What was patched this morning?

[Maroger]

<p>I know after the downtime, there was a download, but no patch notes were available and none have been posted. Could we please know what was patched this morning?</p><p>And more importantly why can't we get the CURRENT patch notes with the download by clicking  updates notes? </p>

[Leemeg]

They do take down the server sometimes to just have maintaince on them. Not necessary patching. Today it was probably due to the merging of the EU PvP server with Venekor Server.

[Maroger]

Creub@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>They do take down the server sometimes to just have maintaince on them. Not necessary patching. Today it was probably due to the merging of the EU PvP server with Venekor Server. </blockquote>You missed the point - new code came down including a new .EXE. I don't like it when we are not told what was patched.

[Rattfa]

Who cares what it is? It's probably a sniffer to root out your [Removed for Content] collection. Emails are being set to your parents as I type this. [Removed for Content]!

[Maroger]

Rattface@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Who cares what it is? It's probably a sniffer to root out your [Removed for Content] collection. Emails are being set to your parents as I type this. [Removed for Content]! </blockquote><p> If you don't know say so -- I still want to know what was patched. And MORE IMPORTANT why don't we get patch notes.</p><p>This lack of patch notes is becoming all too frequent.  They seem to think they can slip minor changes  by and no one will notice it. </p><p>The post for the downtime said it was for an UPDATE -- I want to know what was updated. I don't find that unreasonable. If you tell me the servers are coming down for an update then please tell me what was updated.</p>

[CoLD MeTaL]

They don't want to admit what they are nerfing.

[Rattfa]

To be frank, they dont need to post anything with regards to update notes. The game content is subject to change, and that's what we agree to when we play. They just like to keep us informed of major changes, BUT as I believe Blackguard stated back in the day, then never include every change per patch, because the notes would be pages and pages long. They have more than enough on their plate right now with the merge and transfers (the update was probably because of that tbh) that they dont have time to put up patch notes for a single file. Oh coming to think of it, it was probably a major nerf to whatever class you play, they just didnt put up notes because they didnt want YOU to know about it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[CoLD MeTaL]

<p>Maybe they changed the clouds back to where you can't use them while under attack, that was such a nice ninja change.  I wish I could send that dev a box of oreos.</p><p>Being able to leave halls of fate island while the droag is beating on me was awesome, since i still had 45 minutes on my freakin glock out for raids and couldn't go. blah</p>

[interstellarmatter]

Why don't you get some coffee and calm down?  Sometime the notes get posted late because Kristie is on Pacific time.  She's probably just getting to the office and will put something up soon.

[CoLD MeTaL]

<p>Well someone is awake somewhere to take the servers down and patch them.</p><p> It isn't like those notes couldn't have been prepped yesterday when the patches were built, and posted when the servers go down.</p><p>It used to be that way, some times they get posted after her dinner, not her coffee.</p>

[interstellarmatter]

CoLD MeTaL wrote: <blockquote><p>Well someone is awake somewhere to take the servers down and patch them.</p><p> It isn't like those notes couldn't have been prepped yesterday when the patches were built, and posted when the servers go down.</p><p>It used to be that way, some times they get posted after her dinner, not her coffee.</p></blockquote> Yea, but what's the difference in knowing the changes 5 mins after the patch or 2 hours?  It's not like you can change anything.  Unless this was like a LU 13 patch, there isn't going to be anything mind boggling.

[CoLD MeTaL]

<p>I could live with that.</p><p>Except lately, they never show up.</p><p>And like today.</p><p><a href="http://patch.everquest2.com:7010/patch/eq2/motd/en/updates_live.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://patch.everquest2.com:7010/pa...dates_live.html</a></p><p>I wonder how many PvP players, that don't come to these totally broken un searchable forum boards, have no earthly idea why all PvP servers are still down today.</p><p>It is also 'interesting' that we have a ninja-update when the PvP are being changed, hmmmm.</p>

[Targ]

<p>I find the lack of patch notes very frustrating, unprofessional behavior that is just down right Rude.</p><p>Many of us are waiting for fixes for several quests. There was a patch today should we go retry these broken quests or will that be a waste of time. If there had been a patch note we might have a clue.  But no SOE's time is so much more valuable then ours that TIMELY patchs notes are not high priority.  One minute to post and say there is nothing of interest is not too much to ask.</p><p>This BS about notes being to long if everything where included is just that BS. We have search functions we can find what we are interested in if it where available. Feeding us this line is insulting, we are not that dumb.</p>

[Evii]

Good Lord you are insufferable.  I would advise laying off the coffee.  Or maybe laying off the Lucky Charms would be more appropriate.   Ya might be taking this stuff  little too seriously.  Unprofessional because they don't let you know every single change made to the game immediately?  Please.  Maybe you could send your scheduled playtimes to the devs and then they will be sure to email you regarding every specific change in the game as it is implemented.  Is your email still <a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">[email protected]</a>?   

[mellowknees72]

Many times if there are no patch notes, there was no PATCH, just server fixes, etc. If you search the forums you'll see a note from Grimwell from some time within the last 2 weeks, IIRC, on this exact same topic, explaining why sometimes we don't get patch notes and indicating that they're working on getting them to us for every little thing since the community has been asking for it.

[CoLD MeTaL]

If only we could search the forums <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[CoLD MeTaL]

<p>Are all servers down as the page states?</p><p>http://patch.everquest2.com:7010/patch/eq2/motd/en/updates_live.html</p>

[Maroger]

CoLD MeTaL wrote: <blockquote><p>Are all servers down as the page states?</p><p>http://patch.everquest2.com:7010/patch/eq2/motd/en/updates_live.html</p></blockquote>Doubtful - that info is usually wrong. Just try and log in and don't believe that. It seems no one is "tasked" to keep that info correct.<img src="/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Drexler]

Geez, get over it.  The "patch" as you call it took all of 10 seconds, i seriously doubt something of that huge calibre is worth mentioning.

[Targ]

<p>Hey if you like being treated like a shroon fine, me I don't.  </p><p>Did they patch change something big I doubt it, but it might of fixed one of the quests I am waiting on. But we don't know what it changed because they don't tell us. And if the patch changed nothing they could have told use that too. It is not today that buges me its is all the patches that happened with out notes. Too often things have changed with no patch notes at all. </p><p>The process they use to generate patch notes is to hacked together something when they get around to it. Certainly it is not a repeatalbe quality procedure. </p><p>I like a lot of the stuff SOE has done with this game. But the patch note process sux. SOE please fix it.</p>

[Laiina]

<cite>Targ wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I find the lack of patch notes very frustrating, unprofessional behavior that is just down right Rude.</p></blockquote><p>You really need to get some Valium or something. Quite often you get a new .exe file simply because they changed the logo thingy on the login screen.</p><p> I really don't see that as a serious issue. </p>

[Laiina]

CoLD MeTaL wrote: <blockquote>If only we could search the forums <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> Why can't you search the forums? I see a search button.

[Themaginator]

/palm face

[Mirander_1]

*shrugs* They don't put up patch notes for the small, entirely behind-the-scenes changes; never have, never will.  Heck, even when patch notes are posted, they probably only document a fraction of the changes that actually go live.  No MMO is going to announce every single minor little change they patch into a game.  Learn to live with it.

[powerspike]

<cite>Laiina wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Targ wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I find the lack of patch notes very frustrating, unprofessional behavior that is just down right Rude.</p></blockquote><p>You really need to get some Valium or something. Quite often you get a new .exe file simply because they changed the logo thingy on the login screen.</p><p> I really don't see that as a serious issue. </p></blockquote> I Think some people are missing one the points about patch notes, they are to keep you updated, if your waiting for a broken quest to be updated, and there is a patch, was it updated or not, even if they are server maintenance, or internal patches (that require a new exec) they should just say that - so that people waiting on things know what they are waiting on - has or hasn't been done. It's just common <span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"">curtsy.</span>

[Themaginator]

Seriously theres some things that they patch that most players probably wouldnt understand anyway, its just behind the scenes stuff...when you see that .exe file being edited it has NOTHING to do with quests or classes or anything in the game, its usually some small thing inside thats some technical mumbo jumbo that most wouldnt see any reason to post anyway. They didnt nerf your [I cannot control my vocabulary] class relax, take off your little tin foil hats.

[Norrsken]

They may have done something rather techniocal, such as streamlined a query to the databese about some arcane thing having to do with scripting. The thingt hey would post in the update notes would probably be "Did a bit of tweaking" And, well, people tend to be equally annoyed at those things. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Beldin_]

<p>------------------------------------------- imagenary patchnotes :</p><p>- fixed a bug in the rendering engine, where a pointer could get NIL when using ATI-Cards with Catalyst 6.2 drivers - optimized some SQL-Statements ------------------------------------------</p><p>Does someone really think you would read stuff like this everytime some dev optimizes some code ?</p>

[Norrsken]

Shalla@Valor wrote: <blockquote><p>------------------------------------------- imagenary patchnotes :</p><p>- fixed a bug in the rendering engine, where a pointer could get NIL when using ATI-Cards with Catalyst 6.2 drivers - optimized some SQL-Statements ------------------------------------------</p><p>Does someone really think you would read stuff like this everytime some dev optimizes some code ?</p></blockquote>I would... But I tend to hang on gamedev.com and places like that as well. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And, Im kindof hopingt hey are using stored procedures or similar instead of hardcoded SQL statements. Hehe.

[Armawk]

<p>On top of other comments, you need to remember that patches involving security, account issues and exploit/bug patching will never be reported, as this information is either sensitive or potentially dangerous.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>On top of other comments, you need to remember that patches involving security, account issues and exploit/bug patching will never be reported, as this information is either sensitive or potentially dangerous.</p></blockquote>Otoh, security through obscurity is a design flaw. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Maroger]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>On top of other comments, you need to remember that patches involving security, account issues and exploit/bug patching will never be reported, as this information is either sensitive or potentially dangerous.</p></blockquote><p>Well I can remember patch notes that said: Fixed an Exploit -- </p><p>Would still like to know.  </p>

[Freddy101]

Yes. I can see how a pach note saying "No actual game changes all files were server only fixes" would be incredibly hard to coordinate and do. I love reading the excuse box squeezed to death in these forums. Nonstop entertainment.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Freddy101 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes. I can see how a pach note saying "No actual game changes all files were server only fixes" would be incredibly hard to coordinate and do. I love reading the excuse box squeezed to death in these forums. Nonstop entertainment.</blockquote>But saying that is saying nothing at all with more words. PEople wopuld still get their panties in a twist over not knowing what has been changed, not caring fi they would actually understand what has been changed. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[tsites]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Freddy101 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes. I can see how a pach note saying "No actual game changes all files were server only fixes" would be incredibly hard to coordinate and do. I love reading the excuse box squeezed to death in these forums. Nonstop entertainment.</blockquote>But saying that is saying nothing at all with more words. PEople wopuld still get their panties in a twist over not knowing what has been changed, not caring fi they would actually understand what has been changed. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>I read a LOT more than I post here, but I can't pass this up.  From where I sit, someone always gets 'their panties in a twist' no matter the subject of the post! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bawang]

<cite>tsites wrote:</cite><blockquote>I read a LOT more than I post here, but I can't pass this up.  From where I sit, someone always gets 'their panties in a twist' no matter the subject of the post! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> What I find amusing is how the Fanbois always come out like a crack team of defense lawyers for SOE.  As if SOE needed them.  Let SOE defend itself.  Knee jerk defense of SOE for every whine on these boards only makes you look like a fool.

[Freddy101]

More is better then less. Unless you do things the lazy man way. I give an A when I see effort. When I see none I give significantly less. I bet people that rifle off excuses for anothers disinterested behalf probably walks around with a pocket full of them for themselves as well. I never provide excuses nor do I respect people who do. Onward and Upward.

[Payneal The Great]

Well since my internet is extremely slow i got a chance to see some of the file names. Its clear to me this patch has to do with the upcoming update containing Neriak. Normaly when a big update is coming they like to trickle in some files before hand so thousands of people arent all flooding the update servers trying to download a huge patch when update time comes. When the update is out, pick 6 random lines from the notes and thats todays patch.., there you happy?

[DngrMou]

<cite>Bawang wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>tsites wrote:</cite><blockquote>I read a LOT more than I post here, but I can't pass this up.  From where I sit, someone always gets 'their panties in a twist' no matter the subject of the post! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> What I find amusing is how the Fanbois always come out like a crack team of defense lawyers for SOE.  As if SOE needed them.  Let SOE defend itself.  Knee jerk defense of SOE for every whine on these boards only makes you look like a fool.</blockquote> Uh huh....so people who don't immediately agree that the lack of patch notes for 4/30 is not the EARTH SHATTERING event some seem to think it is, is a 'fanboi'.  Knee jerk reactionism goes both ways....from pointless whining about patch notes, to complaints about a free expansion.  Some people will never be satisfied...yet they line up to pay SOE each and every month like everyone else, (though I assume they're only paying for the privelege of hating SOE, and making darn sure everyone who reads the forums knows that).

[Themaginator]

<cite>Bawang wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>tsites wrote:</cite><blockquote>I read a LOT more than I post here, but I can't pass this up.  From where I sit, someone always gets 'their panties in a twist' no matter the subject of the post! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> What I find amusing is how the Fanbois always come out like a crack team of defense lawyers for SOE.  As if SOE needed them.  Let SOE defend itself.  Knee jerk defense of SOE for every whine on these boards only makes you look like a fool.</blockquote> Quit if you dont like the game then eh? its like this huge [I cannot control my vocabulary] fad to complain about stuff its so old, give it a rest.  everyone that doesnt agree with you elitist freaks is automatically a ZOMG FANBOI.  get over yourselves your not making an impact on anything with your angry forum posts.  SOE doesnt reply to you because your rude and crude, when one acts like a civil human being they are far more likely to get a reply from someone, and sometimes they dont reply, that doesnt mean they arent looking.  What i hate is how you people treat SOE employees like sub-humans, they're people to, and people dont like it when your rude to them.  Just because you are anonymous over the freaking internet doesnt give you the right to be an outright [Removed for Content].  This applies to almost everyone on thse forums. Nothing makes them happy NOTHING. EVERQUEST 2 IS A VIDEO GAME.  When i dont like a bloody Video Game I DONT PLAY IT.  its simple, i dont go on their forums and complain that i hate something or that the game developers are stupid.  i just dont play the game, its as simple as that.  What is the point in getting angry over something that is meant to relax you and have fun?  Its gone way to far, i see why other companies dont use forums, because so many of the things on them are not constructive at all.  Its just a bunch of people whining that actually know nothing about how the game works, what the devs are working on, what they have planned, OR ANYTHING.  So i ask you why do you play if you complain so much?