Rash of platsellers, need mail's "Report" for tells

[Gertack_v2]

Please put the same functionality in-game mail has to "Report" on in-game tells.  If I petitioned every single one I've received the past two days I'd have been doing little else but filing petitions. The only detail I can possibly include in the petition anyway is the /tell contents itself, and I really don't care to receive a form letter "thank you we'll investigate" at all, so having it go off into the ether like mail's Report function would be perfect. Just left-click the person's name that sent you the plat tell, choose a "Report" option where it normally says Who/Toggle friends/Toggle ignore/Tell, confirm you want to report it, and go about your business.

[Gertack_v2]

Would also be nice to have "ignore by tell contents", so I could ignore any tell with their silly web site in it. I'm sure they'd start throwing in random punctuation or spaces to try to thwart it, but make it powerful enough to realize ignoring "everquest.com" matches "ever!quest.com" and we'd be good.

[Valdaglerion]

<p>What we really need is an /ignore_account which would ignore any and all toons ever created on the account belonging to the toon you just ignored. </p><p>/ignore_account should remove all tells, channel chat, group invites, raid invites and keep items from that account from showing up during broker searches. </p><p>The plat farmers would have to buy a new software and set up a new account every day to continue spamming and or selling items in game as well as out. Something tells me that would not prove profitable after a while.</p><p>Seemingly simple solution, not sure why SOE has never implemented this. Makes you wonder if they really want to get rid of EULA violation type plat selling and harrassment of their player base...Things that makes you go hmmmm.....</p>

[mellowknees72]

<cite>Gertack_v2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please put the same functionality in-game mail has to "Report" on in-game tells.  If I petitioned every single one I've received the past two days I'd have been doing little else but filing petitions. The only detail I can possibly include in the petition anyway is the /tell contents itself, and I really don't care to receive a form letter "thank you we'll investigate" at all, so having it go off into the ether like mail's Report function would be perfect. Just left-click the person's name that sent you the plat tell, choose a "Report" option where it normally says Who/Toggle friends/Toggle ignore/Tell, confirm you want to report it, and go about your business. </blockquote> I would love to see this in game.  As it is, the petition system is a big pain to use...so any more, I just use /report without submitting a petition, too, on those rare occasions when I get a plat-seller tell.

[nitrous]

<p>They already ahve this feature in game and has been for a while now.    I will ahve to find the post but there was one several months nack where it was stated that the GM's are notified right away using the report command and plat sller.   The full command syntax for the /report command is as follows.</p><p> /report [name being reported] [simple message]......for example.    /report isellplat plat seller.     I do this and follow it up with a /who all isellplat and they are gone generally 5 minutes or less.   There is always the exception but this is generally true and is faster than the /petition system.   </p><p>Yes, there have been a host of plat sellers using many different websites now compared to the GM****** one we all love to hate.   And while in the past I have been seen stating that I have received them far and few between they all seem to be targeting me now.    LOL, but that is ok, I have a toon on the islands just for them and was even able to kill a plat seller over and over and over till he was kicked.</p>

[Raveller]

Zlar@Befallen wrote: <blockquote><p>I have a toon on the islands just for them and was even able to kill a plat seller over and over and over till he was kicked.</p></blockquote>Can I become the president of your fan club?

[sayitaintso]

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What we really need is an /ignore_account which would ignore any and all toons ever created on the account belonging to the toon you just ignored. </p><p>/ignore_account should remove all tells, channel chat, group invites, raid invites and keep items from that account from showing up during broker searches. </p><p>The plat farmers would have to buy a new software and set up a new account every day to continue spamming and or selling items in game as well as out. Something tells me that would not prove profitable after a while.</p><p>Seemingly simple solution, not sure why SOE has never implemented this. Makes you wonder if they really want to get rid of EULA violation type plat selling and harrassment of their player base...Things that makes you go hmmmm.....</p></blockquote> How would that work? Those accounts are presumably banned as soon as SOE starts geting /report information about them...they have to start a new account every time one gets banned...you would have to ignore every account they opened and would still get spammed.. A basic EQ2 account is only $10....one plat sale would more than cover that..and they can spam 6 servers at one time per account

[zaun2]

There are a lot of good suggestions here, but plat sellers are similar to email spammers in a lot of respects.  Filtering by words won't work... Already the plat sellers are using zeroes for the letter O, adding random spaces, and other gibberish.  Filtering by accounts isn't an issue... its playing whack-a-mole, because even a $10 dollar's main purpose is done in less than 3-4 minutes (and for the $10, the plat seller will easily rake in thousands), and banning it after that doesn't gain much as the damage is done. This is a very tough issue for any MMO because any game mechanic changes usually have unintended consequences and are likely worse than the problem. After thinking it out, probably the best idea would be to have a threshold or two that would be lifted after the account has had a month or two paid subscription time.  For example, if someone sends more than 7 /tells to different people in a period of a minute, subsequent /tells will be delayed by 20-45 seconds, and if people use a /spam command, after say 10-25 /spam reports by different people, the server will automatically disconnect the person, block them from logging in for 15-30 minutes, and flag the account for a GM to look at. This is similar what AOL does with AIM and the Warn button (although not in the latest client).  After a few warnings, the person has a delay in sending messages for a time, and after a few after that, the person can't send messages at all for about 30 minutes or so.

[sayitaintso]

<cite>zaun2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are a lot of good suggestions here, but plat sellers are similar to email spammers in a lot of respects.  Filtering by words won't work... Already the plat sellers are using zeroes for the letter O, adding random spaces, and other gibberish.  Filtering by accounts isn't an issue... its playing whack-a-mole, because even a $10 dollar's main purpose is done in less than 3-4 minutes (and for the $10, the plat seller will easily rake in thousands), and banning it after that doesn't gain much as the damage is done. This is a very tough issue for any MMO because any game mechanic changes usually have unintended consequences and are likely worse than the problem. After thinking it out, probably the best idea would be to have a threshold or two that would be lifted after the account has had a month or two paid subscription time.  For example, if someone sends more than 7 /tells to different people in a period of a minute, subsequent /tells will be delayed by 20-45 seconds, and if people use a /spam command, after say 10-25 /spam reports by different people, the server will automatically disconnect the person, block them from logging in for 15-30 minutes, and flag the account for a GM to look at. This is similar what AOL does with AIM and the Warn button (although not in the latest client).  After a few warnings, the person has a delay in sending messages for a time, and after a few after that, the person can't send messages at all for about 30 minutes or so. </blockquote>it's not that tough of an issue, and you just stumbled onto the fix...Except SOE won't do it... You said "And for $10, the plat seller will easily rake in thousands".. Start banning the buyers...strack the coin transactions, ban teh buyers, make it known publicly...I dount too many people would be willing to chance a permanent banning if they got caught buying plat....SOE won't do it...

[Fizwin]

They could stop the plat seller tells with 5 minutes of work by letting you set a minimum level for people to send you tells (and allow all tells from guild or friends list to go through if not on /ignore).  It's pretty clear though that they want to keep the plat sellers in the game while giving the impression that they don't.  It's not that difficult to get rid of most of them and it could be done with much less effort than it takes to deal with all the complaints about them.

[Norrsken]

Dunaway@Guk wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What we really need is an /ignore_account which would ignore any and all toons ever created on the account belonging to the toon you just ignored. </p><p>/ignore_account should remove all tells, channel chat, group invites, raid invites and keep items from that account from showing up during broker searches. </p><p>The plat farmers would have to buy a new software and set up a new account every day to continue spamming and or selling items in game as well as out. Something tells me that would not prove profitable after a while.</p><p>Seemingly simple solution, not sure why SOE has never implemented this. Makes you wonder if they really want to get rid of EULA violation type plat selling and harrassment of their player base...Things that makes you go hmmmm.....</p></blockquote> How would that work? Those accounts are presumably banned as soon as SOE starts geting /report information about them...they have to start a new account every time one gets banned...you would have to ignore every account they opened and would still get spammed.. A basic EQ2 account is only $10....one plat sale would more than cover that..and they can spam 6 servers at one time per account </blockquote>12 actually. If there are 6 european servers.

[DngrMou]

Dunaway@Guk wrote: <blockquote>zaun2 wrote: it's not that tough of an issue, and you just stumbled onto the fix...Except SOE won't do it... You said "And for $10, the plat seller will easily rake in thousands".. Start banning the buyers...strack the coin transactions, ban teh buyers, make it known publicly...I dount too many people would be willing to chance a permanent banning if they got caught buying plat....SOE won't do it... </blockquote><p> That heavy handed an approach is going to be counter productive for a few reasons.  First, does anyone remember way back when SOE banned a number of accounts because of suspicious financial activities, and the ensuing nightmare of trying to straighten that particular mess out for legitimate players that had their accounts banned?  I really don't see SOE attempting that again.  It's also not intuitivelly obvious that buying plat is against any rules...sure there is some verbiage buried in the EULA somewhere, but it's couched in lawyerese, not english.  Before they start slaughtering the accounts of plat buyers, it might be a good idea to put up an obvious notice when players log on that buying plat for real cash will result in action against the offending account.  First offense, stripping all characters on that account of everything...no money, no items, no house...nothing.  Second offense...sure, ban them.</p><p>And while they're tracking all these financial dealings, I'd also like to see them track the source for all that plat, and take action against those accounts too.....there's a lot more to be gained by destroying the plat generating, and selling network of a single company, effectively shutting them down completely for some extended period of time, and eliminating all plat sales they might otherwise have completed, than it is to ban a single buyer.</p>

[DngrMou]

<cite>Fizwin wrote:</cite><blockquote>They could stop the plat seller tells with 5 minutes of work by letting you set a minimum level for people to send you tells (and allow all tells from guild or friends list to go through if not on /ignore).  It's pretty clear though that they want to keep the plat sellers in the game while giving the impression that they don't.  It's not that difficult to get rid of most of them and it could be done with much less effort than it takes to deal with all the complaints about them.</blockquote> This is something they should'nt do.  The vast majority of players under level (whatever arbitrary level is decided upon), are legitimate, EULA abiding players.  They pay the same account fees as everyone else, and have every expectation that they have access to the same game functions as everyone else does.  You're not going to stop plat spam, or plat selling by restricting legit players.

[StormCinder]

Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Fizwin wrote:</cite><blockquote>They could stop the plat seller tells with 5 minutes of work by letting you set a minimum level for people to send you tells (and allow all tells from guild or friends list to go through if not on /ignore).  It's pretty clear though that they want to keep the plat sellers in the game while giving the impression that they don't.  It's not that difficult to get rid of most of them and it could be done with much less effort than it takes to deal with all the complaints about them.</blockquote> This is something they should'nt do.  The vast majority of players under level (whatever arbitrary level is decided upon), are legitimate, EULA abiding players.  They pay the same account fees as everyone else, and have every expectation that they have access to the same game functions as everyone else does.  You're not going to stop plat spam, or plat selling by restricting legit players.</blockquote><p> I think you're misinterpreting this reasonable recommendation.  He's saying that I should be allowed to set on <i><b>my</b></i> account a lower-limit for levels from which <i><b>I</b></i> would like to <i><b>receive</b></i> /tells.  That is, I do not want to receive a /tell from anyone under level10.  I should be able to block /tells from anyone under level 10.  Or, /autoignore tells below level 10.  Seems reasonable and fairly simple.  And I'm only affecting my account, not limiting the play of others.  It has nothing to do with limiting players' ability to send /tells.  Just restricts who I receive them from (at my request).</p><p>SC</p>

[DngrMou]

<cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Fizwin wrote:</cite><blockquote>They could stop the plat seller tells with 5 minutes of work by letting you set a minimum level for people to send you tells (and allow all tells from guild or friends list to go through if not on /ignore).  It's pretty clear though that they want to keep the plat sellers in the game while giving the impression that they don't.  It's not that difficult to get rid of most of them and it could be done with much less effort than it takes to deal with all the complaints about them.</blockquote> This is something they should'nt do.  The vast majority of players under level (whatever arbitrary level is decided upon), are legitimate, EULA abiding players.  They pay the same account fees as everyone else, and have every expectation that they have access to the same game functions as everyone else does.  You're not going to stop plat spam, or plat selling by restricting legit players.</blockquote><p> I think you're misinterpreting this reasonable recommendation.  He's saying that I should be allowed to set on <i><b>my</b></i> account a lower-limit for levels from which <i><b>I</b></i> would like to <i><b>receive</b></i> /tells.  That is, I do not want to receive a /tell from anyone under level10.  I should be able to block /tells from anyone under level 10.  Or, /autoignore tells below level 10.  Seems reasonable and fairly simple.  And I'm only affecting my account, not limiting the play of others.  It has nothing to do with limiting players' ability to send /tells.  Just restricts who I receive them from (at my request).</p><p>SC</p></blockquote><p>You can already ignore people you don't want tells from.  This proposed plan to limit plat spam puts anyone under whatever level under an umbrella of suspicion, does nothing to stop plat spam, plat farmers, (for rl cash sales), or the sale of plat in game.  It leaves everyone under that completely arbitrary level victim to the same plat spam that it is designed to eliminate, and plat spammers will simply level their toons above that level, and spam away.  </p><p>This plan does in fact restrict anyone under your proposed level, (say, 10), from communicating with other players in this game.  It's unfair to those players.....they've done absolutely nothing wrong, and don't deserve such shabby treatment by SOE.  You won't ever eliminate this problem by singling out, and applying punitive restrictions on innocent players.</p>

[Valdaglerion]

Dunaway@Guk wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What we really need is an /ignore_account which would ignore any and all toons ever created on the account belonging to the toon you just ignored. </p><p>/ignore_account should remove all tells, channel chat, group invites, raid invites and keep items from that account from showing up during broker searches. </p><p>The plat farmers would have to buy a new software and set up a new account every day to continue spamming and or selling items in game as well as out. Something tells me that would not prove profitable after a while.</p><p>Seemingly simple solution, not sure why SOE has never implemented this. Makes you wonder if they really want to get rid of EULA violation type plat selling and harrassment of their player base...Things that makes you go hmmmm.....</p></blockquote> How would that work? Those accounts are presumably banned as soon as SOE starts geting /report information about them...they have to start a new account every time one gets banned...you would have to ignore every account they opened and would still get spammed.. A basic EQ2 account is only $10....one plat sale would more than cover that..and they can spam 6 servers at one time per account </blockquote><p>Well, there are a few interesting caveats to this and your words "presumably" is on target for many things. Of course the icing on the cake would be for SOE to allow the /ignore_account to cross polinate for all accounts owned by the same person/company and/or paid for with the same credit card number. This would be awesome in general so when you ignore someone in game, they dont harass you from another toon or another account they have. I hear of people all the time thinking its funny how many ignore list they are on. Wonder if they would still think it funny if there goods didnt sell any longer because all those people who had them on ingore werent seeing the goods of any of their toons..hmmm.....food for thought. Might they try to be a little more civil? Who knows...</p><p>However, with regards to plat sapmmers, I do not believe the accounts are always banned. In many instances, the scripts are so fast the spams are sent and the toon deleted. By the time it is investigated there is really no action to take, the toon name is no longer valid, more so with emails as the delay in delivery gives them more lead time. (or so I have heard, if SOE would like to chime in, would love to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak). For these situations it would work as intended by ensuring you would not get any more spam, channel chat, etc fom the same account if they somehow did not get banned.</p><p>Another way it would work is for known plat sellers primary accounts. Many of us know the plat sellers main toons in game. The ones all the goods are handed off to for either in game sale or exchange sales, the ones that camp brokers non-stop and then mule out. By using the /ingore_account you stop patronizing their wares by removing their ability to communicate with you in game and from purchasing their goods either directly or indirectly because none of their toons goods will show up when doing broker searches. </p><p>At the end of the day, if its no longer profitable they wont be in business. As long as people buy from them, either directly as a response to their tells or emails or indrectly by purchasing their in game items which get turned into plat they will continue to be profitable.</p>

[sayitaintso]

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dunaway@Guk wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What we really need is an /ignore_account which would ignore any and all toons ever created on the account belonging to the toon you just ignored. </p><p>/ignore_account should remove all tells, channel chat, group invites, raid invites and keep items from that account from showing up during broker searches. </p><p>The plat farmers would have to buy a new software and set up a new account every day to continue spamming and or selling items in game as well as out. Something tells me that would not prove profitable after a while.</p><p>Seemingly simple solution, not sure why SOE has never implemented this. Makes you wonder if they really want to get rid of EULA violation type plat selling and harrassment of their player base...Things that makes you go hmmmm.....</p></blockquote> How would that work? Those accounts are presumably banned as soon as SOE starts geting /report information about them...they have to start a new account every time one gets banned...you would have to ignore every account they opened and would still get spammed.. A basic EQ2 account is only $10....one plat sale would more than cover that..and they can spam 6 servers at one time per account </blockquote><p>Well, there are a few interesting caveats to this and your words "presumably" is on target for many things. Of course the icing on the cake would be for SOE to allow the /ignore_account to cross polinate for all accounts owned by the same person/company and/or paid for with the same credit card number. This would be awesome in general so when you ignore someone in game, they dont harass you from another toon or another account they have. I hear of people all the time thinking its funny how many ignore list they are on. Wonder if they would still think it funny if there goods didnt sell any longer because all those people who had them on ingore werent seeing the goods of any of their toons..hmmm.....food for thought. Might they try to be a little more civil? Who knows...</p><p>However, with regards to plat sapmmers, I do not believe the accounts are always banned. In many instances, the scripts are so fast the spams are sent and the toon deleted. By the time it is investigated there is really no action to take, the toon name is no longer valid, more so with emails as the delay in delivery gives them more lead time. (or so I have heard, if SOE would like to chime in, would love to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak). For these situations it would work as intended by ensuring you would not get any more spam, channel chat, etc fom the same account if they somehow did not get banned.</p><p>Another way it would work is for known plat sellers primary accounts. Many of us know the plat sellers main toons in game. The ones all the goods are handed off to for either in game sale or exchange sales, the ones that camp brokers non-stop and then mule out. By using the /ingore_account you stop patronizing their wares by removing their ability to communicate with you in game and from purchasing their goods either directly or indirectly because none of their toons goods will show up when doing broker searches. </p><p>At the end of the day, if its no longer profitable they wont be in business. As long as people buy from them, either directly as a response to their tells or emails or indrectly by purchasing their in game items which get turned into plat they will continue to be profitable.</p></blockquote>the name of your toon is directly associated with your station name and password. When you send a /report that information pops up for the GM to see. Those accounts are banned....Which is one reason I think SOE allows the plat spammers to continue...they have to buy a new account every time they use it to spam advertising...Which means SOE makes a bit of profit... And the plat spammers aren't sitting there typing those /tells by hand...they have data mining bots that find names and send those emails using that list..it probably takes them all of 2-3 minutes to spam one server...and they can spam 6 servers with one account...The cost of the account is easily paid for with just one sale...so it's just the cost of doing business..

[sayitaintso]

Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Fizwin wrote:</cite><blockquote>They could stop the plat seller tells with 5 minutes of work by letting you set a minimum level for people to send you tells (and allow all tells from guild or friends list to go through if not on /ignore).  It's pretty clear though that they want to keep the plat sellers in the game while giving the impression that they don't.  It's not that difficult to get rid of most of them and it could be done with much less effort than it takes to deal with all the complaints about them.</blockquote> This is something they should'nt do.  The vast majority of players under level (whatever arbitrary level is decided upon), are legitimate, EULA abiding players.  They pay the same account fees as everyone else, and have every expectation that they have access to the same game functions as everyone else does.  You're not going to stop plat spam, or plat selling by restricting legit players.</blockquote><p> I think you're misinterpreting this reasonable recommendation.  He's saying that I should be allowed to set on <i><b>my</b></i> account a lower-limit for levels from which <i><b>I</b></i> would like to <i><b>receive</b></i> /tells.  That is, I do not want to receive a /tell from anyone under level10.  I should be able to block /tells from anyone under level 10.  Or, /autoignore tells below level 10.  Seems reasonable and fairly simple.  And I'm only affecting my account, not limiting the play of others.  It has nothing to do with limiting players' ability to send /tells.  Just restricts who I receive them from (at my request).</p><p>SC</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0033">You can already ignore people you don't want tells from.</span>  This proposed plan to limit plat spam puts anyone under whatever level under an umbrella of suspicion, does nothing to stop plat spam, plat farmers, (for rl cash sales), or the sale of plat in game.  It leaves everyone under that completely arbitrary level victim to the same plat spam that it is designed to eliminate, and plat spammers will simply level their toons above that level, and spam away.  </p><p>This plan does in fact restrict anyone under your proposed level, (say, 10), from communicating with other players in this game.  It's unfair to those players.....they've done absolutely nothing wrong, and don't deserve such shabby treatment by SOE.  You won't ever eliminate this problem by singling out, and applying punitive restrictions on innocent players.</p></blockquote>When's the last time you recieved a plat spam tell from the same toon twice in a row? It doesn't happen..../ignore is useless against plat spammers...having the ability to /ignore_level10 would actually be a cool thing...then if someone we knew under 10 wanted to send us a tell we could just add them to a list that would allow tells through...SOE won't do it though...they make money off the plat spammers...

[liveja]

Dunaway@Guk wrote: <blockquote>When's the last time you recieved a plat spam tell from the same toon twice in a row? </blockquote><p>I  never have, but then I put them on /ignore as soon as I get a /tell from them -- which is perhaps once every 3 months or so. OTOH, I don't get all twisted into a knot over plat seller spam, but I do get twisted into a knot by people who make claims they can't prove.</p><p>If you have proof that SOE makes money from plat spammers, let's see it. Otherwise, your claim that they are is insulting, & I'd even go so far as to argue that you're attempting to damage their public credibility. I'm not interested in your inferences, or your "it's easily seen", etc.; when I say "prove it", that's what I mean.</p><p>Please don't come back & say you don't have to prove anything here. If that's your only response, then save it for someone who isn't smart enough to recognize the dodge.</p>

[sayitaintso]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dunaway@Guk wrote: <blockquote>When's the last time you recieved a plat spam tell from the same toon twice in a row? </blockquote><p>I  never have, but then I put them on /ignore as soon as I get a /tell from them -- which is perhaps once every 3 months or so. OTOH, I don't get all twisted into a knot over plat seller spam, but I do get twisted into a knot by people who make claims they can't prove.</p><p>If you have proof that SOE makes money from plat spammers, let's see it. Otherwise, your claim that they are is insulting, & I'd even go so far as to argue that you're attempting to damage their public credibility. I'm not interested in your inferences, or your "it's easily seen", etc.; when I say "prove it", that's what I mean.</p><p>Please don't come back & say you don't have to prove anything here. If that's your only response, then save it for someone who isn't smart enough to recognize the dodge.</p></blockquote> OK Mr Internet lawyer...your reputation as a SOE fan preceeds you. I know you like to take up for SOE at every chance you get...But you usually don't read and comprehend what was written.. Let try to spell this out logically for you since you tend to jerk your knee without thinking about what it is you just read.. SOE bans the accounts of people who spam plat sales... Those companies have to purchase new acounts to continue to spam plat.... SOE makes money from the sale of those acounts...the software isn't free....Supposedly they can no longer spam from trial accounts do they actually have to spend money.. Now tell me how I am damaging their public credibility by just stating obvious fact...And even if I was, what business is it of yours anyway.. A monkey could figure this out..You are smarter than a monkey....right?? Now go ahead and read my mind and tell me that isn't what I meant since you know me SO much better than I know myself...

[liveja]

Dunaway@Guk wrote: <blockquote>SOE bans the accounts of people who spam plat sales... Those companies have to purchase new acounts to continue to spam plat.... SOE makes money from the sale of those acounts</blockquote><p>If that's what you call "proof" that SOE is making money from plat sellers, then you shouldn't have wasted your time.</p><p>Asking insulting questions like "you are smarter than a monkey, right?" doesn't make you come across any better.</p><p>Please grow up, Bleap. </p>

[sayitaintso]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dunaway@Guk wrote: <blockquote>SOE bans the accounts of people who spam plat sales... Those companies have to purchase new acounts to continue to spam plat.... SOE makes money from the sale of those acounts</blockquote><p>If that's what you call "proof" that SOE is making money from plat sellers, then you shouldn't have wasted your time.</p><p>Asking insulting questions like "you are smarter than a monkey, right?" doesn't make you come across any better.</p><p>Please grow up, Bleap. </p></blockquote>Ummm first...who the heck is Bleap?? Second...I didn't say it was proof...it's called common sense...software costs money, plat sellers buy accounts from whom??? why SOE of course... You are just angry that someone bested you... You seem to just chime in every time someone points out that SOE might be doing "something" even, in this case, when it's just by coincidence... SOE can't help it that they make a bit of coin from the sale of their software..Now...just let it go....logic always wins....put the keyboard down and stop trolling for a bit..it will all do us some good...

[sayitaintso]

AHHH I see...you thought I was BLEAP...apparently someone else you have been stalking and trying to make it look as thought they  are trying to make SOE look "bad" here's some news for ya...I am not that person...But thanks for playing...

[liveja]

<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>You are just angry that someone bested you... </blockquote><p>I asked you for *proof*, not common sense. You lose.</p><p>As for whether or not you're Bleap: you write precisely like Bleap (same use of "..." after sentences, for example), you have the same attitude, & you play on the same server. If your "common sense" is good enough for you, my observation is good enough for me.</p><p>Grow up, Bleap. </p>

[sayitaintso]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>You are just angry that someone bested you... </blockquote><p>I asked you for *proof*, not common sense. You lose.</p><p>As for whether or not you're Bleap: you write precisely like Bleap (same use of "..." after sentences, for example), you have the same attitude, & you play on the same server. If your "common sense" is good enough for you, my observation is good enough for me.</p><p>Grow up, Bleap. </p></blockquote> Whatever Mr Mindreader....You bring nothing to these forums but your rude behaviour and obvious lack of social skills.. The plat advertisement issues has been discussed at nauseum on these forums and SOE has had several very good suggestions for combating them..While there is no way to prove anything (and obviously Mr Smartypants know this and uses it to instigate arguements here often) it does give the appearance that SOE turns a blind eye to it...I just ignore the spam and mail...it doesn't bother me....the thought that there are enough plat buyers (I.E. cheaters)  to keep the sellers spamming here does bother me...I don't like cheaters...especially in games that I pay for and expect that the game maker would do more to make sure that everyone was playing on a level field.... This is for You Livejazz.......................................... .................................................. ..........lots of ......................... I am glad you blamed this on someone else....I am sure you made their day...

[bleap]

UMMM nope, not me, Dunaway/sayitaintso has a lot more posts than I do... But you are correct, Livejazz and I have had "words" in the past....But I take him with a grain of salt..With that post count and his ever present persona it appears he doesn't have much of a life.. As for the topic at hand...well..the plat spam has dropped off a lot..the mail is about the same level...I can't tell if SOE has really done anything about it or the plat sellers are just tired of buying accounts every time they are banned... Either way it's good for us..I quit worrying about them...I don't buy plat, and I don't cheat...so I have no worries... ....................................Every keyboard has these ya know LJ....Not just mine....

[Yngwiem]

<p>It seemed that the past few months they had tapered off. But lately, they have been coming back with a vengeance.</p><p>I have noticed that they have been selling GOLD instead of PLAT. </p><p>I think they trigger either on guild names or levels. Not actual names. My wife, daughter, and I were grouped in Butcherblock the other night, and all of us received a /tell at the same time from the same idiot. They were anon, so I don't know what level they were or where they were. My guess would be a newly created character on one of the newbie islands. Their name was just random keystrokes starting with asdfffdss something like that. </p><p>I have sent SOE an email offering my services in poofing these people... and for free. To me to track them and harrass them is a whole different part of the game (questing, killing, artisan, platseller hunting). </p><p>Someone mentioned earlier about a "/report name plat seller". I would love to know this command.</p>

[DngrMou]

<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>When's the last time you recieved a plat spam tell from the same toon twice in a row? It doesn't happen..../ignore is useless against plat spammers...having the ability to /ignore_level10 would actually be a cool thing...then if someone we knew under 10 wanted to send us a tell we could just add them to a list that would allow tells through...SOE won't do it though...they make money off the plat spammers... </blockquote><p>Instead of foisting this trivial inconvenience on who knows how many people that have NEVER DONE YOU ANY WRONG WHATSOEVER.  Why not inconvenience yourself?  Or is that too much to ask?  You're all about fixing things, so long as someone else is forced to suffer because of it?  You want this done to them for your own good.  Gee....thanks, but no thanks.  Do this, disable tells on all your chat windows.  Create a private channel for you and your friends....you will NEVER get another plat tell again, and this solution will not diminish the game for all those people you want to place restrictions on.</p><p>A 'solution' that places limits on large numbers of INNOCENT people to enjoy the game the same way you do is not a solution, it never will be.  Get this through your head....these people have done nothing to you.  They pay the same subscription fees you do, and should be able to enjoy the game in exactly the same way.  You will not stop plat spam by restricting lower level players abilities....the spammers will simply, and very quickly, level their toons up....and continue spamming.  Worse....all those level 'X' and under players are going to be left victim to the same spam that YOU feel is so horrible.  </p>

[liveja]

Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>Create a private channel for you and your friends....you will NEVER get another plat tell again.</blockquote><p>That's entirely too much work for Bleap & her posting alts. Besides, it takes away her ability to rant at SOE, call them incompetent & lazy, imply that they're "profitting" from plat sellers, & other such goofy nonsense.</p><p>If I were her, I would have quit LONG ago ... but that would also prevent her from using SOE's forums to spew.</p><p>Grow up, Bleap.</p>

[Fizwin]

Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><p>You can already ignore people you don't want tells from.  This proposed plan to limit plat spam puts anyone under whatever level under an umbrella of suspicion, does nothing to stop plat spam, plat farmers, (for rl cash sales), or the sale of plat in game.  It leaves everyone under that completely arbitrary level victim to the same plat spam that it is designed to eliminate, and plat spammers will simply level their toons above that level, and spam away.  </p><p>This plan does in fact restrict anyone under your proposed level, (say, 10), from communicating with other players in this game.  It's unfair to those players.....they've done absolutely nothing wrong, and don't deserve such shabby treatment by SOE.  You won't ever eliminate this problem by singling out, and applying punitive restrictions on innocent players.</p></blockquote><p>/Ignore is useless for plat seller tells since they are done by temporary characters that exist for all of 3 minutes.  An optional tell blocking filter would not affect innocent players at all since the default would be receiving tells from any level unless you changed the option.  It could use the higher of adventure or crafting level so pure tradeskill characters are not affected as well.  Plat sellers are stupid, but probably not stupid enough to spam with their higher level farming characters and lose them.</p><p>If you don't care about the plat seller tells or somehow don't get them, an option for blocking tells by level would not affect you at all.  Minutes of work to implement something that would reduce a lot of reports, petitions and complaints SoE has to deal with seems like a no brainer to me.  I get as many as 20 tells a day from plat sellers and I want a way to stop it.</p>

[DngrMou]

<cite>Fizwin wrote:</cite><blockquote>  I get as many as 20 tells a day from plat sellers and I want a way to stop it. </blockquote> Go into your chat settings.  Disable private tells on all your chat tabs.  Create a new private channel.  Share this channel with your guild, and your friends.  You will NEVER get another plat tell again.

[wushupork]

<p>I personally would like the ability to <u>personally</u> filter what tells I can get without having to disable them altogether. Say you don't like an entire guild you could add them to your ignore list. It really is not a matter of forcing an umbrella rule over all people, it's personal preference. There's nothing wrong with allowing this ability, and if some random innocent lvl 5 toon is offended that they can't send me a tell then so be it. Yes ignoring plat spammers is futile, I get a few a day and it's annoying but not worth having an aneurysm about. </p><p>As far as SOE making money off these guys is concerned, it is hard to argue that yes money does come in from the sales of these accounts. The flipside is they're paying someone to actually ban these accounts. Just look at it as the plat sellers paying the GM's salary <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>And who the hell would never use private tells completely? Seriously. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[DngrMou]

<cite>wushupork wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I personally would like the ability to <u><span style="color: #ff0000">personally</span></u> filter what tells I can get without having to disable them altogether. Say you don't like an entire guild you could add them to your ignore list. It really is not a matter of <span style="color: #ff0000">forcing an umbrella </span>rule over all people, it's <span style="color: #ff0000">personal preference</span>. There's nothing wrong with allowing this ability, and if some random innocent lvl 5 toon is offended that they can't send me a tell then so be it. Yes ignoring plat spammers is futile, I get a few a day and it's annoying but not worth having an aneurysm about. </p><p>And who the hell would never use private tells completely? Seriously. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote><p> Not forced?  So care to show how those hundreds of chars you just placed on ignore chose to have that happen to them?  We love to couch these 'trivial invonveniences' in terms that are less harsh than reailty suggests they will be.  It makes us feel better about forcing unwanted restrictions on the game play of others.  And of course you won't restrict your own ability to use /tells......I've already said as much a few posts up.  It's all about restricting others, solely for your benefit.  That's what matters, right?  Who cares about those other players, or that your 'solution' leaves them victim to plat spam.  You're happy, that's what counts, right?  </p><p>Oh...and as a final aside, those little buttons that allow you to disable tells, also allow you to re-enable them.  You will not be 'forced', (as you so clearly want to force others), to do without tells entirely, for ever ever ever, and forever.  You can use them, when you wish to, (as opposed to those who you seek to restrict), and disable them again when you're finished.  Yes, I know....you'll have to actually spend several seconds clicking those little buttons, when it's so much easier to just force others to do without, entirely for your own benefit....but it's a solution that is available right this second.</p>

[KerowynnKaotic]

<cite>Gertack_v2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please put the same functionality in-game mail has to "Report" on in-game tells.  If I petitioned every single one I've received the past two days I'd have been doing little else but filing petitions. The only detail I can possibly include in the petition anyway is the /tell contents itself, and I really don't care to receive a form letter "thank you we'll investigate" at all, so having it go off into the ether like mail's Report function would be perfect. Just left-click the person's name that sent you the plat tell, choose a "Report" option where it normally says Who/Toggle friends/Toggle ignore/Tell, confirm you want to report it, and go about your business. </blockquote><p> God yes!  I've been asking for this for quite some time now.  </p><p>I don't need to be thanked for my petition for plat sellers ..  (email #1)</p><p>I don't care to be told that they are investigating .. I presumed they were doing that, anyway.  (email #2)</p><p>I don't care that they have closed my petition and that they can't discuss the outcome .. I just don't care. (email #3)</p><p>And, I really don't want to fill out a survey (that doesn't work in the first place) in regards to my petition for a plat seller !   (email #4)</p><p>I just want to be able to take 2 seconds /report platseller [name] or a right click on tell or whatever and have it file the report AND the petition without me having to spend 3 mins for the petition window and then being flooded by emails regarding my petition, of which they can't disclose any personal info, and be done with it! </p><p>gah.   </p>

[wushupork]

Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>You're happy, that's what counts, right?  </blockquote><p>Yes.</p><p>Frankly, I don't see any reason having more specific filtering is a problem at all. There is no reason I shouldn't be able to control that. And if that makes me a schmuck in your eyes then consider I'm doing the unsuspecting victims of <b>my</b> evil filter a service by not being able to talk to me. Saying that I'm leaving them exposed to take all the plat spam they can handle is irrelevant, they would have the same filter options I would have.</p>

[DngrMou]

<cite>wushupork wrote:</cite><blockquote>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>You're happy, that's what counts, right?  </blockquote><p>Yes.</p><p>Frankly, I don't see any reason having more specific filtering is a problem at all. There is no reason I shouldn't be able to control that. And if that makes me a schmuck in your eyes then consider I'm doing the unsuspecting victims of <b>my</b> evil filter a service by not being able to talk to me. Saying that I'm leaving them exposed to take all the plat spam they can handle is irrelevant, they would have the same filter options I would have.</p></blockquote><p> You're the first to admit being selfish, and self centered, anyway.  I suppose in your world, that counts for something.  </p><p>Your last sentence is the best though....allowing those same players to also restrict tells, (but from their own level range), makes this fair in your opinion?</p><p>I'm very glad that so far, SOE has chosen to ignore idiotic suggestions like this....I have no desire to see this game turned into the worlds largest single player MMO.</p><p>There are better ways of dealing with this, that do not restrict the ability of innocent players, (yeah, I know, you don't care about anyone but yourself....so you can skip this part).  Eliminate the ability to search 'blind' for chars in a zone, or on a server.  Remove that ability from EQ2players.com.  Put in a /report spam option like many have asked for.  Put up prominent notices on login that buying plat is against the EULA, and will result in actions against the account.  Set up sting operations...ferret out not just the spammer, but the ones holding plat for sale, farming it for sale, and wipe out the entire network.  Put in the ability to go completely anonymous....no searches will return your char.  There are lots of ways they can combat this, that will actually have an effect...unlike the assinine level based filter...which spammers will simply level above, to continue spamming....while leaving all those under that level with those restrictions still in place.</p>

[Sunlei]

<p> A "report" option on the tell is a good idea, that would be much faster to /report any tells. Even just "report selling site" This would help the GMs sort through reports, and ban those accounts faster. </p><p>What I do now is hit R and backspace off the 'tell' word and type in report. That way all the weird names they use have no need to retype.</p><p>I believe soe when they said they review the /reports and remove that account. Lets make it easier for the account ban stick to see those reports.</p><p>I'm not even gonna make mention about any ignore features, there is an ignore and its plenty huge.</p>

[Valsehna]

For whatever the reasons may be, just within the last 7-10 days, I've noticed an abrupt upsurge in both the spam-mails and the obnoxious tells from these creeps, after I a long peaceful period of virtually none.

[Fizwin]

Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Fizwin wrote:</cite><blockquote>  I get as many as 20 tells a day from plat sellers and I want a way to stop it. </blockquote> Go into your chat settings.  Disable private tells on all your chat tabs.  Create a new private channel.  Share this channel with your guild, and your friends.  You will NEVER get another plat tell again.</blockquote> I could also not play at all or play with the monitor turned off and not get plat seller tells but those would be equally ridiculous solutions.  Tells are private between 2 characters, channels are not.  Tells are a useful feature in the game that I will continue to use.  The solution is blocking some tells, not all of them.  The solution is letting the player choose which tells to block without affecting the players that are sending legitimate tells.

[DngrMou]

<cite>Fizwin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Fizwin wrote:</cite><blockquote>  I get as many as 20 tells a day from plat sellers and I want a way to stop it. </blockquote> Go into your chat settings.  Disable private tells on all your chat tabs.  Create a new private channel.  Share this channel with your guild, and your friends.  You will NEVER get another plat tell again.</blockquote> I could also not play at all or play with the monitor turned off and not get plat seller tells but those would be equally ridiculous solutions.  Tells are private between 2 characters, channels are not.  Tells are a useful feature in the game that I will continue to use.  The solution is blocking some tells, not all of them.  The solution is letting the player choose which tells to block without affecting the players that are sending legitimate tells.</blockquote>So incredibly useful that you have no problem restricting their use by others.  Hmm...selfish, much?  Again, as I've already pointed out, you can enable tells if you need them, can't you?  You do realize that by disabling tells, you in no way affect your ability to re-enable them whenever you wish.  You also realize you can create as many private channels as you like....restricting them to yourself, and only one other person.  It's not hard to do.

[Valdaglerion]

<blockquote><a href="mailto<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />unaway@Guk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dunaway@Guk</a> wrote: <blockquote>When's the last time you recieved a plat spam tell from the same toon twice in a row? </blockquote></blockquote><p> Actually this morning, oddly enough. I play on exchange. The plat spammer was a froglok in Queens colony and I received 3 spams from him in the same hour even though I reported him after each occurence and on 2 toons.</p>

[Silkmyst]

"For whatever the reasons may be, just within the last 7-10 days, I've noticed an abrupt upsurge in both the spam-mails and the obnoxious tells from these creeps, after I a long peaceful period of virtually none." This is the current issue imo.  I know the mods are tired of these threads, I don't blame them.  I rarely post, but this upsurge of spam is insane.  I've never had so many tells of this sort, in any game.  (True its been awhile since I've played WoW).  I feel as tho the spam is reaching critical mass and about to implode what little remains of Luclin.   

[Wyrmypops]

Sunlei wrote: <blockquote><p>What I do now is hit R and backspace off the 'tell' word and type in report. That way all the weird names they use have no need to retype.</p></blockquote><p> Me too. Though now I'll be adding "plat spam" after their name after reading earler in this thread.</p><p>One thing that's helped me is having my character names in be Welsh words. <i>Mynach</i> and <i>Dynan</i> are short enough to still get hit, but I don't recall getting a mail on <i>Gwylliaid</i>.  <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Badaxe Ba]

<p>I dislike plat sellers.  </p><p>First, you'd think vowels actually cost money.  A good idea on the R and backspace method, I will start using that!</p><p>I already have enough chat channels, thank you.  Adding more 'personal' chat channels just to receive messages from friends is a bulky, not very useful, and allaround sorry idea.</p><p>I have in the past received tells from the same plat seller before.  The addition of the right click and add to ignore list command is very handy, and not a bad idea to add one more additional /toggle to report spam function, with a confirm window to reduce or eliminate a misclick.</p><p>I say prove SOE isn't making money from plat sellers.  Accounts have to be bought, software purchased, and how on earth could they not be making money, incidental or on purpose?  SOE IS NOT a charity or free service.</p>

[liveja]

Harry@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>I say prove SOE isn't making money from plat sellers.</p></blockquote><p>You're making the charge; it's your burden of proof. </p>

[Badaxe Ba]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote>Harry@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>I say prove SOE isn't making money from plat sellers.</p></blockquote><p>You're making the charge; it's your burden of proof. </p></blockquote>Actually, I'm not making the charge, I'm refuting your charge that they aren't, you prove it.

[liveja]

Harry@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>I'm refuting your charge that they aren't, you prove it. </blockquote><p> I never made any "charge" that they aren't. I've repeatedly challenged people to provide *proof* that SOE is deliberately profitting from plat sellers. Don't get the two concepts confused.</p><p>Not one single person has yet offered anything better than circumstance, inferrence, & "common sense". Instead, people have actually claimed they can make charges & not have to prove anything at all, which IMO is childish at best.</p><p>"I say prove SOE isn't making money on plat sellers" is the same as saying, "They are making money on plat sellers, prove me wrong", which is logical hash.</p>

[Likias]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>You are just angry that someone bested you... </blockquote><p>I asked you for *proof*, not common sense. You lose.</p><p>As for whether or not you're Bleap: you write precisely like Bleap (same use of "..." after sentences, for example), you have the same attitude, & you play on the same server. If your "common sense" is good enough for you, my observation is good enough for me.</p><p>Grow up, Bleap. </p></blockquote><p> I'm not in this argument, but I use the "..." all the time and I assure you I am not that person either...lol.  </p><p>Anyway, I dont really care if SOE makes money off it.  Make as much as they want as long as they take into consideration that I pay for 2 accounts and dont want to be harrassed everytime I play.  Gimme a toggle or command that actually works...atleast until they find a way around that too...and I'll be on my way.  I dont know how much trouble that would cause if they do that, but station passes are not cheap either and I think I deserve to NOT have to deal with spammers every time I play and/or switch toons.</p>

[Timaarit]

How about if SOE would just give an option for all players to /ignore anyone using the 7-day free trial. And then allows exeptions to the list in case a friend uses it.

[Badaxe Ba]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote>Harry@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>I'm refuting your charge that they aren't, you prove it. </blockquote><p> I never made any "charge" that they aren't. I've repeatedly challenged people to provide *proof* that SOE is deliberately profitting from plat sellers. Don't get the two concepts confused.</p><p>Not one single person has yet offered anything better than circumstance, inferrence, & "common sense". Instead, people have actually claimed they can make charges & not have to prove anything at all, which IMO is childish at best.</p><p>"I say prove SOE isn't making money on plat sellers" is the same as saying, "They are making money on plat sellers, prove me wrong", which is logical hash.</p></blockquote><p>First off, I never said they were deliberately making money off plat sellers, so don't twist my words to support your argument.</p><p>Fact, each account, whether a non plat seller or a plat seller, has to 'buy' their access.  This = money to SOE.</p><p>Fact, each plat seller account banned = a new account purchased by said plat seller, if he/she wishes to remain a plat seller.  This = money to SOE.</p><p>Fact, the more accounts banned properly for plat selling= more account sales to SOE for these plat sellers to remain in business.</p><p>INTENTIONAL or NOT, (repeating my earlier statement), this increases account sales which = more money for SOE.  This is a more profitable method for SOE, whether they deliberately chose this route or not.</p><p>I think the true solution would be to go after the plat buyers, as these are the ones who provide the income that makes plat selling a lucrative business.  No buyers means no sellers market.  No market for sellers would mean no income to be made.  This would be a less profitable method for SOE.</p><p>From a purely analytical business viewpoint, the first method is a no-brainer, as more profit is > less profit.</p><p>Once again, I will state my approval of an additional rightclick on name with a confirm window to make the report method just a tad bit easier.  I can see no harm nor additional hours of coding to implement this simple solution. </p>

[Planetside]

Why not an option like my chat options.  If I dont want to see the 10-19 level chat, I have the option to turn it off.  If I dont want to receive tells from 4,000 level 1 guys named okuxximu I should be able to turn off /tells from level 1-9, 10-19, ect.

[Silkmyst]

"When's the last time you recieved a plat spam tell from the same toon twice in a row? It doesn't happen..../ignore is useless against plat spammers...having the ability to /ignore_level10 would actually be a cool thing...then if someone we knew under 10 wanted to send us a tell we could just add them to a list that would allow tells through...SOE won't do it though...they make money off the plat spammers..." Last night.  Two in a row from the same guy.  I'm about ready to tear my hair out.  Plat/gold whatever you want to call the spammers..... they seem to own the game now.  Again, its like forced unwanted advertising.  Maybe they should be paying our subscriptions if we have to listen to their adds every hour, every half hour.  I got so frustrated after this for the last two weeks, I actually started spamming back at them and not in a nice way. Silk

[hoppopo]

<p>the plat selling tells don;t annoy me much. Sonenights I get tons others I don't. I just wander how long it is until we start getting tells for say a popular high caffine soda or a discount code for pizza.</p>

[Dasein]

<p> "I just wander how long it is until we start getting tells for say a popular high caffine soda or a discount code for pizza."</p> That's a pretty good idea. MMOs are a huge, untapped advertising marketplace, and with the production costs rising, selling adveritsing rights could be a viable, even needed step to help offset costs. Then, you sell a premium, add-free account for a bit more.

[Yngwiem]

<cite>Dasein wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>"I just wander how long it is until we start getting tells for say a popular high caffine soda or a discount code for pizza."</p> That's a pretty good idea. MMOs are a huge, untapped advertising marketplace, and with the production costs rising, selling adveritsing rights could be a viable, even needed step to help offset costs. Then, you sell a premium, add-free account for a bit more. </blockquote><p> If they did this, I would cancel all 3 accounts in my house. </p><p>Now, if they want to offer free play with ads, fine. But if I'm paying $15 a month per account, then it better be ad free!</p>

[Xaltuton]

It's coming... Valve is going to start using ads in their game Counter Strike. They will have paid advertisments on Billboards ect.. Thankfully real world ads in a fantasy game would be extremely tacky.

[Dyse]

<p> What about once enough /reports are done to a name,  Ban the IP address?  Keep banning until that region is done.  Most IP's are Static anymore.  If they go to a friends house to spam from there, ban that one too.</p><p>  Or Denial of Service attack the websites... (I say ... That's a Joke son!- Foghorn) </p>

[pedigr]

i want the ability to ignore EVERYTHING from all toons under 20.

[Bayne]

<cite>pedigree wrote:</cite><blockquote>i want the ability to ignore EVERYTHING from all toons under 20.</blockquote> I like the idea to be able to ignore level ranges of tells, I wish this could be implemented. Not only will it stop those annoying tell spams, but on my low level alts, I can turn off the  60-70 level people begging to mentor down for a quest turn in.

[McDohl]

<cite>pedigree wrote:</cite><blockquote>i want the ability to ignore EVERYTHING from all toons under 20.</blockquote>Best way to do it, IMO. Give us the option to set a range of levels to block tells from, IE, so we can choose 1-10, 1-15, or whatever level range we want.. And give us the option of allowing<i> friendlisted</i> people at those levels to still send tells to us. That'll ensure that the plat spam tellers will need to either level up solely to send us tells (which of course with the variable range we should set, they'll have no way of telling how big we set our ranges), or simply stop sending tells to the people.

[liveja]

Harry@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>First off, I never said they were deliberately making money off plat sellers</p></blockquote><p>I didn't use the word "deliberate", did I? I will say though that if SOE is "making money" from plat sellers via the way you describe, then so is Blizzard, by the same logic -- & one would think more so, since there appears to be far more plat spam in WoW than there is in EQ2. Personally, I think the method you describe is pretty innocuous, & not worthy of accusations.</p><p>I do like your suggestion about making it easier to report & ignore people, & apparently Blizzard likes it, too. They're making upcoming changes such that you can click on a person's name & auto-report it; doing so auto-ignores not just that character, but all characters on the account, & lasts until you log out & back in. I have to admit that it's an attractive feature, even to someone like me who gets virtually no spam tells.</p>

[Embret]

<p>I'm gonna chime in here on the side of SOE is making money off of plat sellers.  I don't need proof as has been requested, it simply is what it is.  </p><p>EQ2 software can only be used twice for starting accounts to the best of my knowledge.  (Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I just ran into this issue the other day starting a third account with the same software.  I had to purchase another license from SOE for ~$30.)  You also must use a credit card to start the account and can run into issues if using the same credit card for multiple accounts sometimes requiring CS assistance to get the card accepted.  Although this isn't proof positive it would appear to any reasonable person that SOE is making some profit from all of this.  (Or at least getting income if not a PROFIT.)  By the mere fact that multiple accounts CAN require CS assistance I would infer that they should be aware of the larger account holders.  I would also go so far as saying that SOE likely isn't profitting on purpose from this, but they surely aren't stupid.  They would not have made it this far if they were that stupid.</p><p> Reasonable people would suspect that there is profit to be made from all this account activity.  This isn't evil, it's not SOE bashing, it's just a fact.</p><p>As to blocking certain account levels:</p><p>I have the right to block anyone I wish, at any time, for any reason.  It's my choice.  If I choose to block everyone under a certain level from sending me personal tells I should have that right.  In no way does this affect the person I have blocked as they don't have any NORMAL way of knowing I've done such a thing.  (If they know my name they can attempt to send a tell and it'll simply appear as if I'm not online to them.)  This is no way hampers their game play or punishes them needlessly.</p><p>However, I won't summarily block the lower levels as I'm a guild leader and when guild members create new characters they will send me a tell from the newbie islands requesting an invitation to the guild.  Therefore I won't personally do this but I wouldn't tell someone else that they can't block whomever they wish.</p><p>I think the /report & /petition system is clunky and awkward at best and /report <goofy-name> should be sufficient to get the job done.  I'm not taking my game time to /petition and then deal with all the email traffic that means nothing to me after that point.  Besides, for some reason I can't log into that portion of the game as the password doesn't seem to work for that one area of the game...therefore the entire system is useless to me.  (I dislike it greatly anyway.)</p><p>Bottom line, I pay for this game and have the right to enjoy it in any way I see fit as long as I don't impede others ability to enjoy the game.  (As long as I play within the EULA.)</p><p>Can't we all just get along?</p>

[InsertNeko]

What confuses me is that all the plat /tells I've gotten in the last few weks are all from the noob isle, not from fae which is where everyone was afraid they'd come from. Why did that 6 month fix for the noob isle stop working? Oh, and sign me up for a "ignore any account under X number of hours played" please <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Yngwiem]

Hisenflaye@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>What confuses me is that all the plat /tells I've gotten in the last few weks are all from the noob isle, not from fae which is where everyone was afraid they'd come from. Why did that 6 month fix for the noob isle stop working? Oh, and sign me up for a "ignore any account under X number of hours played" please <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p> Good point... I thought sending tells from newbie islands were prohibitted. Oh well.. not like it matters. They just create a character, login, turn around, ring the bell, and they are on the main land sending tells.</p>

[USAFJeeper]

<p>Put me down for the ability to filter tells by level.  Frankly I dont care to hear from plat sellers or level 6 rangers in Q Harbor asking me for a plat do they can buy their CAs.  Easy solution, do eet!</p>

[pedigr]

<cite>Embret wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm gonna chime in here on the side of SOE is making money off of plat sellers.  I don't need proof as has been requested, it simply is what it is.  </p><p>EQ2 software can only be used twice for starting accounts to the best of my knowledge.  (Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I just ran into this issue the other day starting a third account with the same software.  I had to purchase another license from SOE for ~$30.)  </p></blockquote> $30 in the USA perhaps but its a fraction of that when you buy it in the far east.