Why is this?

[CresentBlade]

<p>I could be completely wrong and it wouldnt be the first time so feel free to correct me<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>You can get tinkered item that sees invis at 12-13?</p><p>You can get tinkered item that sees stealth at 23?</p><p>Why?</p><p>Basically gives scouts a HUGE advantage over casters I mean HUGE. I dont care about evac and track etc etc etc but you should be able to get both at the same level.</p><p>Brig/Swash can track stealth when stealth so at 12 they can track everything....</p><p>Rangers can track Invis when in stealth so doesnt really help them..</p><p>Not sure if Bards can track special stealthed....</p><p><img src="/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Well to correct myself it gives a HUGE advantage to Brig/Swash who are often complained about as over powered as it is.</p><p>Well poo on this pretty unfair from a casters point of view.<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cocytus]

Get to 20 and buy totems, problem solved.

[tass]

lol while a scout can definitely kick everyones [Removed for Content]. If they were to nerf a scout to say an unplayable class and even a fury. All the dps and everything is shot to hell. What would you have? Answer: a bunch of pathetic excuses for pvp classes going at it. Might as well have at least 1 class that can go at it amongst themselves because god knows none of the other classes are up to it.

[CresentBlade]

<p>I am not saying nerf scouts at all I am saying that they need to make the tinkered items more fair. By not being able to get the see stealth at the same level as see invis is super unfair and gives scouts a HUGE advantage.</p><p>And as far as totems go how come I still have to wait till 20? Thats 8 levels in advance that a scout gets to see everything, if you cant see that as unfair your blind. You can say track is not over powered you can say evac is not, you can say the scout class is not over powered on a whole. But if you try to tell me that giving scouts see invis before any other class get see stealth is not over powering them, I am gonna have to call bull.</p><p>At level 12:</p><p>Track </p><p>See Invis</p><p>See Stealth</p><p>High DPS</p><p>High Mit</p><p>High Avoid</p><p>Safe Fall</p><p>Yes everyone knows scouts are over powered and thats fine I can live with that but this I draw the line this is so beyond over powered. They can track everything and everyone at level 12 and nobody but other scouts can even see them till 20 with totems and 23 with the tinkered item. I am not even asking for a nerf just make the see stealth item level 12 useable or make see invis not use able till 23 just like the see stealth item.</p>

[HerbertWalker]

<p>Why not just nerf scouts, though?  Doesn't that solve this issue and a host of other issues?  Who is harmed?  Only the overpowered would be harmed, which is acceptable.</p><p>Nerfs in the form of decreased predator DPS, taking away track and giving it to guardians.  Some simple things like this would really improve the game imo.</p><p>I play all classes, so I have no stake in one being more uber than another.</p>

[CresentBlade]

<cite>HerbertWalker wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Why not just nerf scouts, though?  Doesn't that solve this issue and a host of other issues?  Who is harmed?  Only the overpowered would be harmed, which is acceptable.</p><p>Nerfs in the form of decreased predator DPS, taking away track and giving it to guardians.  Some simple things like this would really improve the game imo.</p><p>I play all classes, so I have no stake in one being more uber than another.</p></blockquote><p>Because SoE will never really nerf them.</p><p>Because all the Scouts will go into a frenzy hooting and howling.</p><p>Because we need a easy class for people to play that can not play a real class (hehe sorry couldnt reisist).</p><p>I can look the other way on alot of stuff but this tinkered thing really needs to be fixed. I can deal with Scouts being the class to play what I can not deal with is a item giving them even more power then they already have. </p><p>*Edit*</p><p>On a side note this type of item may be why other scouts consider Brig/Swash the most powerful class around considering how so many people lock now. Strange how this item works just perfect in the area so many Scouts like to lock in.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>HerbertWalker wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Why not just nerf scouts, though?  Doesn't that solve this issue and a host of other issues?  Who is harmed?  Only the overpowered would be harmed, which is acceptable.</p><p>Nerfs in the form of decreased predator DPS, taking away track and giving it to guardians.  Some simple things like this would really improve the game imo.</p><p>I play all classes, so I have no stake in one being more uber than another.</p></blockquote>Nerfing predator dps in t2 isnt a good idea. they are really weak at that level. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[deepruntramp]

The solution is simply to nerf scouts. Sadly, I doubt they'll be brought in line before Kunark.

[Darkothe]

<cite>deepruntramp wrote:</cite><blockquote>The solution is simply to nerf scouts. Sadly, I doubt they'll be brought in line before Kunark.</blockquote><p> From all of the "Nerf Scouts" posts and threads you've been posting on I can only think:</p><p>1.  You were hard-core ganked, spanked and sent to bed without dinner by a scout recently</p><p>or</p><p>2.  You need a hug</p><p>As I understand it, BFF is always ready to hand out a healthy portion of hugs to those in need.  I <3 BFF - (Good bumper sticker IMO).</p><p>So, you can either show us on the doll where the bad scout touched you, or come on over to Freeport and we'll arrange for some hugz!</p>

[AbyssalSoul]

<p>I'm a caster and I really hate getting killed by scouts.  At this point, I've grown to get used to it and accepted the role.  I'm somewhat tired of Sony trying to fix everything so that EVERYONE is happy, because that just isn't possible.  Part of keeping a good gaming base is not making drastic changes all the time.  My proposition is that they take a CLOSE look at all the classes make the changes they are going to make and stop screwing around with them.  This tampering leaves me wondering what class is going to be hit next, whether or not I should continue to even play, etc. etc.  Not to mention all the people who couldn't deal with it in the first place are already gone, so all you can do is lose more people by a change.  </p><p>I know the wording is probably coming out wrong... I just mean to say you can't please everyone all the time, and when you keep trying to do so all you are going to do is create instability and unhappiness.  Just my 2 cents.</p>

[convict]

<p>Everyone should have the ability, either by skill or by totems to see stealth at the same level scouts get to use stealth...</p><p>same goes for see invis...</p>

[CresentBlade]

<cite>convict wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Everyone should have the ability, either by skill or by totems to see stealth at the same level scouts get to use stealth...</p><p>same goes for see invis...</p></blockquote> AMEN