Is Agi/Wis a viable spec for a MT Coercer?

[GastonPhoebus]

<p>Okay, a few comments/questions:</p><p>I am currently specced for the MT group with Sta/Wis. My best parse (not raid-wide, alas) so far is 1k+ with this spec and I am feeling that I owe it to my guild to try to improve my usual parse numbers. I am using proc gear already and seeking more.</p><p>I know that if I respecced to Agi/Int I would improve my DPS a lot, but won't this cripple my ability to be an effective MT Coercer? I just can't see being that low on power in a fight and being able to fulfil my principal responsibilty to feed the healers when needed. Is there any measurable benefit to going a "half-DPS" spec and dropping Sta for Agi and leaving Wis alone? I ablsoutely love the "lock down" role in instance groups when not raiding (Currently 444 Subjugation and will be well over cap by Novemeber in preparation for Kunark)- far and away my favorite aspect of the class and one that I do not think I would be able/happy to give up. It <u>seems</u> as if just dropping Sta for Agi would be an improvement, though as Coercers do not have that many direct damage type spells I wonder if I will be casting fast but waiting on reuse timers?</p><p>Is Agi/Wis a viable MT/DPS set up? A viable set up at all?</p><p>Are there Int/Agi specced MT Coercers? If so, what is your Subjugation at? Do you rock in Nizara/MM Castle or struggle? How often do you take advantage of your 30% damage bonus during raids/groups?</p><p>I welcome all feedback as I try to get better at this wonderful class!</p><p>Thanks~</p>

[Dravendar]

I'm currently specced Agi/Sta with a few points stuck into increasing my int.  My baseline DPS did go up by a couple hundred over the sta/wis line.  I would get rid of the wis line completely.  Definitely pick sta and then you can play with either the agi or int lines.  With Agi/Sta, I retain all the utility that I had and increased my dps w/o having to [Removed for Content] my power level to the 30% nonsense.  Great for dps mage groups but horrible for MT groups.  I do not miss the Wis line at all.  I do not struggle with mezzing even though my subjugation is at/below 400.   

[Jinnchanter]

I am using AGI and WIS lines now.  AGI line gives me more dps, and Wis line gives me better control ability. Sta line is good for healing, but control ability is more important than healing. I don't wanna see much resistance on EOF high-resistance mobs.

[Wrapye]

I used to have the Sta/Wis lines as an MT group coercer, but was convinced that the Wis line is really meant more for soloing, as most of the spells used on raids are disruption or ordination.  I decided to go Int line rather than Agi as I like having an item in both the secondary and ranged slots and I get a dps boost without burning more power (which is what the Agi line leads me to do).  If I happen to drop below 30% power, then I get an extra bonus, but that was only two points so it was cheap.  With the mana AA line and tinkerer manastones I can drop below 30% then be well above it again pretty much at will.

[Dravendar]

<cite>Wrapye wrote:</cite><blockquote>I used to have the Sta/Wis lines as an MT group coercer, but was convinced that the Wis line is really meant more for soloing, as most of the spells used on raids are disruption or ordination.  I decided to go Int line rather than Agi as I like having an item in both the secondary and ranged slots and I get a dps boost without burning more power (which is what the Agi line leads me to do).  If I happen to drop below 30% power, then I get an extra bonus, but that was only two points so it was cheap.  With the mana AA line and tinkerer manastones I can drop below 30% then be well above it again pretty much at will. </blockquote> What kind of zonewide parse can you expect with this kind of setup? 

[ShesSoSurreal]

Agility and Sta is a good Mix IMO. With the DPS coming from fast casting times of Agility line and in the coercer tree increasing the trigger amount of my reactive. It gives MT utility with healing buffs and Agro maintainers as well. We are not MEANT to be uber Dps. But I normaly parse on any raid I attend without really trying, meaning I focus on keeping up my power regen spells etc. I also went down the power line in the coercer tree to help with group mana, which means I do not get any 30% extra very often, but my group stays in decent power 90% of the time, which is more important to the raid.

[Dravendar]

<cite>Jinnchanter wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am using AGI and WIS lines now.  AGI line gives me more dps, and Wis line gives me better control ability. Sta line is good for healing, but control ability is more important than healing. I don't wanna see much resistance on EOF high-resistance mobs.</blockquote> Exactly HOW is control ability more important than healing as it pertains to raiding?  Last time I checked, I can think of 1 encounter that could be a bit easier to do with a good mezzer.  And I do perfectly fine without any need for AA enhancements in that regard.  Otherwise, unless you know something I don't, control abilities are just not needed on raids whereas a 13.9% increase in heal crits would make a dramatic difference on EVERY encounter. 

[Cersiana]

I personally like the int/agi set up.. Dps ftw?

[Blumfield]

<p>I use all three.  Agi/Wis/Sta.  None of the end abilities are good enough to warrant finishing any of the lines, IMO.  The opportunity cost would be too high, so to speak.</p><p>The best ability in agi is the second one down, chronosiphoning.  Plus, it doesn't need to be maxed.  With four points, it gives almost as much spell haste as with 8.</p><p>In sta, the most important ability is the heal crit boost.  I have 8 in that.</p><p>In wis, the resists and subj buffs can be maxed.  Both of these are indispensible, in my experience.  Others may disagree.  They'll be wrong, but hey, they're entitled.</p><p>The only annoying thing with this setup is having to switch out equipment depending on what abilities you anticipate having to use for a given encounter.  That's a small price to pay for so much versatility, though.</p><p>your friend,</p>Schmutzen of Vox

[Ibunubi]

<cite>GastonPhoebus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Okay, a few comments/questions:</p><p>I am currently specced for the MT group with Sta/Wis. My best parse (not raid-wide, alas) so far is 1k+ with this spec and I am feeling that I owe it to my guild to try to improve my usual parse numbers. I am using proc gear already and seeking more.</p><p>I know that if I respecced to Agi/Int I would improve my DPS a lot, but won't this cripple my ability to be an effective MT Coercer? I just can't see being that low on power in a fight and being able to fulfil my principal responsibilty to feed the healers when needed. Is there any measurable benefit to going a "half-DPS" spec and dropping Sta for Agi and leaving Wis alone? I ablsoutely love the "lock down" role in instance groups when not raiding (Currently 444 Subjugation and will be well over cap by Novemeber in preparation for Kunark)- far and away my favorite aspect of the class and one that I do not think I would be able/happy to give up. It <u>seems</u> as if just dropping Sta for Agi would be an improvement, though as Coercers do not have that many direct damage type spells I wonder if I will be casting fast but waiting on reuse timers?</p><p>Is Agi/Wis a viable MT/DPS set up? A viable set up at all?</p><p>Are there Int/Agi specced MT Coercers? If so, what is your Subjugation at? Do you rock in Nizara/MM Castle or struggle? How often do you take advantage of your 30% damage bonus during raids/groups?</p><p>I welcome all feedback as I try to get better at this wonderful class!</p><p>Thanks~</p></blockquote><p>I'm mostly an MT coercer, and I'm Agi/Int. Contrary to what some believe (as someone put it above) "gimping your power to 30%," you choose when to go down to that level. They will also say "Well, what about when I need to Channel?" Um, yeah... For long fights, you'll eventually get to 30% while fighting.</p><p>I probably take advantage of Volatile Magic in any raid zone I can except MMIS and some of the logner named in the other zones (I only attempt 30% until after I Channel and/or the group is fine). Emerald Halls trash... I can do 1600+ solo on third floor. The tree monsters are awesome. Freethinkers... You better be on the fricken parse. My best so far is 2184 on single trash and 1600 on Zylphax solo. (1912 on Zylphax with only Synergism). Most boss fights, in general, I'll be right up on the parse (does not include EoF contesteds).</p><p>I just don't believe in the benefits of Wisdom line in a raid setting and in general. (1) Resists -- You get 800 maxed out. That's maybe +1% when you're already at 6k without the benefit. (2) Subjugation and Focus -- I still don't believe in casting skills helping resist rates when the entire resist system, itself, still has problems. For Castle MM and Nizara, I have a set of subjugation gear when I'm not worried about DPS. I usually don't pay much attention in heroic places.</p>

[Wrapye]

<cite>Dravendar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wrapye wrote:</cite><blockquote>I used to have the Sta/Wis lines as an MT group coercer, but was convinced that the Wis line is really meant more for soloing, as most of the spells used on raids are disruption or ordination.  I decided to go Int line rather than Agi as I like having an item in both the secondary and ranged slots and I get a dps boost without burning more power (which is what the Agi line leads me to do).  If I happen to drop below 30% power, then I get an extra bonus, but that was only two points so it was cheap.  With the mana AA line and tinkerer manastones I can drop below 30% then be well above it again pretty much at will. </blockquote> What kind of zonewide parse can you expect with this kind of setup?  </blockquote>Honestly I don't know, nor really care too much.  I don't consider dps to be my primary contribution to the raid.  It is something that is nice to be higher, but not if it impedes my other functions.  Burning through mana would put a crimp in using Mana Flow and Channel, and there are enough mobs that drain mana and/or remove buffs that power management is more than just throwing up Ease and Beholder's Eye. From what I have seen in my parses, it has added around 100-150 dps, if I haven't dropped below 30% power.  I presume most of that is coming from the spell crit bonus and the higher int.