Make gold "No Trade"

[boogar]

<p>I know alot of you will not like this idea but it is just an "IDEA".</p><p>What if we could make gold "no trade" , I know it kinda suxx but it would get rid of the gold seller's and make the economy alot more realistic.The main thing SOE would have to do is let our Main and Alt toon's be able to all sell on the broker at the same time so they all can support themselves.</p><p>   The only thing that would suck about this is not being able to make a private trade/sale ,but I'd rather sacrifice that part of the game to get rid of plat dealer's and to make the economy alot more realistic.The only thing the plat seller's could do if this were to be in game is sell items on there websites. I know this would never happen but it's just a thought. </p><p>It would screw all the Plat seller's and buyer's in one easy step.</p>

[re1master]

Syth@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote><p>I know alot of you will not like this idea but it is just an "IDEA".</p><p>What if we could make gold "no trade" , I know it kinda suxx but it would get rid of the gold seller's and make the economy alot more realistic.The main thing SOE would have to do is let our Main and Alt toon's be able to all sell on the broker at the same time so they all can support themselves.</p><p>   The only thing that would suck about this is not being able to make a private trade/sale ,but I'd rather sacrifice that part of the game to get rid of plat dealer's and to make the economy alot more realistic.The only thing the plat seller's could do if this were to be in game is sell items on there websites. I know this would never happen but it's just a thought. </p><p><b>It would screw all the Plat seller's and buyer's in one easy step.</b></p></blockquote><p> Along with everyone else.  Such rash decisions do nothing but hurt the community on the whole.</p><p>What would people use, a barter system?  Come on.</p>

[Valdaglerion]

While I understand your intent, it simply wont work. You would have to make every object in the game no-trade and non-sellable to a merchant. Otherwise you can make coin no-trade but other items in the game with fixed rates - the most notable - fuels would be used in stead. So I cant trade you 15g, I give you a stack of fuels worth the same equivalent, you sell them to the fuel merchant and wholla, you have your coin. Only way to fight plat sellers is to get rid of their market not the technology which hinders others from playing the game. If no one was buying they wouldnt be selling.

[interstellarmatter]

Wouldn't that just force the gold sellers to deal in something other than gold?  They could just sell you stacks of t7 crafting material.  You could turn around and sell it to the NPC for gold. 

[AlkonTheWarrior]

<p>who could buy anything if money was no trade? what would be the point of money then, lol</p><p>Do you mean make it only tradeable through the broker? Then whats to stop the plat sellers for telling the buyer to put up some worthless piece of garbage on the broker, then them buying it for, say 50p to exchange the money?</p>

[trainzebra]

"Hello Mr. Plat Seller I would like to buy 20 plat please" "OK, put an orc eye on the broker for 20 plat" "Thank you Mr. Plat Seller" Wouldn't work =p

[boogar]

<p>LoL,didn't think of that.Yah it wouldn't work. I'm just sick of all these cheater's buying plat it really annoys me.I met someone yesterday who claimed hes only been playing for 6 day's and was riding a nightmare horse,I asked him how he got the money and he say's a friend gave it to him. Wow some people make friends fast,I know he bought plat and I confronted him and he had nothing to say.</p>

[Odalia]

<p>Boo, you might be right, probably are but just because someone just started dosen't mean that they don't have friends who do give them money. My hubby and I have a friend we brought into the game and we both gave her a plat to help her start out.</p>

[Mwahaha]

I wonder how could someone who has only played for 6 days get enough sp to even buy a nightmare.  I doubt someone who has only played for that short period of time would even know what a HQ or writ is, must of had some extra money to buy lots of status items. 

[mee]

<p>Some people have friends that come and start characters to play with them, and those friends often have been playing the game for some time and have no trouble handing them a few plat to get them a horse or whatever. Just because you're new to the game doesn't mean you don't already know people who are established here and happy to help. </p><p>I certainly don't know what this person's situation is, but neither do you. I think it's dangerous ground to just make assumptions. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Ithilmar]

Has the playerbase has lost site of the goal of this game so badly that they are willing to start a witchhunt for *potential* RMT? These witchhunts have happened before and all that ends up going on is that people leave because of it. When people come to these forums and see these threads, it doesn't make people want to stay, it doesn't make people think the community is a good community, it doesn't make people think hardly anything positive about this game at all. These games aren't about balance, these games aren't about flashy spells or who have the biggest and fastest horse. The game are about FUN. Once again FUN! Stop worrying about thing you can't help and just move on, have FUN! Who cares if he bought his mount with bought currency or not, where did it go? It's GONE, The mount vendor isn't going to go and make purchases from the broker, the plat/gold is GONE. If the player who has the mount is having fun, and it doesn't effect anyone else, then WHO CARES. Sorry, but these threads are getting more and more out of control. Sit back, relax, have FUN, or move on. Some people have fun in different ways. When I joined, I didn't tell my co-worker that I was joining and started on his server, and just by chance, that day he was quitting. He gave me 15 plat to get going. Of course I blew it without knowing exactly what I was doing. Started up various characters and bought a mount for each(and just to say it, when I was new I was just looking for quests, and simply repeatable quests like writs were awesome to me, until I figured out more about how they didn't give AA). Of course the plat was quickly spent, but that wasn't the case, I was having FUN. There isn't any big name MMOs out there free of RMT(even EQ1 and UO still has active RMT), and don't think EQ2 RMTs are that bad. They could be far, far worse. People can put forth all these types of changes all they want, but in the end anything people want changed will only hurt the NORMAL player. RMT isn't dumb and will just move on within hours of the new band-aid, of course then new players can't get free money to start from higher levels that happen to pass by, people can't transfer money between their alts, people can't loan money to guild members to get spells they might not otherwise be able to afford.

[KBern]

Syth@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote><p>I know alot of you will not like this idea but it is just an "IDEA".</p><p>What if we could make gold "no trade" , I know it kinda suxx but it would get rid of the gold seller's and make the economy alot more realistic.The main thing SOE would have to do is let our Main and Alt toon's be able to all sell on the broker at the same time so they all can support themselves.</p><p>   The only thing that would suck about this is not being able to make a private trade/sale ,but I'd rather sacrifice that part of the game to get rid of plat dealer's and to make the economy alot more realistic.The only thing the plat seller's could do if this were to be in game is sell items on there websites. I know this would never happen but it's just a thought. </p><p>It would screw all the Plat seller's and buyer's in one easy step.</p></blockquote><p> No thank you.  It would screw many other people also. </p><p>I would be more bothered by not being able to give money to my alts then I am presently by plat sellers.  When the solution to a problem causes hardship to other players, it is not really a solution IMHO.</p>

[mellowknees72]

<cite>Ithilmar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Has the playerbase has lost site of the goal of this game so badly that they are willing to start a witchhunt for *potential* RMT? </blockquote><p>Hehehe...no, not the whole playerbase...just a chunk of them who post here. <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>No trade gold...bad, bad, idea.  This would punish everyone, and as others have stated, the gold-seller folks would figure a way around it.  These guys are smart and know how to make a buck -- they will figure a way around everything.</p>

[archimidesX]

Syth@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote><p>LoL,didn't think of that.Yah it wouldn't work. I'm just sick of all these cheater's buying plat it really annoys me.I met someone yesterday who claimed hes only been playing for 6 day's and was riding a nightmare horse,I asked him how he got the money and he say's a friend gave it to him. Wow some people make friends fast,I know he bought plat and I confronted him and he had nothing to say.</p></blockquote> you don't know anything, you made an assumption and a rather rash one at that...one which you had no base to make... i don't care for plat sellers, but mostly because they spam e-mails and send tells...if they did neither, then i could give a rat's bootie...there was a time when plat sellers did their business and didn't bother the general populace... if people want to experience the game in one way, that is their business...however when that experience starts impeding on my game time, that is when i start to get irritated...

[NiteWolfe]

 Do you you really think any company is ever going to find a way to get rid of RMT? your a fool if you think so! RMT has been around for a lot longer than this game even thought about it.  You know what? its only getting more popular! With the merging of cultures brings in a player base where this is common practice and is widely acceptable.  After over 10 plus years of RMT in games i dont think SOE is going to find any magic bullet to fix the issue. Personaly i dont really care as long as iam still haveing fun joe smo can buy all the plat he wants it fails to effect me period!

[Valdaglerion]

<p>Personally, I would care less if all the servers were exchange enabled. There are a lot of different play styles and players from various financial backgrounds and real life responsibilities.</p><p> If some corporate professional has more time than money and wants to buy his/her toon and gear nad plat and moutns etc, so be it.</p><p>There are also those of us who are true achievement junkies and have to do it all ourselves but hey, I wont begrudge those who dont have or arent willing to put in the time. IMO - they are only cheating themselves out of entertainment they are paying for BUT then again, thats my play style....</p>

[Wingrider01]

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Personally, I would care less if all the servers were exchange enabled. There are a lot of different play styles and players from various financial backgrounds and real life responsibilities.</p><p> If some corporate professional has more time than money and wants to buy his/her toon and gear nad plat and moutns etc, so be it.</p><p>There are also those of us who are true achievement junkies and have to do it all ourselves but hey, I wont begrudge those who dont have or arent willing to put in the time. IMO - they are only cheating themselves out of entertainment they are paying for BUT then again, thats my play style....</p></blockquote>No thanks, would definately head to other grounds if this occurred, would not want to have to compete with the a character that is the best that a checkbook, either mommie, daddies or personal can buy.  Besides, making all servers "station exchange enabled' does nothing to prevent 3rd part plat/item/PL sellors go away, just makes it easier for them

[NiteWolfe]

<cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Personally, I would care less if all the servers were exchange enabled. There are a lot of different play styles and players from various financial backgrounds and real life responsibilities.</p><p> If some corporate professional has more time than money and wants to buy his/her toon and gear nad plat and moutns etc, so be it.</p><p>There are also those of us who are true achievement junkies and have to do it all ourselves but hey, I wont begrudge those who dont have or arent willing to put in the time. IMO - they are only cheating themselves out of entertainment they are paying for BUT then again, thats my play style....</p></blockquote>No thanks, would definately head to other grounds if this occurred, would not want to have to compete with the a character that is the best that a checkbook, either mommie, daddies or personal can buy.  Besides, making all servers "station exchange enabled' does nothing to prevent 3rd part plat/item/PL sellors go away, just makes it easier for them </blockquote> Well to be honest unless your on a PvP server your not in competion with any one. your only competition in this game is the mobs.

[Killerbee3000]

<cite>NiteWolfe wrote:</cite><blockquote> Well to be honest unless your on a PvP server your not in competion with any one. your only competition in this game is the mobs. </blockquote>srry, i have to call bull on that... you are indeed in competition with others.... kill harder mobs than the next best guy of the same class... acquire better gear to show off while afk standing in qh during work, two box to the end of sos faster than the pickup group that is just forming up at zone in... get more item discos on new expansion releases than your guildmates.... lvl faster, have more toons at 70... get more quests done than the other guy... have more plat than the other guy... have a bigger selcection of crafted goods on the broker than the competition... have a nicer house than the others.... acquire fancier titles than others... and so on...

[Lornick]

No offense to the OP, I know you're trying to think "outside the box", but this is one of the worst ideas I've ever seen.  I'd rather get spammed every 5 seconds than see this come about... especially since it would stop nothing.

[sayitaintso]

How about if they just track all the coin transfers and investigated those that appeared to be shady....A level 6 toon on a new account giving someone 100 plat looks a bit suspicious don't ya think? Someone buying lion meat for 100 plat looks a little out of sorts doesn't it?? Sure it could happen but how often does it occur and the transfer is legit.....let's be real here.. Well these are the type of things that go on to get plat buyers their RMT coin...I don't see SOE doing anything about it..do you??? there is no reason to [Removed for Content] the game for honest players to stop cheaters....SOE just has to be proactive...but that's not going to happen now is it...nope..

[silentpsycho]

Syth@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote>I'm just sick of all these cheater's buying plat it really annoys me.  I met someone yesterday who claimed hes only been playing for 6 day's and was riding a nightmare horse,I asked him how he got the money and he say's a friend gave it to him. Wow some people make friends fast,I know he bought plat and I confronted him and he had nothing to say.</blockquote>Why does it bother you?  Honestly, it sounds like jealousy to me.  Personally, I don't see the point in paying someone real money for something intangible like goods in a video game.  Accumulating money, goods and equipment is supposed to be part of the fun of the game, so, these people are paying people to play the game for them - essentially.  I don't get it.  I also don't get why the fact that someone has something you don't, in a video game, would cause you to be annoyed in real life.  If people are dumb enough to pay real money so they don't have to do something they are supposed to enjoy, more power to them I guess.  If the time/effort required to accumulate the sort of things they are selling is not fun, to the point where you would actually want to spend real money to avoid it, well, then that is another problem.  Just my $0.02.

[Vonotar]

<cite>trainzebra wrote:</cite><blockquote>"Hello Mr. Plat Seller I would like to buy 20 plat please" "OK, put an orc eye on the broker for 20 plat" "Thank you Mr. Plat Seller" Wouldn't work =p</blockquote>They do this already... Do a search on the broker with no parameters, then click last page and look for the items for sale that are waaay lower than level 70....

[Oakum]

<p>Bad idea. The game has two supposedly equal sides. Adventuring and tradeskilling. To make it work you would have to basically remove any selling ability in the game and make everything no trade plus when it comes to tradeskilling, the ability to SELL your goods to fellow adventurers is an intregal part of it.</p><p>I play the game for fun and prefer to win my gear/spells at lotto and just buy off the broker when I cant seem to get my masters to drop or I have a lot of excess money which is almost never since me, my wife's,  and daughter's alts alway seem to need money.  What true daddy will turn down his little girl asking for fake money so she can have some fun buying collection items unless they just hate their kids?</p><p>I don't even mind people buying plat and the gold seller spam, while annoying, just gets a /report gold seller from me. I look at it as that if someone feels they need to buy plat, they are only hurting their own game play experience. They will not appreciate the rare master drop as much as I will that no guildie needs so I can sell. </p><p>What bothers me is the plat farmers who do hinder my gameplay experience is the cloth classes that kill all the handlers needed for writs in on Isle of Awakening for example making continuous sweeps to kill for loot drops only. From what I have seen though, most of these are probably not plat sellers, just rude players that lie and say they are doing writs too after they have killed their 30th handler and all other mobs in a continous killing cycle. </p><p>People talk about farming as the best way to make money in the game, its not, the best way is to mine the broker. Buy low and sell high, it just takes a little more patience and a lot of willingness to put up with hours of intense boredom and to drive prices up for all players. That why I dont sell shiny's any more, they go to guild bank or the vender now. I got tired very early of seeing collectables I put on the broker cheap in order to help other players finish their collection quest get bought for 10 silver and resold for 50 gold. </p><p>The only way to truy remove plat sellers is to remove the need for large amounts of plat for items. Set a limit on how much an item of blank type can go for. 40 plat for a fabled, 5 plat for legendary, 1 plat for treasured, 50 gold for a collection, ect. If there is not need for a lot of plat, it cant be sold. Lol.</p>

[Berri]

<p>I agree with the original post, its the mechanics of how to do this is hard, not the concept. For example a 30 mins cooling period for gold transfer to allow a check/balance system etc etc, no gold exchange for characters below lvl 10 etc etc. Cant exchange gold on between accounts younger than 1month. This type of thing promotes big brother mentally but its worth it because...</p><p>Its all good to say just have fun but the real trouble is, and this is why i know sony are addressing the problem, is that plat selling destroys the economy by giving them an inflation rate that is out of the bounds of what the expected.</p><p>Noone, who is having fun wants to be priced out of the game by dedicated money makers.</p><p>Someone mentioned set prices for fabled, mythical etc, thats a form of communism and wont work in a free market based game</p>

[xguild]

<p>There are a lot of already good reasons not to do this and I think its highly unlikly something like this would ever be considered.  It suffices  to say howver that it would have no effect on gold resellers at all as they are a clever bunch and any system you create they will find a way around it.  It took me all of 30 seconds to find a way around a "gold no trade" type system and I'm sure it would take them less time then that.</p><p> You do bring up a important and very ugly aspect of MMO's which of course is "gold", "content" and "account" sellers and although in most cases the impact of these things are minimal on the game world, there are cases and games, like Everquest 2 that are affected it more then others.  For example in World of Warcraft gold resellers are completetly irrelevant as getting gold is so easy and everyone is so rich anyone that they have almost no impact on the economy at all and its really there more for new players who just want to get a jump start.  Games like Eve Online on the other hand are hit very hard by content sellers and it affects the game and the company very dramatical as players leave the game out of frustration and the resellers who are accountable for at least 20% of active accounts give up theri business and walk away as well.  The result is a catastrophic drop in membership.</p><p> With that said however in the case of Everquest 2 I think gold resellers really have a minimal impact on the economy and the game itself.  In the end, leveling up in the game is not all that hard, nor is getting acces to decent items and it really doesn't take that much gold to have fun in the game world as a whole, hence buying gold is really there for people with expendable incomes as your average player wouldn't waste his money on such things.  The value of in game gold in the case of Everquest 2 is a good indicator that getting gold is not that hard (I believe its at .01 cent per 1 gold now).  This unfortunatly is also mostly an American problem, as on the European servers the gold resellers don't even bother spamming us because quite frankly Europeans are way to stingy to waste their money on virtual property.  Americans have a tendency to be willing to pay for crapola (no offense, I'm actually American so I know).  Really players are the cause of their own problem and while the minority on the forum complain about the problem the majority are buying gold and supporting this entire industry of content farming and reselling which I think is why the problem isn't being so aggressivly attacked by game developers.  In the end to get rid of the problem they would have to aggressivly persecute their own customers.</p>