no new people?

[azekah]

I've created so many alts I can't count. And when starting new characters I always find people new to EQII. I'm amazed at how many posts there are that state there are no new players coming to the game. I would like to know where they get their wisdom from? As from my experience I find new people all the time.

[Norrsken]

<cite>azekah wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've created so many alts I can't count. And when starting new characters I always find people new to EQII. I'm amazed at how many posts there are that state there are no new players coming to the game. I would like to know where they get their wisdom from? As from my experience I find new people all the time. </blockquote>Well, if you try and drive the point in that the game is dying (wrong or not), saying anything about new people arriving is kind of counter productive. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Miss_Jackie]

Well, if it makes you feel better, I'm new to the game. Coming over from EQ1 myself. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kizee]

<cite>azekah wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've created so many alts I can't count. And when starting new characters I always find people new to EQII. I'm amazed at how many posts there are that state there are no new players coming to the game. I would like to know where they get their wisdom from? As from my experience I find new people all the time. </blockquote><p>New people as in lower levels or truely new people to game?</p><p>If you inspect them and they have close to 100% rare crafted/legendary armor on then there is a good chance that its a level 70's twink.</p>

[Raveller]

<p>The rare harvests in T1 and T2 are not rare at all. Anyone can go out and in a pretty short time harvest all the rares needed to get completely decked out in Mastercrafted gear with all skills at Adept 3. Oh, and a couple of weeks ago I started an alt on the island and picked up 3 Legendary items before I left, so those aren't all that rare now either.</p><p>Kizee, take that giant stick out of your butt.</p>

[dartie]

<cite>Miss_Jackie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, if it makes you feel better, I'm new to the game. Coming over from EQ1 myself. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> Miss Jackie, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't a new player.  If you read any of the posts on this forum, you will quickly perceive that you are simply a new quitter.</p><p>You are going to quit soon because the changes in the economy wrought by transmuting are going to terrify you.  (Never mind that you have no basis for comparison and that you believe yourself to be capable of adapting to the economy that is rather than the one that used to be.  Plenty of experienced players will assure you that the economy of EQ2 will crush your soul, and you will soon be crying "Heavens to Betsy" and falling into a dead faint each time you open the broker.  I'm sorry for your pain.)</p><p>You are going to quit soon because the fae are too bright and glittery and pose a deep threat to your sexuality.  (I'm sorry, but it's a statistically supported fact that this is the case.  You may as well cancel your account now.)</p><p>You are going to quit soon because tinkering requires too much leaded loam.  (I know you think that there are more interesting things to do than tinker.  You might imagine that you are capable of becoming interested in leveling your character, racking up AA, or just experiencing quests out of curiosity.  Unfortunately, this is deeply flawed thinking.  The only thing that matters to new players is that the new tradeskills {tinkering and transmuting} take a lot of time and money, so you are going to post a bunch of messages about how much you hate them, and then you are going to quit.  Just read these forums, and you will see this is a fact.  I'm sorry you wasted your money on this game.)</p><p>You are going to quit because the devs pay too much attention to low areas and don't churn out enough raid zones.  (I know you think that since you just started, new raid zones for L70s are the last thing on your mind.  You've fallen into an age-old logical trap here.  In fact, all that any players care about, whether they know it or not, is new high-level raids.  You'll probably quit before you even reach L30 to protest this oversight on the devs' part.  I know that sounds crazy to you, but it's a fact.  Just read these forums.)</p><p>You're going to quit because SOE can't stop the plat spammers.  When you get 3 tells from plat spammers in the course of a 5-hour gaming session, it is going to make you so angry that you won't be able to sleep anymore . . . ever.  You will have to spend the rest of your life posting complaints on these forums about how the plat spammers have ruined your existence.  It's a fact.  Look it up.</p><p>You're going to quit because WoW has more subscribers than EQ2.  You're going to complain endlessly about how immature the players of WoW are, but you are then going to complain even more endlessly about how SOE fails, month after month, to bring them into EQ2.  This too is a fact.  </p><p>You're going to complain that there isn't enough realism in the game.  You are also going to complain that there aren't enough fantasy elements in the game.  You will often make both of these complaints in the same post in which you threaten to cancel your account.  This is required.  It's a fact.  </p><p>You're going to quit because Fae can glide or because Gnomes can't glide or because it takes too long to get to Greater Faydark from Freeport or because it doesn't take long enough to get from Greater Faydark to Freeport or because there aren't enough other people on your server (which is why you can't find a group) or because there are too many people on your server (which is why you can never find any nodes to harvest) or because it's too hard to get AA after you reach L70 or because everything about the game (soloing, tradeskilling, raiding) is too easy.</p><p>The hardest part about all of this to accept (because it's a sort of Jedi mind trick) is that you MUST have already quit EQ2.  Just read the forums.  It's simply not possible that anyone plays this game.  It's a proven fact that every single decision SOE makes is just one more source of aggravation to the players, so we all must have quit playing ages ago.  I know I have a distinct recollection of playing just last night, but I couldn't possibly have played a game that has so many things wrong with it.  </p><p>You've probably already quit playing too.  Quick, maybe there's time to get a refund on the software!</p><p>Edit:  spelling.  </p>

[Velsha]

<cite>dartie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Miss_Jackie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, if it makes you feel better, I'm new to the game. Coming over from EQ1 myself. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> Miss Jackie, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't a new player.  If you read any of the posts on this forum, you will quickly perceive that you are simply a new quitter.</p><p>You are going to quit soon because the changes in the economy wrought by transmuting are going to terrify you.  (Never mind that you have no basis for comparison and that you believe yourself to be capable of adapting to the economy that is rather than the one that used to be.  Plenty of experienced players will assure you that the economy of EQ2 will crush your soul, and you will soon be crying "Heavens to Betsy" and falling into a dead faint each time you open the broker.  I'm sorry for your pain.)</p><p>You are going to quit soon because the fae are too bright and glittery and pose a deep threat to your sexuality.  (I'm sorry, it's a statistically supported fact that this is the case.  You may as well cancel your account now.)</p><p>You are going to quit soon because tinkering requires too much leaded loam.  (I know you think that there are more interesting things to do than tinker.  You might imagine that you are capable of becoming interested in leveling your character, racking up AA, or just experiencing quests out of curiosity.  Unfortunately, this is deeply flawed thinking.  The only thing that matters to new players is that the new tradeskills {tinkering and transmuting} take a lot of time and money, so you are going to post a bunch of messages about how much you hate them, and then you are going to quit.  Just read these forums, and you will see this is a fact.  I'm sorry you wasted your money on this game.)</p><p>You are going to quit because the devs pay too much attention to low areas and don't churn out enough raid zones.  (I know you think that since you just started, new raid zones for L70s are the last thing on your mind.  You've fallen into an age-old logical trap here.  In fact, all that any players care about, whether they know it or not, is new high-level raids.  You'll probably quit before you even reach L30 to protest this oversite on the devs' part.  I know that sounds crazy to you, but it's a fact.  Just read these forums.)</p><p>You're going to quit because SOE can't stop the plat spammers.  When you get 3 tells from plat spammers in the course of a 5-hour gaming session, it is going to make you so angry that you won't be able to sleep anymore . . . ever.  You will have to spend the rest of your life posting complaints on these forums about how the plat spammers have ruined your existence.  It's a fact.  Look it up.</p><p>You're going to quit because WoW has more subscribers than EQ2.  You're going to complain endlessly about how immature the players of WoW are, but you are then going to complain even more endlessly about how SOE fails, month after month, to bring them into EQ2.  This too is a fact.  </p><p>You're going to complain that there isn't enough realism in the game.  You are also going to complain that there aren't enough fantasy elements in the game.  You will often make both of these complaints in the same post in which you threaten to cancel your account.  This is required.  It's a fact.  </p><p>You're going to quit because Fae can glide or because Gnomes can't glide or because it takes too long to get to Greater Faydark from Freeport or because it doesn't take long enough to get from Greater Faydark to Freeport or because there aren't enough other people on your server (which is why you can't find a group) or because there are too many people on your server (which is why you can never find any nodes to harvest) or because it's too hard to get AA after you reach L70 or because everything about the game (soloing, tradeskilling, raiding) is too easy.</p><p>The hardest part about all of this to accept (because it's a sort of Jedi mind trick) is that you MUST have already quit EQ2.  Just read the forums.  It's simply not possible that anyone plays this game.  It's a proven fact that every single decision SOE makes is just one more source of aggravation to the players, so we all must have quit playing ages ago.  I know I have a distinct recollection of playing just last night, but I couldn't possibly have played a game that has so many things wrong with it.  </p><p>You've probably already quit playing too.  Quick, maybe there's time to get a refund on the software!</p></blockquote>Don't forget the part where if she made a dark elf she now must immediately delete it, no matter what level, because Neriak is ugly!

[azekah]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Well, if you try and drive the point in that the game is dying (wrong or not), saying anything about new people arriving is kind of counter productive. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Who is driving that point?

[Savara]

<cite>dartie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Miss_Jackie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, if it makes you feel better, I'm new to the game. Coming over from EQ1 myself. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> Miss Jackie, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't a new player.  If you read any of the posts on this forum, you will quickly perceive that you are simply a new quitter.</p><p>You are going to quit soon because the changes in the economy wrought by transmuting are going to terrify you.  (Never mind that you have no basis for comparison and that you believe yourself to be capable of adapting to the economy that is rather than the one that used to be.  Plenty of experienced players will assure you that the economy of EQ2 will crush your soul, and you will soon be crying "Heavens to Betsy" and falling into a dead faint each time you open the broker.  I'm sorry for your pain.)</p><p>You are going to quit soon because the fae are too bright and glittery and pose a deep threat to your sexuality.  (I'm sorry, it's a statistically supported fact that this is the case.  You may as well cancel your account now.)</p><p>You are going to quit soon because tinkering requires too much leaded loam.  (I know you think that there are more interesting things to do than tinker.  You might imagine that you are capable of becoming interested in leveling your character, racking up AA, or just experiencing quests out of curiosity.  Unfortunately, this is deeply flawed thinking.  The only thing that matters to new players is that the new tradeskills {tinkering and transmuting} take a lot of time and money, so you are going to post a bunch of messages about how much you hate them, and then you are going to quit.  Just read these forums, and you will see this is a fact.  I'm sorry you wasted your money on this game.)</p><p>You are going to quit because the devs pay too much attention to low areas and don't churn out enough raid zones.  (I know you think that since you just started, new raid zones for L70s are the last thing on your mind.  You've fallen into an age-old logical trap here.  In fact, all that any players care about, whether they know it or not, is new high-level raids.  You'll probably quit before you even reach L30 to protest this oversite on the devs' part.  I know that sounds crazy to you, but it's a fact.  Just read these forums.)</p><p>You're going to quit because SOE can't stop the plat spammers.  When you get 3 tells from plat spammers in the course of a 5-hour gaming session, it is going to make you so angry that you won't be able to sleep anymore . . . ever.  You will have to spend the rest of your life posting complaints on these forums about how the plat spammers have ruined your existence.  It's a fact.  Look it up.</p><p>You're going to quit because WoW has more subscribers than EQ2.  You're going to complain endlessly about how immature the players of WoW are, but you are then going to complain even more endlessly about how SOE fails, month after month, to bring them into EQ2.  This too is a fact.  </p><p>You're going to complain that there isn't enough realism in the game.  You are also going to complain that there aren't enough fantasy elements in the game.  You will often make both of these complaints in the same post in which you threaten to cancel your account.  This is required.  It's a fact.  </p><p>You're going to quit because Fae can glide or because Gnomes can't glide or because it takes too long to get to Greater Faydark from Freeport or because it doesn't take long enough to get from Greater Faydark to Freeport or because there aren't enough other people on your server (which is why you can't find a group) or because there are too many people on your server (which is why you can never find any nodes to harvest) or because it's too hard to get AA after you reach L70 or because everything about the game (soloing, tradeskilling, raiding) is too easy.</p><p>The hardest part about all of this to accept (because it's a sort of Jedi mind trick) is that you MUST have already quit EQ2.  Just read the forums.  It's simply not possible that anyone plays this game.  It's a proven fact that every single decision SOE makes is just one more source of aggravation to the players, so we all must have quit playing ages ago.  I know I have a distinct recollection of playing just last night, but I couldn't possibly have played a game that has so many things wrong with it.  </p><p>You've probably already quit playing too.  Quick, maybe there's time to get a refund on the software!</p></blockquote> This post is classic!

[azekah]

<cite>dartie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Miss Jackie, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't a new player.  If you read any of the posts on this forum, you will quickly perceive that you are simply a new quitter.</blockquote>As in the point of my thread, reading the forums often gives misinformation.

[Miss_Jackie]

I quit EQ1, from being bored of it, and the graphics engine was severely outdated. As for EQ2, I actually <u>ENJOY</u> tradeskilling (along with harvesting items for it). I actually <u>ENJOY</u> doing the quests and actually can't wait to start raiding (I really enjoyed it in EQ1). Trust me, I'm not quitting. As for WoW, I have never played it, because I don't have time to deal with little kiddies and their stupid games. I've heard way too much crap about how immature the players are over there (since I've never personally experienced the game, I have no hard evidence to back me up, hehe).  I don't care about how many people play the game. There are way less people who play EQ1 than EQ2 and yet I've played EQ1 for 3 years (up until last month). Any other reasons I should "quit"? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[BriarHaven]

<p>I am new to the game.  It has many features I appreciate.    I have played many MMOGs and this is the fullest one with content by far.  The Devs listen to the community as a whole and seem to have a good relationship with the community, as well as, incorperate its ideas.   I think since their last expansion the devs noted their subscriptions were up.</p>

[Payneal The Great]

<cite>dartie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Miss Jackie, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't a new player.  If you read any of the posts on this forum, you will quickly perceive that you are simply a new quitter.<p>You are going to quit soon because the changes in the economy wrought by transmuting are going to terrify you.  (Never mind that you have no basis for comparison and that you believe yourself to be capable of adapting to the economy that is rather than the one that used to be.  Plenty of experienced players will assure you that the economy of EQ2 will crush your soul, and you will soon be crying "Heavens to Betsy" and falling into a dead faint each time you open the broker.  I'm sorry for your pain.)</p><p>You are going to quit soon because the fae are too bright and glittery and pose a deep threat to your sexuality.  (I'm sorry, it's a statistically supported fact that this is the case.  You may as well cancel your account now.)</p><p>You are going to quit soon because tinkering requires too much leaded loam.  (I know you think that there are more interesting things to do than tinker.  You might imagine that you are capable of becoming interested in leveling your character, racking up AA, or just experiencing quests out of curiosity.  Unfortunately, this is deeply flawed thinking.  The only thing that matters to new players is that the new tradeskills {tinkering and transmuting} take a lot of time and money, so you are going to post a bunch of messages about how much you hate them, and then you are going to quit.  Just read these forums, and you will see this is a fact.  I'm sorry you wasted your money on this game.)</p><p>You are going to quit because the devs pay too much attention to low areas and don't churn out enough raid zones.  (I know you think that since you just started, new raid zones for L70s are the last thing on your mind.  You've fallen into an age-old logical trap here.  In fact, all that any players care about, whether they know it or not, is new high-level raids.  You'll probably quit before you even reach L30 to protest this oversite on the devs' part.  I know that sounds crazy to you, but it's a fact.  Just read these forums.)</p><p>You're going to quit because SOE can't stop the plat spammers.  When you get 3 tells from plat spammers in the course of a 5-hour gaming session, it is going to make you so angry that you won't be able to sleep anymore . . . ever.  You will have to spend the rest of your life posting complaints on these forums about how the plat spammers have ruined your existence.  It's a fact.  Look it up.</p><p>You're going to quit because WoW has more subscribers than EQ2.  You're going to complain endlessly about how immature the players of WoW are, but you are then going to complain even more endlessly about how SOE fails, month after month, to bring them into EQ2.  This too is a fact.  </p><p>You're going to complain that there isn't enough realism in the game.  You are also going to complain that there aren't enough fantasy elements in the game.  You will often make both of these complaints in the same post in which you threaten to cancel your account.  This is required.  It's a fact.  </p><p>You're going to quit because Fae can glide or because Gnomes can't glide or because it takes too long to get to Greater Faydark from Freeport or because it doesn't take long enough to get from Greater Faydark to Freeport or because there aren't enough other people on your server (which is why you can't find a group) or because there are too many people on your server (which is why you can never find any nodes to harvest) or because it's too hard to get AA after you reach L70 or because everything about the game (soloing, tradeskilling, raiding) is too easy.</p><p>The hardest part about all of this to accept (because it's a sort of Jedi mind trick) is that you MUST have already quit EQ2.  Just read the forums.  It's simply not possible that anyone plays this game.  It's a proven fact that every single decision SOE makes is just one more source of aggravation to the players, so we all must have quit playing ages ago.  I know I have a distinct recollection of playing just last night, but I couldn't possibly have played a game that has so many things wrong with it.  </p><p>You've probably already quit playing too.  Quick, maybe there's time to get a refund on the software!</p></blockquote> Aweome, truley awesome! Normal it bothers me to see people be smart [Removed for Content], but this is just funny stuff. And Miss Jackie, im sure you already noticed this guy is only kidding, welcome to the wonderful world of EQ2!

[Norrsken]

<cite>azekah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Well, if you try and drive the point in that the game is dying (wrong or not), saying anything about new people arriving is kind of counter productive. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Who is driving that point? </blockquote>Cant remeber any names, but it keeps coming up. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Every two months or so, and it gets shot down with two pages or so of posts, then vanishes for another two months.

[Kizee]

<cite>BriarHaven wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I am new to the game.  It has many features I appreciate.    I have played many MMOGs and this is the fullest one with content by far.  The Devs listen to the community as a whole and seem to have a good relationship with the community, as well as, incorperate its ideas.   I think since their last expansion the devs noted their subscriptions were up.</p></blockquote> Yes, they noted thier subscriptions were up when they merged the servers last year too. <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bozidar]

<cite>Raveller wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The rare harvests in T1 and T2 are not rare at all. Anyone can go out and in a pretty short time harvest all the rares needed to get completely decked out in Mastercrafted gear with all skills at Adept 3. Oh, and a couple of weeks ago I started an alt on the island and picked up 3 Legendary items before I left, so those aren't all that rare now either.</p><p>Kizee, take that giant stick out of your butt.</p></blockquote>uhm... "in a pretty short time" is complete and utter bullshlt <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Chefren]

<cite>dartie wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Miss_Jackie wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, if it makes you feel better, I'm new to the game. Coming over from EQ1 myself. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> Miss Jackie, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't a new player.  If you read any of the posts on this forum, you will quickly perceive that you are simply a new quitter.</p><p><snip></p><p>You've probably already quit playing too.  Quick, maybe there's time to get a refund on the software!</p></blockquote> This post needs to be stickied or otherwise put on display for ever and ever! MODS! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Zard]

<p>Supporting the OP's claim, I am a certified alt-aholic, prefer grouping over soloing and meet new <i>players</i> all the time too; they are not just alts of experienced players. <i>Most</i> of them are nice people too, are new to EQ][ and MMOG's in general but they appear to be enjoying it and want to learn more so, please, be nice, helpful and give them a chance.</p><p><soapbox></p><p>People that refuse to join pickup groups (PUG's) and group exclusively with guildmates are missing an opportunity to mentor new players and build the playerbase -- which is critical to the longevity of the game. Attrition is natural and the playerbase would eventually shrink to the point of server's being merged into nothingness unless new players are constantly joining and, ideally, staying. Those people that refuse to join PUG's should remember that they probably joined a PUG before they met their current guildmates. . .</p><p>(Raids are a different story, a pickup raid usually ends in repair bills and XP debt with nothing to show for it)</p><p></soapbox></p>

[Bloodfa]

Welcome to the game.  Are you playing PvE, or PvP, just out of curiousity?