Shadow Knight Hate Line

[Phalong]

<p>In my attempts to become a better tank Ive taken on the hate line for better agro control.  Im 1AA away from the last one allowing me to transfer 3% of all hate gained by my group to me.</p><p> My thoughts.  </p><p> 1.) 3% isnt significant enough to keep agro without spaming taunts and bashes if the group doesnt have an agro trasnfering class.</p><p>2.) Is this limited to the group, or does it expand to a raid?</p><p>I can understand how 3% agro of the entire raid would be nice, but if this ability to limited to just the group, what process should I go through in hopes to get this percentage increased?</p><p>Any thoughts?  Anyone else go down the hate line and find them self asking similar questions?  </p>

[t0iletduck]

The Siphon Hate AA is your group only. I happen to like it. When I tank on raids, agro isn't an issue with a dirge hate buff and swash/assassin hate transfer. When your raid is pushing the limits of its DPS, that extra 3% can be what keeps agro and not keeping it. Thats 3% of all the wards, heals, debuffs, and damage of each group member, and it adds up. Granted, its no amends, but it helps hehe. Of course a warlock going nuts might agro the mob(a) you are not targetting, that can still happen with any other tank.

[Phalong]

<p>Yeah, I was hoping for a ballance of agro control between Paladins and SK's.  We get Death March, and its gear, but its Not Amend.  We raid with a Paladin Tanking.</p><p>Main Tank Group</p><p>Paladin, Templar, Defiler, Dirge, Assassin, Brigand</p><p> We seem to be low on Coercers on the server.  However with the agro transfer from the Assassin and the amend on the Brigand and agro boost from the Dirge, he doesnt loose agro unless its a mob that istn targeted.  </p><p> I cant hold agro with the same set up.  Normally we kick out the Brigand for something else.</p><p>Im still going to invest in the AA, I was just looking for a little more information, and maybe SoE will change it when Kunark comes out.</p>

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

<p>Hiya Phalong</p><p>I use the hate syphon and ya, it's group only. All the groupmate activity does add a nice little amount of hate overall though. Over 16K raid DPS I'd prefer a second hate transferrer, but up until that point I'm fine with aggro with only an assassin tranferring. I'm very defensively spec'd too, so my personal DPS is quite low. The hate line overall helped a ton (and I have points in the Decay line resists lowering).</p><p>Filmore Graves</p><p>The Shard Collectors</p>

[Norrsken]

I think people think of that skill the wrong way. its not a 3% increase in your hate, but a 3% decrease to everyone in your group, AND those 3% are all added you you, making a whopping 15% increase if everyone is doing exactly the same hate. And that is a difference of 18% between you and everyone else in the group.

[Zoradan]

<p>Example (very simplistic):</p><p> 5 dps class and one sk.</p><p> All doing 2k dps.</p><p>10,0000 dps (not counting the SK). 3% = 300 hate per second.</p><p>I have it, but 3% is small, but better than nothing, I do think this needs more h8 tranzfer, something more noticable.</p>

[Controlor]

<cite>Zoradan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Example (very simplistic):</p><p> 5 dps class and one sk.</p><p> All doing 2k dps.</p><p>10,0000 dps (not counting the SK). 3% = 300 hate per second.</p><p>I have it, but 3% is small, but better than nothing, I do think this needs more h8 tranzfer, something more noticable.</p></blockquote>Yes but its not the 300 vs the 10k. Just for the sake of things lets say your personal dps is 800. Then your making their personal dps count for 1940 each and boosting yours up 300 so that it makes each of them 1940 and yours 1100 (since comparing your dps score vs any scout you take in acount the agrigate hate you get from their dps). This closes the gap betwen you and anyone else grabbing agro. Overall it looks like you should loose agro but really isnt. Instead of being 1200 hate gap between you and any given scout. It instead makes it a 840 hate gap between you and any given scout. So it does add up and help. Cant look at total dps vs the tank you look at individual dps vs tank. Because it is the individuals dps that you are fighting against for agro not the total groups. In a raid yes you may seem like your fighting agro against the raid but its not the total raid dps value vs yours it is every individual value vs yours and so you wanna just stay ahead in the hate they are generating vs the hate you are generating for each particular person.

[TheGeneral]

The 3% increase is not nearly worth the points you spend on it, but where else are you going to spend them?  They really need to look into increasing this.  I've tested the same group setup with the buff on and off and the difference is almost non-existant.