Brig PvP AA

[Ameniel]

<p> Posted this thread on brig boards originally but didn't get but one person to respond(thanks Leanan <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />). So I'm gonna try Tesar's route with his PvP guardian questions and post here on the main PvP boards. </p><p> I've been playing around with different rogue AA setups, the most recent spec I had was STR/AGI. I recently respecced off that into STA/STR. I decided I want the better survivability of STA line for pvp, and initially thought I wanted STR to complement it. I didn't realize how much I'd miss popping off CAs left & right with sailwind and now my brig seems to be going in slow motion. I also like pirate stab proc. </p><p>So question is, what do the vet pvp brigs who use STA think about STR vs AGI as the second line? Granted I haven't had a chance to use it much but torpo strike doesn't seem to do a whole lot(again maybe I haven't used it enough to observe, only been using it couple times)...although I do like the crits off the STR line, and I'd miss that if I were to respec. But.....sailwind also is just so tempting, it in itself is reason enough for me to do AGI line even without all the other stuff. </p><p>Any feedback would be appreciated. And remember, this is far as overall effectiveness in pvp, not worried about pve/raiding/parsing etc. </p>

[Kru]

<cite>Ameniel wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Posted this thread on brig boards originally but didn't get but one person to respond(thanks Leanan <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />). So I'm gonna try Tesar's route with his PvP guardian questions and post here on the main PvP boards. </p><p> I've been playing around with different rogue AA setups, the most recent spec I had was STR/AGI. I recently respecced off that into STA/STR. I decided I want the better survivability of STA line for pvp, and initially thought I wanted STR to complement it. I didn't realize how much I'd miss popping off CAs left & right with sailwind and now my brig seems to be going in slow motion. I also like pirate stab proc. </p><p>So question is, what do the vet pvp brigs who use STA think about STR vs AGI as the second line? Granted I haven't had a chance to use it much but torpo strike doesn't seem to do a whole lot(again maybe I haven't used it enough to observe, only been using it couple times)...although I do like the crits off the STR line, and I'd miss that if I were to respec. But.....sailwind also is just so tempting, it in itself is reason enough for me to do AGI line even without all the other stuff. </p><p>Any feedback would be appreciated. And remember, this is far as overall effectiveness in pvp, not worried about pve/raiding/parsing etc. </p></blockquote> For PVP, AGI/STA is far better than STR/STA.  Sailwind is a must if you want to be able to gank people and get off your triple up.  If you don't go agility, you miss out on nice pirate stab procs, triple up, and the ability to get off your triple up/double up combo.  Think of it this way.  If you don't kill the person within the first 5 seconds, your chances of winning that fight go down DRAMATICALLY.  You go from let's say 99% chance of killing them to 25% as soon as you go past that mark.  The way to play a Brigand in PVP is to get off your double up/triple up combo as fast as possible, and leave the area as fast as possible.  If you can't get your combo off, you're going to find yourself losing to monks, swashbucklers, and a lot of other classes that do a lot better than us in a longer fight. Keep in mind I'm talking about t7 PVP, not necessarily PVP at your level range.

[Bozidar]

<p>If you're in love with the AGI line, then i have to say that STR or STA depend on your playstyle.</p><p>If you group a lot, and don't have a good tank to control things in combat, then go with the STA line.  The extra defense and taunt will really help in a group setting as you'll be the defacto tank.  You CAN do this, especially with the defensive stance.  Brigands make a fine tank (though never as good as a well played REAL tank).</p><p>If you solo a lot.. it's a judgement call.  I use the STR line because the only classes i really struggle with are healers.  With torp strike and the end line ability (which escapes me, even though i just got it last night <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) you're reducing the recovery time, reuse time, and casting time.. all of which give you a much greater opportunity to interrupt either with your CAs or when you're in your offensive stance.</p><p>And put 5 points into street smarts, resists ftw.. </p>

[Ameniel]

<cite>Kruhl wrote:</cite><blockquote>For PVP, AGI/STA is far better than STR/STA.  Sailwind is a must if you want to be able to gank people and get off your triple up.  If you don't go agility, you miss out on nice pirate stab procs, triple up, and the ability to get off your triple up/double up combo.  Think of it this way.  If you don't kill the person within the first 5 seconds, your chances of winning that fight go down DRAMATICALLY.  You go from let's say 99% chance of killing them to 25% as soon as you go past that mark.  The way to play a Brigand in PVP is to get off your double up/triple up combo as fast as possible, and leave the area as fast as possible.  If you can't get your combo off, you're going to find yourself losing to monks, swashbucklers, and a lot of other classes that do a lot better than us in a longer fight. Keep in mind I'm talking about t7 PVP, not necessarily PVP at your level range. </blockquote><p> Appreicate the reply, and tbh I was thinking the exact same thing far as STA/AGI....I decided I need the AGI line for the exact reason you mention. Gonna wait to respec though heh my last respec was 10gp <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />    And I'm broke all the time so that's a lot to me hehe</p><p>And I do plan on getting to T7 and doing plenty of T7 pvp so the upper tier advice is definitely appreciated.  </p>

[Ameniel]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you're in love with the AGI line, then i have to say that STR or STA depend on your playstyle.</p><p>If you group a lot, and don't have a good tank to control things in combat, then go with the STA line.  The extra defense and taunt will really help in a group setting as you'll be the defacto tank.  You CAN do this, especially with the defensive stance.  Brigands make a fine tank (though never as good as a well played REAL tank).</p><p>If you solo a lot.. it's a judgement call.  I use the STR line because the only classes i really struggle with are healers.  With torp strike and the end line ability (which escapes me, even though i just got it last night <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) you're reducing the recovery time, reuse time, and casting time.. all of which give you a much greater opportunity to interrupt either with your CAs or when you're in your offensive stance.</p><p>And put 5 points into street smarts, resists ftw.. </p></blockquote><p>I agree, I've noticed a huge improvement in my survivability with the STA line...also in small group and duo pvp it's handy to be able to both dps and tank...</p><p>And yeah I'm way ahead of ya, got my 5 points in street smarts heh, resists definitely ftw <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Kru]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you're in love with the AGI line, then i have to say that STR or STA depend on your playstyle.</p><p>If you group a lot, and don't have a good tank to control things in combat, then go with the STA line.  The extra defense and taunt will really help in a group setting as you'll be the defacto tank.  You CAN do this, especially with the defensive stance.  Brigands make a fine tank (though never as good as a well played REAL tank).</p><p>If you solo a lot.. it's a judgement call.  I use the STR line because the only classes i really struggle with are healers.  With torp strike and the end line ability (which escapes me, even though i just got it last night <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) you're reducing the recovery time, reuse time, and casting time.. all of which give you a much greater opportunity to interrupt either with your CAs or when you're in your offensive stance.</p><p>And put 5 points into street smarts, resists ftw.. </p></blockquote> The extra taunt doesn't work in PVP.  I would argue that STA line would be better for solo PVP, seeing as how you're always going to be the target.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Kruhl wrote:</cite><blockquote>The extra taunt doesn't work in PVP.  I would argue that STA line would be better for solo PVP, seeing as how you're always going to be the target. </blockquote><p> STA is the better solo line for beating fighters.</p><p>STR is the better solo line for beating healers.</p><p>IMO.</p><p>Question -- Why doesn't that taunt work in PvP?  That's teh suck!  Is this intended, or a bug?</p>

[Ameniel]

<cite>Kruhl wrote:</cite><blockquote>The extra taunt doesn't work in PVP.  I would argue that STA line would be better for solo PVP, seeing as how you're always going to be the target. </blockquote><p> The AE taunt is no good for pvp? That's absolutely lame...</p><p>Now the mercenary's stand proc, that I know for sure works in pvp. </p>

[Kru]

I don't know why it doesn't work in pvp.  When you get the taunt and examine it, there's no PVP tab.  I tried using it on my friend, and it didn't force him to target me.

[Kru]

Mercenary's stand doesn't work in PVP either.  Someone is attacking you, your mercenary's stand procs, they can immediately change targets.  I tested that as well..