Necromancer Cloak

[Solaran_X]

Last night in Unrest, I saw Garanel's Mantle drop for (at least) the dozenth time. For some time, I had been debating whether or not to go for it (which I see drop every Unrest run) or the Cloak of Unrest (which I've seen drop once). While the Cloak of Unrest has WIS and INT on it, the proc doesn't seem all that terribly useful since a lot of our spells already have quick reuse timers and those with long reuse timers...well...they still wouldn't refresh by the time the Cloak's proc finishes and likely wouldn't be cast twice in one encounter anyways. So last night I rolled on Garanel's Mantle, for the STA +12 and the 179 Divine damage/110 Health heal proc (1.8 times a minute with 605 INT). First time I ever rolled on it, with so many I passed on because I was being nice to the rest of the groups I was with previously. I happened to win it, and promptly got the Troubador and Berserker who also rolled on it angry because it's a "Scout" or a "Tank" cloak because it has STR. I explained about Archlich and how Archlich consumes 209 Health every six seconds and how I need Health procs to counterbalance it (and yes, while Archlich's proc it puts on spells can usually keep me up, once in a while it won't and a little extra won't hurt). They all called it BS and left the group. Was I wrong to roll on an item simply because of it's proc and half of it's stats that benefit my class?

[Jal]

Pretty sure the effect only works on melee damage nothing else so yes you were wrong to roll on it over them.

[Quda]

<p>Yea, it is only for mellee attacks, only primary weapon can proc.  So you will have to be doing mellee damage to get the cloak to proc.</p><p>Bad Roll</p>

[Solaran_X]

<cite>Quda wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yea, it is only for mellee attacks, only primary weapon can proc.  So you will have to be doing mellee damage to get the cloak to proc.</p><p>Bad Roll</p></blockquote>Garanel's Mantle's proc reads exactly the same as the Crushing weapon proc adornments, and they proc on spells. It just says that if a melee attack is used to proc it, only the Primary weapon will proc. It doesn't require a melee weapon to proc.

[scor_pios]

Yes, you were wrong to roll on that Cloak, Cloak of Unrest is a WAY better one, I didn't get it untill the 20th+ run, took me some time, but I got it, and patience is all you need. We Mages NEVER!!!! Melee, if you do, then you must be VERY desperate. Yes I know I asked to post that cloak on 60-69, its because I am a necromancer, and the Templar with them wanted to know if we can melee, of course we don't melee. I as a Necromancer, NEVER run out of power, I am sure that is the same for others, but as long as we have power, we will never Melee. Anyways, hopefully you will get your Cloak of Unrest some day. Other wise, that cloak would of been AWSOME if it was not a Melee Proc <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Winsarc11]

<p>I actually melee as much as i can, its nice to get an extra 70dmg in there bw casts just bc you turned your auto attack on. </p><p>Not saying id ever use that cloak though, cloak of unrest or Sol ro cloak is much better for mages.</p>

[Tharangus]

<p>Are you sure the weapon adornments proc on spells?  That's not been my experience as I've sifted through the combat spam to see exactly when it actually does proc.  I wouldn't sell the proc on the 'caster' version short because that can make a difference on our spells that actually do have a significant cast time (lifetaps and dumbfires in particular).</p><p>The stamina and heal proc would be helpful though, even if it only does proc on melee damage but there are better choices out there for us.  The Cloak of Zet has a simillar cast speed proc but it has a rather distracting animation attached to it (thought I was mezzed first time I saw it proc).</p><p>If you want a cloak with a good heal proc on it, look here... <a href="http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=LTY2MDI5OTI5Ng" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details....=LTY2MDI5OTI5Ng</a>==</p><p>But there are a lot of assumptions out there of what is 'best' for us that simply isn't the case.  'Best' for what? Solo?  Group? Raiding?  I don't think there is a 'best' because once you say item X is better then one can always find a situation where item Y is more useful.</p>

[Tharangus]

Scorpios@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>Yes, you were wrong to roll on that Cloak, Cloak of Unrest is a WAY better one, I didn't get it untill the 20th+ run, took me some time, but I got it, and patience is all you need. We Mages NEVER!!!! Melee, if you do, then you must be VERY desperate. Yes I know I asked to post that cloak on 60-69, its because I am a necromancer, and the Templar with them wanted to know if we can melee, of course we don't melee. I as a Necromancer, NEVER run out of power, I am sure that is the same for others, but as long as we have power, we will never Melee. Anyways, hopefully you will get your Cloak of Unrest some day. Other wise, that cloak would of been AWSOME if it was not a Melee Proc <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> You limit your thinking too much... just because our primary dps comes from spells doesn't mean we can't.  Sorcerers actually have more reason to melee than us because they can cast a weapon proc on themselves... chanters gain quite a bit of melee off their STR AA line...  so never?  Hardly, but I do think that we are less likely to be doing so simply because we have a pet doing most of the work for us.

[Athri]

Actually I melee a lot more on my summoners than on other casters. The pet is (usually, at least) taking the heat anyway, so why not get out there and throw in some damage? Get a Vampiric proc for your weapon and siphon a few more HPs, all for free.

[Tharangus]

<cite>Athrias wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually I melee a lot more on my summoners than on other casters. The pet is (usually, at least) taking the heat anyway, so why not get out there and throw in some damage? Get a Vampiric proc for your weapon and siphon a few more HPs, all for free. </blockquote><p>*gags on the word 'free'*</p><p>That's not free.. it's a trade-off.  You could have put the de-aggro proc on that weapon or maybe even the +disease damage adornment... </p>

[quamdar]

+ disease damage adornment is not for the primary weapon slot.  it goes on secondary/ranged items.

[Tharangus]

<cite>quamdar wrote:</cite><blockquote>+ disease damage adornment is not for the primary weapon slot.  it goes on secondary/ranged items. </blockquote> Yeah I realized that after I posted.. *bonks head*

[LiquidFlex]

Well, regarding the OP: At the end of the day, isn't it up to the raid leader/group leader to determine who gets the lewt after a roll? So if there was any doubt about the debate of who should and shouldn't roll on an item, it should have been made known at the time and the 'melee' classes should have spoken up before the cloak was dished out, or they should have directed their anger towards the leader for giving it to a caster rather than a melee class. just a thought.

[KBern]

<p>IF it proc's on spell casts....which I was under the impression that it doesn't....then you are in the right to roll on it.</p><p>If however it doesnt proc on spells, and only melee, personally I would have let the melee roll on it and bowed out.  W/O a proc, it is simply a stamina adornment at that point.</p><p>Have you tested it to determine if spells cause a proc yet?</p>

[Sabutai]

If you have time to melee as a necro you're doing something wrong. If I'm not casting its because I'm running around trying to find the [Removed for Content] who asked for a heart but wasn't near me when they yelled for it.

[KBern]

<cite>Sabutai wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you have time to melee as a necro you're doing something wrong. If I'm not casting its because I'm running around trying to find the [Removed for Content] who asked for a heart but wasn't near me when they yelled for it. </blockquote><p> LOL so true.</p><p>The only people I move for are the Main Tank healers and the MT.</p><p>Anyone else who asks me I tell them to move to me before they ask.</p>

[Estean1]

God the range on hearts suck.  Don't get me wrong I love the spell because is makes necros even more marketable to raid groups but the range and recast on the spell drives me nuts!!!!!  At one point I put the AA into reducing the recast timer but I jsut can't justify spending that many AA just to knock 10 seconds off my casting time! 

[Winsarc11]

<cite>Sabutai wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you have time to melee as a necro you're doing something wrong. If I'm not casting its because I'm running around trying to find the [Removed for Content] who asked for a heart but wasn't near me when they yelled for it. </blockquote> You do realize your Autoattack hits in bw casts, you dont actually have to stop chain casting, so its basically free dmg.

[LiquidFlex]

The only time I worry about my melee attack is when I'm soloing. Aside from that... I'm right where I belong. In the rear with the gear!

[MadLordOfMilk]

<cite>Winsarc11 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sabutai wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you have time to melee as a necro you're doing something wrong. If I'm not casting its because I'm running around trying to find the [Removed for Content] who asked for a heart but wasn't near me when they yelled for it. </blockquote> You do realize your Autoattack hits in bw casts, you dont actually have to stop chain casting, so its basically free dmg.</blockquote>Yeah, but it takes time to run up to the mob. And you put yourself in AE range. Situationally could be useful, moreso for longer fights, but longer fights really only occur while raiding which is when the AEs are gonna potentially obliterate you. Although, getting in melee range does allow for us to also use our PBAE lifetap <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ::EDIT:: D'oh, semi-necro post... irony at it's finest. Yeah, forgot how far back I was going, my bad.