chain pulling

[afflictus]

<p>greetings</p><p>i have played a berserker up to level 70 so i know how to tank, pull, turn mobs and all that fun tanking stuff.  i know bruisers are not a main tank class, but can off tank easy and in my opinion are the best pullers in the game.  recently i started up a bruiser thinking i could be the puller of the group and offtank when needed.  i am now level 31 and i have not had a very good experience as a bruiser.</p><p>chain pulling ---> when the mob the group is fighting hits 10% health, go pick up another mob and bring it to the group.  by the time you get back to the group, the first mob should be dead and the tank should be ready to taunt the new mob off you.  thus no down time and kills per hour goes way up.</p><p>with this definition of chain pulling in mind, i would try to keep the group in combat, never pulling more than one encounter at a time.  in every group they yelled at me saying i was not the MT so i should not pull, even though i was not tanking past the pull and one taunt the warrior had agro.  they just kept yelling at me saying that we should go slower because the healer was  constantly at 50-60% mana and everyone else was at 30-40% mana.  i was watching the mana levels closely and we were never in danger of death and i told them that.   it just seems to me that everyone either hates bruisers or just doesn't understand what chain pulling is.</p><p>will these problems go away when i get to higher levels or do people just hate chain pulling?  </p>

[ganjookie]

Thats some [Removed for Content] poor groups you where with. I'm sorry.  In a good group, I've constantly pulled and will keep the healer around 50% power.  I usually only stop when the healer says "wait I need a breather".  From what you wrote, you where doing everything great! If you are on Permafrost send me an email and Ill see what I can do about that group situation.

[Novusod]

I think everyone just hates bruisers. If you were a scout that was chain pulling they likely would not have a problem. Then again nobody likes scouts much either.

[afflictus]

<p>yea PuGs suck.   from what you are saying, it sounds like these problems will go away once i hit a higher level.  perhaps all the people i was grouping with were true newbies or just didn't like things to go so fast.  my motto is, "It's not fun unless it can kill you."  perhaps not everyone shares that view   :p</p><p>here is a question for all the bruisers:  do you chain pull when in groups, or do you let the MT pull?</p><p>and i am now on the unrest server after the character transfers were free from antonia bale server.</p>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<p>For me it depends on the zone and who is tanking.</p><p>When I'm tanking, I tend to do pull after pull after pull asap unless the healers are crying uncle. I absolutely LOVE having an enchanter or Bard in my group. When I play my Coercer, I get an itch in my back unless we are chain pulling a place we know very well (which is everywhere nowadays).</p><p>As Brawler, you don't have any real short term buffs that help with general tanking. Sure we have our Mit buff, but it's not needed most of the time. We can power through without self heal most of the time as well, and the rest are best left for boss fights anyways.</p><p>I'm not sure about Crusaders, but Warriors have at least one, if not two or three temp buffs that they use for defense and mit, etc. They tend to wait until those are back up before pulling another group.</p><p>Then again.. they are the ones that will pull an entire room and handle the aggro fine too.</p><p>When I'm offtanking, I don't normally pull more for the tank... I let the tank pull. Especially in pickup groups, I don't want the tank freaking out and killing us all. I'll intercede the tank, and pull things off people.. or drag the mob around to an appropriate spot if it's being squirrelly.</p><p>That and DPS like mad to get it dead faster.</p><p> Lately with Unrest, I've found we can advance "event based" zones a LOT better than most, especially with our ability to Sonic Fist + Drag and then FD to pull specific mobs out of groups, etc.</p><p>I actually prefer someone else tanking in Unrest, not because I can't tank it... but because if I'm not tanking, I can cust about 2 hours out of the instance.</p>

[Tharangus]

<p>Part of it has to do with the tools you have at your disposal for grabbing aggro out of encounter.  At the lower levels this is limitted for most tank classes and especially brawlers.   Later on SK's get death march, zerkers get open wounds, guardians get reinforcement... etc... etc... not sure what we get, though besides the additional PBAoE attack at 50..</p><p>From my experience as a bruiser I find that I have to do a lot more to hold aggro on multiples than I did on say may pally.  I do a lot more switching between targets and hope that my dps'ers are doing /assist instead of targetting through me.  Because if they do then they may find a nice surprise of smacking a mob with a super heavy hit when it hasn't been taunted or de-aggroed.</p>

[Tomanak]

<p>PuGs are Pugly...stay away <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> I dont pull when Im not the MT unless its agreed upon with the MT prior to the run. It not only throws off the rhythm of the group, but most groups I have been in tend to view pulling (and thereby controlling the speed of the group) as the job of the MT. </p><p>Of course, 99% of the time Im DPS and dont even worry about Tanking. If I want to tank, I'll log in my guard. </p>

[vodokar]

Finally some people that understand the goodness of the monk/bruiser being pulling specialists.  Maybe we aren't the absolute best tank or the absolute best dps, but we can do one thing better than anyone else and thats pull.  Just like in everquest, that reputation of monks being best pullers wasn't built in a day.  It was built over many long years by alot of dedicated individuals trying to forge a role for themselves and prove by thier skills and actions that they were exceptional at something that others weren't.  It takes time and patience to win thier hearts and minds, grasshopper.  Keep trying. Concerning chain pulling, well, you kind of have to get the groups confidence in you first before they will feel comfortable letting you do that.  In a pickup group, you probably won't be allowed since they don't know your rep or for that matter, may have never even seen a monk/bruiser chain pulling before.  Just don't give up.