Please Allow Us to Renounce Deity From Personal Shrine

[Ponos]

<p>Currently, any class can worship from among 5 gods.  (There are 8 total, I believe.)</p><p>The only problem is, in order to switch between those available gods you must first travel all the way to the location of their steward, right-click their shrine and select "Renounce."</p><p>Then you must travel to the steward of the god you want to start worshipping, right-click their shrine and select "Worship."</p><p>Since each steward rewards you with a personal shrine for completing the first step of their questlines, can we please be able to Worship / Renounce straight from any of these house item shrines?</p><p>Or any deity shrines for that matter, Imbued and Blessed, etc.</p><p>This only makes sense since we can "Pray" and "Sacrifice" at our personal shrines.  We should be able to "Renounce" and "Worship."</p><p>Thank you for your consideration!</p>

[ganjookie]

I think the Gods would appreciate being told to their face that they aren't wanted.  Doing it from a personal shrine is like breaking up over the phone..or on myspace. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Mareth]

Kithian@Permafrost wrote: <blockquote>I think the Gods would appreciate being told to their face that they aren't wanted.  Doing it from a personal shrine is like breaking up over the phone..or on myspace. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>You'd have to enter their planes to do that, it's just the prophets at the altars in EoF.

[Ashmen_Skimmerhorn]

How lazy can you be? You only have to go to BB for most of the Gods, it takes what, 5 - 8 min. Why doesnt SOE just let us kill all the Epic mobs from our apt. and have all the master chests placed at our feet. That way none of us ever have to leave our apts. in Qeynos or Freeport.

[Ponos]

<cite>Ashmen_Skimmerhorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>How lazy can you be? You only have to go to BB for most of the Gods, it takes what, 5 - 8 min. Why doesnt SOE just let us kill all the Epic mobs from our apt. and have all the master chests placed at our feet. That way none of us ever have to leave our apts. in Qeynos or Freeport. </blockquote><p> Certainly gods offer certain blessing and miracles that are advantageous depending upon your role within the group, or what it is that you're trying to accomplish.</p><p>Worshipping and Renouncing wouldn't be a one time thing, but a regular occurrence.  So you want me to travel to Kelethin and Butcherblock every time I want to maximize my potential for success?  </p><p>Next time, think before you speak.  It's not a quest of laziness, it's a question of unnecessary inconvenience.</p>

[Illmarr]

One person's inconvienence is another's laziness. <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[MadTexan3]

I understand that this is just a game, but it is (in theory at least) an RP game and with that in mind do you really think it should be <i>convenient</i> to tell Innoruuk to 'Bugger off until I need your help again, for now I'm going to favor Solusek Ro', etc.?

[MadTexan3]

<p>EDIT: Sorry, double post.</p>

[TonlinT]

I 100% agree with the OP. Why give us the shrines in the first place, why not makes us take that pilgrimage every time we want to stock up  on miracles or make a sacrifice?

[MadTexan3]

<cite>TonlinT wrote:</cite><blockquote>I 100% agree with the OP. Why give us the shrines in the first place, why not makes us take that pilgrimage every time we want to stock up  on miracles or make a sacrifice?</blockquote><p>I'm not a dev but I think it's abundantly clear they want you to have convenient access to the blessings and miracles of the god you are pledge, but they don't want you to change gods like you change clothes. Accordingly, you can get the blessings and miracles from a personal shrine but to change gods you have to make a trip. Not that complicated, really. </p>

[TonlinT]

<p>"I'm not a dev but I think it's abundantly clear they want you to have convenient access to the blessings and miracles of the god you are pledge, but they don't want you to change gods like you change clothes. Accordingly, you can get the blessings and miracles from a personal shrine but to change gods you have to make a trip. Not that complicated, really." </p><p>I'm not a dev either, but I do have an opinion, and it differs from yours. </p><p>It wouldn't be as easy as changing clothes, the diety quests don't do themselves.</p>

[MadTexan3]

TonlinT wrote: <blockquote>I'm not a dev either, but I do have an opinion, and it differs from yours. <p>It wouldn't be as easy as changing clothes, the diety quests don't do themselves.</p></blockquote><p>Regardless, by how it works now it's still clear that changing gods on a daily basis is <u>not</u> what the devs have in mind, beyond the fact that logically it's a silly concept. Further, just because they gave us the option to change gods by no means should be taken to mean that they intended it to be something you conveniently do before your daily raids to optimize your assigned role.</p>

[Noaani]

<p>Everyone has an opinion on every single aspect of this game. Everyones opinion is valid in that is it *that persons opinion*. The only opinions that actually matter are the ones hat fit in with SoEs design for this game, but that doesn't mean people can not have other opinions, as long as they are aware that they are only opinions, and everyone else will have their own.</p><p>That said, I'd like to see that in order for us to renounce our current deity, we need to talk to the Avatar of our deity, tell him personally to shove it, at which point he will become KoS and kill us instantly (assuming of course that no single player can take on a 75x4 epic.</p><p>Obviously, in order to do this, you would need to get to yout deity before a raid guild on your server kills it.</p>

[MadTexan3]

Noaani wrote: <blockquote><p>Everyone has an opinion on every single aspect of this game. Everyones opinion is valid in that is it *that persons opinion*. The only opinions that actually matter are the ones hat fit in with SoEs design for this game, but that doesn't mean people can not have other opinions, as long as they are aware that they are only opinions, and everyone else will have their own.</p></blockquote><p>It should be clear that in general anything posted by anyone here other than an SOE employee is just opinion. That's just my opinion, of course.</p>

[Skywarrior]

<p>In my opinion, renouncing a diety should carry a penalty heavy enough to make the player pause and yet still possible to overcome.  For instance, when the character renounces a diety he loses status with that diety equivalent to the total amount of status he has ever gained from that diety, times two.  This will ensure that players who renounce always go into negative status with that diety and the longer you have actively worshipped (gained status) the deeper into the hole you go.</p><p>Example:  You worship Tunare and have gained 300,000 status points (it doesn't matter how much you have spent, only total gained).  If you renounce to worship Marr, you lose 600,000 points.  Or maybe just have your status set to -300,000 instead of subtracting from you current status pool.</p><p>This allows new worshippers to change their mind without too much penalty yet provides significant incentive to not "deity hop".</p>

[Mantell]

<p>The penalty for renouncing is pretty stiff, it reduces you to "Indifferent" status, you need about 25k status to get miracles again which you can only get from sacrificing items (since you presumably already did the quests).</p><p>I think they didn't put it on the altars because people are spazzes and they would prefer to avoid the petitions saying "I renounced accidentally!" By making it so you have to go to a specific place and talk to a specific person and click a specific altar they are pretty much making it impossible for you to do it by accident.</p>

[KBern]

Ponos@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Ashmen_Skimmerhorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>How lazy can you be? You only have to go to BB for most of the Gods, it takes what, 5 - 8 min. Why doesnt SOE just let us kill all the Epic mobs from our apt. and have all the master chests placed at our feet. That way none of us ever have to leave our apts. in Qeynos or Freeport. </blockquote><p> Certainly gods offer certain blessing and miracles that are advantageous depending upon your role within the group, or what it is that you're trying to accomplish.</p><p>Worshipping and Renouncing wouldn't be a one time thing, but a regular occurrence.  So you want me to travel to Kelethin and Butcherblock every time I want to maximize my potential for success?  </p><p>Next time, think before you speak.  It's not a quest of laziness, it's a question of unnecessary inconvenience.</p></blockquote><p>Have you ever considered your reasoning is the exact reason why it is not allowed?</p><p>Diety miracles and blessings are not simply temporary powers to be changed at a whim.  I am surprised there is not a long time constraint in places when people switch dieties, so a simply requirement for travel is totally acceptable. </p>