New Content B4 RoK In Nov?

[The_Real_Ohno]

Just really bored atm with EQ2.  Need somethin to hold us off till RoK, Nov is just to far away.  Done the alts thing, just really want stuff to do on my Main. 

[EtoilePirate]

Well, if a new city, new player race, and new zones aren't "new content" then I don't know what is.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It might not be end-game but my goodness I'm loving Neriak.

[zixtent]

<cite>EtoilePirate wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, if a new city, new player race, and new zones aren't "new content" then I don't know what is.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It might not be end-game but my goodness I'm loving Neriak. </blockquote>Exactly and this is suppose to come out this coming week right.

[The_Real_Ohno]

Like I said, stuff on my main that is towards the lvl 70s, low lvl stuff is not what I was lookin for.

[Josgar]

Im guessing since Unrest was like 2 months ago, and Neriak is this month... in a month or two they will probabbly add onto New Tunaria... It has this nice Castle... but you cannot go into it!

[Hannalynn]

I would love to see inside the Castle in Tunaria, well nice. Also there are quite a few other places scattered around the world where there is potential to open a door that leads somewhere, or uncover a rock structure, you never know where new content could come! In Darklight woods, though I know it's a 20 and under-ish zone, there are two places off the top of my head, I can think of that could be opened up to reveal new places, and it doesnt mean they have to be low level places.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Josgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Im guessing since Unrest was like 2 months ago, and Neriak is this month... in a month or two they will probabbly add onto New Tunaria... It has this nice Castle... but you cannot go into it! </blockquote>I believe they've talked about doing something in just that zone.

[theplayer0670]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Like I said, stuff on my main that is towards the lvl 70s, low lvl stuff is not what I was lookin for.</blockquote> wow you must get bored pretty easily heh. If unrest and neriak wasnt enouhgh (more than any MMO in the past few months has offered) I dont think you will be happy anywhere<img src="/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[The_Real_Ohno]

<p>EoF was not a higher lvl exspansion.  Anyone that plays alot (prob play more then I should) was done with EoF by now, quests, alts pretty much what EoF has to offer.  </p><p>Unrest was nice yes, but for 8 months that was soppose to tie us over till RoK in Nov?  </p><p>Neriak is low lvl, done in a week tops.</p><p>I would like to see an adv pack or somethin like we got last year b4 EoF,  but we got KoS a few months b4 that so most were still busy in KoS.</p><p>Im glad your still happy with what EQ2 has to offer Sygard, for someone that hasent even seen lvl 16 yet, im sure theres still lots to offer in this game.  Do u even play more then 1 hr a week?</p>

[Controlor]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>EoF was not a higher lvl exspansion.  Anyone that plays alot (prob play more then I should) was done with EoF by now, quests, alts pretty much what EoF has to offer.  </p><p>Unrest was nice yes, but for 8 months that was soppose to tie us over till RoK in Nov?  </p><p>Neriak is low lvl, done in a week tops.</p><p>I would like to see an adv pack or somethin like we got last year b4 EoF,  but we got KoS a few months b4 that so most were still busy in KoS.</p><p>Im glad your still happy with what EQ2 has to offer Sygard, for someone that hasent even seen lvl 16 yet, im sure theres still lots to offer in this game.  Do u even play more then 1 hr a week?</p></blockquote>A few things: <ol><li>They said they will not be making any more adventure packs. They will however be slowly adding free content between each expansion (adventure packs wernt free).</li><li>If it takes you a week tops to get everything from Neriak then your not getting eveything from neriak. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></li><li>Way to belittle the guy GJ *sarcasim*</li><li>They will most likely include a new higher lvl zone befor nov. Namely the castle in felwithe. (NT)</li></ol>So yah paitience is a virtue. If you ran out of things to do i am sorry to hear that. Go back and do a lot of old quests to learn the lore of the place. You may be suprised at how in debth it is. Try to find verious other things to occupy your time Trade skill and the like. Or decorate your house. There a lot of other things in this game than just lvl and group grinding content.

[Solaran_X]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>EoF was not a higher lvl exspansion.  Anyone that plays alot (prob play more then I should) was done with EoF by now, quests, alts pretty much what EoF has to offer.  </p><p>Unrest was nice yes, but for 8 months that was soppose to tie us over till RoK in Nov?  </p><p>Neriak is low lvl, done in a week tops.</p><p>I would like to see an adv pack or somethin like we got last year b4 EoF,  but we got KoS a few months b4 that so most were still busy in KoS.</p><p>Im glad your still happy with what EQ2 has to offer Sygard, for someone that hasent even seen lvl 16 yet, im sure theres still lots to offer in this game.  <b>Do u even play more then 1 hr a week?</b></p></blockquote>And it's the elitist scumbags like you who belittle everyone who doesn't play day and night because of a life outside of EQ2 that give MMORPGs such a bad name. And in all honesty - do you want a rushed product (a la Desert of Flames with minimal content) or a more refined and finished product (a la Echoes of Faydwer) for the next expansion? Personally...SOE can take as long as they want producing Rise of Kunark, because I'm in no hurry to chase the level cap again, to upgrade to rehashed versions of T6 and T7 spells, and to upgrade to rehashed versions of my current armor...just so I can tackle some new set of dungeons. I'm not even 70/70/100 yet on my main, and I got a 65 Shadowknight to work with...a 45 Defiler...a 45 Assassin... You know, maybe you wouldn't be so bored if you'd level alts some. Unless, of course, you got three accounts with a 70 of every class, 100 AAs on each them, nine 70 Artisans, a 350 Transmuter, and 350 Tinkerer. And lets not forget, since you have the stereotypical "I'm a bored raider, I demand a level cap increase and more content to appease me and everyone else be damned!", you got some Fabled armor sets to gather and work to do on your Swords of Destiny quest line (the last set is being added in GU35). Not everyone rushes through the content to get to the max level just to, it seems, whine about how they're capped level and want another level cap increase. Like two weeks after the last one. EDIT: And may I suggest you bide your time until the release of RoK with a well placed investment in Hooked on Phonics? Misspellings, bad abbreviations, complete lack of words and replacement by single letters and/or numbers...seriously, I would've granted your post more consideration if it hadn't looked like something a third grader at the bottom of their class wrote on a cell phone when they should have been paying attention. Yes...I am belittling you.

[The_Real_Ohno]

<p>Alts 70, Tradeskills 70 (most) Tinkerer 70 Transmuter 70 </p><p>Neriak is 1-20, sorry 2 weeks tops <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p>Where did the lvl cap come from?  All I am askin is for somethin new to do b4 RoK.</p><p>Also believe it or not, I do work and have a life outside of EQ2. 6 months is not that hard to do everythin I have since then.  U make it seem like its actually hard to lvl in this game. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Anyways, I know im not the only one nor only a select few that are also bored atm.  I really dont care if it costs 5 bucks or 20 bucks w/e it is, new content for lvls 70s B4 RoK would be awesome.</p><p>Just because U havent done most everythin in EoF etc doesnt mean the ppl that have cant ask for more, [Removed for Content] is wrong with some of u ppl...</p>

[The_Real_Ohno]

Vaeamdar@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>"I'm a bored raider, I demand a level cap increase and more content to appease me and everyone else be damned!", you got some Fabled armor sets to gather and work to do on your Swords of Destiny quest line (the last set is being added in GU35). </blockquote><p>Not a raider, actually find it boring doing the same raid instances over and over again.</p><p>Swords of Destiny QL... Ok if this was like the Claymore, but each time they put in the next "chapter" it was a couple easily done quests in pretty much grey zones.  Should I look around and smell the roses while im doing it?</p><p>6 months and 1 instance for lvl 70s since then that should of been released WITH EoF is hardly anything.  </p>

[Solaran_X]

So...you're basically saying you've done everything in the game and now you're bored? There is absolutely nothing else for you to do?

[Lleinen]

Vaeamdar@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>So...you're basically saying you've done everything in the game and now you're bored? There is absolutely nothing else for you to do? </blockquote> Sounds like he has said that 5 times now...and i doubt he really wants to do ALL the quests (go kill 10 bixies, yay!!!........) And you "casuals" need to stop bringing up swords of destiny, its like 3 quests long, green to lvl 70 and not even CLOSE to being complete, its a waste of time atm.

[Nainitsuj]

LU something or other is supposed to bring us the final chapters of SoD as well as Castle Thex.  Another T7 Raid zone.

[Vifarc]

I'm 70 Ranger, AA 100, 70 Woodworker. I'm happy I have some goals left:  I must level my 114 Transmuting to 350,  complete my Masters collection (miss some T5, many T6 & T7),  loot all Kithicor armors  and my epic ones,  bring up my factions with my city  and scout guilds to max,  finish all quests I can so I could keep those 350 new ones from Kunark. And helping my guildmates and their alts. I'm not in a hurry to do all this, so I hope it will delay for 6 months my play time. For now I don't think I will need some new content. But for sure RoK will be welcome at the right time. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[cartmania01]

1 or 2 new raid instances and a few high lvl group zones would be nice before RoK... I cant understand why they wanna add more low lvl stuff, i mean it takes about 2 days to hit lvl 20, if there should be added more low tier stuff it should be t4-t6, since u spend way more time in those lvls... anyway more content added to the max tier, atm t7 would be more appreciated since that is where most ppls want to play, u prolly alrdy found ur beloved class which u wanna spend the most time on, making alt after alt shouldnt be a solotion, it can be fun to play alts now and then, but well... Many like to raid 1-7 times a week, and even those who doesnt like it must agree that grouping is pretty easy, and if u want challenges you gotta raid, aslong as they add some raid content now and then i glad, and it really aint fun when they nerf encounters cause "now all the ighend guilds have beaten the zone, lets make it easier so more can do so aswell", there is just less to achieve in beating encounters after nerfs<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> anyway i agree that 7 months is more than enough to have tried most of the content in EoF, even for a casual players<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Aenielle]

I am all for adding the "newbie" content in the game as well as the more advanced one. Why? In theory that newby content should bring in the hordes of new players pumping life into the game on a regular basis. In theory. In reallity, trying to get a EoF retail box (at least in europe) is all but impossible.. No boxes on the shelves= NO NEW PLAYERS. No matter how much new low level content they keep adding they cant remedy the fact that if the product isnt available- they will not get any new customers. And NO, station store isnt an option, seeing a new player would have to dish out 120$ + vat to start playing. Is there anyone alive in the SOE marketing/distribution departament? It sure doesnt look like it... <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ama]

Actually what i'm wondering is when and if they will finish the Swords of Destiny quest before RoK is released.  So far we have 3 quests in game *3 sub quests*.  Just hoping they don't go off the deepend like the Statuette quest.  Kinda ticked off I need that blasted barrel to blow open the bank vault to get 1 statuette in Kaladim. 

[Tass]

Sygard@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Like I said, stuff on my main that is towards the lvl 70s, low lvl stuff is not what I was lookin for.</blockquote> wow you must get bored pretty easily heh. If unrest and neriak wasnt enouhgh (more than any MMO in the past few months has offered) I dont think you will be happy anywhere<img src="/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p> I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with posts by the OP.  But at the same time am pretty much tired of people like Sygard who make posts on the forums (who usually make rude comments about the Fabled out characters standing at a bank **jealous*sniff**) who spend most of their time complaining about the hard core gamer cause their casual play style doesn't allow them to attain anything worth while in the game other than walking around in 3D environment awed by the graphics.  The whole couple hours they spend a week in a 3D environment is all the entertainment they need for apparently. **cringe**  In a casual guild people can't do the EoF instances half the time cause its too hard for them cause they don't have the money to upgrade their CA/spells or the time to farm for rares and upgrade their gear.  When someone discovers a contested x2 is up you can't get a raid together to go take it cause 15 people are on their low level alts twinking them out.</p><p>Adding new races doesn't really bring in new players it is just a distraction to ADHD people who forgot to take their meds when they should focusing on their main character.  Do they have the right to play the game? yes...do they need to be in a guild to get their entertainment? No.  The same people who I tend to see posting (whining) in the Wizard or Necro forums crying about how Wizard DPS sucks in raids (usually the same type of person who is parsing 300 that don't know how to play their class and don't want to listen when you try to help them).  The same kind of players who play a level 70 assassin to take up a spot in a raid and are pvp spec'd in AA and are equiping a dual wield weapon with a shield to DPS (who also don't listen to other Assassins even when they ask them how to spec and gear they should get).</p><p>Although SOE IMO did an outstanding job on Unrest it takes to long to do without a specific group set in mind.  Luckily my Chest piece dropped the first time group I was in that cleared the zone.  I dread going back in there since most groups I have been in take 3 hours to do it (good group) up to 5 hours with a bad group (may not even kill last named at all). I don't even want to go in there at all.  Did SOE do an outstanding job on EoF? Yes.  Is there alot of the game left to do for me? Yes, good luck finding groups to do it.  Most people I know say heck no to going into castle mistmoore cause its too hard in their minds.  (cringe at that response).  I had T8 quests ready way back last year to only getting them done recently (MOA for example not even an upgrade for me now.)</p><p>3rd Assassin on the server to get full EoF pvp set and 100 AA (had 100 for months) as well as nearly mastered out missing only T6 CAs and rare T7 ones.  Have Wyrmslayer and have all but 2 of the Kithicor set. (one I saw drop passed on it cause it wasn't even an upgrade for me since there was another assassin in the group Ding he got Server discovery**sigh**).  I enjoy raiding and rarely see drops I want when raiding.  Raided Lyceum for 9 months have yet to even see Grinning Dirk of Horror to drop.  I see people wanting something cause its a minor upgrade (there will always be a minor upgrade) and not really intended for their class getting a new piece of gear.   My former guild who had trouble even clearing Labs (mostly cause they allow level 60s into raid cause they weren't late over setting up the raid to succeed with needed lvl 70 classes. Cough 5 assassins/4 SKs/4 bruisers/no coercer 1 dirge/5 healers no Inquistor probably isn't going to do well) magicly cleared Lyceum Sunday (Grats guys. guess they had the right raid setup for once).  GDOH drops with 2 assassins in the raid and it went to a Brigand (that scares me).  Obviously adding new content to fill in gaps is ok.  Redoing Death Fist Citadel is a waste of programming......Why do it when the Majority of players especially on Blue servers are at LVL 70.  I have no interest in seeing DFC again...I hated DFC when the game was released.</p><p>I'm perfectly content with the way the game currently is and happy with it.  There are exceptions yes like assassin AAs suck and there are obvious issues with PVP which could be fixed but we're obviously on the low priority list cause SOE is revamping stupid content like DFC.  Took them like 2-3 months to even change that stupid bow with the stun proc on it.  I saw a fabled drop off a werewolf in Freethinkers that had bruiser/forget class/warden.  It was clearly a bruiser piece and obviously wasn't a warden piece (didn't even have wisdom on it).....but still there it is for some newb warden to want cause its better than the xegonite they have **grin**).  Why can't soe make the drops more class specific especially the weapons in the game.  It would be like me spending DKP on chel'drak's shard instead of a Brig getting it cause it lists All mages, All scouts, Berserker, Guardin for class requirements and I wanted it **laugh**.  I don't really see the point in raising the level cap with the expansion since this will only create problems in balance again besides the fact I don't really wont to have to remaster again.</p><p>While I'm not trying to be an [Removed for Content] to Sygard since his level 14 may only be an alt.....if its not you're a waste of space IMO.  Perhaps Dungeon Siege or Diablo 2 would be more appropriate for your time and playstyle.</p><p>Possibly if Ohnoes raided he wouldn't be bored; however, since he'd probably say its a "pvp" server blah blah blah he'll never be happy.  I do raid and outside of a raid instance I'm bored to death so I can see why if he is bored if he doesn't raid</p>

[Lakaah]

Wow, nice post Tass. Thanks to you, I now realize that having alts is a sign of ADHD, that having a level 14 main makes a person a waste of space, and that casual players just walk around in a stupor, 'awed by the graphics'. Good job on perpetuating the hardcore/raider stereotypes you seem to hate so much.

[Tass]

<cite>Lakaah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wow, nice post Tass. Thanks to you, I now realize that having alts is a sign of ADHD, that having a level 14 main makes a person a waste of space, and that casual players just walk around in a stupor, 'awed by the graphics'. Good job on perpetuating the hardcore/raider stereotypes you seem to hate so much. </blockquote><p> I hate hard core raiders? /confused</p><p>Go decorate your house some more before you hate on me plz.  Thanks </p><p>sincerly,</p><p>Carebear hater</p>

[phoenixshard]

Tass@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Lakaah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wow, nice post Tass. Thanks to you, I now realize that having alts is a sign of ADHD, that having a level 14 main makes a person a waste of space, and that casual players just walk around in a stupor, 'awed by the graphics'. Good job on perpetuating the hardcore/raider stereotypes you seem to hate so much. </blockquote><p> I hate hard core raiders? /confused</p><p>Go decorate your house some more before you hate on me plz.  Thanks </p><p>sincerly,</p><p>Carebear hater</p></blockquote>Could be wrong, but I think Lakaah meant that you are being the stereotypical raider that is always being mentioned on the forums.  You seemed to have given the indication that you seemed to be tired of casual players being in awe at your awesomeness with the being pretty much tired of people like Sygard staring at your fabled out character.  That's just the way I took it.  

[Tass]

<cite>phoenixshard wrote:</cite><blockquote>Tass@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Lakaah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wow, nice post Tass. Thanks to you, I now realize that having alts is a sign of ADHD, that having a level 14 main makes a person a waste of space, and that casual players just walk around in a stupor, 'awed by the graphics'. Good job on perpetuating the hardcore/raider stereotypes you seem to hate so much. </blockquote><p> I hate hard core raiders? /confused</p><p>Go decorate your house some more before you hate on me plz.  Thanks </p><p>sincerly,</p><p>Carebear hater</p></blockquote>Could be wrong, but I think Lakaah meant that you are being the stereotypical raider that is always being mentioned on the forums.  You seemed to have given the indication that you seemed to be tired of casual players being in awe at your awesomeness with the being pretty much tired of people like Sygard staring at your fabled out character.  That's just the way I took it.   </blockquote><p>Not way i meant it.  Tired of the stereo typical player casual/carebear dictating to the raiders what kind of content or ammount we expect to see in a game.  At the rate a casual player goes they'll never see 99% of the game before another expansion comes out which usually if their guild raids at all puts them as a drain on the guild either as having 50 million alts and not keeping their mains properly adept 3'd/gear to raid orr they are an incumberance to the guild cause they leave during raids/don't show.  It also similliar to the level lockers who don't provide players outside a guild to level up with if your new to the game except in the situation with the level 14 player might group alot over 3 years of playing on his level 14 helping other people who take 2 days to hit 20.  </p><p>But it is entirely my opinion.....Free country IMO.  I like the fact that i have a house and can decorate it....that is just a niftly little bonus thing thats kinda cool....Do I base my entire game play around the hopes of decorating my house within the next 6 months before the expansion comes out or spend every waking moment worrying about it....no.  Is the nifty nice things like housing content? not really since we're playing a game where you raid/pvp not a fantasy based expansion pack to The Sims.  The goal is to level to 70 and raid/instance/grind/farm/insert something here.</p>

[Jal]

Everyone is too quick to jump on the 'i hate raiding' bandwagon.  To me his post simply said people cherry pick what they want to do then complain because there isnt enough of it, this goes for all playstyles including the dreaded raiders. The few who do like to do every single quest may well enjoy that but most prefer a good story or a fitting reward at the end, im like Tass in that i love to raid and am generally bored outside that because thats the content i want to do even though there is still alot  of other things i could do.  I have accepted this however and tend to just do other things (outside the game) if i get bored and enjoy the bit of the game i love when i do log in, i do all the tier appropriate quests with expansions and i loved unrest when it was new but like everything it will only have a finite lifespan until youre seeking something more.  Im now finishing my ally status with the dismal rage between raids so i have that finished before i move to neriak and can spend time decorating my new house there but content wise really im waiting for RoK too.

[StrollingWolf]

Let's try to keep the discussion civil and not turn this into a battle between raiders and casual players please.

[nitrous]

Yep, your right.   I like Quest and Pie <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[phoenixshard]

Where's the pie, no one mentioned pie before. 

[cronar]

<p>The only thing that baffles me is that sony's filters let guilds be created with names like "I like pie".</p><p>My vote is less raiding stuff, more group/solo stuff. </p>

[interstellarmatter]

<p>Since their goal is finely polished released content, I'm betting that much of their dev time will be spent on the expansion pack in November.  You can probably expect bits and pieces of content for lvl 70 to come out in a LU.  Probably nothing that will satisfy you in the long term..possibly for a week.  </p><p>That's that.  You pretty much have what you have.  Make the best of it and take up a different hobby till November.   Possibly expect a new raid zone or two and a couple of instances but that's about it.  </p>

[interstellarmatter]

Tass@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Lakaah wrote: <p>Carebear hater</p></blockquote><p> What the heck does Carebears have to do with anything?  I still have my entire collection from when I was a little girl.  They were one of the best things to come out of the 80s. </p><p>Why the heck would you hate them?  That's just silly.</p>

[Solaran_X]

Tass@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Not way i meant it.  <b>Tired of the stereo typical player casual/carebear dictating to the raiders what kind of content or ammount we expect to see in a game.</b>  At the rate a casual player goes they'll never see 99% of the game before another expansion comes out which usually if their guild raids at all puts them as a drain on the guild either as having 50 million alts and not keeping their mains properly adept 3'd/gear to raid orr they are an incumberance to the guild cause they leave during raids/don't show.  It also similliar to the level lockers who don't provide players outside a guild to level up with if your new to the game except in the situation with the level 14 player might group alot over 3 years of playing on his level 14 helping other people who take 2 days to hit 20.  <p>But it is entirely my opinion.....Free country IMO.  I like the fact that i have a house and can decorate it....that is just a niftly little bonus thing thats kinda cool....Do I base my entire game play around the hopes of decorating my house within the next 6 months before the expansion comes out or spend every waking moment worrying about it....no.  Is the nifty nice things like housing content? not really since we're playing a game where you raid/pvp not a fantasy based expansion pack to The Sims.  The goal is to level to 70 and raid/instance/grind/farm/insert something here.</p></blockquote>But it's okay for the raiders to dictate to the casuals how much content or the amount of content they're allowed to see in a game?

[The_Real_Ohno]

^^ Dude give it up already, go Roleplay or somethin <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Draco the Grey]

There will be some new content here and there before ROK comes out, but you really need to accept the fact that when you play an MMO like its a full time job, you will run out of things to do.  Players like you are a very small minority, albeit a vocal one, and no MMO will ever be able to create content at the rate you consume it, even if they tried.  The reality is that between KoS, Fallen Dynasty, and EOF, there is more than enough content in T7 to satisfy the majority of the playerbase until the next expansion comes out.

[Noaani]

Vaeamdar@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>But it's okay for the raiders to dictate to the casuals how much content or the amount of content they're allowed to see in a game? </blockquote><p>Let me ask you, between the two of us, who do you think has seen the most content in this game?</p><p>I'll list mine.</p><p>My first main hit level 50 in december '04. It was a mass grind to get there, and I did about 500 quests by the time i was 50 (most of which either no longer exist, or has changed dramatically). I started raiding shortly after hitting 50, and had my prismatic in march 05. In april '05 I quit the guild I was in, as it was starting to lose focus, and just sucked. I had a second, casual character made on another account and server, which was made in february '05, which then became my main. I have not logged my origional main since. My new main hit level 50 long before DoF, at which time I got a second account (third technically, but I couldn't bare using the account of my origional main, too many bad memories, and I had not paid the subs on it for 6 months or so). I started 2 boxing at this time as well. I got a character on my new account up to 50, and then worked on tradeskilling with these characters. </p><p>In the time between leveling up my first character to 50, and my third character to 50, almost every single dungeon in the game had a revamp, and was a totally diffrent experiance. I was lucky enough to be able to experiance every dungeon in the game in both rendidions, something most players can not say. It was about this time that leveling to 50 became easy. All of the above was done while it was still time consuming.</p><p>After all this, I have leveled these two characters to 60, then to 70, have grouped with them to kill every heroic mob in the game, every raid mob in the game (except for some T7 contested mobs). I have maxed out other characters in both tradeskilling and adventuring, including a chracter leveled exclusivly in EoF zones, I have a 350 tinkerer and transmuter, I have done 2750 diffrent quests between my characters, and have seen every single pixle of every single zone this game has to offer. There is nothing new left for me to do, other than trying to sit at a contested spawn hoping to beat one of the top guilds in the game to a kill.</p><p>Have you done as this much in this game?</p><p>If not, which i think is safe to assume, who between us do you think has a right to say whether or not there should me more raid content or more heroic/solo content?</p><p>Because I am somewhat a dictator (facist, not [Removed for Content], we do not need to Godwin this thread), I will TELL you which one of us has that right.</p><p>Neither of us do.</p><p>SoE are the only people that can decide whether to make new raid content, heroic content or solo content. They decide whether to make it for level 10 or level 70. We can sit here and post all we want about what we want to see, but at the end of it all, it is still SoE that make the choice, not us.</p><p>One has to assume that SoE are smart enough to know how many of their subscribers are using what content, and thus they are well informed as to what content is needed. One has to assume that SoE is aware how many accounts per week are entering EoF raids. This is much better information than anything that could be gained on this particular forum, for several reasons which I do not think I need to detail here (if you do not know, and want an explanation, you would not likely understand if I tried explaining it to you, so do not bother asking).</p><p>One also has to assume that SoE wants to keep the most number of subscription payers happy as they possably can, and one would assume that SoE is aware that, due to playstyle, a very significant portion of raiders pay for more than one account. I personally pay for 7, 3 of my own, my GFs, my brothers, and his GFs, which, coincidently, and as a point to this, would all go with me if I went to another game. In order to keep me here, paying, and thus all 7 of those accounts here and paying, SoE needs to add more raid cintent, as I am bored with everything I have avalible to me now, and raid content is by far the most interesting, the most time consuming (at least while learning it ) and has the most replayability.</p><p>Will they add more raid content simply because I posted this here? No</p><p>Will they add more solo content if someone comes in here, quoting me, and claiming I am the typical "hardcore raider" that is always trying to keep casual players down? No</p><p>Will SoE add content to the game where it is lacking? I hope so, otherwise they will lose subscriptions.</p>

[Nuhus]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Tass@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Lakaah wrote: <p>Carebear hater</p></blockquote><p> What the heck does Carebears have to do with anything?  I still have my entire collection from when I was a little girl.  They were one of the best things to come out of the 80s. </p><p>Why the heck would you hate them?  That's just silly.</p></blockquote> In PvP it has a different meaning.

[Solaran_X]

Katryna@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>There will be some new content here and there before ROK comes out, but you really need to accept the fact that when you play an MMO like its a full time job, you will run out of things to do.  Players like you are a very small minority, albeit a vocal one, and no MMO will ever be able to create content at the rate you consume it, even if they tried.  The reality is that between KoS, Fallen Dynasty, and EOF, there is more than enough content in T7 to satisfy the majority of the playerbase until the next expansion comes out. </blockquote>You see...these raiders (like Ohnoez sounds like) don't want to raid the same content over and over and over. But expect the casuals to go through the same content over and over and over because they don't "deserve" new content - only the raiders do. That's why I only got one 70 and one 65. I don't like redoing the same content over and over and over, and the release of EoF gave me plenty of new content for me to get motivated and get my Shadowknight to 65 (from 50 when I retired him). It seems like the raider mentality (not all of them...but enough - I know a few raiders who think they got plenty of raid content and want the casuals to have more group content) to be "Gimme, gimme, gimme...and forget the casuals. They got enough already." And as soon as the casuals get fed up and tell the raiders it isn't all about them...the raiders get defensive and whip out the condescending remarks like the ones Ohnoez has said about myself and an earlier person in this thread. Since they can't justify their demands...they resort to personal attacks. Personally...I don't care. I'm against level cap increases and all for lateral progression. I've played almost since launch, got one 70/70 with 71 AAs. And I still got plenty of content to go through. But then again...I don't treat this game as a race. There was no reward for being the first to 70. There was no reward for being the first to 100 AAs. There will be no reward for being the first to 80. All you're doing by racing through the content is ruining it for yourself later.

[Thunderthyze]

Tass@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with posts by the OP.  But at the same time am pretty much tired of people like Sygard who make posts on the forums (who usually make rude comments about the Fabled out characters standing at a bank **jealous*sniff**) who spend most of their time complaining about the hard core gamer cause their casual play style doesn't allow them to attain anything worth while in the game other than walking around in 3D environment awed by the graphics.  The whole couple hours they spend a week in a 3D environment is all the entertainment they need for apparently. **cringe**  In a casual guild people can't do the EoF instances half the time cause its too hard for them cause they don't have the money to upgrade their CA/spells or the time to farm for rares and upgrade their gear.  When someone discovers a contested x2 is up you can't get a raid together to go take it cause 15 people are on their low level alts twinking them out. <p>3rd Assassin on the server to get full EoF pvp set and 100 AA (had 100 for months) as well as nearly mastered out missing only T6 CAs and rare T7 ones.  Have Wyrmslayer and have all but 2 of the Kithicor set. (one I saw drop passed on it cause it wasn't even an upgrade for me since there was another assassin in the group Ding he got Server discovery**sigh**).  I enjoy raiding and rarely see drops I want when raiding.  Raided Lyceum for 9 months have yet to even see Grinning Dirk of Horror to drop.  </p><p>While I'm not trying to be an [I cannot control my vocabulary] to Sygard since his level 14 may only be an alt.....if its not you're a waste of space IMO.  Perhaps Dungeon Siege or Diablo 2 would be more appropriate for your time and playstyle.</p><p>Possibly if Ohnoes raided he wouldn't be bored; however, since he'd probably say its a "pvp" server blah blah blah he'll never be happy.  I do raid and outside of a raid instance I'm bored to death so I can see why if he is bored if he doesn't raid</p></blockquote><p>And there we have it. Proof positive that "raiders" are God's chosen people. Unfortunately Tass also appears to be a complete [Removed for Content] with no respect for players starting out, or at lower levels. </p><p>3rd assassin to max out? Wow, I'll bet the first two think you are a total no hoper?</p><p>To be honest? I don't really care what you think about the other people who play this game. I'm nominating you for this year's Darwin award mate <img src="/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Armawk]

Tass@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p> not really since we're playing a game where you raid/pvp not a fantasy based expansion pack to The Sims.  The goal is to level to 70 and raid/instance/grind/farm/insert something here.</p></blockquote> No, that isnt the aim at all. The aim is to play the game and enjoy it at all levels. Its an MMO, you cant actually complete or "win" at it. Therefore doing so isnt the aim, reaching cap is  no aim at all.

[Noaani]

Katryna@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>Players like you are a very small minority, albeit a vocal one, </blockquote><p>This is like the new buzz word (phrase) being thrown around by the 'cool kids'.</p><p>If anything, raiders in this game are far less vocal on the offical forums than their in game presence would suggest.</p>

[Noaani]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, that isnt the aim at all. The aim is to play the game and enjoy it at all levels. Its an MMO, you cant actually complete or "win" at it. Therefore doing so isnt the aim, reaching cap is  no aim at all.</blockquote><p>While getting to leve l70 may not be *your* aim in this game, you have no right at all to tell anyone else what is and is not a valid aim in game.</p><p>While it may not be *my* aim in game, I am more than aware that to some people, their main aim in this game is to have <i>the</i> most [Removed for Content] out house on their server. Sounds boring to me, but hey, if thats the way they want to play, who am I to tell them any diffrantly?</p><p>I think you should appologise for being a total [Removed for Content], and I think you should refrain from telling people how to play this game in the future. </p>

[The_Real_Ohno]

Vaeamdar@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>Katryna@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>There will be some new content here and there before ROK comes out, but you really need to accept the fact that when you play an MMO like its a full time job, you will run out of things to do.  Players like you are a very small minority, albeit a vocal one, and no MMO will ever be able to create content at the rate you consume it, even if they tried.  The reality is that between KoS, Fallen Dynasty, and EOF, there is more than enough content in T7 to satisfy the majority of the playerbase until the next expansion comes out. </blockquote>You see...these raiders (like Ohnoez sounds like) don't want to raid the same content over and over and over. But expect the casuals to go through the same content over and over and over because they don't "deserve" new content - only the raiders do. That's why I only got one 70 and one 65. I don't like redoing the same content over and over and over, and the release of EoF gave me plenty of new content for me to get motivated and get my Shadowknight to 65 (from 50 when I retired him). It seems like the raider mentality (not all of them...but enough - I know a few raiders who think they got plenty of raid content and want the casuals to have more group content) to be "Gimme, gimme, gimme...and forget the casuals. They got enough already." And as soon as the casuals get fed up and tell the raiders it isn't all about them...the raiders get defensive and whip out the condescending remarks like the ones Ohnoez has said about myself and an earlier person in this thread. Since they can't justify their demands...they resort to personal attacks. Personally...I don't care. I'm against level cap increases and all for lateral progression. I've played almost since launch, got one 70/70 with 71 AAs. And I still got plenty of content to go through. But then again...I don't treat this game as a race. There was no reward for being the first to 70. There was no reward for being the first to 100 AAs. There will be no reward for being the first to 80. All you're doing by racing through the content is ruining it for yourself later. </blockquote><p> Do u have a readin problem?  I have said a few times that I am NOT a raider.  I think U just have issues between Raiders/Casuals Mr Roleplayer.  Where did I ever say that "raiders" deserve new content only for them? <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Now u are just makin crap up.  U came into this thread with your bashin first, nowhere did I say in my OP that if I dont get new content, im gonna flame Vaeamdar...</p><p>I for one have NOT raced through anythin, look at EQ2players my lvlin to 70 was all done Mar 06-Dec 06 on Venekor, there was no race here, just pvpin pretty much all the way up to 70.  Somethin again new then the borin PvE grinds done many times on PvE servers.</p><p>I AM more a casual then Hardcore aswell, just because I asked for more content, u lumped me with the "Hardcores" <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I never once said anythin about these different playstyles at all, it was u that brought it into this thread.  Guess Roleplayers just like to cause Drama, keep it to your server...</p>

[Draco the Grey]

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote>Katryna@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>Players like you are a very small minority, albeit a vocal one, </blockquote><p>This is like the new buzz word (phrase) being thrown around by the 'cool kids'.</p><p>If anything, raiders in this game are far less vocal on the offical forums than their in game presence would suggest.</p></blockquote>Re-read my post.  I wasn't talking about raiding or raiders.  If you're still unclear on that after looking at my post again, follow the link in my sig.

[Ghartan]

<p>To be honest the LAST thing we need to add now is more T7 raid zones (as much as I would love to see them personally ... getting bored too with same ol' same ol'<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p><p> Think about it a sec ... as soon as the expansion comes with the level cap rising to 80, no raider in his right mind would touch a T7 raid zone other than for an occasion quest update. So those zones will be nearly completely abandoned much like the T6 zones are now. You won't even need to do them for gear progression as you can simply do EoF group instances to get entry level raiding gear.</p><p> IMHO .... what we need now are T7 quest chains as well as nice heritage type quests. Those always seem to be popular even after the level cap raises.</p><p> So just SAY NO to more raid zones and have the developers work on something that will actually have a life longer than 6 months.</p>

[Allisia]

<cite>Ghartan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> IMHO .... what we need now are T7 quest chains as well as nice heritage type quests. Those always seem to be popular even after the level cap raises.</p><p> So just SAY NO to more raid zones and have the developers work on something that will actually have a life longer than 6 months. </p></blockquote> Now that is an excellent suggestion. Shame it appears that the Swords of Destiny quest line will be a pale imitation of it's predecessors. The quest line looks to be entirely too short (regarding the number of quests involved not the duration of the individual quests themselves).

[The_Real_Ohno]

<cite>Ghartan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>To be honest the LAST thing we need to add now is more T7 raid zones (as much as I would love to see them personally ... getting bored too with same ol' same ol'<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p><p> Think about it a sec ... as soon as the expansion comes with the level cap rising to 80, no raider in his right mind would touch a T7 raid zone other than for an occasion quest update. So those zones will be nearly completely abandoned much like the T6 zones are now. You won't even need to do them for gear progression as you can simply do EoF group instances to get entry level raiding gear.</p><p> IMHO .... what we need now are T7 quest chains as well as nice heritage type quests. Those always seem to be popular even after the level cap raises.</p><p> So just SAY NO to more raid zones and have the developers work on something that will actually have a life longer than 6 months.</p></blockquote><p>I didnt ask for raid content, at all!  Quest lines, HQs ANHYTHING like this PLS.  Thats what Im talkin about, somethin to DO b4 RoK.  How did this ever turn into askin for more raid content?  </p>

[Noaani]

<cite>Ghartan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>To be honest the LAST thing we need to add now is more T7 raid zones (as much as I would love to see them personally ... getting bored too with same ol' same ol'<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p><p> Think about it a sec ... as soon as the expansion comes with the level cap rising to 80, no raider in his right mind would touch a T7 raid zone other than for an occasion quest update. So those zones will be nearly completely abandoned much like the T6 zones are now. You won't even need to do them for gear progression as you can simply do EoF group instances to get entry level raiding gear.</p><p> IMHO .... what we need now are T7 quest chains as well as nice heritage type quests. Those always seem to be popular even after the level cap raises.</p><p> So just SAY NO to more raid zones and have the developers work on something that will actually have a life longer than 6 months.</p></blockquote><p>While I see where you are coming from, this is not really true.</p><p>If it were not such a headache to do, my guild would still do DMP on a weekly basis, because there are still some drops in there that are worth the effort (the mage ring for one). There are pieces of gear still in both Gates and Courts that would be upgrades to people in my guild, even if they have T7 raid dropped gear in that slot (wraith touched necklace, Orb of Truth and the Circlet of living Fire). Just because something is a tier lower, doesn't mean its not still the best in the game for some situations.</p><p>On top of that, there are more things that can be does to ensure a new raid zone gets used all through RoK. First, make it harder than EH and MMiS, which it should be. Second, itemise it so that some of its drops are the best in the game, make sure these items see a use in T8 as well (much like the above list of T6 items still have a use in T7). Make sure there are 6+ mobs that give status, as people will want to level their guild with raids whenever they can. Make sure at least a portion of the loot is tradeable, so that if nothing else, guilds will run it for twinking alts (much like we run SotL now every month or so for alt/guild bank funds).</p><p>The EoF legandary gear will not be entry level for T8 raids, but the EoF raid gear may well be, so that is another potential use for all t7 raid zones come RoK.</p><p>On top of that list, I'd like to see a non contested dropped upgrade to my soloable instanced zone dropped robe that I have been wearing for over a year... 2 expansions worth of instanced raid content, as well as a few contested mobs when we can, and there is nothing at all in raids that will replace it... that says to me T7 itemisation is not yet finished.</p><p>I truly do not see the point of more T7 quest chains, as they will see even less use after RoK release than T7 raid content. We already have Claymore,  SoD, 6 T7 signature quests/ quest series, 5 T7 heratige quests the infiltration quest series in SoS, Gribbly's quests in SoS, 3 small quest series in Bonemire, as well as Grizzfazzles, Penny Dreadfuls small quest series in Barren Sky, the Hoo'Lok series in Barren Sky, The League series, as well as a ton of other, random qests. </p><p>No. </p><p>More T7 quests is not what we need if we want to think about content being used after RoK. Do you think someone starting the game in november will have even a chance to get all of the quests already in game finished before they hit T8? more quests may do a good job of keeping people occupied for a short amount of time *now* but come RoK will see considerabbly less use than a new top end raid zone (propperly itemised) would.</p><p>Editted to add: thats not to say I am against them adding in a new T7 quest line, it would likely give me a day or twos entertainment, but if they want repeat use of whatever content they add, its not the best way to go about it. Also, they should finish SoD first.</p>

[Kizee]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Ghartan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>To be honest the LAST thing we need to add now is more T7 raid zones (as much as I would love to see them personally ... getting bored too with same ol' same ol'<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p><p> Think about it a sec ... as soon as the expansion comes with the level cap rising to 80, no raider in his right mind would touch a T7 raid zone other than for an occasion quest update. So those zones will be nearly completely abandoned much like the T6 zones are now. You won't even need to do them for gear progression as you can simply do EoF group instances to get entry level raiding gear.</p><p> IMHO .... what we need now are T7 quest chains as well as nice heritage type quests. Those always seem to be popular even after the level cap raises.</p><p> So just SAY NO to more raid zones and have the developers work on something that will actually have a life longer than 6 months.</p></blockquote><p>I didnt ask for raid content, at all!  Quest lines, HQs ANHYTHING like this PLS.  Thats what Im talkin about, somethin to DO b4 RoK.  How did this ever turn into askin for more raid content?  </p></blockquote><p> Because</p><p>1.) non raiders have tons more content to keep them happy and they have no idea what its like for raiders that bearly have anything to do.</p><p>2.) they are jealous of the items we get because they can't or won't put in the time to try to get them. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Noaani]

Arrex@Kithicor wrote: <blockquote>Now that is an excellent suggestion. Shame it appears that the Swords of Destiny quest line will be a pale imitation of it's predecessors. The quest line looks to be entirely too short (regarding the number of quests involved not the duration of the individual quests themselves). </blockquote>The origional prismatic questline was only 3 quests, and once a guild knew the encounters could be done in 2 or 3 days. This is already longer than that.

[Allisia]

My comments about the length of the series and it paling to it's predecessors are separate. While the length of the quest series is a factor that I based my opinion on, it is not the only factor. So far the Swords of Destiny line is three quests, and a few subquests. If you want to count the subquests, then you can count all the access quests for "To Speak as a Dragon" and "Knights in the Round" as well and both quest lines look considerably more robust. Either way, at the end of the discussion they both seem like poor implementations compared to the Peacock and Claymore quest lines. I give them the benefit of the doubt for the Prismatic quest line since it was their first implementation, but they deserve no such benefit for Swords of Destiny. They used their mulligan already.

[Armawk]

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, that isnt the aim at all. The aim is to play the game and enjoy it at all levels. Its an MMO, you cant actually complete or "win" at it. Therefore doing so isnt the aim, reaching cap is  no aim at all.</blockquote><p>While getting to leve l70 may not be *your* aim in this game, you have no right at all to tell anyone else what is and is not a valid aim in game.</p><p>While it may not be *my* aim in game, I am more than aware that to some people, their main aim in this game is to have <i>the</i> most [Removed for Content] out house on their server. Sounds boring to me, but hey, if thats the way they want to play, who am I to tell them any diffrantly?</p><p>I think you should appologise for being a total [Removed for Content], and I think you should refrain from telling people how to play this game in the future. </p></blockquote><p> He/she/it said that getting to 70 was THE aim, not AN aim. The aim. The only aim. I was counterpointing the surrealism of his/her/its underlying metaphor.</p><p>Get over yourself.</p>

[Noaani]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, that isnt the aim at all. The aim is to play the game and enjoy it at all levels. Its an MMO, you cant actually complete or "win" at it. Therefore doing so isnt the aim, reaching cap is  no aim at all.</blockquote><p>While getting to leve l70 may not be *your* aim in this game, you have no right at all to tell anyone else what is and is not a valid aim in game.</p><p>While it may not be *my* aim in game, I am more than aware that to some people, their main aim in this game is to have <i>the</i> most [Removed for Content] out house on their server. Sounds boring to me, but hey, if thats the way they want to play, who am I to tell them any diffrantly?</p><p>I think you should appologise for being a total [Removed for Content], and I think you should refrain from telling people how to play this game in the future. </p></blockquote><p> He/she/it said that getting to 70 was THE aim, not AN aim. The aim. The only aim. I was counterpointing the surrealism of his/her/its underlying metaphor.</p><p>Get over yourself.</p></blockquote><p> You are wrong, and not in a small way either.</p><p>He said the aim was getting to level to 70 and raid/instance/grind/farm/insert something here. These are the words you quoted in your post, so you should be aware.</p><p>Now, to me, it seems that "insert something here" covers a lot of potential possabilities. In fact, I can not think of a single activity in game that this could not conceivably cover, can you?</p><p>So, basically, your first post here was you telling the OP that him saying that basically doing anything in game was the goal, and you posted saying that no it wasn't. Thats smart!</p><p>"The goal in the game is to not do stuff, and to enjoy it!"</p><p>That is basically what your post was. Oh, it was that, but with a "you are wrong, I am right" tone to it, which is just uncool.</p><p>There was nothing surreal about the post you quoted, there was no metaphor hinted at in the text you quoted. If you were, infact, counterpointing the surrealism of his/her/its underlying metaphor, as you so elequently put it, you forgot to make sure there was surrealism present, and you also seem to have missplaced the metaphor. Maybe you could relocate it for me?</p><p>If, however, you were trying to be witty, humerous, or comical, you missed the mark even more than you would have if the above paragraph was true. Yet, sadly, this is what I have to assume, due to the nature of your posts.</p>

[Gwen]

Who care about adding more T7 content ? This tier is already dead ... They should start to work now on adding T8 contents, because if there is not, at least, lets say 6 T8 Groups zones, and 6 T8 raid zones ... RoK will be crap and both casuals and raiders will quit EQ2.

[AbsentmindedMage]

It will always be difficult to provide content at the end of game leveling.  Most games have their end game content focus on grinding out things like faction or collecting equipment. If you are unwilling to create alt characters and level them and explore old stuff with them, you are pretty much resigned to building your equipment and abilities up or grinding city writs. I do not think any higher level player should be disappointed in the introduction of Neriak.   For one thing, it will offer you a new place to get city writs and I do not doubt there will be high level quests added to the city eventually.   There is definitely something occurring in that vampire bar...

[cavemandb]

                      IMO sony need to quit catering to the raid guild's they have gotten as bad as eq on doing that they need to think about the casual player. eq2 has taken a big hit sence vanguard came out and they need to think about other players then the power gamer and break new ground be first game to realy think of the people who realy play the game

[Theramor-GoV]

My understanding is that the inclusion of content like LU35 (Neriak, Arasai, and starting zones) is to do two things. 1)  Open the door for new subs - yes, we already have a metric tonne of low end content, but from what I've been reading on different mmorpg message boards there are **alot** of people that are jazzed about Neriak and the dark fae.  This should at least bring in a rush of new subs which could mean more money that could be used to create new content (remember, this is a business after all and more money = more content). 2)  Its been said by the Devs that this will open the door to more "cool things".  What those things are has not been said (for obvious reasons), but I'm sure that the Devs haven't forgotten about the high end game at all.  Once they hook the new players in with Arasai and low end content, they want to keep them around for the long haul by bringing in more mid to high end content to keep them playing.  That means more high end stuff in time.  RoK has already been stated to be primarily a 1-20 and a 70-80 expansion.  The Devs have stated that there is (for now) enough to do between those extremes.  The new "superzones" idea sounds good (for those not aware think of places sort of like Greater Fay, but larger with more "subzones" within them) and there will be the new epic item quests, more HQs, and more Raid zones as well. The OP is more concerned about the "here and now" however.  Understandably, he wants more higher end (not necessarily raid oriented) content. I'm also hoping that there will be some more higher end content before RoK, but to be honest I would rather they take their time working on the expansion pak and make it of the same quality or better that EoF was.  IMHO, EoF was one of the best expansion paks ever made for any game (Velious and Kunark for EQ1 rank up there as well).  I would love to see RoK up there as well. Also, from what I've read about LU35 and how its being done (ie - that you need EoF to make a Arasai), that it was probably something was that originally intended to be included in EoF, but during the creation process they decided to release it later because they didn't want to put out something of inferior quality.  If that is true, then I wholeheartedly agree that its better to release later and more polished than sooner and with less quality and I applaud the designers for realising this and holding back its release until now. If this means that there is no more new content between now and November, then I guess I'll find other things to keep me busy over the summer.  But for now, LU35 has me back and starting a new character. T PS - sorry if it seems I'm rambling, but too much to say and was adding stuff in while typing