nerf-alert! Shadows: Reduced percentage !!!

[Vindorus]

Well, yes ...whine...whine...whine...really. I don´t really see the point why they are doing this. Anyone been on test to see the nerf? Usually I dont have problems with aggro but the nerf could change this. As long as we dont get any proper deaggros this nerf is pretty mean <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Vindorus]

Its a 10% nerf on the A3 version.

[Siclone]

<p>all the scouts are getting their hate nerfed</p><p>It's their effort to try to get some of us to pick the kos aa line that reduces hate.  </p><p>10 percent is allot though.</p>

[HellRaiserXX]

<p>ignorant bliss AA ftw! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Siclone]

yeah this might be the thing that makes me change from getaway to Front load

[Mr. Dawki]

<cite>Siclone wrote:</cite><blockquote>yeah this might be the thing that makes me change from getaway to Front load </blockquote><p> one...i should slap you for taking getaway....</p><p>from the way a previous poster said its 10% off ad3. does that mean master 1 is still the same?</p><p>and i dobt 10% will affect you as much as you think, have you seen the ranger nerf 41% to 27%, rangers gona die, and im gona laugh at them....a lot more than i usualy do</p>

[-=Hoss=-]

What is the shadows line?  Is that murderous design or surveillance? -h

[steelbadger]

Shadows = Murderous Design The important thing to remember is that EVERYONE is going to have aggro problems, we know that we will have aggro problems, we know that everyone else will have aggro problems. But we don't know how bad they'll be (with the exception of Brigands, who are screwed <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )

[Kaediin]

<p>Heres a link to a before and after post on the intesting Feedback section. Has screenies of M1's before and after the nerf.</p><p> <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=366810" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=366810</a></p>

[Siclone]

Mr. Dawkins wrote: <blockquote><cite>Siclone wrote:</cite><blockquote>yeah this might be the thing that makes me change from getaway to Front load </blockquote><p> one...i should slap you for taking getaway....</p><p>from the way a previous poster said its 10% off ad3. does that mean master 1 is still the same?</p><p>and i dobt 10% will affect you as much as you think, have you seen the ranger nerf 41% to 27%, rangers gona die, and im gona laugh at them....a lot more than i usualy do</p></blockquote>whats wrong with an instant in combat stealth?  I mean compared to the other ones

[grish]

I actually for once will agree with Silcone, aside from combat stealth the obvious fan-frickin-tastic part about about getaway is the AE avoid. I did bleeding/frontload for a long time. I eventually redid my AA and spent enough points to put 5 into bliss and dropped hemo. Then I spent enough points to get 5 cloaked assault and end line bleed ability. (only like 3 points not spent in that tree). Then I spent the rest on the getway line, getting 5 in exacting, and 4 into my dps buff and 5 into the honed reflexes.Since I often use these as often as I can, my dps has improved. And I would encourage anyone to give it a shot. Like I said though, DPS aside any raiding assassin can find plenty of good times to AE avoid (MMIS, Rumbler ect ect). Time it right with a dirge who AE avoids, then you AE avoid, and then use a signet you are talking 2.5 minutes of not getting smacked with an AE.

[Kaiser Sigma]

<cite>HellRaiserXX wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>ignorant bliss AA ftw! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote> I laughed at people for picking that long ago. Karma strikes back. =/ Btw Frontload > Getaway. If you want an aoe immunity go Stamina AA line when GU36 comes out~.

[Siclone]

<p>well regardless if getaway or front load is better..</p><p> I think its funny that they nerf hate so more people will pick hate reducing AA on the KoS tree and all they really accomplished at best, was assassins changing on the EoF tree and going posion for the ignorant bliss.</p><p>I am assuming they will give us a free respec on the KoS tree I wonder if they will give us a respec on the EoF side as well? anyone hear about that? </p>

[Jayad]

With the other aggro changes, I'm pretty much going to be dead constantly. I run it right on the line now with aggro and that's with a lot more than we'll have. Does SOE really want us to feel like we can't do DPS? Either we have to pick things which reduce our dps, or not be able to do DPS due to aggro. Awesome. I have murderous design at master1 and this is a giant, giant nerf. Especially if you are buffing the MT with it, that's like a 30% nerf when you factor in hate boosters and those changes!

[Zen]

I would assume that they will let us respec both trees due to how "severe" this change is overall. I, personally am not getting terribly worked up over it until I see how it all plays out. In a way.. I almost agree with the change.. the one thing that I disliked the most about EQ2 is how (for the most part) mindless combat can be. Once you get in your rhythm, you just kinda stay there 80% of the time... I know things might change for certain fights, but for the most part we all have the same time and order that we use everything. Even though we are constantly mashing buttons, there is a distinct pattern to it all. I think this update will give some of the more "skilled" players an edge over the people who just memorize a cast pattern. Now, you have to time things, or save things, or hold off (possibly disengage) all together just to stay alive. We will have to find that sweet spot between top dps and survivability. That's just my 2c .. I personally was/am fine with how things are right now.. but I'm trying to look at the coming update in a different way than just "I've been nerfed!!" If SOE wants that update to go live, then it will.. if we like it or not.. which is why I'm trying to embrace the changes as much as possible. Maybe it will soften the blow haha.. On a more personal note.. Siclone.. how is the getaway line working out for you? I've been looking through all the tree lines that I haven't tried before lately and have been thinking of trying a few "different" combinations out. I'm curious how much use you get out of it.

[Siclone]

<p>I am not going to get worked up over the change either to I see how it plays, at worst I will repec to front load, get the ignorant bliss AA and toss in elude once in a while in my cycle, I think that would more then make up for the 10 percent nerf</p><p>Getaways ok, I use it mostly for an incombat stealth.  You cant attack in it so as an aoe avoid its better just to run out and shoot a bow then back in, then just sit there.</p><p>but you can get a few extra attacks in like you can hit mark and get in puncture blade then getaway(instant) then cloaked assult, ,,,if killing blade pops up you can get that off with getaway and not have to wait the couple of seconds that it takes for survailance.  so it gives you a few more options, nothing that great though.</p><p>Allot say front load is better, from what I read due to procing hemo on multiple targets with our AOE attacks.  </p>

[EtoilePirate]

70 Assassin on Test: much groupage, casual raiding. It's a <i>little</i> harder for a tank to hold aggro, but I just make a point of spamming Elude and using Surveillance, and it's mostly ok. Er, except when Decap crits.  The mobs REALLY don't like that, when they live through it. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So yeah, there's a difference and you notice it -- 29% (or 26% in my case, I'm missing 4 M1's and Murderous Design is one of 'em) gives you a lot mroe leeway than 19% (16%), but I honestly don't think it'll take more than a week's play to get used to the tweak and continue to play effectively. (Of course, I haven't been on a raid since the change patched, heh.  I may change my tune by Tuesday... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )

[Jayad]

I use Elude now. Surveillance is a big DPS hit if you are hasted at all.

[grish]

<cite>Siclone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Getaways ok, I use it mostly for an incombat stealth.  You cant attack in it so as an aoe avoid its better just to run out and shoot a bow then back in, then just sit there.</p></blockquote>First, you can attack in it. You arent just avoiding the AE while you are invis. Invis or not you are blocking for 1 min or until you take direct damage. And backing out wont help you deal with  the pulsing AE's in MMIS or even FTH. And in situations where you can back up to range, you are going to lose dps imo. I had frontload for awhile, and maybe when it comes time to proc off some hate it will be good, but as far as just using it for dps I still think I am gaining more from the getaway line. In the end, not looking forward to any of these nerfs, going to have to hear all the rouges whine and cry about getting knocked down a peg... actually wait.. i dont mind!

[Siclone]

<p>wait...you can attack in getaway and still be AoE protected for a min?</p><p>did you just say that?  Anyone want to confirm if that is true? They change it?</p><p>my understanding was that was how they made it then they nerfed it and people called it AFK away cause you could not do anything while being protected?</p>

[Siclone]

<cite>grish wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Siclone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Getaways ok, I use it mostly for an incombat stealth.  You cant attack in it so as an aoe avoid its better just to run out and shoot a bow then back in, then just sit there.</p></blockquote>First, you can attack in it. You arent just avoiding the AE while you are invis. Invis or not you are blocking for 1 min or until you take direct damage. And backing out wont help you deal with  the pulsing AE's in MMIS or even FTH. And in situations where you can back up to range, you are going to lose dps imo. I had frontload for awhile, and maybe when it comes time to proc off some hate it will be good, but as far as just using it for dps I still think I am gaining more from the getaway line. In the end, not looking forward to any of these nerfs, going to have to hear all the rouges whine and cry about getting knocked down a peg... actually wait.. i dont mind! </blockquote><p> no I just got confirmation that is not true.  It was made like that but, was nerfed, once you break that stealth you are no longer aoe protected.</p><p>odd that you did not know that and you had it that long? ...then again reading your other posts, with all due respect, I am not suprised </p>

[grish]

Ill keep it short, im sure you have a lot of trolling to do yet today.. Ok, I did test it and I was wrong. Big whoop. As far as your comment about "my other posts" im not to offended, I have to look at the source and then think to myself you could only be refering to your OMG, Brigands are l33tsauce posts, and me not agreeing with your opinion. Which happened to be  game wide assumptions about demands of either class, while over glorifying brigs, and under glorifying assassins. And then saying that assassins dont raid high end content, give me a frickin break. Dumbest thing I ever heard. And as far as "having it that long" I have only had it to run through FTH/MMIS/EH a few times (yes raiding end game content with an assassin OMG) and I thought it was working, when either I was resisting or getting AE avoid from the bard still. I couldnt tell, and I assumed my AE avoid was working. Either way, dont really care. To any who may have taken what I said and took the line, I am sorry. Like I said, thought it was working for the duration because I hadnt been getting nailed.

[Siclone]

<cite>grish wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ill keep it short, im sure you have a lot of trolling to do yet today.. Ok, I did test it and I was wrong. Big whoop. As far as your comment about "my other posts" im not to offended, I have to look at the source and then think to myself you could only be refering to your OMG, Brigands are l33tsauce posts, and me not agreeing with your opinion. Which happened to be  game wide assumptions about demands of either class, while over glorifying brigs, and under glorifying assassins. And then saying that assassins dont raid high end content, give me a frickin break. Dumbest thing I ever heard. And as far as "having it that long" I have only had it to run through FTH/MMIS/EH a few times (yes raiding end game content with an assassin OMG) and I thought it was working, when either I was resisting or getting AE avoid from the bard still. I couldnt tell, and I assumed my AE avoid was working. Either way, dont really care. To any who may have taken what I said and took the line, I am sorry. Like I said, thought it was working for the duration because I hadnt been getting nailed. </blockquote><p>That's not like mere technically you over looked, that's like 1 of the 4 final abilities that you have that you don't even know how it works.  </p><p>you should realize you don't know it all, in fact, seems like your one of the more less informed.  </p><p>you get all bent out of shape when its stated Swashies and Brigands have some pretty big advantages in allot of areas.  this is just common knowledge, nothing I stated was untrue, you just dont like to hear it cause you get your little feelings hurt cause your an assassin.  </p><p>I say lay the facts out on the table and call it the way it is.  And you call that trolling.  </p>

[grish]

You are so full of yourself and your know it allness. Give me a break. I made 1 mistake on an ability I just got. Because im sure you know how everything works all the time the instant you get a new ability. The point is, I just got it and I had been avoiding AE's for whatever reason, and assumed it was my AA line. And I never claimed to know it all, I contribute primarily to the assassin forums, offering suggestions to those who ask and I respond with things I have tried or things that have worked for me in the past. Thats far from knowing it all. And I am not bent out of shape, I know Swashies are far overpowered, and I know brigands are good. I also agreed on the solo ability and pvp ability of them. I never denied any ofthat if you would get off your own know it all, holier than though chair you would have actually heard what im saying. I stated your blanket statements about gamewide how brigands are more in demand, and then followed it up with your OMG Brigands R So l33tsauce nonsense, meanwhile saying stupid comments like brigands only do a little less dps than assassins makes you sound like you have never seen a good assassin and its likely you will never be a good assassin. Assassins dominate brigs when it comes to dps. Our convo went like this. Me-You dont have to be a brigand to do end game raiding. You-Omg Brigands are So l33t Me luv them long time. Me-Assassins do quite a bit more damage than brigands You-Ooooh, Brigands Rule all, wurld domination! (and on and on it goes) Trolling is starting lame threads and replying just for the sake of getting post count. You started 120+ threads, and more than half of them are garbage nobody wants to read that you could find answers on your own if you othered to look. But I suppose as a troll you 12 hours trolling here a day, so maybe you do in fact know it all. Congrats.

[judged_one]

Wow I feel like I am in KoS all over again. Both of you need to get your information updated.

[grish]

[Removed for Content] Canadians. My info is updated, I just didnt know how 1 skill works sue me.

[Vydar]

They changed their minds.  No nerf to decap on pvp servers, no nerf to shadows, and only a 500 dmg nerf to killing blade on pvp servers.