naggy and vox imprisonment

[Sinful One]

i need to ask .... HOW did they imprison vox and naggy in Permafrost and Sols Eye? Vox might be able to squeeeze into Permafrost but Naggy gettting into Sos eye? in EQ1, the corridors were TINY! i just dont see how they done it hehe, any insight into this? as i doubt they could have built around Vox and Naggy as that would be very hard to do hehe

[Controlor]

According to EQ1 it was veeshan who sent them there because she feared them reproducing... As they were mates. Veeshan had decreed no dragon of different elemental powers were to mate. Some believe this is where karafym came from. However there are those (like me) who see that vox and naggy were seperated BEFOR they had a chance to mate. And the reason veeshan decread that so that something like karafym wouldnt exist cause it scared her to no end. And how they got inprisioned well...... Veeshan is a god she can do what she wants. Same way that the desert of sol ro came about. Solzek ro decided he didnt like tunare and torched the place. Accept that a god did it and move on hehe.

[Cusashorn]

<p>For starters, it's never been revealed how they forced the two to stay imprisoned inside those areas.</p><p>However. Dont assume that the zone layout of an area was exactly that. Solusek's Eye is a HUGE network of underground caverns in Lavastorm. What we see is only a fraction of the whole.</p>

[DrkVsr]

<span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #993300">The force-field that punted out PCs over 52(?) in EQ could also have kept Naggy imprisoned</span></span>

[Ama]

<p>Actually I thought it was the ring of scale or claws of veeshan *forget which 1* that heard about their plan.  Their plan was to get together and eventually mate.  This was forbidden within the draconic code and they were sent to their respective prisons.  </p><p>The only thing that is for certain is Lord Nagafen wants to ressurect his beloved Lady Vox.  As to what is keeping them there I really have to say I don't think anything is keeping them there.  Lady Vox is dead and since we failed to ressurect her she is staying that way until Lord Nagafen cooks up another scheme.  </p><p>Lord Nagafen was injured by the drakota attacks and his injuries may keep him there, but I highly doubt it.  Strangest thing is even though Lord Nagafen is a scheming dragon of the ut most kind he respects the draconic code.  That or he leads us to believe he respects the draconic code.  </p><p>First instance is with Darathar and he says he cannot fight Darathar because it is forbidden.  Another instance is in KoS where he says he cannot enter Deathtoll because it is forbidden.  </p>

[Cusashorn]

The OP asked *HOW* they got trapped there, not why.

[Ama]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The OP asked *HOW* they got trapped there, not why.</blockquote> Gotta go into why a bit in my discussion so I don't sound like a rambling nut job. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Daarom]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The OP asked *HOW* they got trapped there, not why.</blockquote> Enter sol eye Right after the dreadnever expedition there are some gnome ghosts go to the big metal thing in the middle stare down the HUGE hole Jump enjoy the fall

[Cusashorn]

Nadjira@Valor wrote: <blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The OP asked *HOW* they got trapped there, not why.</blockquote> Enter sol eye Right after the dreadnever expedition there are some gnome ghosts go to the big metal thing in the middle stare down the HUGE hole Jump enjoy the fall </blockquote> .... That hole wasn't there until aeons after Naggy was put down there.

[Vyrance]

the elder dragons probably transformed the area somehow after placing the two dragons in their respective prisons, i think.  but dont think it was ever really explained how they got imprisoned down there.

[Eriol]

<cite>Vyrance wrote:</cite><blockquote>the elder dragons probably transformed the area somehow after placing the two dragons in their respective prisons, i think.  but dont think it was ever really explained how they got imprisoned down there. </blockquote> Is that a variant on the "a wizard did it" explanations for continuity problems? If so, well done.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Vyrance]

<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rad]

...In EQLive, there's a hole in the ceiling of Nagafen's lair.  Would be a crappy explanation...but...there is in fact a hole <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[IrishWonder]

Ever licked one of the walls in Solusek's Eye? Tastes like butter...

[Cusashorn]

O_o

[Vekkiz]

*rolls about lauging* Next someone will be asking what it taste like in Crushbone

[Wrapye]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Strangest thing is even though Lord Nagafen is a scheming dragon of the ut most kind he respects the draconic code.  <b>That or he leads us to believe he respects the draconic code</b>.  </p><p>First instance is with Darathar and he says he cannot fight Darathar because it is forbidden.  Another instance is in KoS where he says he cannot enter Deathtoll because it is forbidden.  </p></blockquote>Key words there.  Nagafen has proven time and again that he manipulates those around him to his own end.  He has little to no reason to be truthful with anyone if he does not have to be.  Fight Darathar?  Enter Deathtoll?  Why risk his own skin when he can get others to do it for him, at the price of some cast off scales or shards he had laying around?

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Wrapye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Strangest thing is even though Lord Nagafen is a scheming dragon of the ut most kind he respects the draconic code.  <b>That or he leads us to believe he respects the draconic code</b>.  </p><p>First instance is with Darathar and he says he cannot fight Darathar because it is forbidden.  Another instance is in KoS where he says he cannot enter Deathtoll because it is forbidden.  </p></blockquote>Key words there.  Nagafen has proven time and again that he manipulates those around him to his own end.  He has little to no reason to be truthful with anyone if he does not have to be.  Fight Darathar?  Enter Deathtoll?  Why risk his own skin when he can get others to do it for him, at the price of some cast off scales or shards he had laying around? </blockquote> No, He really does respect his own racial laws. Dragons have ALWAYS manipulated the lesser races to do thier bidding. Nagafen is no exception. The dragons in Skyshrine, Western Wastes, and Temple of Veeshan in EQlive would have you go do thier quests for you.

[Vollux]

<p>This thread reminded me of a few stories I had read somewhere that Nagafen grew larger after he was imprisioned.  </p><p>I thought it was a fanfic piece at first but when I went back to see if I could find it again it turned out to be actual lore from Everquest Atlas: Maps of Mryst.  While digging around for that I found this from the Everquest Roleplaying game.</p><p>Per EverQuest Roleplaying game:</p><hr /><p> <i> "Without a doubt, the last inhabitant to arrive has proved the most influential.  Only the Krombral (fire giants) remember the coming of Lord Nagafen with any clarity; other races have mythologized the event into obscurity.  According to the giants' lore, five great dragons, each of a different color, soared over the Lavastorm Mountains while surrounding a sixth dragon, a great red wyrm. who, despite being a prisoner of his own kind, flew with head held high and straight in pride.  The five guardians forced their charge down into the caldera and circled high above until the latter vanished into a deep cave.  Lord Nagafen thus made his way into a colossal chamber deep within Solusek's Eye, which was then warded magically by his guardians to become his prison for all eternity."</i></p><p> it goes on to talk about how Nagafen, wily as ever, forms pacts with the Fire Giants, Goblins and Kobold tribes.  One interesting tidbit that I didn't remember regarded the troop of gnomes that resided in Solusek's Eye. </p><p><i>"Nagafen, strangely, let it be known that the gnomes might be harassed and harmed, but not completely eradicated." </i></p><p>And,<i> "In truth, Lord Nagafen has been visited with a vision regarding the gnomes that he cannot yet entirely decipher.  For now, he believes that, strange as it seems, the gnomes may actually have some part to play in his future, thought Nagafen can hardly believe what his vision seems to imply:  that the gnomes shall have a hand in his escape from imprisionment."</i></p><hr /><p>per EverQuest Atlas: The Maps of Myrist (page 293): </p><hr /><p><i>"Cast out of the Ring of Scale for reasons that still remain unclear, the red dragon Lord Nagafen has resided for centuries in the fiery depths beneath the LavaStorm Mountains. As Chronicled within the annals of the devout followers of Erollisi Marr known as The Maidens of the Rose, Nagafen, true to his dragon nature exacted a toll in maidens from the people of Qeynos, forcing them to transport one maiden a year across the continent and leave her in his cavern dwelling. This went on for many years, until a pious and beautiful maiden named Erollette - a novice in the temple of Erollisi Marr, the Goddess of Love - was selected. When Erollette sank to the ground before Nagafen, she uttered a final prayer to her goddess, asking only that her sacrifice be the last the maidens of Qeynos must endure. Her bravery and selflessness touched the goddess, who took pity on her. As Nagafen prepared to dine, Erollisi used a golden thread to sew Nagafen's heart to his stomach, twisting his pangs of hunger into pangs of love for Erollette. Under the enchantment, he could not bear to eat her, or anything else - he was lovelorn after all. So he grew hungrier, but the more he starved the more his heart swelled in his chest and the bigger his body became, until he was so huge he could not leave the confines of his cave. He begged her to stay with him, but seeing the dragon was helpless, Erollette rejoiced and returned home to report the good news and dedicate her life to worship."</i></p><hr /><p>The second bit of lore still seems more like one of those odd 'Point of View' stories that pop up in the history just to throw us off, but it is a romantic bit of fluff.  Whether it is true to the history of Nagafen or not, it does reveal that the Goddess Erollisi at least has no problem with meddling in the affairs of Dragons.</p>

[Kryussius]

Not really on topic, but I'm not so sure that Nagafen respects draconic laws and customs so much as fears them. After all, the laws and customs of his people landed a gigantic hammer on his head in the form of his current imprisonment.  He's already seen first hand what happens when you buck the throne. Re:  The story about the lovelorn Lord Nagafen, that seems more like propaganda from Erollisi worshippers.  The first, however, sounds more like what likely happened, including the fact of the gnomes being allowed to live.  The various races within Solusek's Eye were all kept in check by Nagafen for his own purposes.

[Wilde_Night]

According to in game lore, Nagafen and Vox did indeed have a successful mating before being discovered and seperated.  Nagafen tried to attempt to free Vox when she was imprisoned first, but only succeeded in obtaining the eggs she had produced before she was killed by the drakota.  If you do the Prismatic Weapon quest, you have to help Nagafen retrieve an egg that was stolen by a fellow dragon.  You fail and only bring back a shattered egg, to which he shrugs and replies he has more and it being in the wrong hands is no longer an issue and gives you a weapon made from the shard.

[IrishWonder]

Aeviel@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>According to in game lore, Nagafen and Vox did indeed have a successful mating before being discovered and seperated.  Nagafen tried to attempt to free Vox when she was imprisoned first, but only succeeded in obtaining the eggs she had produced before she was killed by the drakota.  If you do the Prismatic Weapon quest, you have to help Nagafen retrieve an egg that was stolen by a fellow dragon.  You fail and only bring back a shattered egg, to which he shrugs and replies he has more and it being in the wrong hands is no longer an issue and gives you a weapon made from the shard.</blockquote><p> From what in-game lore would suggest, Nagafen and Vox did not have a successful mating before they were imprisoned. Their mating came after they were freed from their prisons during the Age of Cataclysms (it is hinted that either the Rending or the Shattering broke their prisons and allowed them to escape.)</p><p>As for how Nagafen and Vox were imprisoned, it seems very likely that a magical warding would have been used to keep them in place. We've seen the dragons use magical wards before to keep their own kind imprisoned. Sleeper, anyone?</p>

[Fiflif]

<p>I figured they were originaly imprisoned just in the mountains in their native elemental region. Then their minions(goblins/giants) created the lairs out of the prisons based on the tastes of their masters by order of their masters to make life more comfortable and give them a sense of power, even if over a small domain.  Yay long sentance of doom. </p>

[AbsentmindedMage]

In a word, MAGIC. Really, nothing should seem unbelievable.   Teleportation or shapeshifting could be explanations for how they were imprisoned in such tight areas.

[OakravenDesade]

<cite>Vollux wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b><strike><SNIPAGE></strike></b>The second bit of lore still seems more like one of those odd 'Point of View' stories that pop up in the history just to throw us off, but it is a romantic bit of fluff.  Whether it is true to the history of Nagafen or not, it does reveal that the Goddess Erollisi at least has no problem with meddling in the affairs of Dragons.</p></blockquote>Well as a Goddess she probably already knows she does not tast good with Ketchup