Any word on the new character system?

[Squigglle]

Is there any eta on it? i know it got to be soon with a new expansion coming up. i dont think they would make the expansion with the old system just to rewrite it too. any idea?

[Mareth]

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. What new character system?

[mellowknees72]

<p>The OP is talking about the alleged skeletal revamp that's supposedly coming eventually at some point down the road, I think.</p><p>I haven't seen an ETA, and in fact, I haven't seen any devs talking about it for a loooooooooooong time now.  I'm beginning to wonder (if you can't tell by my first sentence) whether it's going to occur at all. <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Personally, whatever occurs, I really hope that the outward appearance of our characters isn't changed very much.  I really like the way female halflings currently look (as if one couldn't tell by the fact that of my 12 characters, 10 are halfling females) and I don't want to see it tweaked *too* much.</p>

[Kaalenarc]

Pipes@Najena wrote: <blockquote><p>The OP is talking about the alleged skeletal revamp that's supposedly coming eventually at some point down the road, I think.</p><p>I haven't seen an ETA, and in fact, I haven't seen any devs talking about it for a loooooooooooong time now.  I'm beginning to wonder (if you can't tell by my first sentence) whether it's going to occur at all. <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Personally, whatever occurs, I really hope that the outward appearance of our characters isn't changed very much.  I really like the way female halflings currently look (as if one couldn't tell by the fact that of my 12 characters, 10 are halfling females) and I don't want to see it tweaked *too* much.</p></blockquote> <span style="color: #ffff00">I hope that when they do it  - they continue to allow for the original and SOGA models and the "new" versions are merely an option. Time will tell. Personally Im a big fan of SOGA, hate the originals, and am open to seeing what new stuff they make.</span>

[Squigglle]

i also am a fan of regular and soga both. dark elfs look soo badass with soga on. but they need to do it, the armor all looks the same. most armor in the game is the same just different color.

[Arinwulf]

I hate the SOGA models, might as well be playing Hello Kitty Island adventure.   If I want anime, I play japanese games, if I want realistically rendered humanoids, I play EQ2 with the original models.

[Cusashorn]

<p>I want them to fix the skeletons so everyone doesn't tilt thier head slightly to the right or look at about 11:30 o'clock from your body.</p><p>I dont want them to alter the physical appearances of the models. I dont want my human female to look any different. I just want her to look straight ahead at an even eye level.</p>

[Ijiamee]

<p>I like both models too, but differently per race. I do not like the SOGA ogres, dwarves, or orcs, but I do like the Wood elves and half elves, for example.</p>

[DanaDark]

<p>i like both model forms in different ways. Let me list the ways... -Im a dork- ((THESE ARE MY OPINIONS... please no hate ><   ))</p><p>SOGA: The Good. 1. Smoothness in the skin and features 2. Smaller bodies (I tend to not want every male including wizards to look like Arnold in the weight lifting days) 3. Better hair styles SOGA: The Bad. 1. Crooked necks (Help, I broke my neck!) 2. Half elf chins dont modify 3. Even set to extreme differences, they ALL LOOK THE SAME 4. The [Removed for Content]... it looks like two watermellons sewn onto a toothpick... NASTY (Could be because I dont like [Removed for Content] at all anyway tho.. eww....)</p><p>Original: The Good. 1. Somewhat realistic 2. Better body shapes overall 3. Piercings for half elfs 4. Ogre models just totally kick [Removed for Content] <3 <3 <3 Original: The Bad. 1. CLAYMATION. 2. Skin quality of a 6th grader... been through puberty once thank you, NOT AGAIN PLS 3. Some models have sunken eyes... looks creepy (cough wood elf males) 4. Every male is SUPER pigeon breasted... 5. Humans. (If you dont understand... look in the mirror then immediately look at the human model... if you don't scream, I applaud you) Im one of those people that nit pick about the details though... I know some of you probably just randomly select a race and then click random for all the features... but for me... the absolute most important thing for my toons is their looks lol.</p><p>Bad [Removed for Content] is 50% looks, 40% attitude, and 10% skill [Removed for Content].</p>

[Cusashorn]

^ You need to applaud me then. I think the human females are one of the better looking models of all the races.

[DanaDark]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>^ You need to applaud me then. I think the human females are one of the better looking models of all the races.</blockquote><p> You mean like... the original ones? ... .....</p><p>How can you play EQ2 using brail cuz you MUST be blind =X</p>

[Ijiamee]

<cite>DanaDark wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>NASTY (Could be because I dont like [Removed for Content] at all anyway tho.. eww....)</p></blockquote><p> You're making it very difficult not to hate...</p><p><img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

I can't stand using any of the soga models. Especially human. I think the original female model is one of the best of all of them.

[Eriol]

I thought that the SOGA models were purely the heads and didn't affect the bodies at all? (no real experience here, as I don't have them on as I have a "negative" opinion on their looks)

[DanaDark]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can't stand using any of the soga models. Especially human. I think the original female model is one of the best of all of them.</blockquote><p> o.O' 'O.o o.O' .... I don't undertsand =X</p>

[Rijacki]

When they were talking about the model revamp (from around last Fan Faire.. a year ago in April), it was going to be for the -body- frame alone and not affect the head and customisations at all. It's been more than 6 months (I think) since the last time any dev made even a slight reference to it. They have done some nice things with -textures- over the basic armor models, though.  I still want another -robe- model for some variety.  There is more than one armor model for the other types (though they also reuse around though those, too, in different combos). But... what we have is definitely better, in my opinion, than the painted on look of EQ1, WoW, Lineage, etc.  While we do have fewer "looks" (and not as radical or revealing), the armor and clothing looks like it is separate from the skin in EQ2 (at least on better graphics settings with a good vid card).  While I do want a bit more variety (and even some less heavily concealing items), I don't want it at the expense of lowered visuals.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Eriol wrote:</cite><blockquote>I thought that the SOGA models were purely the heads and didn't affect the bodies at all? (no real experience here, as I don't have them on as I have a "negative" opinion on their looks) </blockquote> No no, the bodies themselves were changed too. For the largest part, all the female models were turned into Paris Hilton. Breasts included. Very small.

[Sanati]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>But... what we have is definitely better, in my opinion, than the painted on look of EQ1, WoW, Lineage, etc. </blockquote> Huh? I assume you meant Lineage 2 (since the first is 2d), and I'm going to have to question whether you've even played it if you could call the armor in that game "painted on." Almost every armor set in that game has it's own model, I don't mean skin I mean it's own 3d model. A lot of it is huge and ornate, with wings and fins and big chunks of metal going off in various directions. I've given up on EQ2 having any additional armor models. I mean it's a big deal for them to make a new hat. They blow trumpets and cheer and list it at the top of the patch notes, and it's just a hat.

[Twoboxer2]

<p>SOGA? Pffft. No matter how you adjust the 53 sliders, there are only two faces.</p><p>At least with the originals, there are 5 or 6 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[MadTexan3]

Every time I see a SOGA dark elf with those ridiculous white lips all I can think of is Tryone Biggums from the Chappelle Show.

[Ruut Li]

<p>Human original model...[Removed for Content] were the devs thinking???? (yes cusa most who read these threads know that you love your human original, dont worry..we wont forget). </p><p>Since you can adjust age on the human original why does every age look like a middle-aged woman who been through tons of hardships. Shes so tired looking, and got saggy body parts. If I think thats a lovely look I should be able to choose that on the age slider (or play a Barbarian, but that race doesnt look tired). But if I want a young, fresh and fit human female (like the elves) it should show that when I choose age: young. Far from all humans in the world look like "who the f cares" because of hamburgers, nicotine, no excercise and whatever that wears the body down, so why does the human in a game look like that without alternatives?</p><p>I know I can choose soga to avoid looking at it, but it annoys me that other players can see my chars ugly side <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Thunderthyze]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I dont want them to alter the physical appearances of the models. I dont want my human female to look any different. I just want her to look straight ahead at an even eye level.</p></blockquote><p>You're weird mate...you know that don't you? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>You're saying you want a female to stare "straight at you"??</p><p>Are you insane? They have lasers for eyes that can cut straight through a man!</p><p><pew>  <pew> ...... </p>

[Skua]

soga all models : ON i prefer soga <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Finora]

<cite>Eriol wrote:</cite><blockquote>I thought that the SOGA models were purely the heads and didn't affect the bodies at all? (no real experience here, as I don't have them on as I have a "negative" opinion on their looks) </blockquote><p> SOGA are completely different models than the original (both head and body).</p><p>Now, I don't hate my human female characters (yes I have more than one)looks. I've made them look retty good IMO. However, I'm not  completely happy with them either. The cracked dry looking lips make me want to give the poor girls some chapstick and the dark eyes bug me. The skin quality is equally poor across all original models race/sex so that doesn't even need to be commented on with human females. If the skin texture was smoothed out a bit, it would go a LONG way to improving people's view of the original models </p><p>And SOGA, man. Skin is TOO perfect porceline and the eyes look like they were painted on =( SOGA really does look like pretty little porceline dollies, which is not what I'm after. That doesn't even cover the why they are jointed so strangely and how anorexic the females (with Pamela Anderson [Removed for Content] jobs of course) look and how barrel chested all the men look. These models could use a little imperfection and toning down IMO. I think that would make a lot of people hate them less (would make the soga lovers though cringe most likely).  However I believe a long time ago our devs stated that any changes/bug fixes for SOGA models would be done by the SOGA studio or not at all.</p><p>I do think the original human female looks far and away better than the SOGA version, but I think that about all races in SOGA so no surprise there =p.</p><p>One part of me still is hoping for the skeleton revamp and seeing neat new armors and stuff. However, I'm concerned that they'd end up messing up the beast races, making them look/stand too human like (ala Vanguard beast races). That's something I'd rather not ever see. I like the beast races here.</p>

[kbrigman]

Aelestar@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>Every time I see a SOGA dark elf with those ridiculous white lips all I can think of is Tryone Biggums from the Chappelle Show.</blockquote> If you don't like SOGA Dark Elves, why don't you turn the models off?  My personal race favorite is the original female Dark Elf and I despise the SOGA female DEs.  I wish I could lock my original body model so that no one could see my character with the SOGA model. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Giral]

<p>Out of sight isnt out of mind, just becuase you can disable soga so you dont see it , doesnt mean the person next to you doesn thave soga models on</p><p>some people spent sometime trying to nudge sliders to make there toon diffrent then every other one,  and when someone says " yeah i can always tell its you becuase of your Spiked out hair in your Sk gear"   and im like " what ? " spikey hair ? i dont have spikey hair, and then i remeber that there are soga models and that i have no control over the way i realy look to anyone,  i Pay 2 Play but yet i can't even chose to have people see me the way i want to be seen. </p><p>i think allowing people to ONLY been seen in the Model type they prefer would be much better, i  Hate Soga , but i would rather see people in Soga Becuase that is the one they want to be viewed in ,</p><p>not a game breaking issue, but yes it happens on almost all my toon,s(Have soga OFF for them all) and i have people make comments about my Soga Models , and i am like  " i dont have a clue what i look like in soga, or what your talking about "  . and there like " oh ok  well you should switch to soga so see what you look like"   lol that ISNT what my Character looks like, My character looks like the normal Version , that was what my idea of what my Character would look like if brought to life and the Soga modal is a Body snatcher " </p>

[Kroogur]

Me hope mighty trolls not get messed up to bad..... we are fine just way we are....well maybe bigger muscles but not too much with bigger muscles....just enough to scare beer belly ogres<img src="/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Devilsbane]

<cite>DanaDark wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Original: The Bad. 1. CLAYMATION. <b>2. Skin quality of a 6th grader... been through puberty once thank you, NOT AGAIN PLS </b>3. Some models have sunken eyes... looks creepy (cough wood elf males) 4. Every male is SUPER pigeon breasted... 5. Humans. (If you dont understand... look in the mirror then immediately look at the human model... if you don't scream, I applaud you) </p></blockquote>I dislike that SoGA models do not have the aging slider that the original models had. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[selch]

I think people loves SOGA skins because they like plastic barbie dolls. THOSE ARE BLURRED TEXTURES MAN! On the other hand, I like original models textures much more, because .. they are imperfect... Just look at your own skin...

[tass]

I hate SOGA. They look like a bunch on chinease elves. Ranging from midget chinease halfling to overgrown tubby ogres.

[Bromir]

<cite>Arinwulf wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hate the SOGA models, might as well be playing Hello Kitty Island adventure.   If I want anime, I play japanese games, if I want realistically rendered humanoids, I play EQ2 with the original models.</blockquote><p> hear hear <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><b><p><img src="http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w82/Brorim/Normsoga.jpg" border="0"></p></b><p>Thank the devs it's optional .. </p><p>Yours</p><p>Brorim</p>

[Skua]

lol SOGA IS OPTIONAL , SOE ISNT FORCING YOU TO TOGGLE SOGA ON !!!!! if u like it , toggle it on else dont.............easy eh?

[Armawk]

<cite>Giralus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> i dont have spikey hair, and then i remeber that there are soga models and that i have no control over the way i realy look to anyone,  i Pay 2 Play but yet i can't even chose to have people see me the way i want to be seen. </p></blockquote><p> You do know you can customise soga seperately, without actually playing in that mode yourself?</p><p>And THEY pay to play too, and decide what they will see. You decide what you will see. Which seems pretty.. fair?</p>

[Raveller]

<cite>DanaDark wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Original: The Bad. 1. CLAYMATION. 2. Skin quality of a 6th grader... been through puberty once thank you, NOT AGAIN PLS 3. Some models have sunken eyes... looks creepy (cough wood elf males) 4. Every male is SUPER pigeon breasted... 5. Humans. (If you dont understand... look in the mirror then immediately look at the human model... if you don't scream, I applaud you) </p></blockquote>Just how crappy is your rig? You might want to replace that 80286 system with something that can render a 3D game.

[Sanati]

People keep talking about cartoony stuff and how bad it is, yet the original models for this game look like they came straight out of a Pixar movie. Just look at Bromir's post. The guy on the left looks like Buzz Lightyear with some playdoh hair glued on. Just because SOGA is Asian doesn't mean it's anime.

[Gallenite]

<cite>Squigglle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is there any eta on it? i know it got to be soon with a new expansion coming up. i dont think they would make the expansion with the old system just to rewrite it too. any idea?</blockquote> It's still in progress, and it's moving right along.  We'll be making quite a bit more noise about it once its release gets nearer.  As much as I wish I had more details to give at this time, the best that I can say for now is: "There are some really dedicated people putting in a whole lot of hours in on it, and yes, we really want it out there too." <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bromir]

<cite>Sanati wrote:</cite><blockquote>People keep talking about cartoony stuff and how bad it is, yet the original models for this game look like they came straight out of a Pixar movie. Just look at Bromir's post. The guy on the left looks like Buzz Lightyear with some playdoh hair glued on. Just because SOGA is Asian doesn't mean it's anime. </blockquote><p> Heh this just proves it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It's a taste thing .. You would not catch me using the SOGA . The soga models does look anime to me .  but not to you .</p><p>Yours</p><p>Brorim</p>

[KnightMarshal]

I hope they retool the bodies of the Barbarians so that the females don't have a 35 inch waist. I liked the looks of the EQ1 Barbarians. The EQ2 female Barbarians are too thick over-all.

[joebyrdw]

<cite>Gallenite wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Squigglle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is there any eta on it? i know it got to be soon with a new expansion coming up. i dont think they would make the expansion with the old system just to rewrite it too. any idea?</blockquote> It's still in progress, and it's moving right along.  We'll be making quite a bit more noise about it once its release gets nearer.  As much as I wish I had more details to give at this time, the best that I can say for now is: "There are some really dedicated people putting in a whole lot of hours in on it, and yes, we really want it out there too." <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> This is great to hear!! Its always a pleasure when a Red name gives us a heads up.

[jagermonsta]

SOGA Models <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ...wait someone posted that you can alter the appearance of your character's SOGA model without it altering the appearing of the 'normal' model? Is this true?

[Krystara]

Ranadin@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>...wait someone posted that you can alter the appearance of your character's SOGA model without it altering the appearing of the 'normal' model? Is this true? </blockquote><p>Yes.  Just toggle it on briefly, visit a barber or "alternate model" button in character select and make the SOGA model something that you can live with other people seeing and then toggle it back off.  That way what people see is at least what you have chosen even if it isn't ideal for you.</p><p> I've set the models for both on all my characters so that I at least am aware of what people see.  I go back and forth with SOGA.  I think the DE females looks stupid in SOGA, so I keep her regular.  I also toggle off barbarians and ogres.  My woodelf is usually SOGA, but sometime regular depending on my mood. </p>

[Raveller]

<cite>Sanati wrote:</cite><blockquote>People keep talking about cartoony stuff and how bad it is, yet the original models for this game look like they came straight out of a Pixar movie. Just look at Bromir's post. The guy on the left looks like Buzz Lightyear with some playdoh hair glued on. Just because SOGA is Asian doesn't mean it's anime. </blockquote><p> Humans and Barbarians happen to be the only two races where the standard model faces just don't quite look right, no matter how much you tweak them. Human faces look a bit more real in SOGA (this is the only thing the SOGA models do right.) Barbarian faces actually look worse in SOGA. And Gnomes, Dwarves and Halflings just look completely wrong from top to bottom in SOGA.</p><p>For all races, however, the SOGA body proportions are so wrong as to be a complete joke.</p>

[Raveller]

<cite>KnightMarshal wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hope they retool the bodies of the Barbarians so that the females don't have a 35 inch waist. I liked the looks of the EQ1 Barbarians. The EQ2 female Barbarians are too thick over-all. </blockquote> Could that be because Barbarians are supposed to be a race of large humans, and not look like heroin addicted waifs?

[Salonkolya]

<p>Hope they don't change it too much as I really like the originals. I miss the acres of cleavage from EQ1 (lame i know but i liked it) but overall i think the chars look pretty good. I can't break my mental association of anime looking toons looking too young so fair or not I don't like the SOGA alternative. Only thing I don't like about the originals is the barb women look a bit too much like men and the male humans have silly hair. Dumb really as i like my wood elf chars to have hairstyles i would never use personally but if i had a human char it's different. Weird now i think of it.</p><p> edit: Oh yeah, if the models are changing please God no anorexics. It's bad enough irl girls getting their brains warped by fashion models. No need to have it in games too.</p>

[DanaDark]

<cite>Raveller wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DanaDark wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Original: The Bad. 1. CLAYMATION. 2. Skin quality of a 6th grader... been through puberty once thank you, NOT AGAIN PLS 3. Some models have sunken eyes... looks creepy (cough wood elf males) 4. Every male is SUPER pigeon breasted... 5. Humans. (If you dont understand... look in the mirror then immediately look at the human model... if you don't scream, I applaud you) </p></blockquote>Just how crappy is your rig? You might want to replace that 80286 system with something that can render a 3D game. </blockquote>LoL... I play with max settings minus shadows (buggy little things they are)

[sayitaintso]

<cite>Arinwulf wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hate the SOGA models, might as well be playing Hello Kitty Island adventure.   If I want anime, I play japanese games, if I want realistically rendered humanoids, I play EQ2 with the original models.</blockquote>Yes I want realistcally looking fantasy characters darnit. I want my halflings to look like the haflings that live down the street and want the gnomes to look just like the gnomes in teh next town over.. LOL some of you need to get out more..

[Nahlis]

<p>Mixed mode myself.  Far prefer the Soga ogres and pretty much despise everything about the original human models so Soga for those as well.  Dark Elves, I can live either way.  Prefer the Soga hairstyles to the overdone beards and "do's" of the normal models but like the body style of the originals better. *shrug*  Most everything else is in normal mode for me by default. Oh... and I agree 100% with what someone else posted about Trolls.  Model is about perfect as is, hope they don't mess with it too much!</p>