Raiding Buffs

[roces9]

<p>When reading another thread,  that got hijacked by people arguing about buffs, I noticed several different people gave several different opinions about which buffs to run in which groups on raids. I just wanted to know what everyone else thought about running </p><p>1) Bria's (Mana song)</p><p>2)Raxxyl's (Str/sta) and</p><p>3) Rousing Opus (Haste)</p><p>on raids. I always felt that Raxxyl's and Opus did not have much value in caster groups, but I was very suprised to hear some one advise against running Bria's, ever. Anyways, what do you guys think about running these buffs? Will the group gain anything if you run these on a raid? What about their value in melee/hybrid groups vs. pure caster groups? Remember, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so please try not to flame anyone.</p>

[SpiralDown]

<p>Good opinions and such in the thread "<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=365383" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Advice on raiding please?</a>" a couple down.  It gives good reasons for using or not using str/sta and haste, heh.  Can't think of a reason not to use power regen though, if for no other reason than there's nothing better to use.  Though I think it should stay up cause its useful for everyone and in any situation... </p><p>Unless that's the one that you think got hijacked and thought was full of just arguing, which I don't think was the case.  Don't think anyone was flaming and it is still on tracking of giving reasons why and why not to use buffs.  May not be speaking to the OP anymore, but still is giving varying opinion and good advice (maybe not mine, but most seem to know what they're talkin about <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />).</p>

[Nainitsuj]

<p>When I'm clearing trash in raid zones I'll run; Self, aria, alin's, rousing and maybe raxxyl's. It depends on the situation.</p><p>When I'm fighting avatars I'll run bria's, requiem, aria, alin's and quiron's.</p><p>Woushi/Mayong/Contested Mayong is .. bria's, dove, aria, alin's, arcane</p><p>PHH is aria, alin's, quiron's, raxxyl's, Balletic</p>

[vladsamier]

<cite>Nainitsuj wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When I'm clearing trash in raid zones I'll run; Self, aria, alin's, rousing and maybe raxxyl's. It depends on the situation.</p><p>When I'm fighting avatars I'll run bria's, requiem, aria, alin's and <b>quiron's</b>.</p><p>Woushi/Mayong/Contested Mayong is .. bria's, dove, aria, alin's, <b>arcane</b></p><p>PHH is aria, alin's, <b>quiron's</b>, raxxyl's, <b>Balletic</b></p></blockquote><p>LOL...</p><p>Avatars - Why are you running Quiron's its the most useless spell in the game. Wuoshi- WHY are you running ARCANE? Wuoshi's AE is not arcane at all, go reread your logs... It's 3 other damage types PHH - Again Quiron's is the most [Removed for Content] spell... And why on earth are you using Balletic Avoidance? You do know that adds + defense right? Which is useless in any dps group....</p>

[mirage06]

Raxxyl's, Bria's, Alin's, Opus, Aria, pretty much all the time. Dropping Opus for resistbuff (with aa wards) sometimes, maybe <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Pogopuschel]

<cite>mirage06 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Raxxyl's, Bria's, Alin's, Opus, Aria, pretty much all the time. Dropping Opus for resistbuff (with aa wards) sometimes, maybe <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> The same. Excatly the same.

[Nainitsuj]

Slamdar@Kithicor wrote: <blockquote><cite>Nainitsuj wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When I'm clearing trash in raid zones I'll run; Self, aria, alin's, rousing and maybe raxxyl's. It depends on the situation.</p><p>When I'm fighting avatars I'll run bria's, requiem, aria, alin's and <b>quiron's</b>.</p><p>Woushi/Mayong/Contested Mayong is .. bria's, dove, aria, alin's, <b>arcane</b></p><p>PHH is aria, alin's, <b>quiron's</b>, raxxyl's, <b>Balletic</b></p></blockquote><p>LOL...</p><p>Avatars - Why are you running Quiron's its the most useless spell in the game. Wuoshi- WHY are you running ARCANE? Wuoshi's AE is not arcane at all, go reread your logs... It's 3 other damage types PHH - Again Quiron's is the most [I cannot control my vocabulary] spell... And why on earth are you using Balletic Avoidance? You do know that adds + defense right? Which is useless in any dps group....</p></blockquote><p>Avatars - Mystic in the dps group.  Not exactly the fastest healer for capping a group's health. Woushi - Has a mental power drain.  Ward on arcane absorbs mental.  Breath is Arcane. PHH - Hybrid dps / off tank group for running pumpkin</p><p>When you start doin' EoF raids you'll understand. </p>

[vladsamier]

<cite>Nainitsuj wrote:</cite><blockquote>Slamdar@Kithicor wrote: <blockquote><cite>Nainitsuj wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>When I'm clearing trash in raid zones I'll run; Self, aria, alin's, rousing and maybe raxxyl's. It depends on the situation.</p><p>When I'm fighting avatars I'll run bria's, requiem, aria, alin's and <b>quiron's</b>.</p><p>Woushi/Mayong/Contested Mayong is .. bria's, dove, aria, alin's, <b>arcane</b></p><p>PHH is aria, alin's, <b>quiron's</b>, raxxyl's, <b>Balletic</b></p></blockquote><p>LOL...</p><p>Avatars - Why are you running Quiron's its the most useless spell in the game. Wuoshi- WHY are you running ARCANE? Wuoshi's AE is not arcane at all, go reread your logs... It's 3 other damage types PHH - Again Quiron's is the most [I cannot control my vocabulary] spell... And why on earth are you using Balletic Avoidance? You do know that adds + defense right? Which is useless in any dps group....</p></blockquote><p>Avatars - Mystic in the dps group.  Not exactly the fastest healer for capping a group's health. Woushi - Has a mental power drain.  Ward on arcane absorbs mental.  Breath is Arcane. PHH - Hybrid dps / off tank group for running pumpkin</p><p>When you start doin' EoF raids you'll understand. </p></blockquote><p>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL</p><p>So the +hp regen in combat is making up for a slow healer? Quiron's for me in combat regenerates 2% hp/tick... Each tick is what every 6 seconds? In that time, a mystic could have almost cast another group heal by then.....</p><p>Wuoshi's power drain is NOT MENTAL YOU [I cannot control my vocabulary]. Mayong's IS, Wuoshi's IS NOT. For the Unicorn yes, this would be true, however Wuoshi no.</p><p>PHH- You use a way different strat, and a dirge would be better suited for an off tank grp anyways. Still don't think that balletic is worth it. Nor the HP regen, should be giving your dps more buffs rather than a tank who very marginally benefits form +defense compared to the + parry from a dirge.</p><p>And yeah, you're right... Chaotic Legion doesn't raid EoF content, and when they do they bench me. I am teh suck at the game.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Pst. I just double checked, and yes I was right about Wuoshi's power drain.... Just open up ACT and look! </p>

[Pogopuschel]

Can only second what Slamdar said - double check that Wuoshi AE! And Quiron's is a good buff - just not for raids. There is much more valuable things in your repository <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[mirage06]

Health regen is nice for soloing, but that's about it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Mildavyn]

Slamdar@Kithicor wrote: <blockquote><p>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL</p><p>So the +hp regen in combat is making up for a slow healer? Quiron's for me in combat regenerates 2% hp/tick... Each tick is what every 6 seconds? In that time, a mystic could have almost cast another group heal by then.....</p><p>Wuoshi's power drain is NOT MENTAL YOU [I cannot control my vocabulary]. Mayong's IS, Wuoshi's IS NOT. For the Unicorn yes, this would be true, however Wuoshi no.</p><p>PHH- You use a way different strat, and a dirge would be better suited for an off tank grp anyways. Still don't think that balletic is worth it. Nor the HP regen, should be giving your dps more buffs rather than a tank who very marginally benefits form +defense compared to the + parry from a dirge.</p><p>And yeah, you're right... Chaotic Legion doesn't raid EoF content, and when they do they bench me. I am teh suck at the game.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Pst. I just double checked, and yes I was right about Wuoshi's power drain.... Just open up ACT and look! </p></blockquote><p>So, aside from the fact that you're doing your absolute best to sound like a [Removed for Content], there were some interesting things in this post. </p><p>I was under the impression that no matter what damage type comes with the power drain, it is still mental based? I have never seen any other type than a mental one in my ACT logs (never killed Woushi either, but whatever)</p><p>Are you SURE that it's not mental?</p><p>Also, it's my experience that parry is alot easier to cap than defense, making Balletic alot better than the dirge parry song. Quirons doesn't do enough to be worth playing, except when soloing. </p><p>Spelling>me</p>

[Cuz]

<cite>mirage06 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Raxxyl's, Bria's, Alin's, Opus, Aria, pretty much all the time. Dropping Opus for resistbuff (with aa wards) sometimes, maybe <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Hell I got so bored I never changed my buffs. The stupid repeatable quest in TT are a much better way of getting your health back than Quiron's. Maybe if you're in an extra hurry to regen... But really, I'd just play with the same buffs solo, group or raid. Well either that or I'd have no buffs at all, and see how long until someone asked for mana regen.

[Cuz]

Paikis@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Slamdar@Kithicor wrote: <blockquote><p>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL</p><p>So the +hp regen in combat is making up for a slow healer? Quiron's for me in combat regenerates 2% hp/tick... Each tick is what every 6 seconds? In that time, a mystic could have almost cast another group heal by then.....</p><p>Wuoshi's power drain is NOT MENTAL YOU [I cannot control my vocabulary]. Mayong's IS, Wuoshi's IS NOT. For the Unicorn yes, this would be true, however Wuoshi no.</p><p>PHH- You use a way different strat, and a dirge would be better suited for an off tank grp anyways. Still don't think that balletic is worth it. Nor the HP regen, should be giving your dps more buffs rather than a tank who very marginally benefits form +defense compared to the + parry from a dirge.</p><p>And yeah, you're right... Chaotic Legion doesn't raid EoF content, and when they do they bench me. I am teh suck at the game.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Pst. I just double checked, and yes I was right about Wuoshi's power drain.... Just open up ACT and look! </p></blockquote><p>So, aside from the fact that you're doing your absolute best to sound like a [Removed for Content], there were some interesting things in this post. </p><p>I was under the impression that no matter what damage type comes with the power drain, it is still mental based? I have never seen any other type than a mental one in my ACT logs (never killed Woushi either, but whatever)</p><p>Are you SURE that it's not mental?</p><p>Also, it's my experience that parry is alot easier to cap than defense, making Balletic alot better than the dirge parry song. Quirons doesn't do enough to be worth playing, except when soloing. </p><p>Spelling>me</p></blockquote> I'd put any resist song even if doesn't pertain to the mob before I'd put balletic.

[Mildavyn]

If the song doesn't pertain to the mob, then it's a wasted buff. +25 defense is a VERY nice buff when you're doing tough zones/mobs.

[vladsamier]

Paikis@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Slamdar@Kithicor wrote: <blockquote><p>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL</p><p>So the +hp regen in combat is making up for a slow healer? Quiron's for me in combat regenerates 2% hp/tick... Each tick is what every 6 seconds? In that time, a mystic could have almost cast another group heal by then.....</p><p>Wuoshi's power drain is NOT MENTAL YOU [I cannot control my vocabulary]. Mayong's IS, Wuoshi's IS NOT. For the Unicorn yes, this would be true, however Wuoshi no.</p><p>PHH- You use a way different strat, and a dirge would be better suited for an off tank grp anyways. Still don't think that balletic is worth it. Nor the HP regen, should be giving your dps more buffs rather than a tank who very marginally benefits form +defense compared to the + parry from a dirge.</p><p>And yeah, you're right... Chaotic Legion doesn't raid EoF content, and when they do they bench me. I am teh suck at the game.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Pst. I just double checked, and yes I was right about Wuoshi's power drain.... Just open up ACT and look! </p></blockquote><p>So, aside from the fact that you're doing your absolute best to sound like a [Removed for Content], there were some interesting things in this post. </p><p>I was under the impression that no matter what damage type comes with the power drain, it is still mental based? I have never seen any other type than a mental one in my ACT logs (never killed Woushi either, but whatever)</p><p>Are you SURE that it's not mental?</p><p>Also, it's my experience that parry is alot easier to cap than defense, making Balletic alot better than the dirge parry song. Quirons doesn't do enough to be worth playing, except when soloing. </p><p>Spelling>me</p></blockquote><p>Parry is harder to cap than defense.... Notice every freaking item has +defense on it, and very few pieces have +parry. Also, ALL TANK DEFENSIVE STANCES GIVE +DEFENSE, NOT +PARRY.... Only brawlers get a secondary avoidance modifier added to their defensive stance, but even that is not parry, its deflection. Just examine a lot of the tank gear, and you will see this. And Yes, I am 100% sure that it is NOT MENTAL. Just like the power drain on the x's 2 Crab is COLD NOT MENTAL, it can be completely avoided if a warden uses its grp heat/cold ward. <--- Should be a hint.</p><p> Edited to be less offensive <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cuz]

Paikis@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>If the song doesn't pertain to the mob, then it's a wasted buff. +25 defense is a VERY nice buff when you're doing tough zones/mobs.</blockquote> I'll have to respectfully disagree with you here. Back in the day + defense was really really awesome, when I quit, it wasn't so much...