duel wield vs shield pvp

[dremtak]

i know this topic at some point has been touched on in the past , but im a noob to the scout class in general and would like to start this anew to get current views. for use in <b><u>pvp</u></b> is a shield preferred over duel weps or vise versa? also when <u><b>pvping</b></u> are you in offensive or defensive stance? im not a parser-cruncher type of guy so heres the next best place to ask......thanks for info in advance<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[LoreLady]

Or you can be a newb like me and use the 1h claymore, and the symbol of the magi.. 10% to ward 350 dmg comes in nice in duels/pvp/solo

[dremtak]

haha, yeah im still a younging as well at level 42 so claymore not in my thoughts atm lol<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[pseudocide]

<p>at your lvl i'd say use 1h and shield</p><p> put your offensive and defensive stances on a hotbar so you can switch them, you dont want to be using 1 all the time, they are for use in different situations.</p>

[Tarquin1]

There's no wrong answer on that question. Until today, I was dual-wield, and its awesome if you went down Int line. The stamina line is real good if you want more of a "defensive" ranger (ie, more parries, deflection, and HP). I will probably mess around with the defensive line a bit and see how I like it. Hope it helps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Elephanton]

<p>In PVP I use 1h+shield against melee classes, dualweild against casters and healers. Really easy to re-equip with just one button (using macros).</p><p>In PVE I use 1h+shield only</p>

[dremtak]

<cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In PVP I use 1h+shield against melee classes, dualweild against casters and healers. Really easy to re-equip with just one button (using macros).</p><p>In PVE I use 1h+shield only</p></blockquote>so basically cruise around with 1h/ shield and switch to duel weps for casters? can you type out the macro for me?........im an ape when it comes to macros

[Microbolt]

<p>I prefer a shield over duel wield in PvP.  Our DPS is aweful at melee compared to our ranged ability.  Because of this, duel wield weapons arn't as important because if played right you can be at ranged 85% of the time durning a fight (between roots, stuns, and snares.)  And like the previous posters said stances are highly situational.  At ranged I'm always in offensive.  If i have to melee sometimes I cancel the offensive stance (no stance).  And occasionally I'll goto defensive If I'm taking alot of hits.</p>

[Elephanton]

<cite>dremtak wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>In PVP I use 1h+shield against melee classes, dualweild against casters and healers. Really easy to re-equip with just one button (using macros).</p><p>In PVE I use 1h+shield only</p></blockquote>so basically cruise around with 1h/ shield and switch to duel weps for casters? can you type out the macro for me?........im an ape when it comes to macros </blockquote><p>You got it, this is how I play. I like to hunt challenging targets (yellow/orange/red), and these guys in most cases still have some HP after I unloaded all my ranged skills. So most of the time I have to go into melee to finish them. And in melee, good autoattack damage means a lot for a us rangers with weak melee CAs. So whenever you don't need extra melee protection (against mages and healers), you should swich to dual-wield - to kill mages faster, and to make healers burn their power. With our self-haste, autoattack can do very decent damage.</p><p>Check out the new macro system, basically now you don't need any special knowledge to create a macro that would equip stuff.</p><p>Note though, that in order to equip dual-wield weapons, you MUST enquip your shield first, otherwise second dual-wield will just replace the first one that you have added. Use /unequip secondary command to enquip shield, then equip your dual-weilds with standard macro commands. </p>

[Torrin]

did some number crunching out of boredom last night.. comparing a prime raid setup vs a prime pvp setup. by pvp setup i'm talking all items had some sort of PvP bonus effect; root proc, stun proc, stifle proc, dps proc, etc.. raid setup all the items had dps-enhancement procs; dps procs, haste natural, ca damage procs, damage enhancers. what i came out with is best for pvp is 1h/shield, for raid (pve) is dw with weapons that proc off ranged attacks.  stat-wise the differences are almost nil; pvp setup has more agility, same str, less int, more wisdom compared to the raid setup.  keep in mind these are all theoretical numbers and situations, not factoring in true attributes such as target's damage capabilities, resistances etc. also have noticed it increasingly more difficult to keep range in PvP fights when solo. if you don't get the gank, it can get ugly quickly.  snares only do so much, the root is too short and our 2 stuns are even shorter.  This is where all the extra avoidance you can get helps.. nice round shield with a block adorn would own coupled with D.stance and the Str-line's +parry.  above are just my speculations and opinions, but hope they help somewhat <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> a side note; still itching to test Hook Shot + 8/8 Bladed Opening <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> mmm guaranteed Crit on next melee attack + a melee attack that does extra damage to anyone >79% health.. be like a 2k hit off the start almost heh.. hook, bladed, pbs, vines, sprint w/ ranged on, unload cas, clean up the mess left.. sounds tasty

[pseudocide]

<cite>Torrin wrote:</cite><blockquote>did some number crunching out of boredom last night.. comparing a prime raid setup vs a prime pvp setup. by pvp setup i'm talking all items had some sort of PvP bonus effect; root proc, stun proc, stifle proc, dps proc, etc.. raid setup all the items had dps-enhancement procs; dps procs, haste natural, ca damage procs, damage enhancers. what i came out with is best for pvp is 1h/shield, for raid (pve) is dw with weapons that proc off ranged attacks.  <span style="color: #cc0066">where do you get dual wielders that proc off range?? ive only heard of 1h claymore </span> stat-wise the differences are almost nil; pvp setup has more agility, same str, less int, more wisdom compared to the raid setup.  keep in mind these are all theoretical numbers and situations, not factoring in true attributes such as target's damage capabilities, resistances etc. also have noticed it increasingly more difficult to keep range in PvP fights when solo. if you don't get the gank, it can get ugly quickly.  snares only do so much, the root is too short and our 2 stuns are even shorter.  This is where all the extra avoidance you can get helps.. nice round shield with a block adorn would own coupled with D.stance and the Str-line's +parry.  above are just my speculations and opinions, but hope they help somewhat <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> a side note; still itching to test Hook Shot + 8/8 Bladed Opening <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> mmm guaranteed Crit on next melee attack + a melee attack that does extra damage to anyone >79% health.. be like a 2k hit off the start almost heh.. hook, bladed, pbs, vines, sprint w/ ranged on, unload cas, clean up the mess left.. sounds tasty </blockquote>

[TerriBlades]

The Ice Forged Sai procs off ranged. If you can do without the stats. T5 contested? I donno, never had one.

[gfx]

No offense, but any ranger that uses Dual Wields in PvP are clueless. Why would you have 2 x Dual Wields when Rangers needs to avoid melee as much as possible ? It's much better (FACT) to have a shield for the extra avoidance. Sure, use dual wields on raids or something, but in PvP, 1h + shield is the way to go.

[Elephanton]

not when you fight mages and healers <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[gfx]

fight mages or healers... you should never go in and auto melee attack anyways lol .. Kite healers as much as possible, while using mental breach. You really don't need dual wields.

[Thorn4]

As for dual wield or shield, I don't think you can agrue with a shield - especially T5-T7 where some really great shields become available (Uktrl's Round Shield/Ferox's Stony Wing). Here's a short list of gear (most should proc of ranged) which can really make life easier while PvPing: Tunic Of Shadowed Songs - Great to watch a class kill themselves by hitting you 628 Rapier/Whip of Domination - Cannot beat the proc on 628/Root for WoD Uktrl's Round Shield Of Striking/Ferox's Stony Wing - Lowers strength + dmg proc/ Ferox's for Stun Bow Of Searing Missles/Raincaller - Obscene Range and nice proc, switch to Raincaller if they close in to get some extra range Torn Ligament Bow - Detarget Serilisian gloves - Stifle Manacles of Dark Sky - Stifle Boots of the Malefic Creator - Stun Belt of the Sinister Creation - Stifle

[Logan]

1hs and a shield is a little better but it just has no style and it makes me feel sullied and unusual. I go DW all the time and do well enough Id never think about using a shield.

[gfx]

Remember, PvP and PvE is much different.