With DW changes...would you tank with DW?

[Wilin]

<p>Given the upcoming changes to weapons and DW, would you tank with DW? Of course, if you're DWing, you won't need buckler spec. So really, how many folks might find themselves tanking with DW? (ex. Vilucidae's and Ascendant)</p><p>The current analysis seems to point to new DW doing equal overall dps as old DW. The weapon delay is slowed by 31% so everyone is pointing to slow, hard hitting weapon in primary(same as now), and fast weapon with good proc in offhand.</p><p>Is the loss of buckler dps/hate compensated by adding that second weapon with a second proc? Is the loss of buckler protection compensated by adding another AA line?(wis,agi, or int)</p><p>Discuss, and have fun. I know that a DWing tank might get laughed out of the raid, so would you show up shieldless and take the heat for it? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Snorm]

<p>Survivability wise, this would be exactly like tanking with a 2 hander is now. Does anyone do that? (I'm not being sarcastic here, just want to know if it can work <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</p><p>Snorm -- 70 Guard</p>

[Wilin]

<p>True. I do know of one tank on my server that tanks with a 2H for 99% of mobs.</p>

[Belce]

For procs it is usally only taken from hits with the primary hand weapon when DW.  You can equip something on the othe rhand that procs, but it will only trigger with primary hand hits. 

[ToiletBomb]

<cite>Snorm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Survivability wise, this would be exactly like tanking with a 2 hander is now. Does anyone do that? (I'm not being sarcastic here, just want to know if it can work <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</p><p>Snorm -- 70 Guard</p></blockquote>Lol snorm yea I've done it on trash.  Usually when I'm in OT position with my 2hander out and I rip.  Usually in Ostance too.  Just toss up command and keep going at it.  I wouldn't want to do it for multiple mobs on me etc but for one mob (especially debuffed) no big deal at all.  But then again a warlock can tank a debuffed mob. My 2hander does have some parry on it.  Not huge but something I guess.  I'm wondering if they are going to consider buffing up avoidance while using a 2hander or dual wield.  Some kind of parry return or something like that would be kinda interesting. I know I'll play with dual wielding when they release it just to see what kind of numbers we can put out.  But moreso probably when I'm in an OT capacity as I have a hard time putting my shield down when I'm tanking.

[Domiuk]

<p>I was DW till double attack with buckler became available.</p><p>I recognised very early on that it was loads easier to hold agro with 2 DW weapons than the standard sword and board most were going with and if it becomes viable again ill go back to it.</p>

[TuinalOfTheNexus]

<cite>Wilin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>True. I do know of one tank on my server that tanks with a 2H for 99% of mobs.</p></blockquote><p> This is more because 2H sucks for DPS, than because of any defensive penalty.</p><p>It doesn't take a genius to see an 85 ratio grim brimstone hammer with 96% double attack, is going to be ridiculously better than a 100 ratio (insert any 2H here) with 10% double attack. There are only two 2H weapons in the game that do decent DPS, the Vraksakin club, and an Avatar drop. And even that lags behind a decent buckler setup.</p><p>It would be a lot more logical if DPS went 2H > DW > Buckler > Tower, but it's simply not the case. I'd pull one of my dozen or so fabled 2-handers in a heartbeat if I thought it was going to deal decent damage. But they're simply a novelty.</p>

[re1master]

<cite>TuinalOfTheNexus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wilin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>True. I do know of one tank on my server that tanks with a 2H for 99% of mobs.</p></blockquote><p> This is more because 2H sucks for DPS, than because of any defensive penalty.</p><p>It doesn't take a genius to see an 85 ratio grim brimstone hammer with 96% double attack, is going to be ridiculously better than a 100 ratio (insert any 2H here) with 10% double attack. There are only two 2H weapons in the game that do decent DPS, the Vraksakin club, and an Avatar drop. And even that lags behind a decent buckler setup.</p><p>It would be a lot more logical if DPS went 2H > DW > Buckler > Tower, but it's simply not the case. I'd pull one of my dozen or so fabled 2-handers in a heartbeat if I thought it was going to deal decent damage. But they're simply a novelty.</p></blockquote><p>Well, I think it should be DW > 2H > Buckler > Tower because: -Dualwield requires having two weapons, for getting two weapons of the same relative quality as a single 2H weapon you should get slightly better damage -DW/2H requires dropping the shield, taking a huge hit to avoidance. -Buckler should be slightly higher (where it is now is fine) attack than Tower, simply because of the hit you take to defense. </p>

[Yourbestfriend]

Screw DW <img src="http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m107/Jman1610/EQ2_000062.jpg" border="0"> Btw my avoidance is actually even lower then that because I drop any agi gear I can/defense/parry gear and I go in offensive on contested mayong. That's with defensive stance btw.

[Yourbestfriend]

This is a better view of the axe <img src="http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m107/Jman1610/EQ2_000063.jpg" border="0">

[Yourbestfriend]

I think in the next LU I will be ditching the buckler line, tried it last night on Chel'drak and I parsed over 2k on it with this axe and I had to get off and kill the fighter add which took away from my dps (was only fighter on the raid) I have a feeling if I didn't do that I could of broke 2.2k. That's staying buckler specced so I don't know I might stick with this 2hander -  I need more testing on it. I will probably end up tanking aoe fights with it then single targets with buckler until the next LU - then I will probably switch to STR/AGI Lines - I haven't decided yet - need more testing

[re1master]

Jaraxx@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>I think in the next LU I will be ditching the buckler line, tried it last night on Chel'drak and I parsed over 2k on it with this axe and I had to get off and kill the fighter add which took away from my dps (was only fighter on the raid) I have a feeling if I didn't do that I could of broke 2.2k. That's staying buckler specced so I don't know I might stick with this 2hander -  I need more testing on it. I will probably end up tanking aoe fights with it then single targets with buckler until the next LU - then I will probably switch to STR/AGI Lines - I haven't decided yet - need more testing </blockquote><p> If you could, could you let me know what you decide to spec?  I'm interested as I've been buckler spec since I was able to get AA's, I'm 45 now, and plan on being 70 in three months or so.  Right now I'm: 1 into the first AA STA: 5-4-8-5-1 STR: 4-4-4-2 IIRC (At work right now, I can't check, but that's about what it is) I'm currently working my way down the STR line, I'm going to get crit and hate maxed, I'm in no hurry to get the final bit in this AA line.</p>

[premiere]

<p>Supposedly the Devs of EQ2 take input on certain things in game from other people ie Item design.  A friend of mine has significant input in the new Epic weapons and wupposedly the Devs in all the geniousity have decided to make the guardian epic 2 1h the primary having a hate proc the secondary carrying an effect where if both worn it will add 30% parry or something silly like that to make up for the loss in block.  I was intrigued by this idea but would  have rather heard that using both would add say 20% block.  I dont know but all I know is SOE direction is clearly heading toward DW tanking in the next expansion.  </p><p>All I have to say is bleh!</p>

[Wilin]

That's a fairly significant change of philosophy for the guardian. It harks back to the EQ1 warrior epic of DW lightsabers, err swords. Maybe the EoF AAs pointed that way as well where crusaders get block bonuses. Warriors tank with parry, brawlers tank with deflection, crusaders tank with shields? Who knows but interesting, none the less.

[Snorm]

<p>I just have to say it.... That axe OWNS! </p><p>Grats <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Snorm -- 70 Guard</p>

[Snorm]

<p>Purely cosmetic, but I'd prefer to be up there with a two hander over DW. I've always just felt silly dual weilding as a guard.</p><p>Snorm -- 70 Guard</p>