Newbie Lvl 70

[Tink34]

<p>So my warden finally hit 70... Yippeeeee, however now I don't know what to do with her... I would love to get into some of the higher raid instances but her stats and armor aren't good enough, I think... She has a couple of lower legendary pieces lvl 63 or so and any remaining pieces are dragonhide armor... all spells are at least Adept III if not Master... but I'm running into a catch 22, you need to be better to raid however you need to raid to get better? how does anyone sort out this mess... i've been working the claymore line and sword of destiny does anyone have other suggestions on to make the transition into raiding?</p><p> Thanks Tink<img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>Claymore line has some good rewards that upgrade your armor nicely.   The next best thing would be to find a guild or pickup raid that will take you with them on a Labs run - start doing as many of the raid instances as you can.  It IS a catch 22 about needing better gear to raid, but it's also a progression.  With low HP, resists, and power pool, you might not be MT group healing - but healers are almost always needed.   Good spell quality is helpful there, and until you gear up stay at max casting range so you are an asset, not a liability to the rest of the healers.   Bring potions that upgrade your stats (heat, cold, poison, etc...) and always look for gear that has good resists.    </p><p>Get your Legendary Jale Phlintoe's set ...or as many pieces as possible.</p><p>The Tunare's Orb quest has a nice item, and Grizzlefazzle's does too. You might take a look at eq2i.com or allakazham to see what quests are out there for nice stuff.  I think more highly of someone who shows up wanting to raid that knows their class, has made an effort (shown by good quested gear) to be as well geared as possible, and who doesn't make me heal them every 5 seconds because they are in meleeing with 1500 disease resist on a raid <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ...than I do of someone who shows up and doesn't look like they tried very hard.   I would think that's true of just about anyone with whom you might raid.</p><p>GL - it's a lot of fun...and I NEVER thought I'd say that! LOL</p><p>P.S.  Grats on 70! yay!</p>

[Illyakuran]

<p>I think Arielle hit it right on.</p><p>Work away at Claymore, hit up the T7 instances for armor, and start looking for pickup raids to Labs, LoA, and HoS or join a guild that runs those zones on a regular basis. Also OoB drops a nice ring (Signet of Light From Darkness) and some of the T7 collection quests give some nice jewelery like the Bummer Gang Medallion, Ancient Bone Hoop, Kaladim Amethyst, and Sanguinary Cinch which have some nice resists on them to help from being one shotted by every ae if you get too close to a epic mob. Unrest drops some nice items and Nek3 has a nice orb (cannot remember the name off hand, Blue Crystal or something). Then there is the MOA necklae quest.</p><p>If you have plenty of plat to throw around KoS fabled gear shows up on the broker fairly often. It'll take time to gear up but what else is there to do other than start leveling another toon?</p>

[Veedublya]

Arielle Nightshade wrote: <blockquote><p>Get your Legendary Jale Phlintoe's set ...or as many pieces as possible.</p></blockquote> Totally agree with Arielle especially on the EoF (Jale Phlintoe's) gear, i would say that has some of the best resist and stat gear you can get without raiding. With all ad 3's and masters you could easily get into a raid guild and do some labs runs, unfortunately there isnt many armor drops for us in KoS zones other than labs <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[xandez]

i sorted out the you suck and hence cannot raid, but you are required to raid to be not teh sux by completely forgetting raiding. Im sick of the word RAID... i hate it... argh *puke* Well.. almost atleast... Endgame = raid this, raid that... *sigh* Sry, but not all ppl can or want to do it... so why is the ability to gather 24 ppl together required to be "topnotch"? Or why is that something which separates teh "yb4h" from sux? Thank god there are some instances to get decent gear besides raiding. Also, i also find it discouraging that eg. claymore can ALMOST be 1 grouped, but in the end... YAYAYAYAYAYA... guess what, a full raid is needed. Sry for the vent, just that i like to play with my RL friends and they surely to not play this game by packs of 24. ++Xan

[Veedublya]

<cite>xandez wrote:</cite><blockquote>i sorted out the you suck and hence cannot raid, but you are required to raid to be not teh sux by completely forgetting raiding. Im sick of the word RAID... i hate it... argh *puke* Well.. almost atleast... Endgame = raid this, raid that... *sigh* Sry, but not all ppl can or want to do it... so why is the ability to gather 24 ppl together required to be "topnotch"? Or why is that something which separates teh "yb4h" from sux? Thank god there are some instances to get decent gear besides raiding. Also, i also find it discouraging that eg. claymore can ALMOST be 1 grouped, but in the end... YAYAYAYAYAYA... guess what, a full raid is needed. Sry for the vent, just that i like to play with my RL friends and they surely to not play this game by packs of 24. ++Xan </blockquote>Where the hell did this come from???

[xandez]

A response to the OP's question <b> "... but I'm running into a catch 22, you need to be better to raid however you need to raid to get better? how does anyone sort out this mess..."</b> There's where it came out from <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (maybe some overventing included in my post, but hey... why can't i be annyoed of this issue? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) ++Xan

[Valena]

xandez wrote: <blockquote>Anti-raid rant. <p>Sry for the vent, just that i like to play with my RL friends and they surely to not play this game by packs of 24. ++Xan </p></blockquote><p> You don't have to raid to get good kit. The Jale Phlintoe set is fine for most things, Unrest drops nice rings, belts, shield  and cloaks, OOB drops Signet of Light from Darkness and Blackscale Sepulture drops my favourate weapon. As others have said, T7 collection quests gives some nice stuff too: the Bummer Gang medallion is almost as good as the MOA if you don't want to do the final raid. You can certainly be a very effective Warden without one piece of raid gained loot.</p>

[xandez]

<p>yes, thats very good and also 1 of the most important reasons i switched from ranger to warden (as my main toon anyway)</p><p>++Xan</p>

[Veedublya]

<p>Ah I see now... </p><p>Well the way i see it is raiding does make you a better healer, you can argue that if you want but its true. Now dont confuse that with me saying that if you are in a raiding guild then you are automatically better <u>skilled</u> then another Warden from a non-raiding guild, I know great healers that arent in raid guilds and crap healers that are in raiding guilds. You can get nice gear from instances and quests, but everyone knows if you want the best gear then you raid.</p><p>Your entitled to not like raiding, its not for everyone, but its rude to post a rant about you not liking raiding and so on when someone who is interested in starting to raid and asking questions about it. You can list reasons why you dont like raiding, but your ranting about how you hate how arrogant raid healers can be, never once in this forum did anyone say raid healers are better than non-raid healers. You may think its stupid for 24 people to kill something, but it's a [Removed for Content] good feeling to pull 24 people together and have everyone work together to get something done.</p>

[ganjookie]

<cite>xandez wrote:</cite><blockquote>i sorted out the you suck and hence cannot raid, but you are required to raid to be not teh sux by completely forgetting raiding. Im sick of the word RAID... i hate it... argh *puke* Well.. almost atleast... Endgame = raid this, raid that... *sigh* Sry, but not all ppl can or want to do it... so why is the ability to gather 24 ppl together required to be "topnotch"? Or why is that something which separates teh "yb4h" from sux? Thank god there are some instances to get decent gear besides raiding. Also, i also find it discouraging that eg. claymore can ALMOST be 1 grouped, but in the end... YAYAYAYAYAYA... guess what, a full raid is needed. Sry for the vent, just that i like to play with my RL friends and they surely to not play this game by packs of 24. ++Xan </blockquote>- dick

[Arisone]

<span style="font-size: medium; font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I raid with *gasp* mostly adept 3's and maybe 3 or 4 masters (one is the single target heal and the other is the grp)  and I do just fine in the MT grp.  As long as everyone is doing there job, shouldn't have a problem. As for gear..everything stated before is accurate.  The EoF set is very nice and the ring and buckler from Blight are great.  A few adornments and you should be set. And..it's not all about the gear or spells (helps tho) it's about knowing your class. </span><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <span style="font-size: medium; font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Gratz on 70 </span><img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[xandez]

Kithian@Permafrost wrote: <blockquote>- [I cannot control my vocabulary] </blockquote><p>Best reply ever <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>buahahahaaaa</p><p>++Xan </p>

[xandez]

<cite>Veedublya wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ah I see now... </p><p>Well the way i see it is raiding does make you a better healer, you can argue that if you want but its true. Now dont confuse that with me saying that if you are in a raiding guild then you are automatically better <u>skilled</u> then another Warden from a non-raiding guild, I know great healers that arent in raid guilds and crap healers that are in raiding guilds. You can get nice gear from instances and quests, but everyone knows if you want the best gear then you raid.</p><p>Your entitled to not like raiding, its not for everyone, but its rude to post a rant about you not liking raiding and so on when someone who is interested in starting to raid and asking questions about it. You can list reasons why you dont like raiding, but your ranting about how you hate how arrogant raid healers can be, never once in this forum did anyone say raid healers are better than non-raid healers. You may think its stupid for 24 people to kill something, but it's a [I cannot control my vocabulary] good feeling to pull 24 people together and have everyone work together to get something done.</p></blockquote><p>yes, thats true and it should be since like you stated, you have to pull 24 ppl together etc...</p><p>however, i dont find it rude to state my opinions in a public forum, even if they were a tad rantish <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Besides, the OP asked how we lived with the issue... well maybe im pretty annoyed about it? If you cant vent in the forums... eh. </p><p>And the attitude of SOME raiding ppl:s are of course... well, i think the some ppl can be [I cannot control my vocabulary], raiding or not. </p><p>To the OP, gz for 70! </p><p>++Xan</p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>::blinking in surprise at the anti-Raid rant:::</p><p>The OP stated:   "I would love to get into some of the higher raid instances but her stats and armor aren't good enough, I think... "</p><p>ie, the OP started the thread to ask opinions on the best way to maybe start gearing up TO raid - why would you insert that particular anti-raid rant into it?  She wasn't saying she needed to raid to be a better Warden.  I think you saw 'raid'..and just lost it..(LOL)</p><p>Trust me when I say I have been anti-raid as the only way to gear well.  I still feel that way - you should be able to play the game at your own pace and be able to get decent gear.  </p><p>This may/may not include raiding.   I do NOT agree with: Really really awesome gear should drop from the sky just for showing up.   The reason you stand and oooo and ahhh at someone in all Fabled gear is because you KNOW they took some effort and quite possibly a little skill to get it.    Non-raid gear that is very good does exist in the game, but you have to work for it. Cloak of Flames, anyone?  Tunare's Orb?  Mark of Awakening?   You don't kill 10 things and turn that in for reward.</p><p>When you find a good group to raid with, raiding is awesome fun.   Spending several years (/wince) leveling up a couple of Wardens to end game (wherever that was at the time), means I'm good at the class in pretty much any environment, and I want to try doing stuff that level of familiarity provides.  If that is Raiding - yeah, I want to try it. If it's PvP - yep - try it.  And I want to be as well geared as I can in order to do it.</p><p>Rinna states accurately that it's not all about spell quality and good gear, it's about how well you understand the class - and your role in any given situation.  Agree completely.</p><p>That said, you gotta admit...if you are all fabled and Mastered out - your role is about 500 percent easier than trying to raid, pvp, solo heal tougher instances, etc., without it.</p>

[xandez]

<p>Very nice post Arielle!</p><p>Yah, maybe i snapped... bad day etc... sry <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Gotta love some nice rants once in a while thou... eheh... <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>++Xan</p>

[Tink34]

<p>lol i never mind a good rant every once in awhile <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> it was entertaining.</p><p> So this helpful has been useful a few of the quests mentioned i have been working on already and a few I will start... on the EoF Jale Phlintoe set... which instances specifically in EoF drops these armor pieces? also is this just a PvP set, as I play on a non-PvP server? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Veedublya]

<p>Legendary pieces"</p><p>Head - Unrest</p><p>Chest - Unrest</p><p>Shoulders - Castle Mistmoore (tradeable)</p><p>Wrists - Crypt of Valdoon</p><p>Hands - Kaladim (tradeable)</p><p>Legs - Castle Mistmoore (tradeable)</p><p>Feet - Obelisk of Blight</p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>What Veedub said ^^^</p><p>Even if you get some of the relatively easier pieces (feet, hands, bracers) - even if you have just 3, that's where you start getting the set bonus.  Shoulders aren't that hard to come by - even if yours don't drop you might get a pair you can trade.  </p><p>Chest, hat and legs are the harder ones to get, IMO simply because you have to slog through Unrest to get the hat and chest (I really really hate how tedious that zone is now.  It was fun the first 2 times, then just gets tiresome).   The legs are a bit tough too because in order to kill the sage you have to be in a group that doesn't make any mistakes getting there.   For a pickup group, that's luck.</p><p>Even THREE pieces, and you are in business!  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>