in your group or over a crowd, maybe that might help.  But likely not.  People tend to get edgy when you transform them into corpse-smelling blood-drinkers when they're not looking.  </p><p>Faerless</p>

[Sapphirius]

<p>OK, just to reiterate, like the above poster. These problems are not just occuring to people who play fae/arasai. They're also occuring to people who play non-fairy races but wind up grouped with them.. As I said earlier in this thread, <i>my</i> arasai inquisitor has been asked to leave groups because her wings were making <i>another group member</i> ill. I'm guilded right now with a dwarf fury who can't play fae/arasai because it makes her ill. To spend time with this guild mate, I log on a different <i>non-fairy</i> character.</p><p>Someone mentioned earlier having a<b> /wing fold</b> command that would cause the wings to fold behind the fae/arasai as if they were sitting. I love this idea. This would solve three problems with one fix, and it wouldn't have to be a client-side fix at all.</p><p><b>1)</b> It stops wing movement for people who cannot group with fae/arasai without becoming ill.</p><p><b>2)</b> It makes the wings less obtrusive for when you're raiding, in tight quarters, or in racial illusions. (Why don't racial illusions hide those blasted wings?!) What's more, is that it would do this without hurting fae/arasai identities, as I still feel that a /hide wing command would be like me having a /hide head command for all the other races.</p><p><b>3)</b> <i>Hopefully</i>, it will also stop our flight so that fae/arasai scouts and brawlers can actually train up their safe fall <i>without</i> having to buy a mount or lock themselves in combat.</p>

[Youngone31]

<p>I did a /feedback in game to ask for a /wingfold command and ask friends and guild members to do the same. Alot of thought it was a good idea because that say that wings block people views and can be distracting. Best thing to do is to ask your friends and guild to /feedback in game. </p><p>For those people making rude comments about people having problems with fae/arasai wings, you need to learn how to read better. There are peole that do not play these races that have problems with them. Some of these people been have been playing this game since day one and did not have any problems until these races were introduced into the game. Since you think you are in the position to tell people to quit the game over this, you should refund these people thier money. </p>

[DngrMou]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK, just to reiterate, like the above poster. These problems are not just occuring to people who play fae/arasai. They're also occuring to people who play non-fairy races but wind up grouped with them.. As I said earlier in this thread, <i>my</i> arasai inquisitor has been asked to leave groups because her wings were making <i>another group member</i> ill. I'm guilded right now with a dwarf fury who can't play fae/arasai because it makes her ill. To spend time with this guild mate, I log on a different <i>non-fairy</i> character.</p><p>Someone mentioned earlier having a<b> /wing fold</b> command that would cause the wings to fold behind the fae/arasai as if they were sitting. I love this idea. This would solve three problems with one fix, and it wouldn't have to be a client-side fix at all.</p><p><b>1)</b> It stops wing movement for people who cannot group with fae/arasai without becoming ill.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff;">If elements of this game are making people ill, they should not be playing at all.  Providing cosmetic 'nerfs' for people who do, will only lead to demands of more visual changes to accomodate what I suspect is a tiny minority in the game.</span></p><p><b>2)</b> It makes the wings less obtrusive for when you're raiding, in tight quarters, or in racial illusions. (Why don't racial illusions hide those blasted wings?!) What's more, is that it would do this without hurting fae/arasai identities, as I still feel that a /hide wing command would be like me having a /hide head command for all the other races.</p><p><span style="color: #0033ff;">In a raid, fae/arasai are the most difficult players to see...they're tiny, and lost in the pack of other players, sparkly spell effects, and names.  </span></p><p><b>3)</b> <i>Hopefully</i>, it will also stop our flight so that fae/arasai scouts and brawlers can actually train up their safe fall <i>without</i> having to buy a mount or lock themselves in combat.</p></blockquote>

[tendo2]

<p>Valid points to have a CLIENT side toggle fix to halt wing movements.  I agree with them and to the folk who disagree with it I have no idea why such a change could or would affect you aside from having another thing to click on the Options menu.  It seems like a No-brainer.  That being said though resources are being flooded into the RoK and the new unified skeleton model so I don't see an immediate fix to this.  It may go in with the skeleton model.</p><p> Short races such as Fae also have the illusion of seeming faster run speed as well due to the proximity of the ground to your eye level which can be unsettling as well.  Tall races seem lumbering but in a race side by side they run at equal speeds. </p><p>While I myself don't suffer from these effect I do sympathize with those that do.  Its a simple solution and it affects only oneself if you choose it.</p><p>I haven't really felt much love for the Fae.  They took over my beloved Kelethin after all and sure the Darkies feel the same way over Neriak.  Some of the other stuff that was mentioned that have been tooken out for whatever reason still bugs me though.   I kinda miss the skele cackle on my necro.  Wolf and tiger noises etc.  Those did affect everyone because they were server side fixes.  The having the option to stop wing animation as a client side option is perfectly fine by me.  Even if it can free up a few more ounces of computer processing to not animate the wings would be welcome I would think.  It boggles the mind to think one can be against it aside from folks throwing their glands around gloating I don't have this problem so therefore I'm superior and that makes my opinion is superior. Its just Ego tripping.          </p>

[DngrMou]

<cite>tendo2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It boggles the mind to think one can be against it aside from folks throwing their glands around gloating I don't have this problem so therefore I'm superior and that makes my opinion is superior. Its just Ego tripping.          </p></blockquote><p>It boggles my mind that you can make these assumptions at all, as I have'nt seen any signs of gloating in this thread.  I don't suppose you can mitigate your own feelings of superiority long enough to quote a few relevant passages in support of this 'gloating'?</p><p>I've made my points, (none of which were glandular in origin, or gloating in nature).</p><p>If this, or ANY game is making someone ill, they should not be playing it.</p><p>There are simple ways to reduce many symptoms now....I've posted some, and googling "headache, nausea, video game" will turn up more.</p><p>Unless the number of people with these symptoms accounts for a significant percentage of players, then no, it's not worth the time, and effort to code changes.  </p>

[Sapphirius]

<cite>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite> <blockquote>In a raid, fae/arasai are the most difficult players to see...they're tiny, and lost in the pack of other players, sparkly spell effects, and names.</blockquote><p>Ya know, that blue text on these black backgrounds is horrible for my old eyes to try to read. It gives me a headache trying to read it, and I have to highlight the text to see what those words say. Since this element places a strain on me, should I be forced to leave the forums? That is the logic you're using after all.</p><p>Every single Fae/Arasai<i><b> I</b></i> know that raids does<i> not</i> do so in their natural form. They use racial illusions from petrified eyes. Unfortunately, that high elf illusion your Fae swashbuckler is using also makes her wings so large that no one can see around her. Sure, she could raid as an orc, or if she <i>has </i>Bloodlines and has<i> completed</i> the collection, as a vampire... but who really wants to run around looking like an ugly green orc for 6 hours? Who wants to be<i> forced</i> to buy an adventure pack so they can wear a "pretty" illusion that <i>doesn't</i> have wings?</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">How is having a <b>/wing fold</b> command a "cosmetic <i>nerf</i>"? </span>Nothing has been nerfed... <i>at all</i>. Rather, a choice would be given (server side, not client side) to fold your wings or not. Just yesterday, you were all for choices in a different thread. Why are you against choices now?</p><p>A <b>/wing fold</b> command would solve the problem of gargantuan wings on a raid. It would also solve the problem of people who are playing in dungeons in 3rd person and can't see anything through their wings because they've backed up against a wall. It would also solve the problem of skilling up safefall without having to shell out multiple plats for a horse (if they made folding wings have your fae/arasai actually walk instead of hover). It would do all this <i>without </i>hurting fae/arasai identities because I truly do feel that asking for a /hide wing command is tantamount to me asking for a /hide head option... even if it's client side.</p><p>The added bonus on top of all this? The icing on the cake? The cherry on your sundae? All those people (and it's <i>way</i> more common than you seem to think it is) that have <i>no</i> problems whatsoever in this game <i>until </i>they group with a fae or arasai won't have to ask that fae or arasai to leave the group or have to leave the group themselves.</p><p>How on God's green earth... or in EQ2's case... How on the gods' green Norrath can you <i>possibly</i> be opposed to something that would offer so many <i>positive</i> benefits for the fae/arasai races?</p>

[tendo2]

<cite>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>tendo2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It boggles the mind to think one can be against it aside from folks throwing their glands around gloating I don't have this problem so therefore I'm superior and that makes my opinion is superior. Its just Ego tripping.          </p></blockquote><p>It boggles my mind that you can make these assumptions at all, as I have'nt seen any signs of gloating in this thread.  I don't suppose you can mitigate your own feelings of superiority long enough to quote a few relevant passages in support of this 'gloating'?</p><p>I've made my points, (none of which were glandular in origin, or gloating in nature).</p><p>If this, or ANY game is making someone ill, they should not be playing it.</p><p>There are simple ways to reduce many symptoms now....I've posted some, and googling "headache, nausea, video game" will turn up more.</p><p>Unless the number of people with these symptoms accounts for a significant percentage of players, then no, it's not worth the time, and effort to code changes.  </p></blockquote><p>Bah it ate my post so I guess i'll write the short version</p><p>Danadark came across very strong early in the post.  Gloat - 2. A feeling of great, often malicious, pleasure or self-satisfaction.  Maybe not the best word to describe it but was very colorful with his remarks as if he enjoyed it.  I don't get where my superiority part comes in.</p><p>I agree though if this game makes you ill don't play it.  but is it unreasonable to want request a change that can allow you to play it?</p><p>I applaud that you offered advice on where to look to for help.</p><p>And I'll admit there could be a performance issue with the checking process which might warrant it an option you select and relog the game to apply and switch out a program that defaultly skips the wing animation (not something you can toggle on the fly) otherwise the game would have to check to see if that option is selected everytime any fae is required to flap it wings.  Which can if given enough Faes be alot of unnecessary file access.  It might not be in SOEs best interest to invest people into fixing this problem because it hard to even guage how many it affects.  There could be folks out there who think its normal they got a headache from staring at a screen.  SOE isn't exactly obliged to address this either.  They and every other video game company posts at least something about you should discontinue use if you experience this this or this.  Its more a legal protection for them because the game or any game can potentially give people those symptoms.   How would you determine whats more important an issue the prevents a handful of people from playing the game or an issue thats far less critical but affects certain classes.  If I may a little humor... I think i'd like to see this fixed before they come around and nerf my class <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </p><p>Seriously though I can't fault them for asking for it. It just seems a raw deal you've been fine with it for 2+ years and they add something and now theres a problem.     </p>

[DngrMou]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite> <blockquote>In a raid, fae/arasai are the most difficult players to see...they're tiny, and lost in the pack of other players, sparkly spell effects, and names.</blockquote><p>Ya know, that blue text on these black backgrounds is horrible for my old eyes to try to read. It gives me a headache trying to read it, and I have to highlight the text to see what those words say. Since this element places a strain on me, should I be forced to leave the forums? That is the logic you're using after all.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Here's red, I hope it's better than the blue.  First, that is not my point...my point is that if elements within this game make one ill, they should not be playing...for the obvious reasons.  It's a health issue, not a "I don't care about you" issue.</span></p><p>Every single Fae/Arasai<i><b> I</b></i> know that raids does<i> not</i> do so in their natural form. They use racial illusions from petrified eyes. Unfortunately, that high elf illusion your Fae swashbuckler is using also makes her wings so large that no one can see around her. Sure, she could raid as an orc, or if she <i>has </i>Bloodlines and has<i> completed</i> the collection, as a vampire... but who really wants to run around looking like an ugly green orc for 6 hours? Who wants to be<i> forced</i> to buy an adventure pack so they can wear a "pretty" illusion that <i>doesn't</i> have wings?</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">No one forced these players to buy EoF, or forced them to roll a Fae or Arsai.  So I'm not sure I quite see your point.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I can only speak from personal experience on this....but I see fae in raids all the time that remain...fae.  The only way I can target them is by searching for them in the raid window, and clicking their name, (or use a macro...which is so much easier).  Since anyone can whip out a targeting macro in about two seconds, I don't understand why raids tolerate giant ogre-ish fae, with bed sheet sized wings at all.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">How is having a <b>/wing fold</b> command a "cosmetic <i>nerf</i>"? </span>Nothing has been nerfed... <i>at all</i>. Rather, a choice would be given (server side, not client side) to fold your wings or not. Just yesterday, you were all for choices in a different thread. Why are you against choices now?</p><p>A <b>/wing fold</b> command would solve the problem of gargantuan wings on a raid. It would also solve the problem of people who are playing in dungeons in 3rd person and can't see anything through their wings because they've backed up against a wall. It would also solve the problem of skilling up safefall without having to shell out multiple plats for a horse (if they made folding wings have your fae/arasai actually walk instead of hover). It would do all this <i>without </i>hurting fae/arasai identities because I truly do feel that asking for a /hide wing command is tantamount to me asking for a /hide head option... even if it's client side.</p><p>The added bonus on top of all this? The icing on the cake? The cherry on your sundae? All those people (and it's <i>way</i> more common than you seem to think it is) that have <i>no</i> problems whatsoever in this game <i>until </i>they group with a fae or arasai won't have to ask that fae or arasai to leave the group or have to leave the group themselves.</p><p>How on God's green earth... or in EQ2's case... How on the gods' green Norrath can you <i>possibly</i> be opposed to something that would offer so many <i>positive</i> benefits for the fae/arasai races?</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">The only reason I'd oppose coding changes like this would be that in my opinion, it addresses the desires of only a tiny portion of the player base....dev time would be better spent adding things for everyone.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Yes, I'm fully aware that just because I have'nt witnessed this phenomenon, does'nt mean it does'nt exist.  The proposed change itself is neither positive, or negative, imo.</span></p></blockquote>

[Sapphirius]

Yeah. Hehehe. The red is way better. Thanks. You can blame my age for not being able to read the blue text.

[Vanilla1]

<p>Hi</p><p>I must admit, that I am a big fan of choice, so I would never come here and say you should not have the choice to turn the wings off in options...and if you manage to get that option, then all good.... however... I do have to say that if you are gonna turn off the wings, does seem a little pointless playing a winged race...</p><p>To me this would be like when you see someone choose to play a pet class, then for some reason decide to play that class sans pet... but hey I guess each to their own<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Ghostwolf</p>

[Argul]

<p>If you can't handle looking at moving wings, should you really be playing this game?</p><p>That, and if you don't want to look at them, don't play a fae/arasai. Sorry if thats harsh, but sheesh.</p>

[Sapphirius]

<p>Hey, Argul, hun? Love ya, but the problem isn't when they play fae/arasai. The problem is when they <i>group</i> with them too. I don't have a problem witht he wing animation, but far be it from me to tell someone they can't play the game because they do. I <i>do</i> have a problem with hiding wings. I'd much rather they be folded.</p>

[Ivellious]

<p>I'm completly against the "if it makes you sick, don't play" arguement, because thats not fair to the people that just want to have fun and one little object makes it not fun, and fixing said object woulnd't hurt teh game whatso ever.  </p><p>Meclizine 12.5mg is a good thing to take pre-fix if you have naseua.  it's an anti-naseua medication that is mainly used for motion sickness.  Headache take either APAP 500 mg (Tylenol) or IB Profen (Advil) those are the generics and work 100% the same as the name brand and hella cheaper.  All of these you can find at any pharmacy, they are over the counter.</p><p>Saying to a person that, "you shouldn't play then" is being really anti-sympothetic.  These people just want to have fun, play a cute/evil little ferry or group with one or raid.  Hell some people have been playing since release and didn't have a problem till EoF came out, why shoudl they quit because of a cosmetic fix, it makes no sense and is extremly unfair.   The fix wouldn't take the devs attention away from any bug fixes.  IF I'm not mistaken I beleive EQ2 has a cosmetic dev department, that does nothing but fixes and change appearance things.  animations, appearance tab, armor looks, bugs with certain combinations of effects and etc...  So that would not keep devs that work of class balancing, combat, zones and etc. from doing their job.</p>

[Avanya]

<p>Wow, I don't feel so bad after reading this thread.  I have always had problems with video games and getting sick to my stomach.  In one player games also.  Mostly it's when I'm moving in narrow corridors or twisting and turning a lot.  I experience severe motion sickness in RL too.  I really thought it was only me who would get sick looking at a video game! lol</p><p>Now having said all that, I play a fae warden and it doesn't bother me.  However, given the fact that I have experienced what you all are feeling, I can certainly commiserate with you.  I think it would be great if they could put a command in to stop the wing motion if that would help you all.</p><p>I do get headaches sometimes.  I never thought to attribute it to the wing motion but it's certainly possible.  I do NOT play in first person.  That is sure to get me sick no matter which of my characters I'm playing (the rest of my other chars are wood elves).  I always play in third person.</p><p>Very interesting post.  I'm glad you brought it up, especially since I didn't realize other people had this problem. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Wilde_Night]

Meclizine can be found over the counter in both forms of Dramamine.  I am an avid sufferer of motion sickness (stupid wacky inner ear) and light triggered miraine headaches.  The Fae/Arasai have never given me problems, but that is not saying that others are not affected by it.

[Themaginator]

<cite>Romero@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Fine, a more potent response.</p><p>To the OP, if you are unable to focus correctly with just a mild stimulus such as flapping wings on your screen, I would suggest first and foremost you NEVER breed, for if wings prevent your ability to focus, heavan forbid you raise a child, would require more focus than you could ever possibly render in your entire life.</p><p>To the princess whom gets physically ill when seeing a winged creature... try a MUD if graphics are preventing you from playing the game. As well, technically I might suggest you get some motion sickness meds since it most likely involves the same mechanics. </p><p>This is the very first complaint I've heard about Fae. Heck, this entire thread is so utterly ridiculous that I view it as a joke.</p><p>As for Mummel, seriously, I stand by everything I say.</p></blockquote>insensitive [Removed for Content] its a real medical issue you know...

[DngrMou]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah. Hehehe. The red is way better. Thanks. You can blame my age for not being able to read the blue text.</blockquote>You're welcome.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I've only been trying to avoid red, because it often times gives more an antagonistic, or combative 'feeling' than other colors.  And I'm really trying hard not to come off as a loud mouth jerk......with mixed success, I should add.

[DngrMou]

<cite>Ivellious wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm completly against the "if it makes you sick, don't play" arguement, because thats not fair to the people that just want to have fun and one little object makes it not fun, and fixing said object woulnd't hurt teh game whatso ever.  </p><p>Meclizine 12.5mg is a good thing to take pre-fix if you have naseua.  it's an anti-naseua medication that is mainly used for motion sickness.  Headache take either APAP 500 mg (Tylenol) or IB Profen (Advil) those are the generics and work 100% the same as the name brand and hella cheaper.  All of these you can find at any pharmacy, they are over the counter.</p><p>Saying to a person that, "you shouldn't play then" is being really anti-sympothetic.  These people just want to have fun, play a cute/evil little ferry or group with one or raid.  Hell some people have been playing since release and didn't have a problem till EoF came out, why shoudl they quit because of a cosmetic fix, it makes no sense and is extremly unfair.   The fix wouldn't take the devs attention away from any bug fixes.  IF I'm not mistaken I beleive EQ2 has a cosmetic dev department, that does nothing but fixes and change appearance things.  animations, appearance tab, armor looks, bugs with certain combinations of effects and etc...  So that would not keep devs that work of class balancing, combat, zones and etc. from doing their job.</p></blockquote><p>1.  I do sympathize with those who can't play whichever games they prefer.</p><p>2.  The "don't play" advice, for those made ill, is good advice....there are conditions that can be far more serious than a headache.  If someone is experiencing symptoms that worry them, they should get checked out by a doctor before playing further.  </p>

[Sapphirius]

<cite>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>2.  The "don't play" advice, for those made ill, is good advice....there are conditions that can be far more serious than a headache.  If someone is experiencing symptoms that worry them, they should get checked out by a doctor before playing further.  </p></blockquote>And unless you're standing over their shoulders and paying their medical bills, you don't know that they haven't seen a doctor about it.

[DngrMou]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>2.  The "don't play" advice, for those made ill, is good advice....there are conditions that can be far more serious than a headache.  If someone is experiencing symptoms that worry them, they should get checked out by a doctor before playing further.  </p></blockquote>And unless you're standing over their shoulders and paying their medical bills, you don't know that they haven't seen a doctor about it.</blockquote>Without knowing, it's still sound advice.

[Vinh]

I have no problems with wings causing any physical sickness. It's the posts with bold , hot pink, blue, green or multi-colored text that hurts my eyes <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Mychel]

<p>wait... I thought this was a joke thread.. </p><p>Playing and getting sick by an element of the game, then trying to force the game to change rather than not play is the same thing as getting on a rollercoaster and telling them to do it at half speed since it might make you sick.. </p><p>Thats trying to change the world to suit yourself at everyones expense.. </p><p>I don't have this problem, but if I did I would find something else to play.. </p>

[Katsi]

<cite>Xandare wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>wait... I thought this was a joke thread.. </p><p>Playing and getting sick by an element of the game, then trying to force the game to change rather than not play is the same thing as getting on a rollercoaster and telling them to do it at half speed since it might make you sick.. </p><p>Thats trying to change the world to suit yourself at everyones expense.. </p><p>I don't have this problem, but if I did I would find something else to play.. </p></blockquote>In this case a better example would be...You get on a regular roller coaster and ride half way through.  Then the designers change it to an extreme coaster with drops and twists beyond your ability to withstand.   You then request that they add supports and cushions that you have the option to use, and are not forced upon any other rider, unless they wish to use them as well, so that you might finish the ride.The gameplay wasn't a problem in the beginning.  Only after the winged folk were added did this issue become a problem.People who have this problem have been playing the game with out it being an issue for a long time.  Long enough for them to become attached to the game and to wish to continue playing it.Therefore they are asking the designers to implement a way for them to be able to continue playing it without affecting other people in the game.....Now that makes me want to know....  Why are people getting upset about a change that would not affect them (unless they wanted it to)?- Katsi

[Katsi]

(Separate post for separate thought)I have noticed that there have been three options put forth as solutions.      Client side remove wings    Client side freeze wingsand    Individual fold wingsI agree that removing wings would not be acceptable to many.  The characters were created with wings to be seen with wings.  Removing them, even client side only, gets too close to the whole soga/original issue where people want to be seen as they are created, not as others want to see them.Individual fold wings isn't going to stop other winged ones from affecting the player.  I would hate to see the <strike>discussions</strike>, arguments that would occur when people make the request in pickup groups for other people to fold their wings.However freezing the wings, completely stopping their movement on the client side only, seems completely acceptable to me.  You still see the wings that I carefully colored and matched (or accented) my hair to, but as they no longer move, they should no longer trigger the motion sickness issue.*shrug* That's all just my opinion though.  It and $2.50 might get you a cup of coffee.- Katsi

[Youngone31]

<cite>Xandare wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>wait... I thought this was a joke thread.. </p><p>Playing and getting sick by an element of the game, then trying to force the game to change rather than not play is the same thing as getting on a rollercoaster and telling them to do it at half speed since it might make you sick.. </p><p>Thats trying to change the world to suit yourself at everyones expense.. </p><p>I don't have this problem, but if I did I would find something else to play.. </p></blockquote><p>I am glad you found this thread funny.</p><p>Most people that post on these forums do not think, do not think of others, do not read everything, or have a reading problem.</p><p>This is a very serious issue for some people. Just because you do not have this problem does not mean it does not exist. Its get old reading insensitive comments from people telling others to quit the game. </p><p>If people are getting ill playing the wing race then they need to change races. </p><p>If people that been playing the game since it has started and do not play a wing race but become ill being around them, then something needs to be changed. Quite a few people have posted good suggestions from client side options to a wing fold command. If you can not make a positive suggestion, then maybe you consider NOT posting on these boards.</p><p>Personally i am asking for the wing fold option becuase it would stop the movement of the wings a make it easier for people too see around them. The movement does not bother me but when I am with other wing ones in a confined area, its almost impossible to see around them. I feel sorry for people playing short races trying to see around my avatar.</p>

[Spor]

<cite>Xandare wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>wait... I thought this was a joke thread.. </p><p>Playing and getting sick by an element of the game, then trying to force the game to change rather than not play is the same thing as getting on a rollercoaster and telling them to do it at half speed since it might make you sick.. </p><p>Thats trying to change the world to suit yourself at everyones expense.. </p><p>I don't have this problem, but if I did I would find something else to play.. </p></blockquote><p>Considering that they are asking for a client side option,(with the exception of the fold wings) it wouldnt be at anyones expense, if you would like to keep the wing flutter there than you can.  And it is alot different than a rollercoaster.  Running a rollercoaster at half speed would cause it to not finish, since the momentum of the cars would not be enough to cary them over some of the hills, thus everyone gets stuck, changing the client side options would mean only those who wish not to see the wing animations would be affected.  No, I dont get sick from it, but I took the time to read and I can see where people are coming from.  </p>

[Sapphirius]

<nods> The roller coaster isn't a good analogy. What happened here are people who got in the line for the kiddy rollercoaster at the fair (the one that only goes up and down) and wound up on the Zipper halfway through the ride (the one that spins you in a big loop and then dangles you upside down for a while). The people in this thread are mostly ones who have <i>never</i> had a problem with EQ2 or anything in it <i>until the fae arrived</i>. Telling them after 2 to 3 years of loyal subscribing to SOE that they should have to leave the game because of a new element that wasn't there when the game began is just... wrong.

[SnoesieQ]

<p>I hestitate to post in this thread... My personal impression of SOE is that their take on it is of the jerks in this thread. They not only don't listen - they don't care.</p><p>This issue happened in SWG with the NGE - they changed the camera angle by offsetting the camera, something which caused many people to experience motion sickness. Despite similar threads to this one on the forum, they didn't do anything about it until about 9 months later. At which point, I still don't think they changed it on account of the people who were unable to play with the offset camera, but because most people simply disliked it. And that was a very simple change - there were even illegal mods to correct the issue for those of us who couldn't play with the offset camera. The wing movement - or whatever causes it, seems to be a little less clear on what exactly would need adjusting to correct the problems people have.</p><p>Its interesting to see how many people think that unless "a lot" of people experience a problem, it shouldn't be looked at. I don't have any problems with fae, or indeed most of the arasai. But some of the color/wingpattern combinations of the arasai cause me the problem people have described in the thread. I do have issues with motion sickness, IRL and in some games, but have never had any type of issue with epilepsi. The point is - I didn't even know it was related to the arasai. I couldn't understand why I had problems, since it seemed to happen randomly. I don't have any problems with the wings or the floating movement of my fae character.</p><p>So, how many people only have some problems some of the time, without even understanding that a certain design element is causing it? They, like me at the time, might think perhaps they are tired, have played too long, need a break etc, and come back and feel better. SWG also introduced something they refered to as "snappy movement" at a certain point, which caused people a variety of problems. Some people did get motion sick from it, as it changed how the avatar moved. But a large number of people got other types of problems - splitting head aches, feeling more tired than usual after what they considered a short play session etc. After some very long threads, the graphics/rendering/whatever was adjusted a few times, until at least people (for the most part) stopped having physical problems with the change.</p><p>The folding wing "animation" already exist in game, to add this as a client side option seems to me to be the most fair, if its the motion which is causing it. My personal guess is that its a combination of color/pattern and movement - and the way the screen renders it. You don't have to suffer an epileptic fit to feel discomfort under a stroboscop light for instance. Our eyes are not made for a screen, our brain just makes its best to interpret what we see as something which makes sense to us. Its easy to forget that all we really see are pixels in different colors.</p>