The Teir'Dal Legacy!

[Draska]

I've recently been reading alot of Teir'Dal lore etc... i have noticed a trend with alot of Dark Elf people... for Example, Queen Cristanos.. sometimes becomes Cristianos.. etc.. Anyway, i was wondering if anyone knows a good place for lore ingame, I checked Neriak on Test and was dissapointed not to find anything about whats been going on in Neriak since its been underground.. and those horrid little Arasai.. Also did Naythox's son survive the War of the Fay.. or didnt he? and i noticed Cusashorn mentioning a Scrolls.. whats that? so many Questions, we really need a Lorewiki or something.. used to have one in Wowwiki.. we need a Norrethwiki

[RaphaNissi]

I have a feeling we are going to get some more Neriak lore soon. Until then.... yes, the Prince survived. The scroll is one that allows the Teir'Dal to commune and talk to Innoruuk, their creator.  It was torn in half with one part being held in Neriak while the other half was in Felwithe with the High Elves.  The Prince recovered it and was bringing it back to Neriak when the Battle at Cauldron Hollow broke out.  Assassins of the Arm came from seemingly nowhere and started killing everyone around.  Prince Talvus escaped and the scroll disappeared.  Seems it found its way back to Neriak. Hope that helps.

[Draska]

Ohh.. nice!!

[Cusashorn]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they just add Neriak into the game with no intention of releasing some backstory for it.

[Kamimura]

<cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Until then.... yes, the Prince survived.</p><p>Prince Talvus escaped and the scroll disappeared.  </p></blockquote>Where is the prince now?

[Aragmar123]

<cite>Kamimura wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Until then.... yes, the Prince survived.</p><p>Prince Talvus escaped and the scroll disappeared.  </p></blockquote>Where is the prince now? </blockquote>In another castle

[Siufu]

The scroll is not the one in the Cauldron Hollow event. That one is called "scroll of H'dar". And the one in Neriak is called "scroll of G'han". <img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Cusashorn/EQ2_000015.jpg" border="0">

[RaphaNissi]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they just add Neriak into the game with no intention of releasing some backstory for it.</blockquote>I HIGHLY doubt that.  As for the Prince, my best guess is that he is staying somewhere quite hidden as to stay off Mommy's radar. (btw, nice catch on the scroll.  That's what I get for going along with the croawd and not checking the name myself <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) EDIT*  Ok, I did a bit of searching on this other scroll as it's listed in the picture there.  Apparently, it's the same scroll.  <i>In neriak 3rd gate on the top floor of the lodge of the dead. You ask Noxhil V'Sek "who is Innoruuk". He then mentions the Scroll of G'han, was scribed long ago by the great necromancer G'han, with which they can communicate directly with Innoruuk. However the 2nd half of the scroll was apparantly stollen by a rogue hired by the Koada'Dal and now lies within Felwithe. I am not sure where this goes. Of note it that you can get a scroll valued by Innoruuk in the Visiting Princess Quest in Najena. This might be part of that quest.</i>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Thanks for referencing my screenshot there, Siufu.</p>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<p>Perhaps a pertinant question might be, "Which Prince are you refering to?"  I wish I had taken more screen shots of the Tseraph of Hate version of Cauldron Hollow, because I'm almost certain that the Prince there was not the same one that's in Death Grotto.  It is interesting to see a the royal family, though.  For as much as Cristanos and Naythox hated each other, I'm surprised to see any kids at all.  They must have had great make-up sex, or something.  The prince that is in favor with the Queen is the leader of the Dread Guard.  I suppose this might explain why the Dread Guard is the security force of the Cristonian Empire, and not the Indigo Brotherhood, though I'm still surprised she let the Indigo Brotherhood remain intact.  I'd have thought she'd have disbanded and dismantled it.</p><p><img src="http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o96/NocAbyss/EQ2_000004.jpg" border="0"></p><p>Most likely the younger siblings of the Prince who has the support of the Thexians.</p>

[TheKons]

<cite>Draska wrote:</cite><blockquote>I checked Neriak on Test and was dissapointed not to find anything about whats been going on in Neriak since its been underground.. and those horrid little Arasai.. </blockquote>Neriak has always been underground.

[Draska]

Most Teir'Dal cities are underground, this i know, i guess my wording was wrong. I was just stating the lack of Books etc in Neriak... I'd like to know how The Arasai came about and how she managed to persuade the Teir'Dal to accept her.. and how the hell did Vampires get a home there?

[Kamimura]

Nocturnal Abyss wrote: <blockquote><p>Perhaps a pertinant question might be, "Which Prince are you refering to?" </p></blockquote> Seeing him in Neriak is the first I've heard of Prince Tarant. I'm mostly wondering of the fate of Prince Talvus.

[Ama]

<cite>TheKons wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Draska wrote:</cite><blockquote>I checked Neriak on Test and was dissapointed not to find anything about whats been going on in Neriak since its been underground.. and those horrid little Arasai.. </blockquote>Neriak has always been underground. </blockquote> I've been on test and seen some lore pieces and bits here and there.  Something is brewing in that city and it can't be good.  The Arasai prove that Inny is pathetic when it comes to making his own creations.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Had to corrupt the elves to make the DEs then corrupt the Fae to make the Arasai.  That's why my Arasai worships Rallos zek the god of battle...for the time being anyways. 

[Cusashorn]

^ Innoruuk had nothing to do with the creation of the Arasai, Amana.

[Draska]

Not directly atleast... but on the contary he has a very large part in there making

[Controlor]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TheKons wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Draska wrote:</cite><blockquote>I checked Neriak on Test and was dissapointed not to find anything about whats been going on in Neriak since its been underground.. and those horrid little Arasai.. </blockquote>Neriak has always been underground. </blockquote> I've been on test and seen some lore pieces and bits here and there.  Something is brewing in that city and it can't be good.  The Arasai prove that Inny is pathetic when it comes to making his own creations.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Had to corrupt the elves to make the DEs then corrupt the Fae to make the Arasai.  That's why my Arasai worships Rallos zek the god of battle...for the time being anyways.  </blockquote>Agree with you Amana on the fact that Inny is a panzy god. (Not the making of the arasai that was all the queens doing). But yah Inny I see inny as a spoiled child. "Boo hoo the other gods left me out of their meeting. They made their own races. Thats unfair. I am going to get back at them. I will make my own race. But i dont know how to make one.... I know i will take Tunares children and make them mine." He just needs a time out.

[Cusashorn]

He created the Luggalds, and considers them his chosen children more than the Dark Elves...

[Themaginator]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>He created the Luggalds, and considers them his chosen children more than the Dark Elves...</blockquote> didnt he do that after Planes of Power though? like in Legacy of Ykesha

[Draska]

One word... Frogloks

[Nocturnal Aby]

<p>Innoruuk, simply put, uses people.  Luggalds, Dark Elves, trolls, humans, it doesn't matter, if there's a glimmer of a chance that he can twist something to extend his influence, he does it.  To tell the truth, we honestly know very little about the Luggalds.  To me, they almost seem like he twisted the Kedge, and ended up with the Luggalds.  All we know for certain is that they were an amphibious race devout to Innoruuk.  Yes, killing a ring event spawned a mini Inny in Ykesha, but in the Plane of Hate, I never saw many Luggalds.</p><p>Again, Inny simply exploits every opportunity that presents itself to extend his sphere of influence.  To that end, it's not overly surprising that you have two warring factions of Teir'Dal that hate each other.  Look on the bright side, if the Teir'Dal ever united under one banner, the rest of the world MIGHT have something to fear.</p>

[Cusashorn]

Sashtan@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>He created the Luggalds, and considers them his chosen children more than the Dark Elves...</blockquote> didnt he do that after Planes of Power though? like in Legacy of Ykesha </blockquote> Legacy is part of the time split. The Marr-blessed Frogloks wouldn't exist if it didn't. More-so. The time split didn't happen during Plane of Power, per say, but rather during July of 2003 when the first guilds finaly beat the Plane of Time.

[The_Cheeseman]

Where is the fun in making your own race? The other gods already did that, it's old hat, now. Innoruuk thrives on cruelty and hatred, so it was infinitely greater for him to steal the pure, good children of Tunare, and corrupt them to become his vile followers. That way you not only get your own race, you get to deprive your rival of some of hers, AND breed racial hatred for generations to come. A win-win situation for the god of hatred.

[Controlor]

<cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where is the fun in making your own race? The other gods already did that, it's old hat, now. Innoruuk thrives on cruelty and hatred, so it was infinitely greater for him to steal the pure, good children of Tunare, and corrupt them to become his vile followers. That way you not only get your own race, you get to deprive your rival of some of hers, AND breed racial hatred for generations to come. A win-win situation for the god of hatred. </blockquote>Its called Plagerism.... <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> heh.

[Kryussius]

And after thousands of years of twisting, corrupting, and torturing countless peoples, as well as sparking a number of wars, I'm sure committing plagerism really keeps Innoruuk up at night.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Themaginator]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sashtan@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>He created the Luggalds, and considers them his chosen children more than the Dark Elves...</blockquote> didnt he do that after Planes of Power though? like in Legacy of Ykesha </blockquote> Legacy is part of the time split. The Marr-blessed Frogloks wouldn't exist if it didn't. More-so. The time split didn't happen during Plane of Power, per say, but rather during July of 2003 when the first guilds finaly beat the Plane of Time.</blockquote> Ahhh true ok so that clears up this one debate i was having with a friend lol

[PassingStranger]

<p>To the question asked regarding the fate of Prince Talvus - he's presumably the leader of the Thexians. There is definetly a named NPC in the Lesser Faydark Thexian who's title is "Legionnare of Talvus" I believe. As far as I know, he's physically not in game, though. Not sure if he had any idea what happened to Neriak after it was sealed off, but I'm sure one of the reasons he wants to get back to it so badly is because he has some understand able "mommy issues".</p>

[Axxon]

Do you know what bugs me?  And maybe someone has an answer for this.  The Seraph of Hate had us running around collecting spirit buds as part of the Inny diety quest.  I knew Arsai were coming, so I thought "of course!  Inny will corrupt another of Tunare's creations (the fae) and create the Arsai to be rolled out in the future."  But now that is not the case - Cristanos is credited for making him and she is not even on Inny's faction.  So if Inny's seraph wanted buds to play with, why is it that Cristanos is now the one who created the Arsai and not Inny?

[Dreyco]

Is it possible that Cristanos and the Seraph were working together at the time? What caused them to get upset at each other and form the seperate factions?

[Kryussius]

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is it possible that Cristanos and the Seraph were working together at the time? What caused them to get upset at each other and form the seperate factions?</blockquote><p> I think it's more likely that the Seraph was working for her god, and expected the buds to be used by those loyal to Innoruuk, whereas the Queen had other plans and had them delivered to the Dead when they arrived in Neriak.</p><p>Another possibility is that while there's a schism between the two (Cristanos and the followers of Innoruuk) within Neriak itself and in the areas nearby, Greater Faydark is quite a ways away, so the Seraph may have no idea that the buds that are gathered are actually being gathered for the Queen to twist, and not for some purpose for Innoruuk himself.</p>

[Wilde_Night]

It upsets me as well that the betrayal quest in Neriak is about helping the Disciples of Innoruuk and then getting kicked out because you are working against Cristanos's faction.  Innoruuk needs to step in here and kick her butt.  None of my characters are fond of the Queen because of her betrayal of Naythox in the first place.. so I guess they count as Thexians now.  But, the Father of Hate needs to put his foot down and send Cristanos a message... like my dagger in her heart.

[TheGReddy]

In the latest articles about Neriak from Eq2Warcry it states that Crisantos is a demi-goddess. Is this really true? And if so is it possible that she could have gone to the "Demi" Level of Power with Mayong except Mayong decided to give up that power while Crisantos kept it? Kinda interesting...

[Themaginator]

<cite>TheGReddy wrote:</cite><blockquote>In the latest articles about Neriak from Eq2Warcry it states that Crisantos is a demi-goddess. Is this really true? And if so is it possible that she could have gone to the "Demi" Level of Power with Mayong except Mayong decided to give up that power while Crisantos kept it? Kinda interesting...</blockquote>when did Mayong have the Demi-God power in the EQ2 time line? that was in EQ1 after the timesplit so its not cannon here, as for Cristanos being a Demi-God...thatd be scary

[DrkVsr]

<span style="font-size: small; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">Cristanos is a Demi-God because she has followers who view her as such, plus an entire race she 'created'</span>

[RaphaNissi]

Aeviel@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>It upsets me as well that the betrayal quest in Neriak is about helping the Disciples of Innoruuk and then getting kicked out because you are working against Cristanos's faction.  Innoruuk needs to step in here and kick her butt.  None of my characters are fond of the Queen because of her betrayal of Naythox in the first place.. so I guess they count as Thexians now.  But, the Father of Hate needs to put his foot down and send Cristanos a message... like my dagger in her heart.</blockquote>Except that Inny is eating all this up.  This is exactly the kind of conflict and hatred that Innoruuk enjoys watching.  His creation is doing exactly what he created them to be.

[Axxon]

<cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>Aeviel@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>It upsets me as well that the betrayal quest in Neriak is about helping the Disciples of Innoruuk and then getting kicked out because you are working against Cristanos's faction.  Innoruuk needs to step in here and kick her butt.  None of my characters are fond of the Queen because of her betrayal of Naythox in the first place.. so I guess they count as Thexians now.  But, the Father of Hate needs to put his foot down and send Cristanos a message... like my dagger in her heart.</blockquote>Except that Inny is eating all this up.  This is exactly the kind of conflict and hatred that Innoruuk enjoys watching.  His creation is doing exactly what he created them to be. </blockquote>Well, yes and no.  In the deity quest, you learn that, while he still wants you to hate everyone else, unity among the faithful to Innoruuk is to be maintained.  The old keeper of the dark beacon is even killed by Innoruuk's wrath when he attempts to kill you -  a member of Innoruuk's faithful.  So Neriak now is a situation where the faction loyal to Innoruuk is at odds with the Queen.  To me, that means  she is no longer faithful to Inny and needs to die slowly and painfully. 

[Wilde_Night]

Correct.  The Teir'Dal are not "stupid-evil" D&D Drow who think that chaos, even in their own ranks, is what their god wants.  Innoruuk is into Hated through unity.  You can't rule the world divided.  Though they are the children of Hate, they understand that they need to work together to fulfill their Father's wishes.  Cristanos is causing a divide, a disruption.  I am sure eventually she will have to pay for her meglomania and ego trip.

[DrkVsr]

<span style="font-size: small; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">If Inny doesn't do something soon, it will be too late to put the slap-down on Crissy</span>

[Nahlis]

Only slightly off-topic I hope, but I'm intending to start a new alt with the Neriak content and play a Dark Elf for the first time.  Can any of you recommend a good site that has a lot of Norrath style Dark-Elf Lore I can browse, or am I just going to have to dig through the forums here and piece things together?

[Cusashorn]

Nahlis@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>Only slightly off-topic I hope, but I'm intending to start a new alt with the Neriak content and play a Dark Elf for the first time.  Can any of you recommend a good site that has a lot of Norrath style Dark-Elf Lore I can browse, or am I just going to have to dig through the forums here and piece things together?</blockquote> You certainly arn't going to find anything IN Neriak, that's for sure.

[DrkVsr]

<span style="font-size: small; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">Might have a better shot at finding the info you are looking for on the EQLive boards</span>