donating personal status points to your guild

[steelblueangel]

<p>I would like the option to be able to donate my personal status points to my guild. Our guild is very small in both number and levels and being able to donate personal status points would allow it to achieve levels.</p><p>Our guild has been around awhile but it is still low in level. Many ppl have come though and used it to level their  toons, learn the game etc only to move onto established raiding guilds. Thus our guild has remained low in both toon level and guild level. </p><p>Small guilds cannot compete with raiding guilds that gain levels extremely fast through raiding when they have neither the number of ppl or the toon levels to raid. All small guilds have are hq's, writs, and status items. </p><p>Having the ability to donate personal status points would help to bridge the gap between smaller guilds and raiding guilds. Larger guilds have so much more to offer such as ability to raid, stat mounts, houses etc. The smaller guilds or new guilds cannot compete with that and therefore attract fewer ppl and lose many  as a result of these limitations. </p>

[Jal]

<cite>steelblueangel wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I would like the option to be able to donate my personal status points to my guild. Our guild is very small in both number and levels and being able to donate personal status points would allow it to achieve levels.</p><p>Our guild has been around awhile but it is still low in level. Many ppl have come though and used it to level their  toons, learn the game etc only to move onto established raiding guilds. Thus our guild has remained low in both toon level and guild level. </p><p>Small guilds cannot compete with raiding guilds that gain levels extremely fast through raiding when they have neither the number of ppl or the toon levels to raid. All small guilds have are hq's, writs, and status items. </p><p>Having the ability to donate personal status points would help to bridge the gap between smaller guilds and raiding guilds. Larger guilds have so much more to offer such as ability to raid, stat mounts, houses etc. The smaller guilds or new guilds cannot compete with that and therefore attract fewer ppl and lose many  as a result of these limitations. </p></blockquote>People usually go to small guilds because they want small guilds, everyones writs and HQ's now grant the same status it just takes effort of members to earn it.  Raiding is like anything in this game open to anyone if you have the time and inclination to take part, pickup raids (some) or the city guild raids provide status and the latter only requires 12 people.  Raid guilds (HC) raid 6 days a week mostly yet are still often beaten to the 1st plac to the new guild level cap because determined other guilds go hell for leather to get there.  If you truly believe raiding is the be all and end all to keep a guild growing and together then look at creating an alliance or run pickup raids yourself, raids do not hold a guild together though so id remove that misconception now. Personal status is completely separate to guild levelling so should never be mixed, your amount youve earned towards levelling is already shown your personal status is for you to spend.

[MadTexan3]

<cite>steelblueangel wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would like the option to be able to donate my personal status points to my guild. Our guild is very small in both number and levels and being able to donate personal status points would allow it to achieve levels.</blockquote><p>The current system already allows it to achieve levels, it just takes dedication and hard work. Logically, the more people you have helping the faster it will go.</p><p>steelblueangel wrote:</p><blockquote>Our guild has been around awhile but it is still low in level. Many ppl have come though and used it to level their  toons, learn the game etc only to move onto established raiding guilds. Thus our guild has remained low in both toon level and guild level. </blockquote><p>Lack of dedication/cohesiveness on the part of your members doesn't mean the current system is at fault.</p><p>steelblueangel wrote:</p><blockquote>Small guilds cannot compete with raiding guilds that gain levels extremely fast through raiding when they have neither the number of ppl or the toon levels to raid. All small guilds have are hq's, writs, and status items. </blockquote><p>You're not in direct competition with raiding guilds and if your members are leaving for larger guilds based purely on level do you really want that sort of player in your guild?</p><p>steelblueangel wrote: </p><blockquote>Having the ability to donate personal status points would help to bridge the gap between smaller guilds and raiding guilds. Larger guilds have so much more to offer such as ability to raid, stat mounts, houses etc. The smaller guilds or new guilds cannot compete with that and therefore attract fewer ppl and lose many  as a result of these limitations. </blockquote><p>If your proposal was accepted do you think the raiding guilds wouldn't use the new mechanic as well? The gap you speak of would still be there.</p>

[SisterTheresa]

<p>I can understand the frustration of leading/being in a smaller guild.  On my server (AB) we have The League <a href="http://eq2.mmo-league.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.mmo-league.org/</a> which is an alliance of small guilds getting together for raiding.  This is because none of these guilds have steadily enough members to raid often.</p><p>As far as status goes, I know writs are boring, but I don't think adding personal status is going to help much.  Even if you put that in ... then what?  Back to doing writs again.</p><p>One thing I realized being in a small guild is that it takes time and patience.  Our guild is level 50, but that was only through dedication and having writ events once a week.  Boring I know, but we made it a fun adventure.</p>

[MadTexan3]

My girlfriend just started a small 'solo'guild on Lucan (RP server) to represent her trading house. She knows it's going to take a lot of hard work on her part to level it, but that's the situation she had to accept when she decided to go it alone.

[steelblueangel]

<p>It would not matter that the larger guilds or raiding guilds used the option to donate personal status points. Most of the larger guilds are already maxed in lev or close to max. This would help the smaller guilds that struggle to be able to gain some levels to have extra bank slots and be able to purchase some status items such as mounts with stats, or larger apts. </p><p>And as far as losing players after you helped them level and taught them, then lose them to another guild; well, maybe they would stay if the smaller guilds could offer a little more in a shorter time. And the ppl that left the guild for larger guilds or raiding guilds were not bad ppl; in fact, they are still friends with the guild. However, they moved on to already established guilds because they wanted to be involved in other areas of the game that our guild could just not provide. </p><p>Not all guilds want to raid or have the ability to raid, and there are only so many hq's to complete to get status points. Doing writs is a slow go and we all know that. And when you lose members quicker than you can join them it really becomes a struggle. </p><p>Raiding guilds would lose nothing by the option to donate personal status points; in fact they would be able to progress quicker as well and then concentrate only on raiding or other game play. They would not lose members to smaller guilds since smaller guilds have neither the toon level or number of ppl to even begin a raid without outside assistance. All this would do would be to allow smaller guilds an opportunity to buy stat horses, houses, and get the extra bank slots. So it would be a win situation for everyone. Also not all guild members would be willing to give thier personal status points so the factor of enchanced growth would depend on members donations. </p><p>Someone stated that guild level is earned through hard work and I agree since personal status points are earned through hard work and a fraction of those points is alotted to the guild level. So allowing someone to donate personal status points still requires the same amount of work with the exception that the guild could be given more points rather than to the player upon donation.</p>

[DarrkElf]

<p>In a small guild the fastest way to get guild status outside of raiding is:</p><p>Form up as many full groups as you can with your guildmates</p><p>All go and grab the same 4 sets of writs</p><p>Go to whichever zone your writs are for and burn down the mobs - this happens real quick if you have 4-6 players per group, and you each get an update for each thing killed as long as your group sticks together</p><p>Rinse and repeat until your guild hits the cap</p>

[KunamitsuUK]

<p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman">I founded a guild on Splitpaw over a year ago that is now classed as one of the "large" ones, being a leader at times was more stressful than my day to day job due to the polotics and occasional breakdown in communication!</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small; font-family: Times New Roman">I took a break from EQ2 at the start of this year but came back after a month as I missed it, however I did not want to get back into large guild life again so me and a friend started a 2 man guild which we have gotten to a decent level within weeks, always good to have a 70 complete a run of Bonemire Writs for a great jump in guild levels, we hit 10 in an evening, now we are happy with the levelling as it happens.</span></p>

[MrWolfie]

<p>I am in a small family guild (three of us in total). With my first couple of characters I was in large guilds and all my HQ status (and early writting) went to building those up. Since we formed the new guild,  mainly two of us have done writs, and we're almost level 40.</p><p>It is hard work, but not completely un-achievable. Leave guild status the way it is.</p>

[Jal]

Allowing SP donation would be a huge difference in speed of levelling.  If you look at your totals for how much youve contributed to the guild and then at your personal status you can see the problem quite bltantly. For me ive contributed just over 400k and ive been with the guild since level 40 did a huge grind for level 50 and a fair bit for 60 including HQ's and raids.  My personal status is urrently 3.8 mill odd ive spent 400k+ on a horse, 160k odd on formal clothing, 1.25mill on the lord title and god knows how much on various status furniture from the city merchant and the dismal rage and seafury buccaneer titles (up to tier 4) and furniture not to mention consumables for raids. If everyone could donate this bulk of status to the guild they would level insanely fast and it would make the whole guild level thing utterly worthless.

[deKoven]

Hmmm, a related question; I thought that you needed five or six players to create a guild. I did go to the guild registrar and I thought that was the message I got. Is this not true? Would love to have created my own. <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rokaab]

Toparssh@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote>Hmmm, a related question; I thought that you needed five or six players to create a guild. I did go to the guild registrar and I thought that was the message I got. Is this not true? Would love to have created my own. <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>You do need 6 to create a guild but they are not required to stay, so if you want to create a guild just for two people you get those 2 people and get 4 other random people who are willing to help you create a guild for 5 mins, they then disband and you have your 2 person guild.

[TheBu]

<p>the guild get a % of all the status u earn. wether it be writ or not</p><p>Allowing it to have some of ur personal staus would be double dipping. </p>

[thebunny]

<cite>steelblueangel wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And as far as losing players after you helped them level and taught them, then lose them to another guild; well, maybe they would stay if the smaller guilds could offer a little more in a shorter time. And the ppl that left the guild for larger guilds or raiding guilds were not bad ppl; in fact, they are still friends with the guild. However, they moved on to already established guilds because they wanted to be involved in other areas of the game that our guild could just not provide. </p> </blockquote><p>Not trying to criticize your point of view, but how exactly would helping your guild level faster alleviate the issue you have with people leaving your guild for other guilds?  You said they left because they wanted to be involved in other areas of the game that your guild could not provide.  What areas of the game did they want to pursue that have anything to do with guild levels?  If they left because they wanted to buy a level 60 mount or live at 4 Bayle Court, then I'd seriously question their motivation for being in a guild in the first place.</p><p>Honestly there isn't that much benefit to having a higher level guild.  Sure you have some fancy mounts, and new housing options, and most importantly the satisfaction of building your guild up.  But as far as game content is concerned, someone in a level 1 guild can do the exact same things as someone in a level 60 guild.</p>

[selch]

<p>I support personal status to be donated to guilds if a person wants to with rule with "only to be donated is status points you gained since you joined guild"</p>

[KunamitsuUK]

<cite>thebunny wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>steelblueangel wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And as far as losing players after you helped them level and taught them, then lose them to another guild; well, maybe they would stay if the smaller guilds could offer a little more in a shorter time. And the ppl that left the guild for larger guilds or raiding guilds were not bad ppl; in fact, they are still friends with the guild. However, they moved on to already established guilds because they wanted to be involved in other areas of the game that our guild could just not provide. </p> </blockquote><p>Not trying to criticize your point of view, but how exactly would helping your guild level faster alleviate the issue you have with people leaving your guild for other guilds?  You said they left because they wanted to be involved in other areas of the game that your guild could not provide.  What areas of the game did they want to pursue that have anything to do with guild levels?  If they left because they wanted to buy a level 60 mount or live at 4 Bayle Court, then I'd seriously question their motivation for being in a guild in the first place.</p><p>Honestly there isn't that much benefit to having a higher level guild.  Sure you have some fancy mounts, and new housing options, and most importantly the satisfaction of building your guild up.  But as far as game content is concerned, someone in a level 1 guild can do the exact same things as someone in a level 60 guild.</p></blockquote>Agree, only reason my friend and I set up our little 2 man guild was to have extra/shared bank slots and the ability to do writs for city faction.

[Siltha]

Since I am a status junkie and sitting on roughly 19 million personal status I would love to be able to donate some of it to help level the guild I am currently in. An easy solution would be to have the town vendors sell status tokens: For instance you buy a status token for one million personal status and turn it in at the town registrar for 100 000 (or 50 000) guild status. By using an exchange rate of 1:10 or 1:20 even you would give people an option to donate their und used personal status without breaking the guild level system, since it's quite similar to buying looted status items from other players. 

[steelblueangel]

That is an excellent suggestion Siltha!!! That would be great.

[phoenixshard]

The main problem with that idea is that the guild is getting status points twice from the same status points they already had received. That is not a good thing to have happen.

[Gladiia]

<p>If you are wanting to donate more status points without grinding more writs or HQs, then buy status items off the broker - and by doing so you will indeed be making a sacrifice and contribution.  Of course this is expensive if you are trying to level a guild past 10 as those status items don't do a whole lot, but really any other way just doesn't even come close to seeming right.  </p><p> As has been said before, donating psp would be 'double dipping' and it just doesn't seem right that the smaller guilds should be able to jump up to max level (because this would end up happening a lot more with the allowance of psp donations) that easily.  I am in a small guild as well, and there are things I am excited to see our guild get as we progress.  So it isn't that I don't want to see a small guild get to a high level, I just feel that if the guild is going to stay small, it should take longer...much.</p>

[KunamitsuUK]

Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote><p>If you are wanting to donate more status points without grinding more writs or HQs, then buy status items off the broker - and by doing so you will indeed be making a sacrifice and contribution.  Of course this is expensive if you are trying to level a guild past 10 as those status items don't do a whole lot, but really any other way just doesn't even come close to seeming right.  </p><p> As has been said before, donating psp would be 'double dipping' and it just doesn't seem right that the smaller guilds should be able to jump up to max level (because this would end up happening a lot more with the allowance of psp donations) that easily.  I am in a small guild as well, and there are things I am excited to see our guild get as we progress.  So it isn't that I don't want to see a small guild get to a high level, I just feel that if the guild is going to stay small, it should take longer...much.</p></blockquote> That is an idea, I remember when my first guild was nearing the 30 mark and we were in competition to be the one to level the guild, some of the more affluent members spent a lot of plat on relics etc to get the ding, last time i checked (for same reason) the blackened relics were starting at 56s each going up to a gold. I found it easier to nuke grey mobs as they tend to drop 1 for every 5-10 killed. (CL or Ant)

[Finora]

<cite>steelblueangel wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It would not matter that the larger guilds or raiding guilds used the option to donate personal status points. Most of the larger guilds are already maxed in lev or close to max. This would help the smaller guilds that struggle to be able to gain some levels to have extra bank slots and be able to purchase some status items such as mounts with stats, or larger apts. </p><p><b><span style="color: #996699">Smaller guilds used to have an advantage, this lead to abuses of the system, people booting 'non-contributers' from the guild, and people in small friendly guilds in the position where they either leave friends on the roster that hadn't played in a while and level slower or boot them and hope they understand when they get back and level faster. Not a nice position to be in.</span></b></p><p>And as far as losing players after you helped them level and taught them, then lose them to another guild; well, maybe they would stay if the smaller guilds could offer a little more in a shorter time. And the ppl that left the guild for larger guilds or raiding guilds were not bad ppl; in fact, they are still friends with the guild. However, they moved on to already established guilds because they wanted to be involved in other areas of the game that our guild could just not provide. </p><p><b><span style="color: #996699">As a member of a guild that's gone from being a small group of people who were friends/family guild(notall of us knew each other pre EQ1) who moved to EQ2 from EQ1, who's now begun doing some KOS raids on the weekend I can tell you that it is the quality of the people you bring into your guild that matters more than the number. Over the years we've slowly brought in more people and we've only lost 2? I think to raiding guilds in this game. And both of them actually eventually came back to us. Being in a good guild isn't about the guild's level or the big houses titles and such. It's about the people you are with. </span></b></p><p>Not all guilds want to raid or have the ability to raid, and there are only so many hq's to complete to get status points. Doing writs is a slow go and we all know that. And when you lose members quicker than you can join them it really becomes a struggle. </p><p><b><span style="color: #996699">If you really want to get guild levels, organize writ raids (I don't necessarily mean the city raids either, though if you can do those those are great). Set a date and make groups by level and have everyone in the groups get the same writs, then proceed to bust out the writs. My guild did this when we decided to push to 30 and it worked wonders for the guild level. We are currently debating doing it again to push on to 60.</span></b></p><p>Raiding guilds would lose nothing by the option to donate personal status points; in fact they would be able to progress quicker as well and then concentrate only on raiding or other game play. They would not lose members to smaller guilds since smaller guilds have neither the toon level or number of ppl to even begin a raid without outside assistance. All this would do would be to allow smaller guilds an opportunity to buy stat horses, houses, and get the extra bank slots. So it would be a win situation for everyone. Also not all guild members would be willing to give thier personal status points so the factor of enchanced growth would depend on members donations. </p><p>Someone stated that guild level is earned through hard work and I agree since personal status points are earned through hard work and a fraction of those points is alotted to the guild level. So allowing someone to donate personal status points still requires the same amount of work with the exception that the guild could be given more points rather than to the player upon donation.</p><p><b><span style="color: #996699">The problem I see with this is it's potential for abuse. There's surely some way it would be abused. The system we have currently is fair. It may not be equal across the number of people on the guild roster, but it is fair. Your guild gets 10% of whatever you earn. It works out well. Even in guilds with a lot of people in them, I can nearly guarentee that the individual contributions are not equal, and that a few have contributed the lions share to the guild's level.</span></b></p><p><b><span style="color: #996699">The 10% no matter what was actually partially to fix the whole "man, my buddy Joe hasn't logged on in a month, should I boot him from the guild or just deal with the dead wait for a little longer to see if he's coming back" we had when status contributed was divided by the number of active accounts etc etc. That system actually gave guilds of 6 people or so a huge advantage.</span></b></p></blockquote>