Are we best Raid healers?

[Nagbok]

Are we best Raid healers? or are like shamans better?

[StevusX]

<p>kind of pointless query imo i'm afraid.</p><p>we cant solo heal a raid any more than any other healer..</p><p>TOGETHER with other healers we make a great team, each bringing different forms of healing, buffs, etc to keep the tank and others alive</p><p>so i dont believe there is a "best" raid healer - its a moot question.</p>

[Kizee]

<cite>Nagbok wrote:</cite><blockquote>Are we best Raid healers? or are like shamans better? </blockquote><p> Depends what you mean by best.</p><p>If topping the parse means the best for you then yeah shamans are "better" since wards get used up first.</p>

[zaun2]

In the MT group, a lot of times, its a templar/warden, defiler/warden, or templar/defiler/warden.  Its all situational. Templars have lotto heals, which makes them better for the MT group, while inquisitors have better DPS buffs for the OT/DPS groups.  Defilers blow mana and health for their wards, making them cost less over time than mystics.  And warden heals are marginally better than furies, although this can be debated. Group-wise, its less of an issue.  For monks or leather tanks, defilers/mystics are great because of spike damage absorption.  For plate tanks that get constant incoming mob DPS, templars and wardens rock here.

[Bjerde]

Templars are strong healers for sure. Can a Shaman beat you on a parse, yep. But, not all shamans will beat you either. One of our biggest ways to heal is the heal procs, get those on the mob fast. If it is a fight where everyone is close together, chances are you will beat the parse because of Involuntary's AOE heal proc. Mark does some sick healing too and don't forget your Aegis ward on magic/mental/divine mobs. That can heal for a lot too. Reactives sit behind wards so get wasted sometimes. Heal parses are not the end-all of who can heal best, it is too situational. You need all the healing classes raiding. Templar and Defiler buff the best so they are in the MT grp, but Wardens can top parses pretty easy too, esp on long fights. Raids need you, do your job and don't worry about who tops the heal parse...this isn't dps. (as long as you are near the top =P)

[Veedublya]

Odinn@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote> Reactives sit behind wards so get wasted sometimes. Heal parses are not the end-all of who can heal best, it is too situational. You need all the healing classes raiding. Templar and Defiler buff the best so they are in the MT grp, but Wardens can top parses pretty easy too, esp on long fights. Raids need you, do your job and don't worry about who tops the heal parse...this isn't dps. (as long as you are near the top =P) </blockquote><p> Couldnt have said it any better... Every parse is situational, shaman and clerics will own the parse on mobs that do single target damage, druids will own the parses against AE damage mobs. </p><p>Personally (as a raid leader/healer class leader) I could care less who tops the parse as long as we live and the mob dies. And i know raid guilds dont show heal parses like they do for DPS parses due to the fact that healers become obssesed with parsing high on heals and they forget to debuff and cure, which is more important.</p>

[Backpayne]

<p>For brawlers or scouts (yes even scouts can tank if needed) templars have one of the best heal spells in the game for them, reverence.  At master reverence returns 240% of power consumed to their health.</p><p>As for raids.... every healer is required on a raid for one reason or another.  Wards blocking the initial burst dps from the mobs before debuffs making them an asset to any raid.  Druids have fast spot heals and great group cures.  Templars have great burst heals (although the timers are a bit slow) for when the wards drop.  You can't really gauge a healer based on their position in a parse as healing parses are quite fickle.  Position in relationship to where the person parsing is can alter the numbers for one.  Secondly, if two healers fire off a heal at the same time and the first maxes the tank out on health the second person receives zero credit on a parser.  Although they used their power to cast and the heal did indeed hit the tank, it was a wasted effort according to the parse.</p><p>Any healer can be the best in a raid just by doing their part.  Debuff the mob, heal the tank, keep the group cured and healed.  If the raid lives and the target dies....what does it matter which class or person healed the most?</p>

[Larcain]

It isn't who is the "best parser". That doesn't mean much. Templars are heal machines, but I can only think of a few fights where we should be top parse for a raid. Blood colossus, the rumbler...some others. It just important for me to do my job. If the tank falls, then I start thinking about numbers.

[Enoa]

<p>Every healers has a role.   The templar is maybe better suited for the MT group for the HP buffs/ group reactive/ stoneskin.  In the OT group they do okay.  With the biggest single target heal in the game they can still heal the MT from out of group pretty well.  </p><p>If the shaman in the MT group is competent the templar (or basically any healing class) shouldn't be able to touch them on the parse against trash.  On named mobs especially ones with AOE's you can catch up and occasionally beat the shaman on the heal parse.</p><p> Enoa  </p>

[Kizee]

<cite>cyric22 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Every healers has a role.   The templar is maybe better suited for the MT group for the HP buffs/ group reactive/ stoneskin.  In the OT group they do okay.  With the biggest single target heal in the game they can still heal the MT from out of group pretty well.  </p><p>If the shaman in the MT group is competent the templar (or basically any healing class) shouldn't be able to touch them on the parse against trash.  On named mobs especially ones with AOE's you can catch up and occasionally beat the shaman on the heal parse.</p><p> Enoa  </p></blockquote>Pretty sure that shamans single target heal is bigger than ours since they use alittle of thier health to cast it.

[Dragonreal]

<cite>Kizee wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>cyric22 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Every healers has a role.   The templar is maybe better suited for the MT group for the HP buffs/ group reactive/ stoneskin.  In the OT group they do okay.  With the biggest single target heal in the game they can still heal the MT from out of group pretty well.  </p><p>If the shaman in the MT group is competent the templar (or basically any healing class) shouldn't be able to touch them on the parse against trash.  On named mobs especially ones with AOE's you can catch up and occasionally beat the shaman on the heal parse.</p><p> Enoa  </p></blockquote>Pretty sure that shamans single target heal is bigger than ours since they use alittle of thier health to cast it. </blockquote> Templar/defiler have equal size directs (with the same cast/recast timers); defilers are more power efficient (same cost as the warden heals), but spend hp as well. Mystics have smaller heals than that, but have lesser power costs (mystics DON'T have an hp cost on their directs though), small, temporary max hp buff, and recast faster than temp/defiler (cast time is the same though).

[Uilamin]

For directs Templar's and Defiler's base heal does the most, however, with convert up an Inquisitor will be healing for more per heal.

[JKhanh24]

<cite>Nagbok wrote:</cite><blockquote>Are we best Raid healers?or are like shamans better?</blockquote>Simply put, the best healers are the onces who know their class disguisting well and can keep there tank up and not burn throw mana like their a mage. Players make the character, not the other way around =)

[PRALL]

<cite>Veedublya wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>Personally (as a raid leader/healer class leader) I could care less who tops the parse as long as we live and the mob dies. And i know raid guilds dont show heal parses like they do for DPS parses due to the fact that healers become obssesed with parsing high on heals and they forget to debuff and cure, which is more important.</p></blockquote><p>[Removed for Content]! Someone that understands! /cheer</p><p>I care less about the numbers and parsing than I do about my overall rep. If I have people adding me to their friend list because I did a good job then mission accomplished. When I get picked by a group of 70 levels when I'm 65 and there is a 70 healer LFG... priceless.</p><p>And yes, cures are very much important. </p>

[Tash 1]

<p>The never ending discussion about heal parsers.I never can understand the argument: "I refuse to use information I have since others can misunderstand it."</p><p>But I agree if you don't know how to use results from a parser. Just don't use it.If you know how to analyze and work with parser: Use every piece of information that you can get.</p><p>And about being picked at level 65 before a level 70.a) Friends tend to take friends before unknown nothing special for templars.b) Some times ppl need a special class as if the already had a shaman.c) Many times ppl have lock out from zones making them unavailable.d) Some ppl ends up on ignore lists due to different reasons</p><p>Truth is that a level 65 templar have not all the heal upgrade that a level 70 have. And therefore the level 70 in theory have much bigger chance to keep the grp alive. If it is hard content mobs I fear the group do a poor choice choosing a level 65 before a level 70. If not the level 70 is a total useless E-bay toon.</p><p>/Tash</p>

[Caethre]

<cite>Sutures@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>When I get picked by a group of 70 levels when I'm 65 and there is a 70 healer LFG... priceless.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">OOC.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">I have absolutely no comment on raids, but I have a comment to make on this quoted sentence since it is talking about groups. It is a huge tangent, but perhaps humourous? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">In addition to the good reasons Tash listed, there is another very good reason why you might be selected for a group as a level 65 Templar, over a very capable level 70 Templar who would do a much better job than you would or could at that level.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">I note that you are on Antonia Bayle, like me. This is the roleplay server, and has a fair population of roleplayers, some of whom are very serious about their roleplaying. My Templar for a start, will not group with evil classes or evil races (and a lot of people know that). So, if I were LFG (not often that I am, but it happens occasionally), many groups don't waste their time sending me an invite if they have a Teir`Dal in group, or an SK, or whatever. I am not the only roleplayer around either, not by a long measure. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">*chuckle*</span></p>

[PRALL]

<cite>Tash 123 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The never ending discussion about heal parsers.I never can understand the argument: "I refuse to use information I have since others can misunderstand it."</p><p>But I agree if you don't know how to use results from a parser. Just don't use it.If you know how to analyze and work with parser: Use every piece of information that you can get.</p><p>And about being picked at level 65 before a level 70.a) Friends tend to take friends before unknown nothing special for templars.b) Some times ppl need a special class as if the already had a shaman.c) Many times ppl have lock out from zones making them unavailable.d) Some ppl ends up on ignore lists due to different reasons</p><p>Truth is that a level 65 templar have not all the heal upgrade that a level 70 have. And therefore the level 70 in theory have much bigger chance to keep the grp alive. If it is hard content mobs I fear the group do a poor choice choosing a level 65 before a level 70. If not the level 70 is a total useless E-bay toon.</p><p>/Tash</p></blockquote><p>While I agree with your parser comments, I find that you misunderstand the intent behind my comments. I am well aware of the multiple reasons that I might be chosen for a group. Of all the reasons that you listed above, the first one usually applies. I make friends easily in game, and keeping your group alive is a great way to help that. Also, having a reputation of healing in situations that people thought you were too low for is a great boost to your reputation. This is what I do. I may not be taking down Naggy with one group, but I make believers of the people I meet by concentrating on ALL the tools I have as a templar.</p><p>As far as not having all the heal upgrades goes... no I may not have the upgraded spell, but I do have the Master I or Master II of all my heals, and the appropriate AA's to boost heal crits. I use them well and have proven that I am no E-bay. Many groups tell me that I do better than a 70 they grouped with. Not all of them are E-Bays. Some are just not using all the tools. So, a 65 that learned to play the class will always be better than a 70 that got walked though everything punching his single target reactive and nothing else.</p><p>For the poster that roleplays... I commend your RP dedication. I wish there were a RP required server, because RP preferred means that about 10% of the populace RP's about 10% of the time IMO. That said, if I get chosen for a group because I'm an Exocist of Marr based in Qeynos, I will proudly protect the forces of good against the evils I'm sworn to vanquish!</p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<cite>Veedublya wrote:</cite><blockquote>Odinn@Blackburrow wrote:<blockquote>Reactives sit behind wards so get wasted sometimes. Heal parses are not the end-all of who can heal best, it is too situational. You need all the healing classes raiding. Templar and Defiler buff the best so they are in the MT grp, but Wardens can top parses pretty easy too, esp on long fights. Raids need you, do your job and don't worry about who tops the heal parse...this isn't dps. (as long as you are near the top =P)</blockquote><p>Couldnt have said it any better... Every parse is situational, shaman and clerics will own the parse on mobs that do single target damage, druids will own the parses against AE damage mobs. </p><p>Personally (as a raid leader/healer class leader) I could care less who tops the parse as long as we live and the mob dies. And i know raid guilds dont show heal parses like they do for DPS parses due to the fact that healers become obssesed with parsing high on heals and they forget to debuff and cure, which is more important.</p></blockquote><p>These two posts are really well said.   I have raiding Defiler, Templar and Warden, so see the fight from all perspectives.   When healing as a Defiler, I know I'm kind of anchoring the healing group.  As a Templar, I know I'm keeping the MT's health up, and as Warden, I'm kind of the 'glue' that holds the Defiler's foundation and the Templar's 'bricks' in place.    When Defiler Wards have been breached and are refreshing, and Templar heals are still on cooldown, Warden's smaller but much faster heals sort of hold the line till the bigger ones can be put back in place.</p><p>Heal parsers only make people obsessed about numbers, IMO - not focusing on working as a team.     The view that any one healer is 'the best'...I think..still holds over from the old EQ1 where a cleric was 'THE' healer to be.    "Best" in this game is more 'how well do I know my class' and 'how well and in what combinations do I use the tools I have'.  Bottom line in any MMO and as a raider is:  "How well do I communicate and work with others".</p><p>There is no technical reason to chose a level 65 healer of any kind over a level 70 one - it would be friends/guild/RP, the 'known' over the 'unknown'.    At level 70, even a mediocre healer has the option to be better geared with more mitigation, health and power than a 65 one - AA's and spells notwithstanding, IMO.</p>

[PRALL]

<cite>Arielle Nightshade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Heal parsers only make people obsessed about numbers, IMO - not focusing on working as a team.     The view that any one healer is 'the best'...I think..still holds over from the old EQ1 where a cleric was 'THE' healer to be.    "Best" in this game is more 'how well do I know my class' and 'how well and in what combinations do I use the tools I have'.  Bottom line in any MMO and as a raider is:  "How well do I communicate and work with others".</p><p>There is no technical reason to chose a level 65 healer of any kind over a level 70 one - it would be friends/guild/RP, the 'known' over the 'unknown'.    At level 70, even a mediocre healer has the option to be better geared with more mitigation, health and power than a 65 one - AA's and spells notwithstanding, IMO.</p></blockquote><p>On the parser part of your post I am in complete agreement. (THe EQ1 comment even gave me a chuckle. All I could think was CHEAL, CHEAL CHEAL.... LOL!) The phrase I like to use in regards to knowing the class is "It's the player that makes the difference." Someone mentioned an E-bay toon. While that is an extreme example, it does prove the point. A 65 that has played his toon and learned his class will be better in a group than an e-bay or even someone that has been lead around Norrath by the hand for 70 levels never punching more than two hotbuttons. Part of being a templar is knowing how to adjust your technique according to the situation at hand.</p><p> Again, it feels like I'm being chastised for my 65 picked over 70 comment. Never was it my intent to start a debate about technical reasoning. I'm not debuking any of the reasons that you all seem to impress in your posts. In reality, you are reinforcing my position though. I get a group with higher level players (for whatever the reason.) They think it will be tough with a 65 healer, but at least they have one. I keep everyone alive, and was on cures and debuffs. We win the instance or beat the boss mob. Some of the group puts me on friend list. The next night, same thing. After a while, I'm on a lot of lists and even being picked over higher level healers. So, you are right that I will lack gear and spell upgrades compared to a level 70. Never disputed that. However, if what I have is enough to get the mission accomplished (due to knowing my class and improvising when needed) then what does it matter?</p>