Out of Group healing, Wow!

[Rastaah]

<p> Reposting this here too, posted it on my realm forum but figured maybe its even better on the PVP forum: (Keep in mnd been around since Venekor opened its doors, first time something has truly annoyed me, but this sure did!!)</p><p>Well honestly, before I betrayed and played back on Freeports side I did not realize how much of a problem it was. Not saying Freeps don't do it , but as a Q I just never saw it much. I guess I missed it?   Well since I betrayed Wolfiena and started my little Aserai thats pretty much ALL I see Qeynosian folks doing.     I'll use the guy in Zek as my example though.</p><p> Won't name names of course, though I really wish there was some sort of hall of shame for this stuff.   First of all he was level 38, 6 levels higher than us, we just had 2 of us.  He dropped group and got his level 41 healer to just stand there and heal him, I thought all that had been changed but I guess not.       I guess it goes by the level of the player they are healing not the level they are attacking.   Anyway, this healer sat there, with us unable to touch him (He never did go aggro not sure why) and healed this guy . It took him FOREVER to kill us even at that, but I told my daughter, just put up a good fight but there is NO way we are ever kiling this guy, we would get him to half health and boom the healer just put on one heal and sat there again.      It went on like this a very long time until eventually we obviously, died.    He then just joined back up into his group becoming non aggro to us again.......</p><p> I think that is really cheap.   And I guess if you start imposing too many rules PVP can get un-fun so I don't know if I'm saying it should not be able to be done, but It is just cheap to leave a group and fight with a higher level pet healer thant he group your attacking can attack, then join back into that group when done.   I don't mind people who drive by heal because thats sort of just par for the course in pvp, but this guy and one other set of Q's we saw yesterday on our Aserai's just literally used the mechanic to gain 100% full advantage.</p><p> You know I'd even settle for an emote that lets the person know how totally chicken POO I think what they are doing is.</p><p> I love free for all pvp by the way, it isn't about that, its about the way the healer can stay out of aggro state, the way the guy can then simply rejoin that group and be non attackable again. I MUCH prefer no level limits at all than this.  This was just plain stupid.</p><p>Anyway thats my rant.  I think since Ive been here this is the first time Ive whined about something related to PVP, but it was just that cheap in my opinion.</p><p>Those doing it should really consider yourselves bad pvp'er's. </p><p>At least give me some emotes that are suitable for people who use chicken [Removed for Content] mechanic work arounds to win at pvp heh.  Like uh,   /emote thinks you are a cheating cheater!</p><p>Something like that would make me happy</p>

[Bozidar]

<p>if a player is not engaged in pvp combat they can be healed.  if they are engaged (attacking you) they can't be healed unless they are in the level range of the person healing them (not the person or people fighting them).</p><p>Yes.. this is broken.. you shouldn't be able to be healed by anyone who can't attack your opponents.  But its' better than it was.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>if a player is not engaged in pvp combat they can be healed.  if they are engaged (attacking you) they can't be healed unless they are in the level range of the person healing them (not the person or people fighting them).</p><p>Yes.. this is broken.. you shouldn't be able to be healed by anyone who can't attack your opponents.  But its' better than it was.</p></blockquote>Actually, the guy you are healing can be fighting a lvl 10, as long as you, as the healer is within the guy you are healings level range, you can heal him, no matter what level guys he is fighting. And I am pretty sure they did it this way to avoid a hoast of exploits that would be even more ridiculus.

[ladyvengeance]

<p>Yeah that is pretty cheap. There is an emote for it --- you can type /shame or /ashame or something like that. </p><p>So if you're a 14 fighting a level 10, an 18 can heal you? Definitely needs to be fixed, although I'm not sure how. Just login to your character on his side and tell him off. I do it at times when the guy is being really cheap like that. </p><p>Like yesterday My lvl 11 was fighting this cheap lvl 15 freep in Sunken City. After I hit him twice he saw how powerful I was and hid behind the guards. What a wuss. Anyway, he waited until he could zone and disappeared. I go and fight this named and have about 10 enemies aggro me. No problem. About half my life was down and guess who shows up? He had to wait until half my life was gone before attacking me. Well, with 10 aggroed enemies on me he had no problem killing me. So I logged into the freep side and told him off. Told him he was a wuss and a title [Removed for Content] and he should fight me one on one. I rather enjoyed it. I don't do it very often, but when the guy is being a real cheapy then I will. You know who you are!</p>

[Rastaah]

<p>Yea, I guess its better than before but [Removed for Content], what a cheap way to win a fight. As Ive posted in my realm forum, its like winning a fight in real life when you have 8 guys holding one down and you beat his face in and then claim your a good fighter.     Its cheap and shameful to good pvp.      Fight fair, win or lost, thats how I do it. I dont mind the run by heals at all, thats just your side defending you.  This was an actual 'let me leave my group and use an I win button' thing.</p><p>I never saw this as a Qeynosian from the Freeps, its only since I became a Freep Im seeing it from the Q's. (Sorry guys...not sure why, just a factual statement)</p><p>As to logging in and telling him off, ugh Id have to be really really really [Removed for Content] , , but im hoping by posting this that maybe the dev's can see it and possibly down the line implement fixes.  I will try that emote.</p><p>Thanks for the input.</p>

[Bozidar]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>if a player is not engaged in pvp combat they can be healed.  if they are engaged (attacking you) they can't be healed unless they are in the level range of the person healing them (not the person or people fighting them).</p><p>Yes.. this is broken.. you shouldn't be able to be healed by anyone who can't attack your opponents.  But its' better than it was.</p></blockquote>Actually, the guy you are healing can be fighting a lvl 10, as long as you, as the healer is within the guy you are healings level range, you can heal him, no matter what level guys he is fighting. And I am pretty sure they did it this way to avoid a hoast of exploits that would be even more ridiculus. </blockquote>Actually, i said exactly that.  Please don't repeat what i say and do it with the tone of a correction <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Norrsken]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>if a player is not engaged in pvp combat they can be healed.  if they are engaged (attacking you) they can't be healed unless they are in the level range of the person healing them (not the person or people fighting them).</p><p>Yes.. this is broken.. you shouldn't be able to be healed by anyone who can't attack your opponents.  But its' better than it was.</p></blockquote>Actually, the guy you are healing can be fighting a lvl 10, as long as you, as the healer is within the guy you are healings level range, you can heal him, no matter what level guys he is fighting. And I am pretty sure they did it this way to avoid a hoast of exploits that would be even more ridiculus. </blockquote>Actually, i said exactly that.  Please don't repeat what i say and do it with the tone of a correction <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Manm, I did it again? [Removed for Content]. I gotta get my brain back in order after this last festival. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bozidar]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>if a player is not engaged in pvp combat they can be healed.  if they are engaged (attacking you) they can't be healed unless they are in the level range of the person healing them (not the person or people fighting them).</p><p>Yes.. this is broken.. you shouldn't be able to be healed by anyone who can't attack your opponents.  But its' better than it was.</p></blockquote>Actually, the guy you are healing can be fighting a lvl 10, as long as you, as the healer is within the guy you are healings level range, you can heal him, no matter what level guys he is fighting. And I am pretty sure they did it this way to avoid a hoast of exploits that would be even more ridiculus. </blockquote>Actually, i said exactly that.  Please don't repeat what i say and do it with the tone of a correction <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Manm, I did it again? [I cannot control my vocabulary]. I gotta get my brain back in order after this last festival. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>lol, it's all good <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Harbringer Doom]

<cite>Rastaah wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I never saw this as a Qeynosian from the Freeps, its only since I became a Freep Im seeing it from the Q's. (Sorry guys...not sure why, just a factual statement)</p></blockquote> If you understand its on both sides, why belabor the point.  We get it. By the by, in recent weeks, I've seen about a half dozen level 70 Freep babysitters grouped with their lower level twinks in zones that are ridiculously out of their range.   Some even ADMIT that the 70 is there to protect the level 25. I don't see Q's doing this, buy hey, no offense, its probably happening. More on topic, I have no problem with a level 41 oog healing a level 38 in Zek.  Its a 41 and a 38, shesh. Isn't Zek a ten level different zone?  You seem to imply is an 8 level difference, and I'm not certain, so I'll take your word for it.  This is a 38 and a 41 who were in a level appropriate zone, who obviously out leveled you, who can obviously beat you... and you're complaining that they used appropriate game mechanics and won. I rue the day an ungrouped level 40 can't heal another level 40 engaged in a pvp battle he happens across.  That makes no sense. Look, upon coming across these two, it should take about 2 seconds to know their classes.  Upon knowing their classes, and seeing their cons, it should take another second to realize the orange can disband from the red, and the red can oog heal him.  Armed with that knowledge, either attack when they are grouped, attack the 41 also when they disband to throw him into combat, or flee the zone.    You don't get choice D) only fight on your terms, who you want, and no one else gets to help your enemy.

[Bozidar]

Tesar@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Isn't Zek a ten level different zone?  </blockquote>no

[Harbringer Doom]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Tesar@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Isn't Zek a ten level different zone?  </blockquote>no</blockquote> lol, Okay, thanks!

[Rastaah]

<p>Zek is NOT a ten level difference zone. And figures this coming from a Qeynosian as that is all Ive seen doing it.  Both sides MAY do it but all Ive seen as a Freep is Q's doing it, however as a Q I never saw it done by Freeps, if I did was so rare it never bugged me.  This was done many many times yesterday where they just sat there out of group with the guy and healed whoever.     Anyway , I PREFER NO LEVEL LIMITS at all to this set up.  Its silly.   I never even knew this was done until I betrayed to Freeport the other day, just never saw it.</p><p>(We also merged recently and I was gone for a while, perhaps the merge is influencing it more than what side Im on)  We lost a lot of our great players to Naga and gained some great ones too, however, it seems we also gained some with questionable pvp habits.    </p><p>Id like to see no out of group h ealing at all if this is how people are now playing the pvp in this game (they did not used to before I went away for a while)</p><p>These are just my opinions though by the way...so don't take offense......Im open to being swayed by logic  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>(I should add I hate title ho's too heh, the people who run from a battle to protect a title. To me that should earn them one title and one title only "Coward of Qeynos ' or Coward of Freeport, depending on who is doing it)</p>

[Harbringer Doom]

<cite>Rastaah wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Anyway , I PREFER NO LEVEL LIMITS at all to this set up.  </p><p>......Im open to being swayed by logic  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote> Wait.  If you prefer no level limits... how about this logic:  Attack the 41 and the 38 while they are grouped.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rastaah]

<p>I couldn't because of level limits or I just might <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Seriously though, they do it all the time, since the day I posted this I am already used to it, I expect it now <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Was just a shocker upon returning to find it like the norm now rather than something frowned upon.        Thing is, it is not out of the realm of possibility that my character and my daughters could kill them if we could have attacked the healer since you never know what someone has gear and spell wise.....its always possible depending on that.</p>

[w1]

IMO if you out of group heal someone while they're in PVP combat you should die instantly and lose fame. 

[dr4gonUK]

<p>Since when cant you attack a higher level player at any lvl? </p><p>Ive been attcked by plenty of greys*.</p><p>Just coz they arent aggro doesnt mean you cant attack them afaik.</p><p>edit : groups of lvl 30+ in antonica for example. Well outside the 4 lvl range. lol @ op thinking they couldnt attack.</p>

[ladyvengeance]

<cite>w1nz wrote:</cite><blockquote>IMO if you out of group heal someone while they're in PVP combat you should die instantly and lose fame.  </blockquote> Completely agree -- they should lose faction as well, and be dubbed "Coward of Freeport" (or Queynos) for 24 hours. Shame on those of you who are doing this. IMO they should do away with healers altogether.