LEVEL LOCKING IS NOT THE PROBLEM GANKING IS

[ysslik]

<p>Ok I admit im new to eqII and to a pvp server but im a 6 year vet of eq 1 and am very familar with the wining of unfair play and unblanced toons. In a perfect world it would be nice and ballanced but guess what.We  dont live in one so there for we will never play in one. No mater what  Sony does there will be people to find ways around to twink and become more powerful faster is this cheating NO unless they are rewriting code its using the system to your advantage and dont tell me you have never used any system in RL or in game to give you an edge, we all have in RL at least.If a person spends hours on end killing gaurds for exp dept taking time to find what quest that gives the best aa and the fastest my hats off to them.Why? Thier dedicated to improving thier char to the best of and fastest way to gain the edge on their enemy.Everyone has his/her own way of playing dont wine and complain at the guy who is lvl 13 with 13 aa because he dedicated him self to doing this and you decided not to.Lvl locking is a ballanced system because everyone has the opratunity to do it.Weather you decide to do it is up to you.The real problem is the next section.</p><p>Ganking is  turning new players off to pvp not level locking.I almost left do to it but i met some people that talked me through it and i will never go back to pve.What they need is to expand the Honor sytem.Its consider a dishonarble kill if you attack someone and kill him below a certain health amount (please correct me if im wrong)and you loose faction with both sides.Well i dont see a diffrence in atacking someone at 20% health one on one vs atacking a person at full health with 6 people twinked or not.Oh yes i hear you now its war and all is fair game your right. It is war and if its all fair game then why is there a penalty for killing someone at low health awnser: HONOR.I admit i did gank in the beging but didnt like i felt it was dishonable way of doing it so i dont anymore.I look for the rare one on one fights.So if they make it where you get a neg faction hit if your group out numbers the enemy 2 to 1 or something.This would lower the ganking and i feel new players would be more willing to stay.Ganking isnt honorab its cowardly.</p><p>Speaking of cowardly if you attack me or someone else and you feel you are out matched dont run stay and take your likking.We can solve this problem of running (its a little better with no zone now) with the expantion of the honor system if you start a fight and then run away a certain distance or have not attacked your enemy with in a certain time frame you have ran away and lose infamy and the other gets it for making you run.If your man enough to start a fight please be man enough to finish it.</p><p>One last thing SK harm touch please give me a break dont nerf it thats just stupid.Because people are claiming  its unfair and people are hting and then camping.Well i dont play that way i will fight with ht up or down.You want to fix this problem easy suspend the recast timer when camped or with in the city limits.I would not have problem with that and the people that complain about that well you just found the ones that play like that.</p><p>So let the flames begin please flame about the subject and not spelling or grammer thats just childish.Oh by the way i play on Venekor So when i say cowards and  gankers  im meen "Q's" LOL</p><p> Ysslik 25 sk with no title </p>

[Image_Vain]

Harm Touch is very overpowered, and it's not just SKs that are getting nerfed, it's all the classes. And one other thing, there is <span style="color: #cc0000">NO</span> honor is video games, I don't get how people keep talking about "your dishonorable" so what man, get over it, I'll gank you day and night, and if there wasn't lvl gap between pvp, I'd gank people 40 lvls lower then me. When I say no honor, I mean, most players aren't going to pass you by because you have low health, hell, I'd gank you to. Though I am very trust worthy, on other MMO's people used to trust me to hold on to rares that sold for hundreds of RL dollars. But I have no remorse when it comes to PvP. Oh and Uh, for the record, I'm on Venekor (just transfered) I love PvE/Raiding and stuff, but I need something else, so I deleted my toon and came here hoping to make a fresh start. And I didn't meant to flame, thats just who I am, no offense.

[xenocide85]

I agree with the author on some points but not on others.  HT needs to be scaled down (not castrated, but nerfed) and has been for a long time.  On my level 24 SK, I critically touched a fae last night for 1800 damage and one shot him.  I mean I love being overpowered, but HT does need some adjusting b/c it's not fair.  Only healers and other SKs (at least at low lvls due to higher dis res) have a chance against it.  And I guess pally's with LoH if they dont die outright. While I think the addition or improvement of an honor system would be amazing and I've heard people calling for it forever, I doubt SoE will do anything about it.  I think debt should remain, no AA cap be implemented, and let twinks and locks get as many AA as they want - its just another time investment for character improvement, like finding fabled items, getting pvp faction, or mastering out.  However it provides an outlet for lower tier players to have more indepth strategy and character development without having to go to T7 (which a lot of us don't want to do).  If low lvl ganking really is the main reason they are fixing AA's (which I sort of doubt), the obvious logical facallacy is that any twink or group of gankers will always pummel equally leveled n00bs and novices who have just started playing this game.  If any consideration should be given to this, it should not be prohibitibe but rather to make sure one class's AA trees aren't vastly more overpowered than anothers.

[piro]

<p>Ganking will always be a here bro get use to it. The thing is people love an uneven fight when you can dominate another player it feels good. I personally hate being ganked but at the same time youll never ever cath me passing an opertunity to do the same when my time comes. </p><p>I would hate to see level locking taken out of game though its how i stay close to my RL friends and family not to mention the fact that as is you level to fast in this game to catch all the content and im all about the content.</p><p> As far as harm touch goes to me it does not matter what they do to it i only use it in pve anyway 9 times out of 10 it will get resisted or not do enough damage to matter. If ya think about it an Sk has such a varity of spells and CA's there just as bad with or without it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Rystic]

Solo always supports groups because more people group then solo , However if they changed it to where Tokens would drop less often if grouped, I think you'd see alot of solo freeports and qeynos running around. Also put a cap on tokens if a person is killing the same person every 30 mins make the timer increase to 1 hour and so fourth etc etc.

[Armawk]

So OP, basically everything is fair game as long as the game allows it, except for things you dont like?

[tass]

I agree on some parts but not ganking. Its like all those whiners in vanguard that scream at you in chat for being a greifer. Your in a server where a persons main priority is to kill you repeatedly over until they cant find you again. Noobs being slaughtered everywhere will always be pvp. Unless the moderators or developers were actually stupid enough to take away the ability to kill others at points of time. Though something tells me they probably would and then take 3 months correcting it lol.

[ladyvengeance]

Well here we go again. Yet another whiner complaining about ganking. Here's a novel idea - if you don't like it, then leave. Ganking will always be a part of the game. That's what makes it fun. Either leave or go to a PVE server like the rest of the noobs. I assume from the number of whiners on these forums that if you're complaining about ganking or level locking, then you must suck at this game. Either that, or you're 8 years old and don't have to patience or tenacity to get better at this game. This is not an easy game. Don't expect things to be handed to you on a [I cannot control my vocabulary] silver platter. I love ganking people. It's [I cannot control my vocabulary] great when I'm in a group and we come across some guy who is 15 levels higher and we gank him. If I could kill people 15 levels lower than me I would. That's how much I love ganking people. Don't assume just because you ride by me on your 32% horse and have no title that I'm going to let you go. You're going to die, and hopefully by me one-shotting you and then going over to your dead body, where a series of humping and emotes will ensue while others watch. So keep on whining - it will make killing you all the more fun.

[Bawang]

<cite>ysslik wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok I admit im new to eqII and to a pvp server</blockquote>Actually, he was quite upfront about his qualifications for speaking authoritatively on the subject.  Give the guy a break.  He's simply freshly coming face to face with the reality of PvP play and its "barbarity", and he wants people to be more "civilized".

[Luxun]

<cite>Image_Vain wrote:</cite><blockquote>Harm Touch is very overpowered, and it's not just SKs that are getting nerfed, it's all the classes. And one other thing, there is <span style="color: #cc0000">NO</span> honor is video games, I don't get how people keep talking about "your dishonorable" so what man, get over it, I'll gank you day and night, and if there wasn't lvl gap between pvp, I'd gank people 40 lvls lower then me. When I say no honor, I mean, most players aren't going to pass you by because you have low health, hell, I'd gank you to. Though I am very trust worthy, on other MMO's people used to trust me to hold on to rares that sold for hundreds of RL dollars. But I have no remorse when it comes to PvP. Oh and Uh, for the record, I'm on Venekor (just transfered) I love PvE/Raiding and stuff, but I need something else, so I deleted my toon and came here hoping to make a fresh start. And I didn't meant to flame, thats just who I am, no offense. </blockquote><p>I don't think if you have the slighest clue of what Honor really is.  Though it is a problem with our modern world, alot of words no longer carry their original purpsoe and meaning ...freedom anyone ? </p>

[Leorange]

<cite>Luxun wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Image_Vain wrote:</cite><blockquote>Harm Touch is very overpowered, and it's not just SKs that are getting nerfed, it's all the classes. And one other thing, there is <span style="color: #cc0000">NO</span> honor is video games, I don't get how people keep talking about "your dishonorable" so what man, get over it, I'll gank you day and night, and if there wasn't lvl gap between pvp, I'd gank people 40 lvls lower then me. When I say no honor, I mean, most players aren't going to pass you by because you have low health, hell, I'd gank you to. Though I am very trust worthy, on other MMO's people used to trust me to hold on to rares that sold for hundreds of RL dollars. But I have no remorse when it comes to PvP. Oh and Uh, for the record, I'm on Venekor (just transfered) I love PvE/Raiding and stuff, but I need something else, so I deleted my toon and came here hoping to make a fresh start. And I didn't meant to flame, thats just who I am, no offense. </blockquote><p>I don't think if you have the slighest clue of what Honor really is.  Though it is a problem with our modern world, alot of words no longer carry their original purpsoe and meaning ...freedom anyone ? </p></blockquote><p>Okaaaay.. </p><p>I'm confused! Please explain what <i>you</i> mean with honor.</p><ul><li>Imho 'honor' has got to do with a reason of pride, glory, fame, respect for truth, keeping a good reputation. English is not my native language. It seems the dictionary is on my side though. </li><li>Now, lets look at this 'honor' in EQ2 pvp. We can seek honor in 'allowing a simple target to walk by' (i.e. not gank) or 'let's not kill recents' (grief). But since the opposite <i>does</i> happen I.V. is right: there is no honor in videogames. Well 'no' is a bit uber negative.. lets say 'not always'. I understood what he said, yet you said he didn't have the slightest clue.  </li></ul><p>I hate to feel ignorant.. so: please explain what <i>you</i> meant <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><ul><li>And then: freedom. What's with that? (be carefull, I'm from europe, not USA, so I might feel different about the true meaning of 'freedom'<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></li></ul><p>On topic: the topic is as sound and true as Bruce Willis to appear in a DieHard movie: Level locking isn't the problem, ganking is.  (Assuming this <i>is</i> the problem to begin with, the fact that ganking is chasing away noobs without retaliation skills)</p>

[Image_Vain]

When people say "<span style="color: #cc0000">Honor</span>" I'm seeing it as letting a target go, or not attacking when he's engaged in PVE, or when he's attacking another player, don't attack him,  I don't follow any of these <span style="color: #cc0000">Honor</span> "<span style="color: #cc0000">Guidelines</span>"

[ysslik]

<p>Theres a flame i was looking for.And im such noob i cant do the meaasage in the box thing.But i cant wait to get humped on the next gank i hope your Dark Elf i have fetish for them. Just watch my tail it got spikes on it.Well im sory to hear you felt i was winning and complaing.I just feel that there could be more of a chanlage then to ganking to get your titles and pvp gear.You said this game isnt easy your right its not easy hinding from a group of rangers.I see the sweat on all you ganker faces when 8 of you take me down so i know its not easy.</p><p>You also stated that everyone that complains about ganking must suck at this game or is 8 years old or no patience to improve at this game.I feel that everyone that complains about people complaining or stating they hate gankers.Are threaten that if sony puts some type of nerf on ganking IE tweaking the honor system then they would have to go out and realy fight where there could be a chance they could die and lose infamy or worst yet thier titles.</p><p>So if you want to gank me  fine  ill probally revive by you and attack your group again and die and repeat you will evetually get bored of me and move on and i will contiue my questing in peace till the next group comes along.</p><p>So no im not leaving im staying pvp because every once in a while ill find a one on one fight and it will be a great fight cause it will be whoever knows there char weakneses and strengths and how to employthem the best will be the winner.In victory or death ill sit back after the fight and go [Removed for Content] now thats good pvp action as i watch the next gank group come for me.</p><p> By the way imo this game realy isnt hard  and compared to old days of eq1 yes just about everything is handed to you on silver plater here.)</p><p>But I realy like it here so im here to stay </p><p>pleas contiune flame i like them </p>

[Rastaah]

<p>Ganking is not a problem on a pvp server, its life.</p><p>However, I don't like level locking for a lot of reasons but mostly that it encourages people to sit at one level and 'gank' the newbs coming into the game, it leaves certain tiers quite empty of pvp. Just do away with level locking, its a bad idea on pvp servers.    Lets give new people to the game a reason to stay and time to adjust to pvp, not chase them away the moment they turn level 10.</p>

[CresentBlade]

<cite>Rastaah wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ganking is not a problem on a pvp server, its life.</p><p>However, I don't like level locking for a lot of reasons but mostly that it encourages people to sit at one level and 'gank' the newbs coming into the game, it leaves certain tiers quite empty of pvp. Just do away with level locking, its a bad idea on pvp servers.    Lets give new people to the game a reason to stay and time to adjust to pvp, not chase them away the moment they turn level 10.</p></blockquote>/agree

[f]

Of course ganking is the problem, still you will not make people stop doing it. Look, most of them are really happy to fight 5v1 "battles", the side you are playing on doesn't matter. The changes in honour system you mentioned could be easily implemented, but they will not, reason: most of people are really happy to fight 5v1 "battles" and SOE won't make most of people sad. Honour means NOTHING in computer games, it is an obvious statement that there is absolutely no skill in killing single target with 5 "friends", nor there is any sense in constantly griefing poor noobs at noobzones, but again: most people really like it. Maybe it makes them feel good- in real life thay are poor, have no good work, they are lonely or simply stupid, never got laid or something like that. Or it may be completely different: they are polite and nice, have their own grocery shop, they pay taxes and walk the dogs in the park AND THEY JUST HAVE TO DO SOMETHING EVIL IN THEIR LIVES. It just doesn't matter. What's the point of this rant: get used to ganking if you want to play on pvp server, enjoy that rare honourable fights even if you loose them, enjoy seeing gankers running away from you cause you are white to them and they suck and just ignore the pvp titles as they are a simple decoration- nothing more (in most cases of course) and if you still feel frustrated: make your own ganker- maybe it is what you really want to do! ;)

[Netzoko]

Implement a system like this.... <ul><li>If more than 5 people contribute damage, or heals, to the death of another player(who is not grouped), no fame or status should be given. </li><li>If a player attacks another player while he/she is already fighting a mob, <b>negative </b>fame is given, and no status or loot are given.</li></ul>

[Controlor]

<cite>ladyvengeance wrote:</cite><blockquote><b><i>Well here we go again. Yet another whiner complaining about ganking. <span style="color: #ff3333">Here's a novel idea - if you don't like it, then leave. </span>Ganking will always be a part of the game. That's what makes it fun. Either leave or go to a PVE server like the rest of the noobs.</i></b>     (SNIP) </blockquote>[Removed for Content]..... WOW just wow. I hope that you were trolling and posted this cause that would at least make more sense as to why you posted. If you were trolling then grats your comments are ignored. IF you seriously read his post AND you still made this comment i am stunned. Lets look at that red part. The OP is arguing that GANKING is turning people AWAY from PVP. SO your solution if you dont like ganking then you should LEAVE the pvp server. Brilliant!!! Thats just the thing the OP is arguing against. He likes the pvp server and i am sure others would BUT to him the ganking is turning peeps away and here you are endorsing that.

[Stashe]

hehe, as a week-old eq2 noob, with no support structure for twinkage...i've just accepted the reality of the server. at least for now, if i can escape, i consider that a victory. I'll take what i can get, until i can dish it back out again, hehe.

[Derrickr]

<cite>Stashe wrote:</cite><blockquote>hehe, as a week-old eq2 noob, with no support structure for twinkage...i've just accepted the reality of the server. <b>at least for now, if i can escape, i consider that a victory. </b> I'll take what i can get, until i can dish it back out again, hehe. </blockquote> This had me in tears laughing. It's good to see someone have a positive attitude about a situation that discourages a lot of people.