Gambling

[dalponis]

How about we expand the areas in Qeynos/Freeport, etc. that house the lotto goblin, to allow the people to play games like Poker? If you're afraid of people abusing the system and creating gold, only allow Poker against other players, a la PvP. Do it like a real casino and make the game take 10% of the winnings away. That way even though money is moving around, the economy won't be too badly hurt. Heck, even make a limit on how high a bid can go. Sure, you could argue that this game is about crafting, hunting, questing, raiding... But I'd love for a nice poker add on to be made. I'd love to challenge other Kerra to a nice game of Poker. That would be uber sweet. To be able to rent out a poker table and play?

[Looker1010]

<cite>dalponis wrote:</cite><blockquote>How about we expand the areas in Qeynos/Freeport, etc. that house the lotto goblin, to allow the people to play games like Poker? If you're afraid of people abusing the system and creating gold, only allow Poker against other players, a la PvP. Do it like a real casino and make the game take 10% of the winnings away. That way even though money is moving around, the economy won't be too badly hurt. Heck, even make a limit on how high a bid can go. Sure, you could argue that this game is about crafting, hunting, questing, raiding... But I'd love for a nice poker add on to be made. I'd love to challenge other Kerra to a nice game of Poker. That would be uber sweet. To be able to rent out a poker table and play? </blockquote> You're right. This game is about crafting, hunting, questing, raiding. 'nuff said.

[dalponis]

Nice trollling. What kind of sword do you have? Pristine Cobalt Sword of Trolling? --- Seriously, it wouldn't hurt you any, don't use it. Other people may find it neat. I'd like it.

[dartie]

<p>If the devs have the time for it, I love the added complexity of games within games.   </p>

[Zodiak]

I remember when all that kind of stuff was promised pre-launch.  Its not a big loss IMO, but I can see how people would find it a good time killer.  (GO OUTSIDE! lol)

[Zabjade]

<p>Personally I'd put most of the gambeling on the Boats, give them a reason to have more of them in the game. Have the gambleing take place in a midzone with a zone marker you can disembark from if you want to avoid the gambeling.</p><p>Also let you wager your no-trade items you accidently looted because you were trying for an item and accidently hit "loot all" <img src="/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> also add a gambleing Merchant who lets you buy: Gambler clothing/Dice but you can do that anywhere(hmm haven't seen any good dice games with loot for the winner lately)/chess tables/Gems tables/Blackgnoll 21/ Poker or it's Norrathian variant/ and possibly for inflated prices some nice armor.</p>

[Brorimed]

<p>Poker in a fantasy game ?? </p><p>If youre so in love with poker open an ingame browser and join your favorite pokersite .</p><p>Jeeez .. Honestly DUH !!!</p>

[nadym]

I like the idea a lot. Dont really know what people has against new content. If they included a /browser ingame i dont think a 4 in line game would be to hard for them to program. Same with other games. Nice rewards, through points and a vendor that sells items after could motivate players to hang out more in inns

[Rokaab]

<p>I dont think it'll ever happen, it has been mentioned before and the problem comes from the fact that on the Exchange Servers where plat can legally be bought for real life dollars, this would be considered real-life gambling at which point then you get into real-life gambling laws which differ depending where you are and then you get all sorts of complexities cos its not legal to gamble in all places.</p>

[redde]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Also let you wager your no-trade items you accidently looted because you were trying for an item and accidently hit "loot all" <img src="/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote> No way would I EVER incorporate that rule. You'd just get more people rolling on stuff they don't need so they can gamble it away! But yeah I like the idea of an in-game game to whittle away those lazy hours as you form a group or just want to chat with your guildies. EQ1 had gems! EDIT: oh yeah and it would be nice to see people gathering some place other than the bank or the broker!

[TuinalOfTheNexus]

Rakk@Butcherblock wrote: <blockquote><p>I dont think it'll ever happen, it has been mentioned before and the problem comes from the fact that on the Exchange Servers where plat can legally be bought for real life dollars, this would be considered real-life gambling at which point then you get into real-life gambling laws which differ depending where you are and then you get all sorts of complexities cos its not legal to gamble in all places.</p></blockquote><p> One thing that I'm curious about, since I've never played on an exchange server, is do they have the Gigglegibber goblin lotto there? That's technically gambling, and as such I don't see how it would be exempt. Also, what about /duelbet...?</p><p>Getting back to the OP, the idea of PvP poker just seems... unpleasant. I can see it generating a lot of arguments, petitions, and let's remember a lot of kids play EQ2 and encouraging them to gamble against one another at an early age isn't exactly morally responsible. It's really very little different from the old /random 100 games people used to play before they were banned and GMs started hunting them down. And then there's that layer of abstraction from the real-world which stops you telling if the guy you're playing against is a 12-year old kid or some hardened Vegas pro-gambler who's discovered a profitable sideline in sharking then selling EQ2 plat.</p><p>I suppose something like roulette where the only winner is the house would be a better extension of the Gigglegibber system and at least give the many taverns and inns in EQ2 some kind of social focus. This I could see in some ways being a positive thing. It's really the RMT and real-world value of plat that makes such ventures so distasteful though. Believe me the bot farmers would be looking at gambling from every angle to see if they could turn a profit.</p>

[nadym]

I like to approach some of the ideas in a more general way. I understand the op maybe has not the time nor the motivation to write in his post a very detailed essay about how the games in game should be implemented, with all the ruleset, etc. But i would very much like to see some more new features from soe in that direction, some games (maybe innocent games) players could play when they want. I leave to the dev team to think all the good and bad aspects and to implement it so it does not hurt anybody.

[Looker1010]

<cite>dalponis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nice trollling. What kind of sword do you have? Pristine Cobalt Sword of Trolling? --- Seriously, it wouldn't hurt you any, don't use it. Other people may find it neat. I'd like it. </blockquote> It was not meant as a troll. My view is that you stated what this game is all about then went on to ask for gambling. I don't agree with that. A difference of opinion is NOT a troll.

[StormCinder]

<cite>TuinalOfTheNexus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Rakk@Butcherblock wrote: <blockquote><p>I dont think it'll ever happen, it has been mentioned before and the problem comes from the fact that on the Exchange Servers where plat can legally be bought for real life dollars, this would be considered real-life gambling at which point then you get into real-life gambling laws which differ depending where you are and then you get all sorts of complexities cos its not legal to gamble in all places.</p></blockquote><p> <span style="color: #ffcc00">One thing that I'm curious about, since I've never played on an exchange server, is do they have the Gigglegibber goblin lotto there? That's technically gambling, and as such I don't see how it would be exempt. Also, what about /duelbet...?</span></p><p>Getting back to the OP, the idea of PvP poker just seems... unpleasant. I can see it generating a lot of arguments, petitions, and let's remember a lot of kids play EQ2 and encouraging them to gamble against one another at an early age isn't exactly morally responsible. It's really very little different from the old /random 100 games people used to play before they were banned and GMs started hunting them down. And then there's that layer of abstraction from the real-world which stops you telling if the guy you're playing against is a 12-year old kid or some hardened Vegas pro-gambler who's discovered a profitable sideline in sharking then selling EQ2 plat.</p><p>I suppose something like roulette where the only winner is the house would be a better extension of the Gigglegibber system and at least give the many taverns and inns in EQ2 some kind of social focus. This I could see in some ways being a positive thing. It's really the RMT and real-world value of plat that makes such ventures so distasteful though. Believe me the bot farmers would be looking at gambling from every angle to see if they could turn a profit.</p></blockquote><p>I never thought about that.  It is an interesting point.  Since you can translate items into real cash, it does seem like real gambling.  Would be interested to hear more about that.</p><p>SC </p>

[dalponis]

Fine, don't allow exchange servers to play poker. But it would add some serious neatness and RP to be able to play poker...