I'm a female mouse not a male rat : )

[steelblueangel]

<p>Can you guys please make the female ratongas look like females? We lack the curves of a female lol and everyone calls my mouse a he, instead of, a she : ) With armor on and a flat chest there is little definition to show the gender of the ratongas. </p>

[Image_Vain]

How, very curious indeed. Tell, are you from planet earth?

[Krilinye]

<p>Put up a male ratonga and a female ratonga next to each other, very easy to see the difference; the females are usually bit thinner and actually does have some of them curvy forms *woowoo* while male ratongas are much more masculine.</p><p>Also, Rats irl (im not saying that EQ2 should be realistic) dont run around with a C cup.</p>

[Wrapye]

<cite>Krilinye wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Also, Rats irl (im not saying that EQ2 should be realistic) dont run around with a C cup.</p></blockquote>Nope, they tend to run around with three or four of them.

[Crinaeae]

I too would like to see the female ratonga with more feminine curves.  It would be nice to be able to look at someone's character and not wonder, is that a boy or a girl??  Your not going to usually have a male and female ratonga next to each other so you can tell the difference that way.  I'd also like to see the same for Frogloks.

[Wildmage]

I've never mistaken a female ratonga for a male their umm...assets are very visible from the front. 

[Image_Vain]

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[Velsha]

<cite>Image_Vain wrote:</cite><blockquote>How, very curious indeed. Tell, are you from planet earth? </blockquote> <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Just what we need... rats with [Removed for Content] jobs.

[azcandace]

<p>being a rat from the very beginning I have never had a problem with someone mistaking me for a male only time that happens is if the name looks like a dudes name. I thought the female ratongas looked fine. One of the few female models i like actually. </p>

[Araxes]

As I's will refers to thems ... our MICE are very, very feminines.  I's don't sees hows you cans not knows the difference!  Ratties haves muscles and are bigger.  Mouses are smaller, with bigger eyes and ears, smaller wrists, longer hands, and TINY waists!  yisyis

[Iseabeil]

I love my ratongas, 4 of my 5 'main' characters are ratongas, and one of the things I love with them is the modesty of their looks. If ratongan females started running with oversized butts and chest like some other elf theyd lose a big appeal to me. They are cute and a bit girlie now, instead of 'playmouse' of the month.

[Wildmage]

should point out I play gnomes so their at eye level for me now the large races might just see mice as some moveable bit of carpet around their knees lol.

[selch]

Put a female rat and male rat next to each other if you can touch them and try to understand difference from their frontal look if they are not over each other.

[nadym]

bah, rats should only be allowed in laboratorys <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Hamervelder]

<cite>Wrapye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krilinye wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Also, Rats irl (im not saying that EQ2 should be realistic) dont run around with a C cup.</p></blockquote>Nope, they tend to run around with three or four of them. </blockquote> LOL that was great!  Personally, I think female ratonga are cute. 

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

I am addicted to playing as a ratonga. I have about 10 of them. some male some female i don't care hehe. I honestly have to say that i wouldn't want huge jugs for breasts but yea i do think they need to be a tad bigger then they are. 1 size up? IT wouldn't hurt and would probably not be noticeable to most people anyway. Just enough to show they are female lol. When we are in robes it is really hard to tell even though we still look adorable in robes.

[Snowdonia]

I'm curious why a female is a "mouse" but the male is a "rat." Is a "rat" not good enough to be a female is it? *female and HATES mice but looooooooves rats, especially as pets*

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

i consider my females rats. after all it is called a RATonga ;p

[Naubeta]

In reality rats are much nicer than mice. They're intelligent and sociable, and clean if you look after them properly (they spend allot of time grooming themselves). Mice on the other hand don't really seem to attach to humans at all (they don't make good pets) and they have a very strong smell.

[Seraki]

<p>A rat or mouse IRL doesnt really have much to see that they are male or female unless you look in areas that we cant really show off with the T for Teen rating   <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />     LOL</p><p>The fact that the female ratonga have a more delicate frame I think is suggestive enough of their gender.  I love the basic body of both the ratonga genders.  Its one of the best model designs in the game and it looks like somebody really put some work into it.    The ear size option is really cool IMO because you have the choice of making your character look more like a rat (smaller ears) or more like a mouse ( large ears) in relation to the head. </p><p>What I dont like about the females is the way the eyes on most of the fur colors makes them look kind of sick with redness around the edge of the eyes.    I also dont like the fur pattern choices.  The dark colors hide a lot of the features of the models so they really are not expressed well.   I spent 2 hours I think tweaking grey up and down so I could have a pattern ( that was not zebra striped) and push the spots down from brown to grey and black.    The brown in the fur patterns that isnt solid or zebra stripped is too firm into the pattern and its hard to cover with out making the model details hard to see.  The male ratonga got some pretty patterns and the female didnt.  The males also didnt get the sick eye look.  In the back of my mind this bugs me.   </p><p>See a lot of white female ratonga running around?   That might be why lol.</p>

[steelblueangel]

<p>I have gotten a laugh out of some of the responses here lol <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>But on the serious side next time you see a ratonga in plate armor look to see if you can tell if the toon is male or female. If it was easy to distinguish between the male or female I would not get called "dude" all the time lol. </p><p>This is a list of my ratonga classes: guardian, swash, necro, dirge, warden, inquistor, monk, and a conjure. And I get called man, or dude, him, with all of them. </p><p>I agree with another poster on the eyes of females, they do look sickly. I also wish we could choose eye color of our ratongas. I would love to have the choice of green or blue eyes : ) with maybe long eyelashes. </p><p>Also someone stated size is the difference but one can make the male ratonga small in size as well. I have seen quite a few smaller male ratongas so that does not help. lol </p><p>I'm not asking for a drastic change but a few more curves would be nice. </p>

[Krilinye]

<p>Most people refer to others as Males regardless of ingame gender, unless they know different - guess alot of people just dont see girls playing this game that much and therefore just automatically consider someone who plays the game as being male *shrug*</p><p> EDIT:</p><p><img src="http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3963/meandnoirav4.jpg" border="0"></p><p>Biiiiiiig difference, agreed?</p><p><img src="http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8577/anghae8.jpg" border="0"></p><p><img src="http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4626/noirratfk4.jpg" border="0"></p><p>Had to lighten the last pic little, turned out incredible dark o.O</p><p>Bottomline is; there is ALOT of differences on these 2. Wont point them all out as im too lazy, but you should be able to see it just by skimming the 2 pictures.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

Yis Yis we Ratongas can tells each other aparts easy. It's you furless ones we's can't understands. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[littleman17]

The only bad thing I can think of about Ratongas is the way they wear robes... their little knees stick out and show the lameness that SOE turns your pants into upon wearing a robe.

[spikeki]

<p>roflmao @ nakaru-nitepaw i loved your post. </p><p>Especially concerning the furless ones hahahahaha</p>

[spikeki]

<p>I love the split robes that show the pants of the toons instead of the just the full robe graphic version. I especially like the way the robe moves when running (flapping effect) it looks realistic and awesome. </p>

[Snowdonia]

steelblueangel, If being called man, dude, m8, etc is your argument as indication that there isn't enough gender difference in the Ratonga (seeing that seems to be all you play with that many of them) then I have 6 characters of various elves and fairies that want to know why they receive the same treatment. You CANNOT miss the endowments of elves nor fairies, my characters do not have androgynous named, they are VERY apparently female, yet each one has been called any number of male references at one time or other. Heck, I've even been accused, flippantly, of being a guy-fem. O_O I've no doubt if one of my characters was a female Barbarian I would STILL get the same from some players. Long eyelashes????? By the Fates please no. I'll tell you what though, if SOE cave on something like this and give the female Ratongas (or any other female animalistic race for that matter) more endowment or whatnots to make them "appear" more female to some, I'm gonna be asking for the male Ratongas to be given their PROPER (ever seen a male rat? least that's not made up) endowments in the nether regions. What's good for the goose is good for the gander IMO. Vulgarity be spit on! I'll start the Organisation Against the Castration of Ratongan Males if I have to! Sound ridiculous? So does female Ratongans with larger hoohahs, curvaceous hips and long eyelashes.

[kitsuneshou]

<cite>Wrapye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krilinye wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Also, Rats irl (im not saying that EQ2 should be realistic) dont run around with a C cup.</p></blockquote>Nope, they tend to run around with three or four of them. </blockquote> LOL 6 I believe is the amount mammals have (aside from humans).

[Wildmage]

<cite>Krilinye wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Most people refer to others as Males regardless of ingame gender, unless they know different - guess alot of people just dont see girls playing this game that much and therefore just automatically consider someone who plays the game as being male *shrug*</p><p> EDIT:</p><p><img src="http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3963/meandnoirav4.jpg" border="0"></p><p>Biiiiiiig difference, agreed?</p><p><img src="http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8577/anghae8.jpg" border="0"></p><p><img src="http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4626/noirratfk4.jpg" border="0"></p><p>Had to lighten the last pic little, turned out incredible dark o.O</p><p>Bottomline is; there is ALOT of differences on these 2. Wont point them all out as im too lazy, but you should be able to see it just by skimming the 2 pictures.</p></blockquote>your pictures are deceiving, as  by only showing them sitting down you obscure the obviously feminine waistline hips and rear that ratonga females have, and yes leather and up armor tends to obscure the chest line on females, erudite females are in the same boat and I don't here them complaining.

[kitsuneshou]

I can tell the difference just fine... the chest size while quite tiny, isnt that big of a deal.. unless youve got larger than a c-cup, chainmail or anything heavy is going to flatten your chest somewhat. Males have a longer muzzle, are thicker in body, females are more petite, they have a narrow waist, and slender hands, and a larger butt; plus they have bewbies (lol). If we want realism, then why dont ratonga have 6 breast? <img src="/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (lol)

[Iseabeil]

<p>Female ratongas are slight of build, and when compaired to a male in 'live' they move a lot more gracefull. Male ratongas are much more muscular especially around chest and shoulder area somethin no slider can change as we can only affect the height of the character. Ive never played a ratonga in plate, but I have a warden, a monk, a swashbuckler, an illusionist and some other variants and each of them looks feminine. Ive had more /tells then I can count from people running by on how cute my ratonga looked, with clear indication they saw it was a she, and thats in cases where people that saw them might have had 10-15 seconds max before out of view.</p><p>Ratongas are one of them best made races as is, see how those kerra walks on their feet? We walk on our toes, and we have no hands, we have paws with tiny little claws on them. I guess it might be as we were a new race and the graphic team could use their whole imagination without being limited on how they 'used to look' as with those kerra that had existed as playable race previosly. The only issue I have with the ratongas is how we have no control at all over how we look in illusions, my favorite little ratonga (that *sigh* happens to be illusionist) goes from adorably furry to preposterously bald in any humanish illusion, and has done that for soon three years, one would think it would grow out someday o_O</p><p>As for the rat vs mouse thing.. I see my girls as 'mousetongas', Ive had mice as pets before and I find them much cuter then rats so when creating my characters I tried to get the features as mouseish as I could as I want them to look cute to me. The female ratonga body is more akin to mice the rats too with it slenderness. (Oh, and female mice do not smell, its only males, but their stink makes more then up for the lack of it in the females.. lol. And whilst they dont attach as well as bigger rodents they can be good pets, their short lifespan is the main reason I no longer have one.)</p>

[Amphibia]

<cite>Crinaeae wrote:</cite><blockquote>I too would like to see the female ratonga with more feminine curves.  It would be nice to be able to look at someone's character and not wonder, is that a boy or a girl??  Your not going to usually have a male and female ratonga next to each other so you can tell the difference that way.  <i>I'd also like to see the same for Frogloks.</i></blockquote>Nonono, please no boobies on my little froggy. She's supposed to look like an amphibian, not some mammal.... lol (I also never had any trouble telling the difference between female and male Ratonga, they're quite different.)

[Wildmage]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crinaeae wrote:</cite><blockquote>I too would like to see the female ratonga with more feminine curves.  It would be nice to be able to look at someone's character and not wonder, is that a boy or a girl??  Your not going to usually have a male and female ratonga next to each other so you can tell the difference that way.  <i>I'd also like to see the same for Frogloks.</i></blockquote>Nonono, please no boobies on my little froggy. She's supposed to look like an amphibian, not some mammal.... lol (I also never had any trouble telling the difference between female and male Ratonga, they're quite different.) </blockquote>Seconded on that  and keep the Iksar flat too good lord...

[littleman17]

<p>To Spike: While the showing knee thing gives Ratonga something unique on the usually boring robes, SOE did it ENTIRELY long. Regardless of what pants you are wearing under your robe, the pants that stick out are a dulled down tube pants version of which ever robe you have on. Like say I have on blue pants and put on a white robe, the knees that stick out end up being white, not blue. That is just lazy programming imo.</p><p>To the guy about giving Ratonga 6 [Removed for Content]: Could you imagine the effort it would take to make armor for female Ratonga? Need I say anymore? *pokes the effort bit*</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<cite>littleman17 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only bad thing I can think of about Ratongas is the way they wear robes... their little knees stick out and show the lameness that SOE turns your pants into upon wearing a robe.</blockquote> It's all abouts the legs yis yis. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[steelblueangel]

<p>littleman : )</p><p>my female ratonga has pretty legs <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> you's should's see's her in the fancy's party dress. vava voom <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Naubeta]

Wooe is much cuter than Naubitzi <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

Naubitzi@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>Wooe is much cuter than Naubitzi <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> Hehe i met Wooe yesterday. ^^ <--- Wolfee

[Oxie]

<cite>Wrapye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krilinye wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Also, Rats irl (im not saying that EQ2 should be realistic) dont run around with a C cup.</p></blockquote>Nope, they tend to run around with three or four of them. </blockquote><p>Same goes with cats; a lion/tiger/house cat all have a series of nipples to feed their litters. Same thing would go for the never seen female gnolls.</p><p>At least they didn't put [Removed for Content] on the frogs and lizards. That's all we need are the non-mammal creatures developing a mammary system to feed their egg-born young. </p>