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CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 06:19 AM

There has been on going debate about the pro's and con's of titles. It is my view that the system has to be reworked some how or removed. The point of pvp is not titles, the point is to test your self against human opponents. Some people love the pure pvp and some like having the excitement of not knowing if they are going to be attacked on this pull or while harvesting/questing. It adds spice to the game for people that fighting computer controlled mobs does not.Titiles are ruining the game.No matter what team you are playing on you have heard someone on your team shout out locations of enemy players and more and more lately you here people shout back are they titled? There are alot of players that wont go fight the enemy unless they have a title. This is well known to all and is getting worse.People complain alot about zone hopping and guard hugging and you hear others say stop crying and just dont fight near these areas. Well see the big problem is all these people with titles as low as hunter refuse to go any where but these locations. I dont care what team you are on you know this for fact and this problem is getting worse and worse. We are losing players that just want to pvp because pvp encounters are becoming harder and harder to find if your not willing to dance around guards or stay near zone lines. In most cases you will not see the titled people from these areas unless they are in a raid. I will note that the guild "Shadow Stalkers" is the first guild of Qeynos that I have seen that doesnt hug/hop they had a nice 4 man team in Nek forrest and where not afraid to fight. Now mind you this is rare but most titled players will not fight this way.If you happen to catch a titled character out in the open nine times out of ten they run/evac and will not engage for anything.I dont have all the answers but I do know something needs to be done, get rid of titles or at the very least rework them. EQ1 didnt have titles for pvp and it was a blast there was always battles going on. This is pvp not hide and go seek, lets battle and test skills enough with all the running and hopping and hugging.And I sure some will cry if they removed titles they would leave. If the only reason your on a pvp server is for a pointless title then you dont understand what a pvp server is. So if you want to get mad and scream and yell and leave all I have to say is: Can I have your coin/items? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Lets start pvping!! (Note) I am not attacking anyone with this post just pointing out my views and things everyone knows but wont admitt to. And I have been a slayer 3 times and hunter more times then I can count and am in no way jealous of people with high titles. I dont want a title, I want to pvp and have fun doing it win or lose!

Greeen-_-Ranger

05-20-2007, 08:40 AM

Thank you much for mezzing the guard at N. Qeynos gates bro. 9 kills off of that /bow.

The_Real_Ohno

05-20-2007, 10:42 AM

Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads? Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call? Titles arnt killin PvP, period. Stop this nonsense. Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us.

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 10:51 AM

Arsmaxx

05-20-2007, 11:08 AM

The_Real_Ohno

05-20-2007, 11:27 AM

<cite>CresentBlade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads? Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call? Titles arnt killin PvP, period. Stop this nonsense. Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us. </blockquote>See you didnt even bother to read you just flip out and start whining afraid your going to lose the sad little title that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You spend all your time hopping/hugging and are NOT playing the game the way SoE has made it for us. You title huggers need to learn how to play this is pvp not protect your fragile ego.So as you said stop this nonsense. </blockquote>Your right, I didnt read your whole whine post OP. Seen alot of these kind of threads, and guess what, they are low ranked ppl. Funny eh?I for one dont play this game like u described, just goes to show u really dont have any clue what its like to have a higher title. Some do play like this, but some dont. Can say that with almost anythin in EQ2. Sorry to hear that u suck at PvP and cant even get a Hunter title, but lets just get rid of the whole title system because U dont know how to use it... <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Reminds me of the Bruiser askin for a Ranger nerf thread, are u guys brothers?

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 01:29 PM

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 01:35 PM

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>CresentBlade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads? Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call? Titles arnt killin PvP, period. Stop this nonsense. Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us. </blockquote>See you didnt even bother to read you just flip out and start whining afraid your going to lose the sad little title that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You spend all your time hopping/hugging and are NOT playing the game the way SoE has made it for us. You title huggers need to learn how to play this is pvp not protect your fragile ego.So as you said stop this nonsense. </blockquote>Your right, I didnt read your whole whine post OP. Seen alot of these kind of threads, and guess what, they are low ranked ppl. Funny eh?I for one dont play this game like u described, just goes to show u really dont have any clue what its like to have a higher title. Some do play like this, but some dont. Can say that with almost anythin in EQ2. Sorry to hear that u suck at PvP and cant even get a Hunter title, but lets just get rid of the whole title system because U dont know how to use it... <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Reminds me of the Bruiser askin for a Ranger nerf thread, are u guys brothers? </blockquote>I can clearly see you cant read. I have had titles up to slayer, you have the weakest defense I have ever heard of. This has nothing to do with class nerfing, is your life so sad that you need a title in game to make your self feel good? You seem to attack alot of people on this forum probably for the same reason you desperatly need a title.I know how to play very well thank you and I play one of the tougher if not toughest classes, what class are you playing? You take this whole thing as personal perhaps you should get some real life friends that can be supportive to your needs. You jump from saying I am whining to now I am nerfing and of course cant play the game...I am just so confused.Dont worry we still love you and will be there for you during your time of need.

The_Real_Ohno

05-20-2007, 01:52 PM

U made it to Slayer... WOW Gratz dude! Your whole thread is weak. U know some ppl actualy worked for there title, even solo at that! Just because you no good at keepin/gainin titles doesnt mean the Title system is bad.Casters are for grps, I have even seen Master Casters... L2P

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 01:59 PM

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>U made it to Slayer... WOW Gratz dude! Your whole thread is weak. U know some ppl actualy worked for there title, even solo at that! Just because you no good at keepin/gainin titles doesnt mean the Title system is bad.Casters are for grps, I have even seen Master Casters... L2P</blockquote>Worked how? Must be rough camping the zone line. Farming second accounts or guildmate alts is some tough work. Those demanding hours of hanging out with the guards. Casters can solo just as well as group I have no problem doing so.But all kidding aside I guess I should give you props for getting a high title on a ranger, I know how tough scouts have it. So GREAT JOB you earned it!!!

The_Real_Ohno

05-20-2007, 02:30 PM

I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Norrsken

05-20-2007, 02:31 PM

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>Now that is actually rather cool. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Kneemin

05-20-2007, 03:36 PM

I'm sorry, I just could not pass this whine thread up. You can just go to a little hole in the wall somewhere b/c titles do not lower pvp in fact, the higher i get, the MORE fights i get... hmm how about that one? Second off, Yes i shout "are they titled?" but you know why? Just lets me know how strong they are and whether or not I should try to solo the 2-3 guys that are killing ppl in such place, or if i have to grab a few guildies to kick them out. Third off, yes, you have had slayer, big whoop, some ppl just aren't made to solo their CASTER to champ title like I did (and it almost never involved zone lines, unless the guy i was chasing was zone humping). Getting beyond champ, ya that usually takes a group b/c almost no Qs run destroyers/champ/dread without a group. But my gank squad, consists of only 3, me, healer, and a tank. Before any more of you start crying nerf titles, go see how much pvp they actually START. Once you get beyond slayer, the pvp will come to YOU, and you will say "HOLY [Removed for Content] there is soo much pvp goin on right now!" (In T7 you might have to get champ to get pvp to come find you, but im not a T7 pvper on any of my 4 pvp alts so I don't know) I said it before and I'll say it again just to get it across, titles are also helpful so you can gauge your battles, if i see an OJ con titleless, ya, im going to atk him, but if hes got a decent title (dest +), im going to assume not only is he at least 3 lvls (5 if in 8 range) higher than me, he prolly knows waht hes doing too, better not engage him.

Tatate

05-20-2007, 04:14 PM

Tatate

05-20-2007, 04:17 PM

Sorry Ohnoez, I don't mean to be implying you don't have skill. I take back my comment about Rangers. Either way, I don't really care what SOE does with titles, whatever. If I look hard enough I will find PVP. If people decide to run I can usually stop them easily enough with two snares and cheapshot/ Blackjack.

Geynos

05-20-2007, 04:27 PM

Why ask for titles?1. Gauging battles (as people before me have said)2. Deciding if it is worth it to run across a zone to attack them. If there are a couple title-less people shouted out all the way across antonica or CL, they just aren't worth going to find. They are almost never fun to fight. They usually have crappy gear and crappy spells and do not give a sense of satisfaction to beat. It isn't worth running across a zone to find them. I find a lot of untitled people already and kill the ones in my path, its just not worth it to go way out of your way to *maybe* find them. Now if someone shouts about a group of slayers, well, that could be fun. Time for a 1v4 or so <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />A grp of destroyer/champions: "/gu Get to WFP now we're rolling."People ask about titles for the above two reasons. We are in search of good pvp, rather than random Q noobs to kill. Maybe I'm just jaded.. but I guess thats what happens when you pvp a lot. So if you don't want to be considered "random Q noob" by all means, please get to at least slayer off the random freep noobs. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Greggthegrmreapr

05-20-2007, 04:38 PM

I'm bouncing between champion and dreadnaught, and I think they are pointless. So no, its not always the untitled people that say this.If I could hide it, I would, but I'm not gonna go suicide myself to get rid of it.

Borias

05-20-2007, 04:57 PM

Titles matter a little bit, but not a lot. I still see Hunters/Slayers running from people that can't take fame from them as much, if not more than the Generals I see around. Granted what seems to seperate the freep generals from the destroyers is the ability to have more than 1 source of evac, or to make sure 80% of the group can evac.To be honest titles aren't the biggest problem, it's the cowards that won't refuse to fight anything other than overwhelming odds in their favor. All the Billy Bad [Removed for Content] that talk [I cannot control my vocabulary] on the forums and on their Q alts won't even do 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 fights. It has to be their 2 v 1. Nothing as dumb as collecting up 6-10 freeps at the TT spires with 1 group, all evaced, and watch them all call out 2 at a time.To those that say you don't bother with people with no titles and are low level- I guess you can't use the "I'm waiting for faction to unlock" card anymore then. And kill counts must not matter either, just titles. And T3 titles mean pretty much jack [I cannot control my vocabulary]. Oh snap your 5 skills are better than his 5 skills.*Edit* If you really want to fight good Q's- level your [Removed for Content] up and join in the T7 pvp. We will be waiting to see just how good you really are.

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 05:17 PM

Kneemin@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>I'm sorry, I just could not pass this whine thread up. You can just go to a little hole in the wall somewhere b/c titles do not lower pvp in fact, the higher i get, the MORE fights i get... hmm how about that one? They do lower the amount of pvp, I am a caster and use to get jumped by people all the time. Now the same people that use to jump have titles so they avoid combat more now for fear of losing their titles. I use not to need a title because I am a caster and most people consider easy targets so will come after any way. I am now having to go out of my way to find pvp and then they run when I do find them unless they out number 3 to 1. Titles = less fights Second off, Yes i shout "are they titled?" but you know why? Just lets me know how strong they are and whether or not I should try to solo the 2-3 guys that are killing ppl in such place, or if i have to grab a few guildies to kick them out. I have seen many fights break out in chat because of this question and because the person who ususally ask it wont go if they are not titled. This has been happening alot. If they have a title they wont risk it. When I played a Swash a long time ago I would group with people who wouldnt waste their time on non titled people (or even titled unless it would raise their title) for fear of losing their title to a lower title. Third off, yes, you have had slayer, big whoop, some ppl just aren't made to solo their CASTER to champ title like I did (and it almost never involved zone lines, unless the guy i was chasing was zone humping). Getting beyond champ, ya that usually takes a group b/c almost no Qs run destroyers/champ/dread without a group. But my gank squad, consists of only 3, me, healer, and a tank. Grats to you for having a high titled caster, what class are you playing now? Before any more of you start crying nerf titles, go see how much pvp they actually START. Once you get beyond slayer, the pvp will come to YOU, and you will say "HOLY [I cannot control my vocabulary] there is soo much pvp goin on right now!" (In T7 you might have to get champ to get pvp to come find you, but im not a T7 pvper on any of my 4 pvp alts so I don't know) I notice how you dont even mention that I say remove or reworked just focus on nerf. If they did what I wanted it would not be a nerf because when they nerf a class it is still around, this would be gone completely. I said it before and I'll say it again just to get it across, titles are also helpful so you can gauge your battles, if i see an OJ con titleless, ya, im going to atk him, but if hes got a decent title (dest +), im going to assume not only is he at least 3 lvls (5 if in 8 range) higher than me, he prolly knows waht hes doing too, better not engage him. I have fought and destroyed titled people that didnt run away and have had more trouble with untitled people because more often then not when you pvp alot you dont have a title or have a real low one because you dont run from 75% of the fights. </blockquote>Fame comes when people know you by name and know your a good pvper, real pvpers dont need titles. Most of the people who attack anyone talking about changing or removing titles know that they would not have people talk about their super pvp skills with out them having a title. I know a couple of players already that make anyone with a title run and these people dont even have a titles.Titles dont mean a thing to anyone but the person sporting it and even then to alot of them it doesnt mean jack either. Titles are making for less and less pvp and I will stand firm by this. Just because you dont see many people talking about it hear doesnt mean a thing, in game everyday I hear people laughing about complaining about the title huggers running away or zone hopping. All you have to do is turn on your chat and you can plain and clearly see titles are NOT helping pvp.

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 05:36 PM

Borias@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Titles matter a little bit, but not a lot. I still see Hunters/Slayers running from people that can't take fame from them as much, if not more than the Generals I see around. Granted what seems to seperate the freep generals from the destroyers is the ability to have more than 1 source of evac, or to make sure 80% of the group can evac. I agree I see heavy running on both sides with titled players involed.To be honest titles aren't the biggest problem, it's the cowards that won't refuse to fight anything other than overwhelming odds in their favor. All the Billy Bad [Removed for Content] that talk [I cannot control my vocabulary] on the forums and on their Q alts won't even do 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 fights. It has to be their 2 v 1. Nothing as dumb as collecting up 6-10 freeps at the TT spires with 1 group, all evaced, and watch them all call out 2 at a time. This is part of the problem also. Perhaps I am just a old school gamer but I remeber the days of pvp rangeing from Quake-Doom-EQ1-UO and many others where people fought not worried about titles or KvD ratios. You die, so what you respawn and give it another shot and had fun. I dont know if its just kids nowadays or people over all but all this being afraid to die in a game thing makes no sense what so ever. EQ2 gave people a level range so they would not have to fight people 30+ levels higher then them in the hopes that they would enjoy pvp more. As it is now even with the low level spreads people still only want to fight other people the max level below them.Evac should be removed. Zoning while in combat should be removed. And run speed should be just like EQ1 based off your health, the lower your health the slower you move because your character is badly beaten up. No more of this 30-90% run speed when your at 20% health.To those that say you don't bother with people with no titles and are low level- I guess you can't use the "I'm waiting for faction to unlock" card anymore then. And kill counts must not matter either, just titles. And T3 titles mean pretty much jack [I cannot control my vocabulary]. Oh snap your 5 skills are better than his 5 skills.*Edit* If you really want to fight good Q's- level your [I cannot control my vocabulary] up and join in the T7 pvp. We will be waiting to see just how good you really are. I am trying to fast as I can, was hopeing to level just off pvp but since it is so hard to find gonna have to start leveling off of PvE also. I use to level lock on my old Swashy and never realized that the higher level you get the more stuff you can do and the more fun you can have (Sounds stupid but alot of people think this way I guess). At 29 my Coercer is starting to come into power and I am able to do alot more things then I use too. I look forward to kicking your butt once I get to Teir 7<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>On a side note to all the pvpers out there that like calling pve severs carebear....you should probably stop because compared to other pvp games the pvp in EQ2 IS carebear<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Not saying I dont like it just pointing out the facts.

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 05:41 PM

Geynos@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Why ask for titles?1. Gauging battles (as people before me have said)2. Deciding if it is worth it to run across a zone to attack them. If there are a couple title-less people shouted out all the way across antonica or CL, they just aren't worth going to find. They are almost never fun to fight. They usually have crappy gear and crappy spells and do not give a sense of satisfaction to beat. It isn't worth running across a zone to find them. I find a lot of untitled people already and kill the ones in my path, its just not worth it to go way out of your way to *maybe* find them. Now if someone shouts about a group of slayers, well, that could be fun. Time for a 1v4 or so <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I must admitt I have never seen a title go after 4 others, its more often then not 4 other titles chasing after 1 titled.A grp of destroyer/champions: "/gu Get to WFP now we're rolling."People ask about titles for the above two reasons. We are in search of good pvp, rather than random Q noobs to kill. Maybe I'm just jaded.. but I guess thats what happens when you pvp a lot. So if you don't want to be considered "random Q noob" by all means, please get to at least slayer off the random freep noobs. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>I saw you all in force the other day what school is the guild from? Just wondering since your tag doesnt show the rest<img src="/smilies/0a4d7238daa496a758252d0a2b1a1384.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 05:43 PM

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>And you bust my chops about only hitting slayer!THATS IT!!! I am so gonna kick your butt in game now<img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (maybe)

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 05:45 PM

Popsi@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads? Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call? Titles arnt killin PvP, period. Stop this nonsense. Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us. </blockquote> +1</blockquote>Your post confused me.... +1?I know I am slow some times so can you please explain?

dr4gonUK

05-20-2007, 07:01 PM

Titles are a measure of success in pvp, nothing more.The only thing that needs changing with titles is how a group can get fame/infamy from a solo, or raids from a group.Hard to take seriously anything posted by a lvl 29* scrub tbh. Play the game for a bit before coming here and posting flamebait imo. Oh wait, let me guess, you have a 70 on a pvp server already but failed in t7 so rolled a t3 toon? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Peace.edit:*

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 07:31 PM

Herne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Titles are a measure of success in pvp, nothing more.The only thing that needs changing with titles is how a group can get fame/infamy from a solo, or raids from a group.Hard to take seriously anything posted by a lvl 29* scrub tbh. Play the game for a bit before coming here and posting flamebait imo. Oh wait, let me guess, you have a 70 on a pvp server already but failed in t7 so rolled a t3 toon? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Peace.edit:*</blockquote>Wow what is it with you people that play rangers and attacking people on the forums, kinda goes hand in hand. Hard to take anything serious posted by a ranger. /shrug You do realize this is not a nerf evac thread right? <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Rabbitoh

05-20-2007, 08:43 PM

I would gladly give up my title if it gave me more pvp and stopped people from hacking, cliff diving and the rest of the BS that goes on.Sadly most high titles are not a reflection of a players skill, it is a reflection of the class they play, how they group, or how they run.If you evac enough, camp out when you big atacks on long timers are down, only pvp in groups/raids and run alot, you too can have a high title, but I can't see why people pay $15 a month to do that.Ranger General Molok, Viligalante guild.

CresentBlade

05-20-2007, 09:10 PM

<cite>Rabbitoh wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would gladly give up my title if it gave me more pvp and stopped people from hacking, cliff diving and the rest of the BS that goes on.Sadly most high titles are not a reflection of a players skill, it is a reflection of the class they play, how they group, or how they run.If you evac enough, camp out when you big atacks on long timers are down, only pvp in groups/raids and run alot, you too can have a high title, but I can't see why people pay $15 a month to do that.Ranger General Molok, Viligalante guild.</blockquote> YAY! A nice Ranger!

Shikamaru

05-20-2007, 11:21 PM

Titles are boring

Firam

05-21-2007, 01:00 AM

<cite>CresentBlade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>And you bust my chops about only hitting slayer!THATS IT!!! I am so gonna kick your butt in game now<img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (maybe) </blockquote> I'm pretty sure the wink was his "I'm kidding" hint. I believe the last time I saw Ohnoez running around a few days ago he was an Overseer. And that's not surprising from a ranger... quite simply the best at fame farming right now with the tools they have available. Nothing like sitting at 45m+, usually on a plateau or somewhere out of sight, and ganking one person with burst DPS then running away at 80% sprint speed, hiding, and waiting on cooldowns. Mmmm mmm good, satisfaction through and through. This would also explain his first reponse in this thread where he got sullen and angry and told you basically to L2P, even though you had a good point. He can't discuss/argue the topic coherently with you, because he happens to BE one of the fame-huggers that can't see past their own title. Ah well. It'll probably take another 2-6 months before SoE actually does anything about this because they are legendary in their ability to ignore mass customer complaints until A) it reaches an absolute breaking point or B) another game/expansion comes out and threatens sales. Until then, we just have to wait. And keep posting about it. If enough people show they really care (or in this case, don't care) about the titles, maybe we can finally get them removed or get the ability to lock our own fame at 0 to step outside the whole system and play how we want to.

Firam

05-21-2007, 01:07 AM

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads? Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call? Titles arnt killin PvP, period. Stop this nonsense. Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us. </blockquote> it's not unranked people that dislike the title system. how about actually reading some of the posts in these threads and putting together a coherent response instead of desperately trying to protect your own title. i'll point you to <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=362907" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this post</a> of mine if you'd like an example of what I think should be done with the system. for your information, on my characters that i've played even semi seriously as PvPers, I've hit General, Dreadnaught, Dreadnaught, and Destroyer (destroyer is the 35 exiled illusionist that I just started and only play occasionally). if they let me strip away all of that fame with a single command and never gain it back again I would do it in a SECOND. there are other Champions+ who feel the same way. quite a few of us, actually. fame and the title system is a joke, and it does far, far more damage to the PvP dynamic than any benefit it might lend. you have no idea who or what you're talking about here, so I'd recommend you stay out of the conversation until you can get your wits about you and start making relevant and useful responses.

The_Real_Ohno

05-21-2007, 01:57 AM

Firamas wrote: <blockquote>Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Why is it always ppl that are Unranked-Slayer that come up with these threads? Seriously, u have issues gettin a title so this is your nerf call? Titles arnt killin PvP, period. Stop this nonsense. Ppl dont like to die, if there was no titles ppl would still run/zone to protect there KvD or whatever else.Ppl got to stop tryin to change this game every 2 seconds and actualy learn how to play the game the way SoE has made it for us. </blockquote> it's not unranked people that dislike the title system. how about actually reading some of the posts in these threads and putting together a coherent response instead of desperately trying to protect your own title. i'll point you to <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=362907" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this post</a> of mine if you'd like an example of what I think should be done with the system. for your information, on my characters that i've played even semi seriously as PvPers, I've hit General, Dreadnaught, Dreadnaught, and Destroyer (destroyer is the 35 exiled illusionist that I just started and only play occasionally). if they let me strip away all of that fame with a single command and never gain it back again I would do it in a SECOND. there are other Champions+ who feel the same way. quite a few of us, actually. fame and the title system is a joke, and it does far, far more damage to the PvP dynamic than any benefit it might lend. you have no idea who or what you're talking about here, so I'd recommend you stay out of the conversation until you can get your wits about you and start making relevant and useful responses. </blockquote>L2P <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />U are the small % of ppl that actually want titles taken out of the game, Fame makes the game more enjoyable imo. To each there own I guess. Even if they did let u hide/lock w/e the hell u want to do with your titles, u wont see many actually doing it...

CresentBlade

05-21-2007, 02:32 AM

<cite>Firamas wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>CresentBlade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>And you bust my chops about only hitting slayer!THATS IT!!! I am so gonna kick your butt in game now<img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (maybe) </blockquote> I'm pretty sure the wink was his "I'm kidding" hint. I believe the last time I saw Ohnoez running around a few days ago he was an Overseer. And that's not surprising from a ranger... quite simply the best at fame farming right now with the tools they have available. Nothing like sitting at 45m+, usually on a plateau or somewhere out of sight, and ganking one person with burst DPS then running away at 80% sprint speed, hiding, and waiting on cooldowns. Mmmm mmm good, satisfaction through and through. This would also explain his first reponse in this thread where he got sullen and angry and told you basically to L2P, even though you had a good point. He can't discuss/argue the topic coherently with you, because he happens to BE one of the fame-huggers that can't see past their own title. Ah well. It'll probably take another 2-6 months before SoE actually does anything about this because they are legendary in their ability to ignore mass customer complaints until A) it reaches an absolute breaking point or B) another game/expansion comes out and threatens sales. Until then, we just have to wait. And keep posting about it. If enough people show they really care (or in this case, don't care) about the titles, maybe we can finally get them removed or get the ability to lock our own fame at 0 to step outside the whole system and play how we want to. </blockquote>Yes if history has taught us anything is that SoE doesnt care untill it has too<img src="/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Moonbaby

04-24-2008, 09:30 PM

1, 2, 3...LEAVE THE GAME AS IT IS! I happen to like it. A game is never going to be perfect. And SoE, thank you so much for not listening to all of the nerf threads.I never post in these forums, but I think this is one of the most ridiculous nerfs I've seen. Titles have been around for a while, longer than I have, so why change it? People are used to it. Many valid points were said, but in the end, is this post going to matter? Do you seriously think that titles are going to be removed? The simple answer is no. And have fun when you quote this post and insert your little commentary! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Gimet

04-24-2008, 10:38 PM

This is coming from somebody who has NEVER gotten Champion. (Which is me if you didn't understand the statement, not talking to the OP)I consider the "average" PvP title to be Slayer. So many didferent skill of players comes from the Slayer title IMO. This title says "I've got PvP under my belt." Hunters and under have diffuculty playing sometimes, or are just on their way up to Slayer.Destroyer is where the noob PvP begins. I can never keep Destroyer on my Conjuror, can never reach Champion on my Monk and Fury. Plain and simple, too many title [Removed for Content] reside in Destroyer +.I use Titles as a way to judge SOME skill. You can't call someone with Champion a complete noob, they know something...whether it be cheap tactics or hiding in a group, you should be wary. Titles come in 2 forms....extreme PvP and doing well...or extreme Title whoring where things revolve around yoru title. I choose to surround myself with the Extreme PvP and doing well group of people.I'm rambling now...so I'll conclude with this...TITLES ARE NOT THE ISSUE. You take away titles, people will run from you to save their Ratio. Then people want Ratios to be invisible, and people will run so the other side doesn't know them as an easy no skilled player. The running will never stop, it's human nature. We have all run from NPC's when they're about to kill us....and what do we lose? -10% on our gear...a lot less than 70% or so of coin and an item to a Q/Freep. Taking the system away will not fix anything...I say cope with it or improve it.

Magius789

04-24-2008, 10:47 PM

<cite>Jitter@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="23" height="18" />" width="23" height="18"></blockquote>Hunter Ohnoez? What happened to the Ohnoez I used to know on Venekor who made my spells and jewelery for me?!?! You used to be Master Ohnoez and I remember you said after 3 days on your transfer to Naggy you made Overseer, did you exile or something? You def. know how to play a ranger so that hunter title is very misleading!Edit: Stupid sig not working, Hi Ohnoez its Privan! *waves*

Csky

04-24-2008, 11:13 PM

titles mean nothing in a game where high levels kill lower levels AND people are rewarded for outnumbering thier targets as if they actually had a challenging fight the people the OP is referring to probably stands no chance against the other people that are running in a group of 4 as you stated..so why would they leave an area where they might have a chance of escaping in situations they stand no chance in?? i doubt title is the problem as much as being tracked and run over constantly by numbers and high levels when questing with no escape..and quite frankly.. why should they be a token vendor for those people?people can get a title by being afk and on auto follow why thier group runs over lesser targets, why would titles mean anythng?

Amphibia

04-24-2008, 11:44 PM

Holy necro-post batman! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Greggthegrmreapr

04-25-2008, 01:30 AM

I was gonna post something, then as I read through some, I realized I posted in here almost a year ago... Necro Posting FTW!

-Arctura-

04-26-2008, 04:38 AM

((*points to the thread..*"... its dead, Jim."(leave it be!)

Balbas

04-26-2008, 05:29 AM

wow the op does seem rather upset he dosn't have a title ~!

Biaxil

04-29-2008, 12:07 AM

<cite>Balbasur wrote:</cite><blockquote>wow the op does seem rather upset he dosn't have a title ~!</blockquote>Well we all know balb gets all its fame from solo leaching cuz we all know he has no friends to group with.

Nimbrithil

04-29-2008, 01:24 AM

You know what pisses me off about the title mechaincs? I understand not getting ant fame or infamy for killing untitleds and what not when your say,,,,a dreadnaught....but when i make a twink pvp alt and get attacked by a dreadnaught 2 levels or more above me and hand him his [Removed for Content] on a platter,,,why is it i get nothing in the way of fame?

Oneira

04-29-2008, 02:21 AM

<cite>Genazu@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>titles mean nothing in a game where high levels kill lower levels AND people are rewarded for outnumbering thier targets as if they actually had a challenging fight the people the OP is referring to probably stands no chance against the other people that are running in a group of 4 as you stated..so why would they leave an area where they might have a chance of escaping in situations they stand no chance in?? i doubt title is the problem as much as being tracked and run over constantly by numbers and high levels when questing with no escape..and quite frankly.. why should they be a token vendor for those people?people can get a title by being afk and on auto follow why thier group runs over lesser targets, why would titles mean anythng?</blockquote>Why worry about titles? They are a big ho-hum IMO. Sure, there are ppl who have worked for their titles, I can see that, and some of them are really good pvpers. And some aren't. My new monk doesn't have a title at all, and frankly, it doesn't bother me because usually my pvp fights are me solo against either a gank squad that has caught me or an orange-con assassin or brigand that's licking his chops over a green-con in his sights. If I ran every single time with a full group I'm sure I'd be at least Champion by now.I've found that against those lovely orange-con predators and rogues, I actually win slightly less than 50% of the time. I consider that to be quite an accomplishment given that they are at least 3 levels above me. The hilarious part is when one of those orange cons beats me (usually in a close fight) and then corpse humps me as if they really did something impressive. That makes me laugh. I'm sure they'd be nowhere in sight if I was even con to them, unless I was engaged with some mob that is. Still, there are a few that just simply want to pvp for the fun and challenge. . . Anyway. Titles? Beh. You can have em. Get rid of them? Beh. Who cares enough to really be concerned about them? I consider them a non-issue.

bongolongo

04-29-2008, 05:42 AM

<cite>Biaxil@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Balbasur wrote:</cite><blockquote>wow the op does seem rather upset he dosn't have a title ~!</blockquote>Well we all know balb gets all its fame from solo leaching cuz we all know he has no friends to group with.</blockquote>Whats the funniest thing about this is, everyone on venekor knows he is a solo leacher, and has no friends also., and he isnt even on our server, hahah. Now that is what you call " Infamy" <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But that aside, leave it as it is in my opinion, its not an important part of the game, for most, and for those that it is important, well, so be it. I like anything that keeps people interested and playing.I have a necro and manage to bob between hunter and slayer (played solo mostly), most times i dont even notice the change in title, up or down. Though yesterday, i did have a yellow con scout ( ranger) run from my Defiler, he was stalking me, then realised i was line of sighting him into coming close, not sure if this was a title save, or he just didnt fancy fighting on my terms. I would like to say that most evac from groups to save their titles, but sadly i find this is not the case, it seems solo players evac from solo players if they stand a chance of winning, this i feel is the only downfall of the title system, and it makes a mockery of all those that got their high lvl titles, by being good pvpers, and not for being good evac,ers.

Ichigoo

04-29-2008, 06:16 AM

I wouldn't mind the title system changing a bit. However I can see where objections can come in for ppl wanting it to stay the way it is. You gotta take into account that major changes that make newbie players have an easier time is always gonna impact the vets, and this is not just the pvp system. Like the MC upgrade, i was pretty ticked cause i just spent plat on fabled gear and all of a sudden its obsolete? Some of the high ranking vets probably feel that if titles changed then all the hard work they put into earning that high title will be worthless. And not all of us high titled people farm this stuff or go out and pick off solo players in groups. Anyway here's a little bit of how hard it was to actually get a higher title. Note: this doesn't mean T7 since its just raids v grps and a lot of sokar post camping. It lags like hell and all you do in your raid is hit one button and poof 6 sec later your pvp writ is done. this is more for when you create a twink and lvl him up to t7. For no title-slayer its not really that hard to accomplish. a no title will slightly twink out and farm noobs till he's a slayer if need be. but once you hit destroyer and champ it becomes a lot harder to improve these titles. WHY? cause everyone you could kill for infamy will usually either run away, out number you if you do choose to fight, or are 5-10 lvls above you. Now despite pretty much always fighting an uphill battle to gain a little bit of infamy many players still manage to fight and make it to dread or higher. It takes a lot of effort to actually get to these titles. But all of sudden SOE changes the system? Can you see where a lot of high titled players have a problem with this. I still don't really like the current system though. i do feel it promotes ganking and a lot of running away but to completely remove it will make some heads roll. So if there is a change it probably has to be a really well thought out system. If its you gain infamy regardless of what title they are then there really will be a lot of dreads who farmed their title off noobs. If its based off kills like 2000 kills and you get champ then a 10:1 kvd ratio has the same title as some one else with a kvd ration of 1:10? Also then theres just basing it off KVD ratios. My sin has 2700+ kills and 200 deaths for a 13.5:1 but my wizard has 140 kills and 10 deaths so a 14:1. all of a sudden my just created wizard has a dread title the same as my three year long assassin? Probably not. Anyway these are just a few of the problems with the this kind of change. I'm sure theres a better system that can be adapted but atm I really can't come up with it.

ChopperDawg

04-29-2008, 10:42 AM

Titles are nice, but I just hate the fact now that you only get "infamy" for killing someone whose title is near or the same as yours. That's BS. If I help kill a general and I'm only a doodie hunter, what better case for increasing my infamy than that? And no Im not talking about a X4 vs one player. Case in point...me and one other person were questing in the jungle when a master came up on us and tried to snipe us (wait sounds like a ranger, a ranger with a title how unusual lol) and we ended up killing him like 3 times cuz he kept coming back for us. Well, needless to say we got nothing in the way of infamy. How broke is that?!!!! That's like me pitching to Alex Rodriguez and striking him out, and getting no media coverage....c'mon peeps, give us lowly hunters and slayers credit where credit is due. Title [Removed for Content] will disagree with me but I think I'm right in saying that you should get infamy anytime you kill anyone, as well as you should lose it anytime anyone kills you. I'm just sayin'...

Pavahac

04-29-2008, 11:29 AM

In the few months that I have played on a PvP server, I see titles as meaningless. When I see a title on a person all I see is, gank squad member. Don't get me wrong I know there are peeps out there that have gotten titles the right way. All I am saying is 90% of my fights have been gank squads killing me. Example would be 2 lvl 35's killing me in TS and I am a lvl 28, thats a challenge to them? Get real people the system is broke and needs to be fixed. Until I really learn how to play my toon I will never have a tilte and don't care. That's my 2cp.

KatrinaDeath

04-29-2008, 11:34 AM

Titles tell you how easy it is to actually catch this player and kill them.

Arielle Nightshade

04-29-2008, 06:08 PM

<cite>Jitter@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont have a high title, Im a Hunter <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="23" height="18" /></blockquote>Didn't read the whole thread but: Ohnoes is one of the people that plays this game to the max ....I'm sure he doesn't remember me, but whenever we saw him and crew, it was 'woohooo!!" we knew it was going to be a good fight - and one we thought 'as intended'. If Ohnoes is a Hunter, it's not cause he doesn't know how to play, it's cause he DOES...and dives in regardless.That said, I have a Dreadnaught title, and I'm not going to log on to lose it. It's not so much that I don't want to lose my title - hell that wouldn't matter...if I wasn't going to lose it to a bunch of hacking, cheating, god-miracle using exploiters. If I was going to get some decent PvP and (zomg) maybe get killed in a fight of fun and skill, I wouldn't care if I was title-less. I got my title playing as fairly as I possibly could - with a group that played the same way. When all the exploits were learned, and used, I quit. When an exploit is not fixed, those exploiting say "well..SoE didn't fix it, so it's 'as intended' don't blame us, blame the game". Fine, I'll blame the game, I also won't login and let you get any of my fame.Regards,

Raidyen

04-29-2008, 06:14 PM

Anyone Dreadnaught or higher, i try not to do pvp groups with. They tend to run way to often. Same goes for the otherside. If I attack a Dread, and they don't have atleast 2 to 1 odds, 90 percent of the time they bolt. Sucks for me because im trying to get some decent pvp gear. Thats on Venekor, might be different on Naggy.

Arielle Nightshade

04-29-2008, 06:20 PM

I'd never run from my group if I was in one...that's terrible. Title or no. That said, if I died from an exploit or cheat (and exploit does not = someone killed me and I lost infamy), I'd log out and vote with my feet ..as I have.

HerbertWalker

04-29-2008, 08:04 PM

<cite>Arielle Nightshade wrote:</cite><blockquote>That said, I have a Dreadnaught title, and I'm not going to log on to lose it.</blockquote>I want to say, 'what a tool', but instead I'm asking, why the f would you care if you lose your title?You will get some good pvp in the process of losing your title. Yes, you also will lose your title due to exploiters, traps, and gank groups. Again, who cares? Who exactly is impressed by a title? You can choose to either play the game and enjoy it when you do land some good pvp, or you might choose to remain wrapped up in some imaginary land where titles mean anything more than, as said above...how easy it is to actually catch this player and kill them.

Legion2024

04-30-2008, 03:08 AM

i love how people start splerting there mouths off when someone has a idea. k to the OP agreed i have had up to dred on my fury and detitled my self because as a healer and having a tilte makes for bad pvp do i give my fame away in efp so i never get past hunter again. to the scouts who flamed this go get a life. Titles mean nothing and if you think they do you are a sad panda, titles means to me that YOU sit next to docks imune, you gank people that are engaged or you do a lot of running and hiding, me i play i care not about titles as they are way to easy to get if you follow the tatics above. its funny i have not heard anyone of the scouts on here that have posted so you lot can not be to great or you spend all your time hiding where we do not see you.ps if you gauge some one by there titles you have lost the fight there and thenpss some titles can cost over 200plat to maintain selling and buying of fame is rampant on this server so titles realy do mean NOTHING