Got owned repeatedly by a Warlock

[Killque]

<p>Last night I had the honor of fighting two very skilled individuals.</p><p>The names specificly escape me, however one was a 46 warlock and the other was a 44 monk.</p><p>After discussing through pets it was understood we would dual one at a time. We all stepped off the dock and first came the monk.</p><p>The Warlock watched as we began our dual. The outcome was less than spectacular as I knew it would be as monk's are my forte. No fault of his own, I was able to stun, get in a few shots, then snare, backup while nuking, then root and finish him off. I think he only got a few hits in (like 2 or three).</p><p>Then on to the Warlock (Battlemage).</p><p>At first I thought I would have no trouble, but I soon found out that I was being nuked for over 1/3 of my life each time. Biggest hit for him was 1800 or so. Needless to say I lost.</p><p>He logged on to a freep and we congradulated each other, and we went back at it with the Dirge and Warlock a few more times.</p><p>The monk stood by also to watch and did not jump in.</p><p>One fight I dished out about 2400 dmg while he did a whomping 4500+ dmg to me.</p><p>I used every trick in the book at one point and still nothing. His manashield and wards were too much for me to handle and where I really feel that brigand etc are able to pull this off is the sheer number of stuns they have and their durations.</p><p>Overall was fun and greatly enjoyed!</p>

[Bozidar]

the disease on disease fight is interesting.. i'm surprised you couldn't debuff his mit down low enough to get more damage in, cuz it seems he got yours down <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bozidar]

went to your char screen to check it out, but what's your disease and poison resists?

[Killque]

<p>I dont know exactly as I cannot log in to the page to see my stats. Sony's web site for this game is beyond bad imo... anyway</p><p>Buffed, I think I am around 2500-3000 disease and 1800 - 2000 poison.</p><p>I really feel that it was the manashield that saved the day =)</p><p>Edit; Hehe see my deathstreak below in my sig... thats from the warlock =P </p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I dont know exactly as I cannot log in to the page to see my stats. Sony's web site for this game is beyond bad imo... anyway</p><p>Buffed, I think I am around 2500-3000 disease and 1800 - 2000 poison.</p><p>I really feel that it was the manashield that saved the day =)</p><p>Edit; Hehe see my deathstreak below in my sig... thats from the warlock =P </p></blockquote>Warlocks deal primarlily poison damage Im told.

[Ameniel]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I dont know exactly as I cannot log in to the page to see my stats. Sony's web site for this game is beyond bad imo... anyway</p><p>Buffed, I think I am around 2500-3000 disease and 1800 - 2000 poison.</p><p>I really feel that it was the manashield that saved the day =)</p><p>Edit; Hehe see my deathstreak below in my sig... thats from the warlock =P </p></blockquote>Warlocks deal primarlily poison damage Im told. </blockquote>Actually, mostly disease and some poison...and I think a few spells with heat/cold

[Bozidar]

<cite>Ameniel wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, mostly disease and some poison...and I think a few spells with heat/cold </blockquote><p> not sure about heat, but they do have a fast-casting cold nuke.</p><p>Reason i asked about poison is that he's a dirge.. and his resists against disease are probably going to be among his highest.</p><p>Hmm... Killque -- do you /log fights?  Would be interesting to read the logs and see what's going on there.  I'd like to know if his debuffs landed or not.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Ameniel wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I dont know exactly as I cannot log in to the page to see my stats. Sony's web site for this game is beyond bad imo... anyway</p><p>Buffed, I think I am around 2500-3000 disease and 1800 - 2000 poison.</p><p>I really feel that it was the manashield that saved the day =)</p><p>Edit; Hehe see my deathstreak below in my sig... thats from the warlock =P </p></blockquote>Warlocks deal primarlily poison damage Im told. </blockquote>Actually, mostly disease and some poison...and I think a few spells with heat/cold </blockquote>I never played one so I wouldnt know for sure, as I said, I've been told htat poison is a warlocks main source. How true this is, I hav eno idea of. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Killque]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ameniel wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, mostly disease and some poison...and I think a few spells with heat/cold </blockquote><p> not sure about heat, but they do have a fast-casting cold nuke.</p><p>Reason i asked about poison is that he's a dirge.. and his resists against disease are probably going to be among his highest.</p><p>Hmm... Killque -- do you /log fights?  Would be interesting to read the logs and see what's going on there.  I'd like to know if his debuffs landed or not.</p></blockquote> I use ACT to parse every fight and scruitnize it throughly. I only saw one fight with a debuff that landed. He output like 4500dmg one fight while I was only able to manage 2400 or so.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>I use ACT to parse every fight and scruitnize it throughly. I only saw one fight with a debuff that landed. He output like 4500dmg one fight while I was only able to manage 2400 or so.</blockquote><p> Very interesting... </p><p>I mean no offense by the questions I'm asking, btw, i'm quite ignorant of the dirge class from the dirge point of view, and have played a warlock to 32 (before he met the chopping block because my brain functions too much like a berserker to play a class like a warlock, or a dirge for that matter).</p><p>How many interrupts do you have at 44 on the dirge? Stifles? Stuns?</p><p>I remember when leveling up my assassin that i had one stifle, 1 real stun, and i think 1 or 2 interrupts (can't recall).  </p><p>Again.. not trying to say you don't play your class well, i know you do, just trying to understand how a warlock pwns a dirge when only 1 debuff landed.  It's fascinating.  I guess the mana shield is pretty [Removed for Content] powerful.</p><p>How many of your debuffs landed?</p><p>Also -- i've been told that a dirge isnt a quick killer, more of a DOT type of scout.  If this is true, it means you're at a significant disadvantage against a warlock or a wizard then, because they ARE fast dps and are a lot tougher than they used to be.</p>

[Bozidar]

double post, ftl

[Killque]

<p>Now, I have killed warlocks, and wizards in their 50s solo.... so it is possible for me to kill them... but when we are standing there at a distance from each other....both ready for the fight and no suprises, I dont think I stand much of a chance 9 times out of 10.</p><p>- I have 2 interups (one is an AoE interupt non attack, infact that is the ONLY AoE Dirge have up through lvl 44) - 2 Stuns, (Cheap Shot and Shield Bash from AA line) but one requires a shield, which I wear 99% of the time, however when I fight casters I go DW for the fact that they dont Meele, and the extra attacks can interupt on their own, and my procs from my AA and general abilities have more of a chance to proc. Plus my primary DW has a 20% haste proc which when it does proc puts me at 43% haste with my haste item. I have a macro that switches in my DW and Board and sword so I did switch and bash during the fights.</p><p>I do not have any stiffles, but I do have a daze. As most casters dont auto attack, this is pretty worthless. (if he had a pet that would be different).</p><p>I led off each fight with my Disease debuff (debuffs like for 1200) as it is also my snare (60%) and it landed each time. I knew I didnt have time to cast any more debuffs as I have a lot of them and it takes a while to get them off and I would have been dead before they all landed.</p><p>I have items that procs a stun for 9 seconds in PvP, however they need to hit me with Meele for it to proc (Iceloom) 6% chance with an additional 25% of that 6% due to Luck of the dirge.</p><p>This 46 Warlock had 55AA, I currently have 60AA.</p><p>I really wanted to Pumice stone him but with the 2 second cast time of that debuff, it put me way behind and he was able to out dmg me.</p><p>I tried the following:</p><p>Snare, Stun, Pumice, attack attack, Interupt, Attack attack Shield bash, Attack, useability (breastplate of undeath), Aoe Interupt, attack, useability Pliabble clay leggings, attack</p><p>I switched that up, and tried differnt combos, left Pumice out at one pioint to gain 2 seconds of fighting, Breastplate us of course useable only once every 30 mins and leggings is every 15mins so those were used only once.</p><p>Good fights, He knows his class. Wizards and Locks get some nice attacks with stuns that let them automaticly get in some extra attacks. I didnt have any stun immune items, but I did use the following.</p><p>+45 Wis potion, +45 Int potion + 45 Str potion, Both Charms from Bloodlines quest (one adds st and agi the other adds + to slashing.</p><p>I had the following buffs on, STR AGI, DPS, Dmg Proc group, Dmg Proc Self w/Str and Agi, Luck of Dirge, + to (not vs) Slash pierce crush.</p><p>My addition to slash pierce and crush was probably in the 40s..</p><p>Edit: Each fight I healed myself for around 1000 Hps...</p>

[Bozidar]

<p>Thanks for the info.  I'd love to see if you can come up with a strategy to beat him.</p><p>Do you have the Charm AA? I think both bards can get it, but i don't know the duration of it.</p><p>though it needs not be said, much respect for the solo bards out there.  great classes, and takes a lot of skill (i don't have) to solo them.. </p><p>and boku respect to this warlock <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Killque]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thanks for the info.  I'd love to see if you can come up with a strategy to beat him.</p><p>Do you have the Charm AA? I think both bards can get it, but i don't know the duration of it.</p><p>though it needs not be said, much respect for the solo bards out there.  great classes, and takes a lot of skill (i don't have) to solo them.. </p><p>and boku respect to this warlock <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote><p> Dirge do not get any charm, we have Fear, and we get aa to reduce cast time and reuse time (which will be nice) but I will need 10aa before I consider starting that as there are better ones to be had.</p><p>However, I do have a 12 second Charm. As follower of Innorruk they changed one of the Miracles to be a 12 second charm. Great fun for taking out groups solo. Charm the healer and have my "way" with the women and ch... er I mean other group members.</p><p> =)</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dirge do not get any charm, we have Fear, and we get aa to reduce cast time and reuse time (which will be nice) but I will need 10aa before I consider starting that as there are better ones to be had. <p>However, I do have a 12 second Charm. As follower of Innorruk they changed one of the Miracles to be a 12 second charm. Great fun for taking out groups solo. Charm the healer and have my "way" with the women and ch... er I mean other group members. <span style="color: #ffff00"><--- rofl, sicko</span></p><p> =)</p></blockquote><p>yeah, a 12 sec charm would probably kill a warlock <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  pumice him, and lay out debuff/dots for 10 seconds.. by the time the charm wears off, it's over for him.</p><p>But god abilities aren't a good measure of a true 1v1... (but i sure do love to use them when i'm fighting the tough fights) </p>

[Groma]

You want to know how to kill a lowbie warlock with ease?  Run to aggro mobs, strength debuff him, and watch him die <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Our damage is mostly poison, with a touch of disease, 1 cold stun, one cold and heat snare(short range) and after you get to T6+ we get 2 magic attacks.  Manashield is great, but only truly powerful when combined with Nullmail.  Good luck on your next go round, but chances are he is just barely able to run at normal speed on a lowbie warlock, a good 50pt str debuff should root him for the duration.

[Killque]

<p>Correct me if I an wrong, but if I charm them, I cannot cast any hostile spells on them such as pumice, debuffs etc. I think that is Mez your thinking of. </p><p>Not really any agro mobs to a lvl 46 in Nek forest =P</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Gromann wrote:</cite><blockquote>You want to know how to kill a lowbie warlock with ease?  Run to aggro mobs, strength debuff him, and watch him die <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>to give him the "overburdened" thing? why str debuff?

[Bozidar]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Correct me if I an wrong, but if I charm them, I cannot cast any hostile spells on them such as pumice, debuffs etc. I think that is Mez your thinking of. </p><p>Not really any agro mobs to a lvl 46 in Nek forest =P</p></blockquote>i've seen a troub charm a guy, and we can still attack him.  If you kill him before the charm wears off, you don't get any credit.. but i'm fairly certain you can still attack (well, i know anyone else can still attack him, not sure about caster)

[Killque]

<p>STR Depicts how much you can carry without being burdened.</p><p>This is much more pronounced in Caster types with low str stats. Everyone else pretty much never notices.</p><p>I can debuff AGI and STR by 81 to target encounter with 1 debuff, that would make a difference for sure.</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>STR Depicts how much you can carry without being burdened.</p><p>This is much more pronounced in Caster types with low str stats. Everyone else pretty much never notices.</p><p>I can debuff AGI and STR by 81 to target encounter with 1 debuff, that would make a difference for sure.</p></blockquote>yeah, and probably a huge kick in the nutz for his avoidance, too.  I like it! <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Groma]

trouby cannot attack the charmed target, but you can charm him and send him into mobs, when the charm breaks the mobs will stay on him.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Gromann wrote:</cite><blockquote>trouby cannot attack the charmed target, but you can charm him and send him into mobs, when the charm breaks the mobs will stay on him. </blockquote><p> Hmmm.. ok, don't help too much in Nek forest again, but good to know.</p><p>Can you force him to attack a target when he's charmed, and will that target stay on him when it breaks?</p>

[Killque]

<p>Mez = Cannot move or do anything, but is still attackable etc (ushally attacking something that is is mezed witll break mez. Troub's get Mez initially.</p><p>Charm  = Pet</p><p>Trouby's get Charm in their 50s I think.</p>

[Killque]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gromann wrote:</cite><blockquote>trouby cannot attack the charmed target, but you can charm him and send him into mobs, when the charm breaks the mobs will stay on him. </blockquote><p> Hmmm.. ok, don't help too much in Nek forest again, but good to know.</p><p><b>Can you force him to attack a target when he's charmed, and will that target stay on him when it breaks?</b></p></blockquote> Yes.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Trouby's get Charm in their 50s I think.</p></blockquote> Seen em do it a lot lower than 50's.. it's an AA line, i believe.  Thought it was all bards, guess it's just troubs though.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><b></b> Yes.</blockquote><p> Well, there is usually a 30 guard or two near the docks in Nek, a couple i think.  If you're fighting just off the docks, they'd be nice targets for this.  They won't do a whole lot of damage to him, but they'll do some, and the interrupts will help as well.</p><p>Still.. not a strategy i think you'd go with.. there's got to be something <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Killque]

<p>There are things that are just not doable at times and I am willing to admit defeat =). Infact, I am very glad that I have a very hard time with some classes, because I would have nothing to strive for if I didnt.</p><p>Actually, in one of my videos I take on solo a 46 Pally and 46 Warlock that were grouped. Now these characters didnt have a lot of AA I would be willing to bet and their gear was substandard, but for a solo to take out a tank and caster that are 2 levels above them together is a feat for anyone.</p><p>I do really feel that it is Manashield that is the determining factor here. =)</p>

[Ozgood]

<p>I will weigh in here.  Troub Charm at 50 takes awhile to cast and they must have a certain amount of conc slots free, which most Troubs and bards in general don't.  Your miracle charm would be the ticket even if you have them attack a grey or green.</p><p>One thing not mentioned though is that Warlocks get an AA that make them unable to be interrupted for 15 seconds and greatly increases their reuse timers.  Pretty much can do enough DPS to hurt any classes feelings.  The good news is that it roots them for the duration and is only reusable I believe every 3 minutes.  So while debuffing strength is a good idea anyways, it might not do to much when they are already rooted.</p><p>So, if I were you with a Warlock, I would try to get out of his range and see if he follows, on the run you are much better than he/she is, and if they don't move, it might be because he popped this ability.  Simply get to max box range and fill him up.  As soon as he moves closer, use you bow root and continue the onslaught.</p><p>Now the Warlock has a decision to make as you probably won't kill him with a bow with the shielding AAs.  However, now they can be stunned, interrupted and basically unleashed upon.</p><p>Tough kill anyway you slice it.  I think the best way to kill these toons is extreme burst DPS, which a dirge can't really do.  You simply have to work harder, like it sounds like you have already been doing.</p>

[Splintered]

I have a lvl 37 warlock on venekor, and I rarely lose to anyone. I do have some trouble with high con very twinked SK's, and the same would go for druids. Otherwise, I can pretty much kill anyone else. I just fought a lvl 43 dirge the other day who was twinked, m1's ect.. and he barely got me to 90%. My resist are insane though. Warlocks can be very powerful in the right setup, i.e. hastenings buff, and most importantly manashield. Its all about playing the class to its full protential. A dirge can ussually not get even close to doing enough damage to take me down.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are things that are just not doable at times and I am willing to admit defeat =). Infact, I am very glad that I have a very hard time with some classes, because I would have nothing to strive for if I didnt.</p><p>Actually, in one of my videos I take on solo a 46 Pally and 46 Warlock that were grouped. Now these characters didnt have a lot of AA I would be willing to bet and their gear was substandard, but for a solo to take out a tank and caster that are 2 levels above them together is a feat for anyone.</p><p>I do really feel that it is Manashield that is the determining factor here. =)</p></blockquote><p> heh, i agree with you about it being ok to not be able to beat X, and doing your best to build your toon to be ABLE to beat them.</p><p>As for a 46 duo of crappy players, come on <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  What good player couldn't kill a yellow duo of what amount to bots?</p><p>I'm in agreement with you on manashield.  I still remember the first time i jumped a clothy with it.. it was bovious, and deadly-ish.  A very nice ability for lowbie sorcerers to get...</p>

[PeaSy1]

I played a troub to 30 (before i realized how much i hated the froglok) and we get out charm at 20 (same time dirge gets fear i think) but up to 30 i never had a mez. Unless it comes from some aa line.

[Killque]

<cite>PeaSy1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I played a troub to 30 (before i realized how much i hated the froglok) and we get out charm at 20 (same time dirge gets fear i think) but up to 30 i never had a mez. Unless it comes from some aa line.</blockquote> It was either charm or mez but one of them they get in the 50s I thought... I could be full of it though =)

[Magius789]

I'm sure this is probably already been said but I didn't want to read three pages.  My roommate has a warlock and the brigs stuns wouldn't do anything against his focus casting.  Focus casting halves his cast times, makes him uninteruptable, and halves his recovery speed if I'm not mistaken.  Add that with the wards and you have yourself 15 seconds of pure dmg dealing death.  Its amazing what he can do what that guy.

[Sildeven]

Killq,  if you want a good fight look me up on Vox.  Wingman is a 41 warlock and always looking for a good one v one battle.

[HerbertWalker]

<p>Funny, I posted a couple weeks ago about my 36 battlemage wiz owning red con brigands often, and no one believed me.  I see people are starting to realize that these 2 classes are built very well in the lower levels.  It is only T7 that is messed up.  The battlemage is the anti-scout, pre T7.</p>

[Sildeven]

<p>Well Killque fought Wingman one v one tonight.  Well almost.  While Killque fell to the ground another dread 45 healer pulled him from death gave him about 2k health and took me out.  At least we know how the story would have ended without the healer.  Next time ill bring my back up also.  Good Fight.</p>