Harvesting. The cause of, and solution to, so many of life's problems.

[Thunderthyze]

<p>How many times do we hear the whine about how much rares cost on the broker?</p><p>/whine on</p><p><span style="color: #339900">Palladium/ebon/rough coral/etc costs so much more than the next tier up!</span></p><p>/whine off</p><p>Maybe it's because demand outstrips supply??</p><p>/whine on</p><p><span style="color: #339900">Low level caster master spells cost too much!</span></p><p>/whine off</p><p>Oh let's think, the cost of producing adept 3's (by buying the rare) is so high that the master price needs to be inflated in order to maintain the price/utility differential??</p><p>Palladium is a case in point. Used for T3 mage adepts AS WELL AS palladium bangles/torques for the hertitage quest. Result...A LOT of demand....problem?....VERY FEW people demean themselves to harvest TS/Nek, therefore supply desperately low.</p><p>I will allocate one day a week, maybe an hour or two at most and harvest ONE tier between T3~T7. This will usually garner me around 3 rares an hour. If I'm lucky (as I'm harvesting every type of node....yes INCLUDING bushes!) it will include rares I can immediately use. If not then I will either bank them for use in the near future or else broker them in order to subsidise purchases of the rares I DO need. While I'm doing this I can chat with my guildies, attend to other real world issues like opening the mail, make phone calls etc....it is not time wasted.</p><p>The people who constantly complain about broker prices have a viable alternative method of obtaining rare harvests if they can't afford to buy them. They can get them for free by investing a little time harvesting. If they chose to ignore this as they may deem it beneath them then I suggest they stop whining. </p><p>There is no requirement for a low level character to be kitted out fully in mastercrafted or fabled gear/spells in order to function. My Warden got to level 20 in record time with just apprentice 1 abilities. Just play the game and stop comparing dick sizes!</p>

[Karlen]

I would offer some advice to non-crafters:  Take a moment and look at prices for harvestables on the broker.  Succulent Roots (Tier 6) were at least 64s each on the broker on my server last night.  At that price, it is worthwhile for just about anyone to go out and do some harvesting.  At 64s, you get could get 32 gold per stack.

[steelblueangel]

good luck harvesting those succulent roots since the root nodes are few and far between. Not bad unless u are grinding out a t6 level then get ready for hours upon hours of harvesting the succulent roots to have enough to grind out just a few levs then go back to harvesting again. And yes that includes harvesting every thing in sight to make the root nodes spawn, which is why they are so expensive they are an extreme time consuming harvest item.

[Karlen]

>>>good luck harvesting those succulent roots since the root nodes are few and far between.<<< I found quite a few in Pillars of Flame last night and in Lesser Faydark.  I did a quick pass of each and ended up with several stacks.

[MysidiaDrakkenbane]

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: <blockquote><p>How many times do we hear the whine about how much rares cost on the broker?</p><p>/whine on</p><p><span style="color: #339900">Palladium/ebon/rough coral/etc costs so much more than the next tier up!</span></p><p>/whine off</p><p>Maybe it's because demand outstrips supply??</p><p>/whine on</p><p><span style="color: #339900">Low level caster master spells cost too much!</span></p><p>/whine off</p><p>Oh let's think, the cost of producing adept 3's (by buying the rare) is so high that the master price needs to be inflated in order to maintain the price/utility differential??</p><p>Palladium is a case in point. Used for T3 mage adepts AS WELL AS palladium bangles/torques for the hertitage quest. Result...A LOT of demand....problem?....VERY FEW people demean themselves to harvest TS/Nek, therefore supply desperately low.</p><p>I will allocate one day a week, maybe an hour or two at most and harvest ONE tier between T3~T7. This will usually garner me around 3 rares an hour. If I'm lucky (as I'm harvesting every type of node....yes INCLUDING bushes!) it will include rares I can immediately use. If not then I will either bank them for use in the near future or else broker them in order to subsidise purchases of the rares I DO need. While I'm doing this I can chat with my guildies, attend to other real world issues like opening the mail, make phone calls etc....it is not time wasted.</p><p>The people who constantly complain about broker prices have a viable alternative method of obtaining rare harvests if they can't afford to buy them. They can get them for free by investing a little time harvesting. If they chose to ignore this as they may deem it beneath them then I suggest they stop whining. </p><p>There is no requirement for a low level character to be kitted out fully in mastercrafted or fabled gear/spells in order to function. My Warden got to level 20 in record time with just apprentice 1 abilities. Just play the game and stop comparing [I cannot control my vocabulary] sizes!</p></blockquote>*small interjection* Umm... It doesn't demean me to harvest from TS. That's where I make the bulk of my money.

[DngrMou]

Karlen@Befallen wrote: <blockquote>>>>good luck harvesting those succulent roots since the root nodes are few and far between.<<< I found quite a few in Pillars of Flame last night and in Lesser Faydark.  I did a quick pass of each and ended up with several stacks. </blockquote>Shhh.  I make quite a bit of money harvesting and selling those so far and few between root nodes.  I don't want the truth that these are actually quite easy to find getting out.  It would have a very negative impact on the cushy in-game life to which I have become accustomed.

[Karlen]

>>>It would have a very negative impact on the cushy in-game life to which I have become accustomed.<<< The fact that roots were so expensive was having a negative impact on my cushy in-game life (I haven't really done much harvesting from T4-T6).  I'd sooner more people know about it so more roots will be available.   We are a LONG way from having too much supply.

[Krilinye]

Off topic; harvesting isnt alcohol :/ <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[EpokSilvermo]

Isn't it relatively easy nowadays to harvest the rares you need? With Faydwer and Darklight Wood we now have at least one zone for each tier with non random nodes. No more harvesting everything to be fair and to make that spawn what you need. Additionally you can shorten your harvest time (by a lot) and increase your chance for rares (by a little) by using Tinkerer made harvest tools and by harvesting tiers way below your skill.

[SisterTheresa]

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: <blockquote><p>How many times do we hear the whine about how much rares cost on the broker?</p><p>/whine on</p><p><span style="color: #339900">Palladium/ebon/rough coral/etc costs so much more than the next tier up!</span></p><p>/whine off</p><p>Maybe it's because demand outstrips supply??</p><p>/whine on</p><p><span style="color: #339900">Low level caster master spells cost too much!</span></p><p>/whine off</p><p><span style="color: #0099ff">True it may be demand is high, but the fact is also just the amount of money people put it on the broker for.  As Transmuting came about, prices soared for many things, even for some scrolls that could be player made as they could be transmuted.  And yes, I do agree that many people set the price of their goods according to what it cost to buy the raw materials, but many who are strict crafters do not have the adventure levels to travel to the places to get the needed harvests.</span></p><p><span style="color: #0099ff">Oh there is ways around it: Make an alt, get a guildmate or friend to harvest for you, etc.</span></p><p><span style="color: #0099ff">There really is no true solution (though I agree that many people should get out there and harvest more).  The major player in this all is the broker prices, and so much trash on the broker.</span></p><p><span style="color: #0099ff">If anyone can find a solution to that, I'll be happy <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p></blockquote>

[xguild]

<p>I'm sure I'm going to get flamed here but I seriously don't see a problem here at all.  If I'm understanding the complaints correctly, people don't like the prices that other people put certain crafting items for on the market?  What exactly is the problem?  I mean, generaly speaking, in real life and in game, when I don't like the price of something I simply don't buy it.  I find either a work around, or I simply learn to live without it.  I mean I think mounts are too expensive, but I can't do jack about it so I simply live without one, or I save up and buy it at the price that it costs to buy it.</p><p> Economics are very very simple in this game.  People put things on sale and other people buy them.  The price of something is determined by the people that buy the item, not by the people that sell them.  Because if something doesn't sell, it won't be on sale on the market for very long.</p><p> You couldnt' ask for a more fair and simple system.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<cite>xguild wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm sure I'm going to get flamed here but I seriously don't see a problem here at all.  If I'm understanding the complaints correctly, people don't like the prices that other people put certain crafting items for on the market?  What exactly is the problem?  I mean, generaly speaking, in real life and in game, when I don't like the price of something I simply don't buy it.  I find either a work around, or I simply learn to live without it.  I mean I think mounts are too expensive, but I can't do jack about it so I simply live without one, or I save up and buy it at the price that it costs to buy it.</p><p> Economics are very very simple in this game.  People put things on sale and other people buy them.  The price of something is determined by the people that buy the item, not by the people that sell them.  Because if something doesn't sell, it won't be on sale on the market for very long.</p><p> You couldnt' ask for a more fair and simple system.</p></blockquote> You raise a good point. Don't like it don't buy it. Thats how i been doing things. My work around for the mount issue was kinda handed to me easily. I don't need a mount because i'm a warden and can add AAs to my Spirit of the Wolf to bring it to 45% run speed and wear jboots. ;p Totally free. A 2 room house is good enough for me, i don't need to waste unnecessary plat on a 5 room. As for harvestables, the only reason things cost so much is because people buy them for that much. Simply go out and get your own for free and you got nothing to complain about. When i needed palladium for my HQ i simply bought a cheap one for 15 gold. I could have easily went to TS and spent a few hours getting my own but it wasn't a lot to spend. However for someone with not a lot of money the best option is to harvest it. I agree it is ridiculous seeing t1 normal harvestables being sold for almost 1 gold. I could easily hop down from kelethin and get my own as a level 1 toon and be rich lol...

[Raveller]

Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: <blockquote><p>How many times do we hear the whine about how much rares cost on the broker?</p><p>/whine on</p><p><span style="color: #339900">Palladium/ebon/rough coral/etc costs so much more than the next tier up!</span></p><p>/whine off</p><p>Maybe it's because demand outstrips supply??</p><p>/whine on</p><p><span style="color: #339900">Low level caster master spells cost too much!</span></p><p>/whine off</p><p>Oh let's think, the cost of producing adept 3's (by buying the rare) is so high that the master price needs to be inflated in order to maintain the price/utility differential??</p><p>Palladium is a case in point. Used for T3 mage adepts AS WELL AS palladium bangles/torques for the hertitage quest. Result...A LOT of demand....problem?....VERY FEW people demean themselves to harvest TS/Nek, therefore supply desperately low.</p><p>I will allocate one day a week, maybe an hour or two at most and harvest ONE tier between T3~T7. This will usually garner me around 3 rares an hour. If I'm lucky (as I'm harvesting every type of node....yes INCLUDING bushes!) it will include rares I can immediately use. If not then I will either bank them for use in the near future or else broker them in order to subsidise purchases of the rares I DO need. While I'm doing this I can chat with my guildies, attend to other real world issues like opening the mail, make phone calls etc....it is not time wasted.</p><p>The people who constantly complain about broker prices have a viable alternative method of obtaining rare harvests if they can't afford to buy them. They can get them for free by investing a little time harvesting. If they chose to ignore this as they may deem it beneath them then I suggest they stop whining. </p><p>There is no requirement for a low level character to be kitted out fully in mastercrafted or fabled gear/spells in order to function. My Warden got to level 20 in record time with just apprentice 1 abilities. Just play the game and stop comparing [I cannot control my vocabulary] sizes!</p></blockquote><p>While it is true that it is not necessary to upgrade everything to Mastercrafted/Ad3 for levels 1 to 9 or 10 to 19, once you reach 20 the importance of your gear is greatly increased and by the time you reach late 20s or early 30s, gear becomes very, very important. That's why the price of feysteel is astronomical. Fortunately by the time you reach your 50s, enough players have given up on that alt they thought they wanted to play and the demand cools down a bit.</p><p>Also, bear in mind that the gear demands of characters does vary by class. Some classes are definately more gear dependent than others.</p><p>As for the 'just go harvest it yourself' argument, different players have different constraints on the time they have available to play. Telling someone who has limited play time that they have to spend all of that time harvesting instead of playing the game is basically telling them not to bother with playing at all.  </p>

[Raveller]

<cite>xguild wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm sure I'm going to get flamed here but I seriously don't see a problem here at all.  If I'm understanding the complaints correctly, people don't like the prices that other people put certain crafting items for on the market?  What exactly is the problem?  I mean, generaly speaking, in real life and in game, when I don't like the price of something I simply don't buy it.  I find either a work around, or I simply learn to live without it.  I mean I think mounts are too expensive, but I can't do jack about it so I simply live without one, or I save up and buy it at the price that it costs to buy it.</p><p> Economics are very very simple in this game.  People put things on sale and other people buy them.  The price of something is determined by the people that buy the item, not by the people that sell them.  Because if something doesn't sell, it won't be on sale on the market for very long.</p><p> You couldnt' ask for a more fair and simple system.</p></blockquote><p>Is this your official entry in the Stupidest Forum Post 2007 competition, or are you just practicing? </p><p>This is a game, not real life. Any comparison of the broker system in this game and real world economics is laughable. In the real world, there are real costs involved in distributing goods. In EQ2 it costs absolutely nothing to list items on the broker at whatever fee you choose. This is the biggest flaw in the borked up broker system (which must have been designed by a dev who is a true idiot). </p><p>That's a problem that could be easily and quickly solved by charging sellers a non-refundable fee of 20% of listing price at the time the item is put up for sale. Yes, everyone would increase their listing price to make up for the listing fee, but if you want to sell a T3 item for 2plat, you'll have to pony up 40gp to do so. And changing the price of an item should be processed as a new listing, so you'd get to pay the 20% fee again.</p><p>Why do you use mounts as an example of anything. The price of mounts are fixed by the devs and do not fluctuate. Mounts are not a player sold item. Do you even play this game?</p>

[liveja]

<cite>Raveller wrote:</cite><blockquote>In EQ2 it costs absolutely nothing to list items on the broker at whatever fee you choose. This is the biggest flaw in the borked up broker system</blockquote><p>Why, precisely, do you think this is a "flaw"?</p>

[Raveller]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raveller wrote:</cite><blockquote>In EQ2 it costs absolutely nothing to list items on the broker at whatever fee you choose. This is the biggest flaw in the borked up broker system</blockquote><p>Why, precisely, do you think this is a "flaw"?</p></blockquote>It <strike>encourages</strike> stimulates inflation.

[liveja]

<cite>Raveller wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raveller wrote:</cite><blockquote>In EQ2 it costs absolutely nothing to list items on the broker at whatever fee you choose. This is the biggest flaw in the borked up broker system</blockquote><p>Why, precisely, do you think this is a "flaw"?</p></blockquote>It <strike>encourages</strike> stimulates inflation. </blockquote><p> Human nature encourages & stimulates "inflation", which in & of itself is not inherently "bad".</p><p>The auction house in WoW charges a broker fee to put stuff up for auction, yet there have never been any appreciable effects on "inflation", & in fact, lots of people have always complained about the "over-priced" auction house items. So it would seem that adding broker fees is not necessarily the way to combat the "inflation" you're worried about.</p><p>I'm failing to see the issue.</p>

[DarrkElf]

<p>Umm - for those saying there are too few succulent root nodes.... you are looking in the wrong places.</p><p>I don't really bother crafting much, but I do harvest.  Much of the belief that there are 'few nodes' for that tier comes from only looking in the same places.  Explore explore explore every zone and keep in mind which types of nodes you see in different areas, then just head back there when you're harvesting.</p>

[Syndic]

<cite>steelblueangel wrote:</cite><blockquote>good luck harvesting those succulent roots since the root nodes are few and far between. Not bad unless u are grinding out a t6 level then get ready for hours upon hours of harvesting the succulent roots to have enough to grind out just a few levs then go back to harvesting again. And yes that includes harvesting every thing in sight to make the root nodes spawn, which is why they are so expensive they are an extreme time consuming harvest item. </blockquote> I actually had 1 character running around PoF and the other Twin Tears in SS and got 1300 in 3 hours, the one I'm having problems with is Pelts,  the nodes is just as rare as the root and you seem to get the meat more than the pelt, I ended up with 4 times as much meat or pelts.  So walked away with 1300 roots and 400 pelts for a crafter that uses equal amounts of each resource.

[Lortet]

<p>Yes - I am one of those gougers with overpriced rares on the broker. Reason is twofold. One, I don't really want to sell them, but if someone is silly enough to pay more for the rare (that will get me an Adept3) than I can buy the equivalent Master, good luck to them (and if they don't sell, I use them to make the Adept 3 instead). Two - like everything else in the broker - when you buy and sell on the same system you are effectively bartering (with a 10-40% commission if you don't go to the room of the seller) - so if I can sell my surplus palladium for the same as a steel cluster that I really need it doesn't really matter if they were both priced at 40g. </p><p>Inflation matters a lot if you have a fixed or slowly growing income. If your own income is tied to the same market as you buy from, inflation won't make any difference to you at all. If you sit back and watch the market but don't play in it you will get burned.</p><p>T6 harvesting - agree - roots aren't the problem, it's the pelts. Root nodes give roots, Dens give two types of meat or pelts - i run out of pelts all the time.</p>

[Karlen]

<p><span style="color: #99ff00">>>>In EQ2 it costs absolutely nothing to list items on the broker at whatever fee you choose. This is the biggest flaw in the borked up broker system (which must have been designed by a dev who is a true idiot). </span></p><p><span style="color: #99ff00">That's a problem that could be easily and quickly solved by charging sellers a non-refundable fee of 20% of listing price at the time the item is put up for sale.<<<</span></p>Since I disagree that you have identified a problem, I certainly disagree with your solution to that non-problem. There is a cost to list items on the broker -- the use of that broker slot that could be filled with something else to sell.  For those with lots of broker slots, there is also the cost of rent for a bigger house (which in my case, for example, means I have to go out at least once a week and do a round of writs to earn status). If you charge a price that is too high, then noone will buy your items.  If people do buy your items, then your price is by definition not too high. If I am buying something, I look at the price being charged and ask myself if I really want the item enough to pay that price, or is the price sufficiently high that I would be better off going to harvest (kill, quest, etc) myself to get the item.  At some point, the item becomes high enough in price that I might go out and harvest it just to sell it at that price (for example, succulent roots) even if I have no need myself. When you complain about too high prices, what you are saying is that your time is worth more than someone else's time.  "You should be paid for your harvesting time by selling that rare to me for 35g, but I am not willing to harvest to get that rare and only get 35g for it."

[Karlen]

>>>Yes - I am one of those gougers with overpriced rares on the broker. Reason is twofold. One, I don't really want to sell them<<< Good point.  I'll often put up rares (and regular raws) that I might need later up at a ridiculous price.  If someone really wants a lumbered ebony and wants to pay 1p for it, they are welcome to it -- I'll pick up a replacement for 45-50g later when I need it.    But I'll eventually want to make something from that ebony, so if it doesn't sell that's ok too.

[erin]

<cite>Raveller wrote:</cite><blockquote>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote: <blockquote><p>How many times do we hear the whine about how much rares cost on the broker?</p><p>/whine on</p><p><span style="color: #339900">Palladium/ebon/rough coral/etc costs so much more than the next tier up!</span></p><p>/whine off</p><p>Maybe it's because demand outstrips supply??</p><p>/whine on</p><p><span style="color: #339900">Low level caster master spells cost too much!</span></p><p>/whine off</p><p>Oh let's think, the cost of producing adept 3's (by buying the rare) is so high that the master price needs to be inflated in order to maintain the price/utility differential??</p><p>Palladium is a case in point. Used for T3 mage adepts AS WELL AS palladium bangles/torques for the hertitage quest. Result...A LOT of demand....problem?....VERY FEW people demean themselves to harvest TS/Nek, therefore supply desperately low.</p><p>I will allocate one day a week, maybe an hour or two at most and harvest ONE tier between T3~T7. This will usually garner me around 3 rares an hour. If I'm lucky (as I'm harvesting every type of node....yes INCLUDING bushes!) it will include rares I can immediately use. If not then I will either bank them for use in the near future or else broker them in order to subsidise purchases of the rares I DO need. While I'm doing this I can chat with my guildies, attend to other real world issues like opening the mail, make phone calls etc....it is not time wasted.</p><p>The people who constantly complain about broker prices have a viable alternative method of obtaining rare harvests if they can't afford to buy them. They can get them for free by investing a little time harvesting. If they chose to ignore this as they may deem it beneath them then I suggest they stop whining. </p><p>There is no requirement for a low level character to be kitted out fully in mastercrafted or fabled gear/spells in order to function. My Warden got to level 20 in record time with just apprentice 1 abilities. Just play the game and stop comparing [I cannot control my vocabulary] sizes!</p></blockquote><p>While it is true that it is not necessary to upgrade everything to Mastercrafted/Ad3 for levels 1 to 9 or 10 to 19, once you reach 20 the importance of your gear is greatly increased and by the time you reach late 20s or early 30s, gear becomes very, very important. That's why the price of feysteel is astronomical. Fortunately by the time you reach your 50s, enough players have given up on that alt they thought they wanted to play and the demand cools down a bit.</p><p>Also, bear in mind that the gear demands of characters does vary by class. Some classes are definately more gear dependent than others.</p><p>As for the 'just go harvest it yourself' argument, different players have different constraints on the time they have available to play. Telling someone who has limited play time that they have to spend all of that time harvesting instead of playing the game is basically telling them not to bother with playing at all.  </p></blockquote>Seriously?  You think by late 20s early 30s you need gear... really good gear?  Wow.  I've leveled up a lot of chars, and I don't bother with much of anything until the 40s, and even then I know its an indulgence.  I generally can level just fine with treasured gear and app4s (sometimes app2s).  I don't bother with ad3s until the 50s, masters until the late 50s and early 60s. But hey, everyone plays differently.

[jagermonsta]

Erin@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>Seriously?  You think by late 20s early 30s you need gear... really good gear?  Wow.  I've leveled up a lot of chars, and I don't bother with much of anything until the 40s, and even then I know its an indulgence.  I generally can level just fine with treasured gear and app4s (sometimes app2s).  I don't bother with ad3s until the 50s, masters until the late 50s and early 60s. But hey, everyone plays differently. </blockquote> Yes everyone does play differently. I've geared my character with mastercrafted, legendary, fabled, master 1s and adapt 3s from level 10 to now ( 48 ). My goal is to take in content and experience the lore of the game (yes I read the quests, [Removed for Content]?). At the same time I want to be able to perform with my character to the best of it's abilities. Not only using my skill and knowledge of my class/game but gear wise as well. I don't want to tank instances & dungeons wearing treasured armor... I want my healer bored whacking the mob with their sticks and casting their little dd's. I don't want to make single pulls... I want excitement, I want my group to be moving at a fast pace utilizing our time together accomplishing as much as possible. Being the MT 99% of the time I enjoy the responsibly of it. However, I can't play the way I want in treasured armor and adapt 1 spells. Anyhow... on topic. Harvesting isn't all that much of a burden. I normally start harvesting for the next teir once I reach lvl x8, x9... I take about 5 hours out of my playtime a week to gather rares and crafting supplies. It honestly doesn't take me that long to gear my character... it's just people in games like these are always in a rush and don't want to work to accomplish things. They want everything given to them... like... they want cheap rares to buy on the broker from people who got extra rares from that 5 hours a week harvest time. In the end it's easy money for the harvester... As for selling rares on the broker. I under cut... I know a lot of people don't like the fact people under cut their prices but I'm pricing to sell. If there's a feysteel cluster on the broker for 90g, I'll sell for 80g or 75g... quick easy money in my pocket.

[erin]

Ranadin@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>Erin@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>Seriously?  You think by late 20s early 30s you need gear... really good gear?  Wow.  I've leveled up a lot of chars, and I don't bother with much of anything until the 40s, and even then I know its an indulgence.  I generally can level just fine with treasured gear and app4s (sometimes app2s).  I don't bother with ad3s until the 50s, masters until the late 50s and early 60s. But hey, everyone plays differently. </blockquote> Yes everyone does play differently. I've geared my character with mastercrafted, legendary, fabled, master 1s and adapt 3s from level 10 to now ( 48 ). My goal is to take in content and experience the lore of the game (yes I read the quests, [Removed for Content]?). At the same time I want to be able to perform with my character to the best of it's abilities. Not only using my skill and knowledge of my class/game but gear wise as well. I don't want to tank instances & dungeons wearing treasured armor... I want my healer bored whacking the mob with their sticks and casting their little dd's. I don't want to make single pulls... I want excitement, I want my group to be moving at a fast pace utilizing our time together accomplishing as much as possible. Being the MT 99% of the time I enjoy the responsibly of it. However, I can't play the way I want in treasured armor and adapt 1 spells. </blockquote>You can do everything that you said, in treasured gear, with a lot MORE excitement, because your healer isn't bored, the other members of the group feel some risk, etc.  Instead, you are whacking through the content with 0 risk.  Like I said, everyone plays differently, but I don't see the challenge when the "healer [is] bored whacking the mob with their sticks". I'll quit going off topic, I just don't get the mentality that REQUIRES fabled/legendary gear at the lowest levels.  I'm not about getting to level 70, but I do want to have fun along the way, and when you are in full fabled gear, you so ridiculously outweigh the content that you might as well have a save button. That isn't meant as an attack on your playstyle, if you are having fun, that's great.  I just don't understand it.

[jagermonsta]

Erin@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>You can do everything that you said, in treasured gear, with a lot MORE excitement, because your healer isn't bored, the other members of the group feel some risk, etc.  Instead, you are whacking through the content with 0 risk.  Like I said, everyone plays differently, but I don't see the challenge when the "healer [is] bored whacking the mob with their sticks". I'll quit going off topic, I just don't get the mentality that REQUIRES fabled/legendary gear at the lowest levels.  I'm not about getting to level 70, but I do want to have fun along the way, and when you are in full fabled gear, you so ridiculously outweigh the content that you might as well have a save button. That isn't meant as an attack on your playstyle, if you are having fun, that's great.  I just don't understand it. </blockquote>Hmm... no you really can't. Perhaps I was exaggerating the act of healers being bored... but I would like to see someone tank 3-4 heroic ^^^ even cons or a level above you in treasured gear with a single healer in the group. Better yet tanking a low tier epic x4 your level. That is the fun I'm talking about. Being able to control the out of control and unfortunatly crap gear isn't going to help a situation like that. Trust me, my goal isn't really to make the game simple, I want challenge but I'm not going to battle a tank with a knife. I also would not say that master crafted gear ridiculously over weighs the content. Why wait till T7 to gear your character, what's the difference? Not everyones goal is to solely play end game, some of us want to experience the other 70% of the game. Believe it or not there is low tier raid zones and low tier epic mobs that low tier players do raid, their not just mentored down fable geared lvl 70s. I guess it is my play style. Having your group or raid struggle during tough situations due to your insufficient gear is something I don't understand.

[Faymar]

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