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Agaxiq

06-14-2007, 04:14 PM

I leveled up my Fury to level 70 and betrayed to Warden because we had a lot of furies in our guild and zero active level 70 wardens. Plus I figured it would be cool. The classes have many similarities, but obviously a lot of differences. I already had 100 AA's, and most of my gear was INT/WIS based. I've gone down the melee line in both trees because while I'll raid quite a bit, I still two-box with a bruiser. (STR/STA lines in KoS, Wardens line in EoF +75% melee crit etc) I've replaced a few INT-specific pieces with as much STR as I could find, but man, its tough finding leather/jewelry with STR/WIS. All usable spells are AD3 with Greater Chloroplast and Tranquility at M1. I took Regenerative Spores as my M2 choice. I didn't even purchase ad3's for the spells I took as CA equivalents since you don't apparently need them (please tell me if it would help though, heck I dont even have App I's scribed since when you betray you only get App I's up to 50) Some questions on specific spells while raiding: <ul><li>Heirophantic Advent - our level 50/70 class defining spell. This looks much more usable than Urchin. When/how often do you guys use it raiding?</li><li>Sandstorm/Exhaltation of the Untamed - do you use these every chance you get?</li><li>Protecting Grove - is this a hate-free spell? Can it trigger social agro?</li><li>Aspect of the Hawk - who do you cast it on other than yourself? I would assume another priest in the group, if not one there, a caster, for the power bonus. </li></ul>I've noticed the biggest difference between our main HoT's (Greater Chloroplast/Greater Bloodflow) is that the furies HoT is a fixed amount. I noticed on a few fights that Greater Chloroplast was healing less than the minimum value, by a considerable amount, and I was certainly NOT at full health. Anyone else ever see that? I never saw that on my fury. Thanks! agressiv

Veedublya

06-14-2007, 05:17 PM

Personally im not down the melee line but from what I understand upgrading your CA's does no good at all, may wanna confirm that with someone down that line.Heirophantic Advent - I use this spell when the tank could use a little push in power, or if i dont feel like doing anything for 36 secs <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'm rarely in the MT in raids but when I am i use it somewhat often, mostly when the tank is getting beat on, because unlike Cholorplast this spell does stack with furies Bloodflow so its nice when 2 HoT's are needed.Sandstorm - nice for grouping and camped somewhere, for raids its pretty much useless cuz it only gives maybe 1-2% avoidence and not worth being rooted or the power loss for that little of avoidenceProtecting Grove - Not hate free but very slim chance you would pull aggro from it, even off a body pull.Aspect of the Hawk - Situational, if your in the MT/OT grp then i put on another healer, if im in a dps grp I throw it on a melee dps for the extra resists for him/her sicne they will be in AoE range. When grouped i throw it on the tank.Sometimes Chloroplast does heal below the minimum amount it says, dont know why tho, hehe

Agaxiq

06-14-2007, 05:30 PM

Thanks for the feedback. I never used Urchin much except in group situations where we're fighting a lot of trash hitting the MT, and only when we had a second healer - so it was very situational. But I forgot it can't be used raid-wide. That should change on both sides, If we're in a group of casters or people otherwise not getting hit by AOE's it would be really nice to use Advent on the MT if we're not in the MT group - and even then it would be situational. agressiv

Taea

06-14-2007, 05:40 PM

Agaxiq@Unrest wrote: <blockquote>I leveled up my Fury to level 70 and betrayed to Warden because we had a lot of furies in our guild -Same, several months ago I already had 100 AA's, and most of my gear was INT/WIS based. I've gone down the melee line in both trees because while I'll raid quite a bit, I still two-box with a bruiser. (STR/STA lines in KoS, Wardens line in EoF +75% melee crit etc) I've replaced a few INT-specific pieces with as much STR as I could find, but man, its tough finding leather/jewelry with STR/WIS. -I agree that STR line is pretty useful solo and grouped. I've got a mix of STR, STA and INT lines for my choices. I decided that the end abilities for any of those are not terribly useful, and I'm better off getting the benefits from all 3 lines. All usable spells are AD3 with Greater Chloroplast and Tranquility at M1. I took Regenerative Spores as my M2 choice. I didn't even purchase ad3's for the spells I took as CA equivalents since you don't apparently need them -Nope, you want them. The CA's are less dmg, and longer recast, and short ranged. You'll have situations where you want the higher dmg, further range that the spells give you. Some questions on specific spells while raiding: <ul><li>Heirophantic Advent - Depends on your group. If you're in the MT group, there's a chance your power regen is maxed anyway. The heal amount is meh - I'd rather just cast a couple HoTs. </li><li>Sandstorm/Exhaltation of the Untamed - Sandstorm - bleh. Exhaltation has some good uses on elemental casting mobs </li><li>Protecting Grove - Never ever seen aggro from it, but it's a slow HoT, so you shouldn't. Plus it has great possibilities for Macro text! </li><li>Aspect of the Hawk - Always me, and the MT (for extra power pool), next would be another healer, last would be caster. </li></ul>I've noticed the biggest difference between our main HoT's (Greater Chloroplast/Greater Bloodflow) is that the furies HoT is a fixed amount. I noticed on a few fights that Greater Chloroplast was healing less than the minimum value, by a considerable amount, and I was certainly NOT at full health. Anyone else ever see that? I never saw that on my fury. -Hmm, no, I'm seeing values within the ranges on the spell description. </blockquote>

Veedublya

06-14-2007, 05:43 PM

<cite>Taea wrote:</cite><blockquote>Agaxiq@Unrest wrote: <blockquote><ul><li>Heirophantic Advent - Depends on your group. If you're in the MT group, there's a chance your power regen is maxed anyway. The heal amount is meh - I'd rather just cast a couple HoTs.</li></ul></blockquote></blockquote>The power feed from HA has nothing to do with flowing thought, so the tank will still get the power feed from the spell even tho his FT is maxed.

Taea

06-14-2007, 05:48 PM

<cite>Veedublya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Taea wrote:</cite><blockquote>Agaxiq@Unrest wrote: <blockquote><ul><li>Heirophantic Advent - Depends on your group. If you're in the MT group, there's a chance your power regen is maxed anyway. The heal amount is meh - I'd rather just cast a couple HoTs.</li></ul></blockquote></blockquote>The power feed from HA has nothing to do with flowing thought, so the tank will still get the power feed from the spell even tho his FT is maxed.</blockquote>Didn't know that... I was just informed by the coercer in our group that it was useless, since the power regen was maxed. That's good to know!

Arielle Nightshade

06-14-2007, 05:55 PM

Welcome to the Pack! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> a betrayal at 70 must have been a bit traumatic....but WE think you'll like your Warden better <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Here's my 2 on your spell list questions: Hierophantic Advent: Agree with Veedub - rarely use it. I don't call this my 'class defining spell', either - for all that we get it and the upgrade at 50/70. It's on my hot bar, but doesn't offer a large enough heal and/or power bonus to compensate for the stun that you have when you do it. I have never used it in raiding...not at 50, not at 70. Ever. Sandstorm/Exhaltation of the Untamed: Exhaltation..yes..every time it's available, I refresh the buff - most especially when the mob is a Dragon or other Elemental damage creature. That extra, especially in Master 1, often makes a difference. Sandstorm is situational depending on A) the damage being taken B) the composition of the group and C) the length of the fight. It uses more power than I like to have being drained from me for that arguably helpful bunch of defense. In a group with really good gear, Sandstorm isn't always needed...and never when it's going to come down to the wire for power useage. If you are in a DPS group that is heavy on the casters...and have the power to spare...it'd really help.Protecting Grove: is not a hate free spell. It places you nowhere near a cleric or shaman on the Hate hit parade for healing though. I don't usually cast it prior to the pull, but I also don't cancel it if it is still left standing after the fight. I let it go away on it's own. I have never seen it pull social aggro before. Aspect of the Hawk: Perma cast on me. Situationally cast on either: the MT if I'm in that group for that extra bit of resist - another priest in my group if there is a significant difference in their power pool from everyone else's, on melee DPS if Im in that group. If I'm the only healer it goes on the tank or highest damage dealing melee dps.Chloroplast will heal below the minimum..I have seen..if the healing range is more than the health needed to top the injured person to full health. (ex: it heals for 500-700 (can't remember the numbers, don't jump on me) and the person only needs 375 to be at 100%...then it will heal for 375.I am STA/INT/WIS mixed...a nuking Warden, and am completely happy. The melee line, although kind of fun, just doesn't suit me. You'd be happy with the damage if you have some INT spec'd, and some damage crit items equipped.

Skivley101

06-14-2007, 06:19 PM

As far as your dmg spells ... I would get them adept 1 atleast even if you have them all CA's ...adept 3's if you can afford em even better. Subzero will probably be the cheapest master to find ... solar burn the most expensive. The winds of Arctic cold is definately usefull for when you dont want to aoe but hit multiple targets. You will probably find warden nuking dmg much less than fury & the mele dmg even with over 700 str is not as high either... But the big advantage with mele is the Burst dmg possible. I am a mele specd Warden with 450 str without potion,food&buffs, I keep my Disruption skills at 360 & have Glacial cold/subzero masters ... the rest are adept 3 (would definatley not hesitate to scribe the rest masters if i found them or bought for the right price) ... 35 plat is a bit steep in my oppinion for Dawgs,Flame,Winds For Mele ...If you have some one in your group Buffing your mele skills to around 380 , then you can afford to put primitive insticnt on someone else, but if your only at 350 then the benefits from more proc healing and dmg is better on you, unless ofcourse your going to fight ranged.I think a good warden is versatile not locked into one way of doing things.PS: dont forget about your Natures Ally spell lvl 55

Agaxiq

06-14-2007, 06:20 PM

<cite>Taea wrote:</cite><blockquote>Agaxiq@Unrest wrote: <blockquote>All usable spells are AD3 with Greater Chloroplast and Tranquility at M1. I took Regenerative Spores as my M2 choice. I didn't even purchase ad3's for the spells I took as CA equivalents since you don't apparently need them -Nope, you want them. The CA's are less dmg, and longer recast, and short ranged. You'll have situations where you want the higher dmg, further range that the spells give you. </blockquote></blockquote> So if I scribe them, can I use either one? I'm assuming the CA's would share the same timers as the spells. Or would I have to respec, not choosing the melee line? It was also a cost-saving measure - something like 5 less spells to have to buy. The only one I really see providing value (for me, as a spell) is the one that has the heat/cold debuff, assuming I have to be at max range in a raid. Might have to try it both ways, but I dont have INT line going (and dont really want it with the Warden) so I'm betting my CA's will be on-par (assuming 75% crit) as the spells, at least with comparable INT/STR. Right now my INT is still much higher than my STR. Soloing, I'm doing about 700 dps when I spam through the CA's. Nice not getting interrupted at all though, so I'd really have to put both through the ringer. The betrayal itself was really easy. Got the same +5000 faction quest 10 times or so and did it in a couple of hours. Used my bruiser to taunt off any wandering guards with a FD in WFP. Sank about 15pp into AD3 spells and about 10pp for the 2 master 1 upgrades. Did the entire Tunare deity line in about an hour (was very easy - Sol Ro one is MUCH more of a time sink and the last step is VERY hard - but that cloak rocks) - I don't see our guild doing contested Mayong anytime soon so I'll see if I can get the pp back for the free Wolfsbane that I received. agressiv

Skivley101

06-14-2007, 06:46 PM

Agaxiq wrote :So if I scribe them, can I use either one? I'm assuming the CA's would share the same timers as the spells. Or would I have to respec, not choosing the melee line? It was also a cost-saving measure - something like 5 less spells to have to buy.__________________________________________________ ____________________________________Yes you can use them both any time .... They do share reuse timers .... For Ca's i always lead with fire strike after debuff becuz it has the quickest refresh .... But use solar flame much less when nuking.Whats your int/str at?PS : buying them all adept1 shouldnt be more than a plat (im guessing)

Agaxiq

06-14-2007, 07:16 PM

INT is 278 and STR is 194. I'm gonna either get a +STR doll or the Idol of Zan Fi for STR if it will let me. agressiv

Dragonreal

06-14-2007, 07:30 PM

just keep trying to boost your str and you'll see the damage numbers between the spells and the CAs evening out and then the CAs will be outdoing the spells most of the time due to a much higher crit chance. Don't bother with the dot CA though.. better to use that dot for the debuff component in which case you want it to be up all the time which is impossible with the CA version, plus the debuff on the CA version doesn't go up to master quality. Pick up your spell versions whenever you can afford them just so you have that backup and for versatility's sake, but it's not a really big issue right now. Right now you really need to work on getting geared out for meleeing instead of casting if you really want to see good returns on the melee spec.

Skivley101

06-14-2007, 08:11 PM

For Str gear Fabled/Legendary the Kos gear is best .... But Eof has some nice treasured/legendary notrade stuff for str boosts ... Hmmm let me see if i can dig up an old thread about it ....Ahhh heres a thread with a thread in it <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=362014" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=362014</a>