Ignoring scouts rank the classes for PvP

[Liral]

<p>I know I don't wanna play any of the scout classes on the PvP server so am curious how you folks would rank the rest of the classs minus scouts in terms of how well they fare in PvP. This will help me pick a class for starting on the PvP server.</p>

[Bozidar]

<p>Play what you enjoy, but do yourself a favor..</p><p>Get a guild.  Find one that's ready to show you the ropes of pvp, and group with you.  PvP isn't a /duel, it's grouping it's raiding.  There are classes out there that you will murder when you're solo (almost) regardless of what you play, and there are classes out there that will murder you on that same class.  Those fights won't be close.</p><p>But every class has a role in a well-built group.  Find 5 friends that want to start a dedicated pvp group with you, and build your team around the role each of you play.</p><p>If you want solo pvp.. honestly.. just go pve and /duel.  Scouts are the only classes that have obvious advantages for soloing (doesn't mean they're the only ones that can).  Everyone else is blind, and many times walking around under the noonday sun waiting to get ganked by the scouts out there, or the scouts leading well balanced groups out there.. </p><p>ALL classes are enjoyable and successful when you play to their strengths.  Learn your class, learn how to maximize his or her abilities and survivability, and how to maximize the power of your group.</p>

[Fonrian]

/hugz Raike

[Novusod]

A warden if played right is very dangerous and can solo pvp very well even when out numbered. I find group PvP grouping  completely pointless. These gank squads can drop solo'ers before I can even get a single hit in which means no fame and no faction so no point in me being in a PvP group unless it is to take on another group in which healing and dragging out the fight actually matters.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>A warden if played right is very dangerous and can solo pvp very well even when out numbered. I find group PvP grouping  completely pointless. These gank squads can drop solo'ers before I can even get a single hit in which means no fame and no faction so no point in me being in a PvP group unless it is to take on another group in which healing and dragging out the fight actually matters. </blockquote><p> Novusod ; First, agreed on the warden.</p><p>Second, when you roll with a group who is sensative to the faction needs of their healers, they will often "go easy" on solo's (especially greens) in order to give everyone time to get a hit in.</p><p>But you get fame, you get status, and you get a kill -- just no faction when you don't get a hit in.  Tip -- you probably have a fast-casting snare.  Use it.  When i'm leading my group around for pvp and we see a solo green, often the ONLY thing i'll cast on that player is a snare.. and a stun if he starts to get away.</p>

[Bozidar]

Splinter@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>/hugz Raike</blockquote><p> /hugz splinter.</p><p>I wish they had a best-sig-ever contest.. that's just amazing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Soulhunt]

<p>my 2 cents...NON SCOUT PVP CLASSES...top ten pvp classes</p><p># 1/2  fury/warden</p><p># 3 warlock</p><p># 4/5 monk/bruiser</p><p># 6 sk</p><p># 7 wizard</p><p># 8 berserker</p><p># 9/10 necro/conj</p>

[Bozidar]

Soulhunter@Vox wrote: <blockquote><p>seems no one directly answered ur question on which scouts are best for pvp.</p><p>#1 brig/swashy</p><p>#2 assassin/ranger</p><p>#3 dirge</p><p>#4 troubador [sp?]</p><p>depending on what side u pick...thats the order of best pvpers solo or grouped.</p><p>SOULHUNTER</p></blockquote><p>He didn't ask what the best scouts were.  He asked for the best non-scout class to play.. </p><p>And the answer is still -- play what you enjoy, just play it right.  There's no "Best".</p><p>And Nov above did suggest wardens, and mention how they fair in pvp.. and a warden is a great suggestion for a non-scout soloist. </p>

[Soulhunt]

<p>i saw and miss read...sorry...so i changed</p>

[Dragonsword]

He said dont wanna play scout!

[Bozidar]

<cite>Dragonsword wrote:</cite><blockquote>He said dont wanna play scout!</blockquote> thx for catching up <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[azekah]

I like this list better <blockquote><p># 1/2  fury/warden</p><p># 3 warlock</p><p># 4/5 monk/bruiser</p><p># <span style="color: #ffff66">6/7 necro/conj</span> </p><p># 8 sk</p><p># 9 wizard</p><p># 10 berserker</p></blockquote>

[CresentBlade]

Soulhunter@Vox wrote: <blockquote><p>my 2 cents...NON SCOUT PVP CLASSES...top ten pvp classes</p><p># 1/2  fury/warden</p><p># 3 warlock</p><p># 4/5 monk/bruiser</p><p># 6 sk</p><p># 7 wizard</p><p># 8 berserker</p><p># 9/10 necro/conj</p></blockquote>Bah! Wheres Coercer you bigot <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[azekah]

<cite>CresentBlade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bah! Wheres Coercer you bigot <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Somewhere near the bottom next to illusionist <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Norrsken]

<cite>azekah wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>CresentBlade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Bah! Wheres Coercer you bigot <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Somewhere near the bottom next to illusionist <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Hehe, you need to fight a good one. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[azekah]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>azekah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Somewhere near the bottom next to illusionist <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Hehe, you need to fight a good one. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>I'd like too...haven't met one to solo pvp yet... I have a 42 coercer on Befallen, but never thought much about how he would pvp.. Would be an interesting fight...

[ailen]

<cite>azekah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>azekah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Somewhere near the bottom next to illusionist <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Hehe, you need to fight a good one. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>I'd like too...haven't met one to solo pvp yet... I have a 42 coercer on Befallen, but never thought much about how he would pvp.. Would be an interesting fight... </blockquote><p>I don't understand the fascination with solo'ing.  It's an MMO, and if it's respect you are looking for.. you're not going to find it in this game anywhere...  </p><p>The top dog solo without being a scout is Fury.  Hands down Fury.  Warden is ok, but lacks the "oh crap I need to get the F outta here" utilities until later on like 44 or something they get a long casting very interruptable evac.   Furies get it all.  High dps if they want it, good heals if they want it, roots, and in combat runspeeds that are definitely overpowered.  PoTC I believe is an ancient and you dont get that til 50s so I don't count it for a new player.   Furies are probably the most overpowered class in the game for the most amount of tiers.  Later on they tone down a bit but a well geared and mastered T7 fury is definitely nothing to be taken lightly. Save an illusionist or a coercer most have little chance in a toe to toe fight.</p><p>You also get the druid ring ability at 25, which makes travelling across this Norrath place trivial.  Makes staying alive very easy...  run from a fight, zone line, cast portal, step through it, poof you're gone. </p>

[Bozidar]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>I don't understand the fascination with solo'ing.  It's an MMO, and if it's respect you are looking for.. you're not going to find it in this game anywhere...  </p><p>The top dog solo without being a scout is Fury.  Hands down Fury.  Warden is ok, but lacks the "oh crap I need to get the F outta here" utilities until later on like 44 or something they get a long casting very interruptable evac.   Furies get it all.  High dps if they want it, good heals if they want it, roots, and in combat runspeeds that are definitely overpowered.  PoTC I believe is an ancient and you dont get that til 50s so I don't count it for a new player.   Furies are probably the most overpowered class in the game for the most amount of tiers.  Later on they tone down a bit but a well geared and mastered T7 fury is definitely nothing to be taken lightly. Save an illusionist or a coercer most have little chance in a toe to toe fight.</p><p>You also get the druid ring ability at 25, which makes travelling across this Norrath place trivial.  Makes staying alive very easy...  run from a fight, zone line, cast portal, step through it, poof you're gone. </p></blockquote>both warden evac and PotC are lvl 39 spells..  just FYI

[azekah]

I solo because I enjoy it... I also group because that's fun... I'm guessing that's why other people do it too...

[ailen]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>I don't understand the fascination with solo'ing.  It's an MMO, and if it's respect you are looking for.. you're not going to find it in this game anywhere...  </p><p>The top dog solo without being a scout is Fury.  Hands down Fury.  Warden is ok, but lacks the "oh crap I need to get the F outta here" utilities until later on like 44 or something they get a long casting very interruptable evac.   Furies get it all.  High dps if they want it, good heals if they want it, roots, and in combat runspeeds that are definitely overpowered.  PoTC I believe is an ancient and you dont get that til 50s so I don't count it for a new player.   Furies are probably the most overpowered class in the game for the most amount of tiers.  Later on they tone down a bit but a well geared and mastered T7 fury is definitely nothing to be taken lightly. Save an illusionist or a coercer most have little chance in a toe to toe fight.</p><p>You also get the druid ring ability at 25, which makes travelling across this Norrath place trivial.  Makes staying alive very easy...  run from a fight, zone line, cast portal, step through it, poof you're gone. </p></blockquote>both warden evac and PotC are lvl 39 spells..  just FYI </blockquote><p>well that sums it up then.  fury.  fury. fury.</p><p>PoTC is waaay better than that crappy long cast warden evac.  and it can be used how often? </p>

[ailen]

<cite>azekah wrote:</cite><blockquote>I solo because I enjoy it... I also group because that's fun... I'm guessing that's why other people do it too... </blockquote> yay for you, here's a cookie.

[Bozidar]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>well that sums it up then.  fury.  fury. fury.</p><p>PoTC is waaay better than that crappy long cast warden evac.  and it can be used how often? </p></blockquote><p> every 5 mins.</p><p>But in a group, warden > fury <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Point is to keep your group alive, not escape when half have died.. </p><p>most power effecient healer in the game = warden</p><p>as a soloist, warden > fury until lvl 23, then it's all fury, IMO.</p>

[Norrsken]

Furies are vastly overrated.

[ailen]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>well that sums it up then.  fury.  fury. fury.</p><p>PoTC is waaay better than that crappy long cast warden evac.  and it can be used how often? </p></blockquote><p> every 5 mins.</p><p>But in a group, warden > fury <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Point is to keep your group alive, not escape when half have died.. </p><p>most power effecient healer in the game = warden</p><p>as a soloist, warden > fury until lvl 23, then it's all fury, IMO.</p></blockquote><p>I had a Warden at 41, deleted him a while back, I have too many toons.  I feared no one.  I could take on a couple of people at a time if they weren't twinks.  </p><p>He said Solo.... so I didn't count the warden as the top dog.  I played my warden with some guildies that had made some scouts for fun as they were healers/mages/tanks in T7...    they all left to Vanguard so I didn't play my warden much anymore.  </p><p>when I fight furies, I am not sure what to expect.  in all tiers... they are nasty nasty things to fight.</p><p>and for Ulvhamme.... overrated?  Whatever.. he said what's the best solo outside of scout...   that's it.  Your answer is fury.   Disagree, please state why instead of offering up a [Removed for Content] of an statement "furies are overrated"  What that offers the thread I have no idea. </p>

[Norrsken]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>well that sums it up then.  fury.  fury. fury.</p><p>PoTC is waaay better than that crappy long cast warden evac.  and it can be used how often? </p></blockquote><p> every 5 mins.</p><p>But in a group, warden > fury <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Point is to keep your group alive, not escape when half have died.. </p><p>most power effecient healer in the game = warden</p><p>as a soloist, warden > fury until lvl 23, then it's all fury, IMO.</p></blockquote><p>I had a Warden at 41, deleted him a while back, I have too many toons.  I feared no one.  I could take on a couple of people at a time if they weren't twinks.  </p><p>He said Solo.... so I didn't count the warden as the top dog.  I played my warden with some guildies that had made some scouts for fun as they were healers/mages/tanks in T7...    they all left to Vanguard so I didn't play my warden much anymore.  </p><p>when I fight furies, I am not sure what to expect.  in all tiers... they are nasty nasty things to fight.</p><p>and for Norrsken.... overrated?  Whatever.. he said what's the best solo outside of scout...   that's it.  Your answer is fury.   Disagree, please state why instead of offering up a [Removed for Content] of an statement "furies are overrated"  What that offers the thread I have no idea. </p></blockquote>furies are not the top dog because;' Most fury players suffer from hubris and go down like babes in a brothel once they find someone that knows how to fight them. Furies DPS can be outhealed by pretty much all self healing classes. Its not much to call dps tbh, and when its a war about the blue bar, furies arent the strong ones. furies mitigation is not anything worth mentioning. Their resists are the same as every other class that depends on mit, or any raider for that matter. Sure, they can heal. Whoptedoo. they wont die in 10 seconds. Unless its some dumb DPS class [Removed for Content] them. Sure they can run fast. Woho, doesnt help the ones I fight, since they tend to stay around for far to long to make it out of my cast range before they die. Those two are all the things furies get that are any different than most classes, and they only have 1 thing other healers dont. They can run very fast. Woot. so, being able to run fast is what makes you the top dog?

[ailen]

<p>Then pray do tell, MR know it all.. WHAT IS THE TOP pvp class besides scouts?</p><p>Offer something constructive here... instead of rebuttals.. What is the top SOLO pvp class besides any scout?</p>

[Bozidar]

<p>most healer classes, if properly spec'd will kill a fury 1v1.</p><p>Doesn't mean that a fury isn't the best soloist besides a scout.  It's an overall judgement call.</p><p>Furies can't beat everything 1v1, but they've got more survivability than other healers BECAUSE of their escape mechanisms.</p>

[Norrsken]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Then pray do tell, MR know it all.. WHAT IS THE TOP pvp class besides scouts?</p><p>Offer something constructive here... instead of rebuttals.. What is the top SOLO pvp class besides any scout?</p></blockquote>Basically, there is no top dog, unless you consider the sashy, that is arguably a tad overpowered.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>most healer classes, if properly spec'd will kill a fury 1v1.</p><p>Doesn't mean that a fury isn't the best soloist besides a scout.  It's an overall judgement call.</p><p>Furies can't beat everything 1v1, but they've got more survivability than other healers BECAUSE of their escape mechanisms.</p></blockquote>And yet, despite all that running capability, they die to me. PotC? Oh, HT. Or lifeburn, or manaburn. Or a number of other choices.

[Bozidar]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>most healer classes, if properly spec'd will kill a fury 1v1.</p><p>Doesn't mean that a fury isn't the best soloist besides a scout.  It's an overall judgement call.</p><p>Furies can't beat everything 1v1, but they've got more survivability than other healers BECAUSE of their escape mechanisms.</p></blockquote>And yet, despite all that running capability, they die to me. PotC? Oh, HT. Or lifeburn, or manaburn. Or a number of other choices. </blockquote><p>*sigh*</p><p>Did i say they were invincible? </p>

[ailen]

He's trolling Bodizar.  dude has a 2:1 .. they dont ALL die to you.. now do they?

[Bozidar]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>He's trolling Bodizar.  dude has a 2:1 .. they dont ALL die to you.. now do they?</blockquote><p> i don't usually pay too much attention to forum sig pictures.  They rarely tell the full story of a player.</p><p>That being said, he IS trolling a bit.</p><p>I guess he feels there is no non-scout top dog.. fine.  Then just say that.</p><p>I'll stand by furies as #1 non scout solo class.</p><p>And btw, len... player skill means a lot more than people admit.  I've killed yellow titled druids on my lowbie brigand.  Not something i'd normally be able to do given RPS, and the levels involved..  Does that mean all druids suck and i can beat them all?  Of course not.. usually if i'm solo and i see a druid i just go the other way.. </p>

[Dragonsword]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dragonsword wrote:</cite><blockquote>He said dont wanna play scout!</blockquote> thx for catching up <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>Shows how long it takes me to post, when I wrote it there were no posts after it.