Lore on Ranks

[Zabjade]

<p>Possibly I'm just bucking for a questline for each tier for each class(Belt/head/wrist slot for monks charm slot for others). <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>We know about the monks of Silent Fist, Ashen Order, Swifttails, and likely even the Wistling Fist and Followers of Wu had a tier system for ranks, I was wondering if any of the others classes had such methods. I'm talking more RPly then EQ1 legacy. </p><p>Perhaps Plumage for Helmets or Swashbuckler hats, a clasp for their cloaks, intricate class based tatoos (with stats), domino masks etc.?</p><p>would make fore some interesting filler for Role player backgrounds in Character bios if nothing else.</p>

[Cusashorn]

I remember iksar Shamans and Warriors in EQlive both had a newbie quest system that upgraded thier swords and spears respectively. Supposedly, the strength of the weapon indicated your rank among the guild.

[Controlor]

For crusaders its. Peasent -> Squire -> knight -> knight w/ squire. Altho this happens rapidly in EQ1 (as you start out a knight and get a squire at 20). In reality it would be that you would start out a squire and work your way up the ranks doing deeds and such. Eventually getting your own squire to follow you and teach them the art of being a crusader (good of evil). I dont know if there is any thing that tells you your rank other than knowing what it is. If your a squire you follow a knight. Once you become a knight you work your way up to be a mounted knight then eventually train your own squire. Only progression i can see for crusaders. OOH and in EQ1 wasnt familiars a sign of how a wizard progressed?? You get a better familiar the better of a wizard you were (dont count me on this being fact never played wizard in either game).

[Josgar]

High Elves. Josgar (Of course whoever is telling the hierarchy would obviously put themselves here!)             v Thex = Royal family King and Queen            v Prince and Princesses            v Richest            v Middle Class (Still richer than everyone else on Norrath)            v Poorest (Richer than Bill Gates... but are still frowned upon!)            v People who have gained faction with the wrong city. Note: This is made up, but it is based around a class system that would fit the most arrogant (and best race) ever! The amount of people money own may be slightly inflated!

[Zabjade]

<p>Was refering more to how you measure an adventurer's skill level withing their class guild more then social standing. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Example a Newbie Monk would be of the White Sash, White Headband, Manacle of Dust depending on their skill level.</p><p>Would a Crusader be measured by a Signet broach fastening their cloaks?</p><p>A Rakish Swashbuckler might indicate his Fame and Imfamy with certain colored plumes reserved for each tier of development?</p><p>Would a shaman get more and more Intricate Tatoos as he progressed in the spirit world?</p><p>Would a Druid have a knotwork charm that they show to afirm their rank?</p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Was refering more to how you measure an adventurer's skill level withing their class guild more then social standing. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Example a Newbie Monk would be of the White Sash, White Headband, Manacle of Dust depending on their skill level.</p><p>Would a Crusader be measured by a Signet broach fastening their cloaks?</p><p>A Rakish Swashbuckler might indicate his Fame and Imfamy with certain colored plumes reserved for each tier of development?</p><p>Would a shaman get more and more Intricate Tatoos as he progressed in the spirit world?</p><p>Would a Druid have a knotwork charm that they show to afirm their rank?</p></blockquote><p>No, no, no, and no. There weren't any rank systems in EQlive outside of the monks and the Iksar society, so we can't really say whether or not they'd be ranked by such things. </p><p>Yes, I'm aware i'm stating opinion as fact here due to no precedent in the lore, but still...</p>

[DrkVsr]

<span style="font-size: small; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">Would be nice if there was ranking system of some sort, like Zabjade suggested</span>

[Siogai]

For such things as a swashbuckler, that's rather a designation, rather than an occupation.  A swashbuckler, in the traditional sense, would be ranked by how famous his/her name is (a la "Dread Pirate Roberts" from Princess Bride), but no swashbuckler worth his rapier would be caught dead imitating another, still-living Swashbuckler's style with such things as colour-coded plumage. After all, the whole point to being a swashbuckler is being an independantly famous rake.

[Controlor]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Was refering more to how you measure an adventurer's skill level withing their class guild more then social standing. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Example a Newbie Monk would be of the White Sash, White Headband, Manacle of Dust depending on their skill level.</p><p>Would a Crusader be measured by a Signet broach fastening their cloaks?</p><p>A Rakish Swashbuckler might indicate his Fame and Imfamy with certain colored plumes reserved for each tier of development?</p><p>Would a shaman get more and more Intricate Tatoos as he progressed in the spirit world?</p><p>Would a Druid have a knotwork charm that they show to afirm their rank?</p></blockquote><p>No, no, no, and no. There weren't any rank systems in EQlive outside of the monks and the Iksar society, so we can't really say whether or not they'd be ranked by such things. </p><p>Yes, I'm aware i'm stating opinion as fact here due to no precedent in the lore, but still...</p></blockquote>Yes there is no lore itself president for other ranking systems for the other classes. But you can infer some ranks (such as the crusader one i mentioned) Just by your fluff spells when you get them later on and obtaining a squire that follows you. Also there is some crusader lore with ranks. (forgetting name of quest) but it is the one that has you read a book and follow the path that a great paladin had once taken. And at the end it was his squire who had betrayed him. The book sorta gives a hint that the squire was being taught by the paladin and thus can infer for the paladin ranking system your a squire then you move up to be a paladin eventually (looking at your fluff spells) you get a horse to be a mounted paladin... then final fluff spell is you get a squire yourself to tag along (and theoretically would train). This would go for SK as well i assume so there is some ranking for crusaders. However there is no different article of clothing but more along the lines of what you are.

[Zabjade]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Was refering more to how you measure an adventurer's skill level withing their class guild more then social standing. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Example a Newbie Monk would be of the White Sash, White Headband, Manacle of Dust depending on their skill level.</p><p>Would a Crusader be measured by a Signet broach fastening their cloaks?</p><p>A Rakish Swashbuckler might indicate his Fame and Imfamy with certain colored plumes reserved for each tier of development?</p><p>Would a shaman get more and more Intricate Tatoos as he progressed in the spirit world?</p><p>Would a Druid have a knotwork charm that they show to afirm their rank?</p></blockquote><p>No, no, no, and no. There weren't any rank systems in EQlive outside of the monks and the Iksar society, so we can't really say whether or not they'd be ranked by such things. </p><p>Yes, I'm aware i'm stating opinion as fact here due to no precedent in the lore, but still...</p></blockquote><p>To be precise, Cusa there is no precident in Everquest I, for all we know, there might indeed be lore on this subject that never made it into the game. </p><p>I think it should make it into the game for at least a roleplay perspective, after all 10-80 Adventure-seasons, would not look right for a character in their 20's or 30's. (Depending on Race) Another reason to bring something similar to the EQI  monk ranks back into the game, and yes I'm aware of the Gi's but that is mostly raid stuff and they tend to have less then useful stats.</p><p>Sio>>> The plumage was an example, but even a swashbucklers would rank themselves by their skills could be scruffy to pirate for all I know, but the plumage is more an ingame tool idea much like the monk sashes (that gave stats as well as signified "rank"</p>

[Naubeta]

In EQlive you gain different class titles as you level. the /who command shows them in addition to (used to be instead of) the class  name.

[Cusashorn]

^ yeah but that was just the developer's idea to add a little flare and confusion into the game by making you guess what a Myrmidon was on the /who list (Warrior btw.)

[Kryussius]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>^ yeah but that was just the developer's idea to add a little flare and confusion into the game by making you guess what a Myrmidon was on the /who list (Warrior btw.)</blockquote><p> They also only kicked in at lvl 50, while a monk's sash quests (for example) started much earlier on.</p><p>For the record, Shadow Knights still had the coolest titles.  <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Zabjade]

<p>Breakfast</p><p>Brunch</p><p>Lunch</p><p>Coctail </p><p>Dinner</p><p>Supper</p><p>Midnight Snack</p><p>Oh wait that's the food list, hard to tell the SK apart form those, KIDDING KIDDING my alt is a SK.</p>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<p>Even in EQ, the headband/sash/shackle quests were poor indicators, as, with the right help, a level 15 character could have the highest level headband/sash (shackles were a lot harder, and went longer).  In Cabilis (New Sebelis), the iksar home city, all the classes actually had quests like that.  The Shamen had a progressive cudgel questline, most of the quests involving collecting various skulls that the iksar used to communicate with their ancestors.  The Shadow Knights had a kukri that eventually won them the Greenmist, a sword named after the entity that liberated them from the Shissar (and was said to be imbued with some of its power).  The Troopers, err, warriors had a series of Pike quests, the monks the shackles, and the necromancers had skullcaps (I believe), each series progressively harder, eventually ending up with a level 50ish item.</p><p>In truth, a ranking system would only work with some classes, and most likely wouldn't transend racial barriers, since we're speaking RPly.  Ogres, no doubt, would denote rank through elaborate, and intentional scarring or branding on something like their shoulder.  Barbarians might have something with their Woad, or, if they'd actually re-introduce them, the ornementation on their kilt (as the kilt design actually designates clan/family).  For some reason, races like halflings, gnomes, and wood elves don't strike me as having much, if any sign of rank, for various reasons.  Others might simply have it in dress, a high elf captain, for instance, would have a more ornamental sword, or hauberk, or something of the sort.</p><p>As you can see, racial combined with occupational distinction of rank and progress could quickly get complicated, added to this, if you truly wish to RP more similar to RL, rank/level would be much, much harder to quantify, as the things that make someone a certain "level" become questionable, and may not indicate the proficiency someone is in their class.  A warrior's lack of skill with, say, a mace, might be cause to hold him back a level, though not taking into account is abundant skill with sword, axe, spear, and bow.</p><p>My advice?  Make up a system for your character.  Honestly, in-game level often means very little to most RPers, as the RP skill of their character might be much higher than they've had time to advance to in-game.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p>Still it wouldn't help to ask, and would actruallly be easier with the tier system you can get one sash/plume/woad/knotwork/broach/etc per tier and you have to start at the begining (Sure it might mean killing a few gray mobs or possibly they will have a mob that will scale to you at the end questline of each level.</p><p>Sure we can RP it but I think it would help to actually have it in the game for lore reasons and those who wish to write fanfiction, because callingyourself a level 50 Paladin in game is just wrong, and 50 seasons makes on wonder why you are not ready for retirement? </p><p>After all the Norrathian Year appears longer 10 week days 10 weeks in a month 12 months in a year. I admit I could be a little off on that.</p>